<wpwrak>
note how the tropical belt swings north over asia
<wpwrak>
(similar to middle america. also very humid there.)
<DocScrutinizer05>
hmm yeah
<DocScrutinizer05>
I found it pleasant
<DocScrutinizer05>
particularly when you have a decent AC
<DocScrutinizer05>
Raster always closed the door and cranked up the AC to get the humidity out of the air
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<jonwil>
humid climates suck if you cant afford to live somewhere that has air-conditioning and cant afford air-conditioning for wherever you live
<jonwil>
like me, I am living in an apartment with no air conditioning and the humidity is at 60% right now
<jonwil>
or rather the humidity at the nearest weather station at the last time they took a reading
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<wpwrak>
australia ... yes, then that can get unpleasant :) 60% isn't really that much, though
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, 60% are easy for up to 30°C
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe only for slim people
<DocScrutinizer05>
extremely slim people like myself
<DocScrutinizer05>
my metabolism seems happy about each calorie that it doesn't need to burn to keep the 36°C
<DocScrutinizer05>
shower temperatures of <30°C give me goose pimples ;-)
<jonwil>
as of Saturday 11am, google says the weather at my local weather station is 62% humidity and 31 celcuis. My apartment is likely worse than that (its made of bricks that seem to trap a lot of heat)
<DocScrutinizer05>
~weather eddn
<infobot>
Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2014.11.22 0120 UTC; Dew Point: 33 F (1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Temperature: 33 F (1 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Shallow fog; Wind: from the E (100 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: 28 F (-2 C)
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's nasty weather
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<jonwil>
Anyone who hasn't experienced what its like at 39 celcius AND humidity levels of 50% or more doesn't know what "nasty weather" is
<DocScrutinizer05>
ok, my private weather station says 3.50°C 84%
<wpwrak>
jonwil: 59% @ 39 C is for sissies ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh I had that, in Taipei ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's just inside my comfort zone still
<jonwil>
I spent most of my life in Perth where temps could reach 45 celcius or more but the humidity was never very high
<jonwil>
So comming to Queensland where it gets to humidity levels of 70% or more at times is a bit of a shock
<wpwrak>
hmm. i have a recorded 19.8 C, 96% humidity in june. last june, i think. nothing too special, though, even for winter
<jonwil>
especially when, as I said, my apartment seems to trap a LOT of heat in the walls and roof and a lot of humidity in the inside air.
<wpwrak>
last december: 37 C at 70% that's more like it
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, a somewhat confortable climate in flat is essential
<dos1>
if someone's still not aware about OHSW2014: check http://neo900.org/ :)
<jonwil>
Days when its that hot and humid often tempt me to head out to somewhere with air-conditioning (e.g. shopping center) or (if its possible) go visit my family and use their pool :)
<nox->
dos1, make sure not to play music on those streams or yt will flag them "not available in your country" here :(
<jonwil>
but going out to the shops usually means I end up spending money on junk
<wpwrak>
jonwil: i have nice concrete walls. but there's the terrace right above my office.
<dos1>
nox-: no music planned, unless I'll bring my ukulele with me ;)
<DocScrutinizer05>
dos1: please remove "The transfer of donations from Golden Delicious is progressing."
<nox->
hehe
<wpwrak>
whoa ! that's not only a zombie, that's a dinosaur zombie ! :)
<dos1>
ok, dinosaur zombie removed
<jonwil>
like yesterday when I went out shopping for some stuff I needed to buy and spent money on deep fried Fish & Chips for lunch then later in the day some sort of unhealthy snack (cant remember exactly)
<jonwil>
not to mention the 1200mls or so of cola I drunk
<jonwil>
oh wait, no, I didn't finish the second bottle :)
<jonwil>
I eat too much junk :P
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't, that's also a big problem ;-)
<jonwil>
At least I eat less junk now than I used to
<jonwil>
Back when I was living in Perth the water in my apartment tasted foul so I drank Coca-Cola and Apple Juice (the kind with all that added sugar) as my primary drinks.
<jonwil>
Now I drink water and sometimes milk as my main drinks
<jonwil>
much healthier
<DocScrutinizer05>
SCNR "Kunst is Kraft zu schoepfen aus Wuerstchen mit Phosphat" >Duke Meier, German songwriter and artist>
<DocScrutinizer05>
last week (not this) I lived 7 days from coffee latte and nothing else
<DocScrutinizer05>
also no healthy habit
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<DocScrutinizer05>
9999
<Wizzup>
indeed that is not healthy
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<DocScrutinizer05>
EEEK
<nox->
kiddies dos.ing freenode again?
<nox->
bbl
<DocScrutinizer05>
usual weekend netsplit, yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
the weird thing: DocScrutinizer51 still sees all users on this channel
<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh, meanwhile the server noticed the slit too
<DocScrutinizer05>
around nn:05, while here it been nn:01
<DocScrutinizer05>
split*
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<DocScrutinizer05>
~wb
<infobot>
thx
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<DocScrutinizer05>
aaaww
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<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: wb
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<wpwrak>
mega-netsplit. weekend -> the ops get to play ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
skiddies
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<DocScrutinizer05>
nokiabot shot the 9999
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<Oksana>
Sorry, I was asleep, much of the time. And not in front of the other screen, the other half of the time. Raising about 15000 EUR in donations? Hell, I am not sure it can be done within one week. But I firmly support the goal of 1000 devices, so... I would even advertise you on Twitter, if I knew how. :) Ukulele...
<Wizzup>
Oksana: It depends I guess, as initial donation I paid about 100 or 150 (unsure, would have to check my bank), but I'd happily pay more upfront / donate
<Oksana>
:-) Thank you! I have already paid about 700 EUR upfront for each of my pre-orders, so I can hardly take any more part in "pay more" action. Not this week, at least.
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<fingertips>
I remember playing chess with Dr Sikov
<fingertips>
Much more interesing with mesh
<fingertips>
let me lok upon you with my own eyes
<fingertips>
Adam
<fingertips>
the pain
<fingertips>
quakenet code
<fingertips>
haskell'
<fingertips>
ux bridge
<fingertips>
differential cyphers
<fingertips>
begger boy
<fingertips>
this is it tort law
<useretail>
fingertips: wtf?
<fingertips>
something broke the nettwork
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<DocScrutinizer05>
fingertips: you'e in wrong channel
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<ravelo>
trying to chat with n900
<DocScrutinizer05>
works :-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
WOW! >>CTCP-VERSION reply from ravelo: qwebirc v0.91, copyright (C) 2008-2011 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.3pre) Gecko/20100723 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900.<< even in webbrowser :-D
<ravelo>
yep :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
microB or FF?
<ravelo>
please explain further...
<ravelo>
oh got it
<DocScrutinizer05>
FireFox is not the default browser
<ravelo>
inbuilt default browser
<ravelo>
no ff
<DocScrutinizer05>
aha! :-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
funny it identifies as Gecko/20100723 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8
<ravelo>
i'm just getting used to working with n900
<ravelo>
hmm let me check
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's kinda steep learning curve but very rewarding after just one day already
<ravelo>
i think there is no ff installed
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<DocScrutinizer05>
if you did a clean reflash and not installed FF then there's none, yes
<ravelo>
most important for me was to learn to use touchscreen with my nails. it's very responsive
<ravelo>
now
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
the touchscreen is awesome
<DocScrutinizer05>
not though for users used to capacitive screens
<ravelo>
yep first it was horrible
<DocScrutinizer05>
once you got used to it, you never again will want a c-ts
<ravelo>
is there a patch for dual touch available already?
<ravelo>
for n900?
<DocScrutinizer05>
N900 cannot do true dualtouch/multitouch
<ravelo>
i know
<bencoh>
it's not a software "patch"
<DocScrutinizer05>
there's "rotary dial" gesture in microB to zoom
<ravelo>
i will try to learn default installation first and tweak later
<ravelo>
thanks
<DocScrutinizer05>
this pretty much is default installation :-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
but sure, you can take a few days to simply get familiar with stock maemo
<DocScrutinizer05>
however keep in mind that excessive customizations you do during this period might get lost when you decide to start anew with a clean reflash and proper CSSU et al in a few days
<DocScrutinizer05>
you want to insatll rootsh anyway, no matter what ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
otherwise you have no root access to system
<bencoh>
hmm yeah better read this page before customizing
<bencoh>
at least the "increase size" :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
and probably when you're "hardcore hacker" you want to install openssh as well, so you can do all those awesome things like "ssh root@<ip-of-N900> in shell of your PC, and enter "sftp:root@<IP-of-N900> into your Konqueror or other sftp-savvy file browser
<bencoh>
I'd have patched my VANILLA if I knew ;)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd consider the part about cherry also relevant for quite a number of users, before they even touch the N900
<Humpelstilzchen>
.o0(which is very important if you can not find your n900 just ssh to it and play some audio)
<DocScrutinizer05>
hehe
<bencoh>
btw, do you see any reason why USBNETWORK_ENABLE=1 wouldnt work ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
err were wat?
<bencoh>
I still have to ifup usb0 the first time I plug it in after a reboot
<DocScrutinizer05>
umm I hardly ever do USB networking
<bencoh>
which is kind of annoying if you break hildon-desktop for instance ;)
<DocScrutinizer05>
too cumbersome, compared to ssh and sftp via WLAN
<bencoh>
ssh with low powermode wlan can be quite a pain
<DocScrutinizer05>
when your AP doesn't support the power savings mode of N900 WLAN then yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
I know however that either PSM or TX-level setting of WLAN config is per-AP, prolly the former, so you could set PSM=none when you're connected to your home AP where your device usually is charging or at least not far from a charger
<DocScrutinizer05>
I generally have no issues here with WLAN, ssh, with my wrt54g WLAN AP
<DocScrutinizer05>
I had before with a number of other APs though
<Humpelstilzchen>
I had problems with my fritzbox
<DocScrutinizer05>
o.O
* DocScrutinizer05
checks his WLAN settings for home
<DocScrutinizer05>
PSM=max
<DocScrutinizer05>
no issues
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, very rarely a 0.5 or even 1 sec delay until the device wakes up after long period of not using ssh
<DocScrutinizer05>
I seem to recall I also used N900 to connect to fritzbox and had not noticed any particular problems (except microB not rendering the login page at all, on a recent box)
<DocScrutinizer05>
(the latter however might be due to a weird config of that particular FB)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I can't play any yt videos anymore in microB which sucks - thank you yt for switching to html5
<Humpelstilzchen>
hmm html5 should be an improvement since flash on arm is...fragile at best
<DocScrutinizer05>
had to search for *.mp3 to play a few songs in my fab pub two days ago
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: use cutetube ;)
<DocScrutinizer05>
aaah, k
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: please 'fix' speedyHAM dependencies! I recently had to uninstall it to fix apt-get, and now I can't stand it any more how *incredibly* slow the default HAM works
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't mind if you hexedit the .deb or whatever it needs to allow installation without creating conflicts in apt db
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-D
<Humpelstilzchen>
.o0(dpkg extract and copy)
<DocScrutinizer05>
yup, sure
<bencoh>
DocScrutinizer05: :D
<DocScrutinizer05>
speedyHAM is 30 times as fast as default HAM, no kidding
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe even 50 times
<DocScrutinizer05>
or would the term "1/50 as slow as HAM" be more correct? ;-)
<Pali>
this will work *iff* blessN900 is dbus service application
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
dunno
<Pali>
otherwise you will get MALF
<bencoh>
MALF ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually you will want to replace the symlink to maemo-invoker by a symlink to bless, since I doubt bless is a invoker-optimized bin
<DocScrutinizer05>
no MALF on fremantle ;-)
<Pali>
you will get MALF if bootreason is swrest too often
<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh, right
<Pali>
and if you replace that symlink AND application is not dbus server, hildon desktop will start restarting that application
<DocScrutinizer05>
the infamous "Houston, we got a problem..." ?
<Pali>
and after some counter... you will get reboot
<Pali>
and after some reboots you will get MALF
<Pali>
yes
<Pali>
lifeguard reset
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-P
<Pali>
so do not mess with default preinstalled apps which are started automatically
<DocScrutinizer05>
useretail: ask Pali, he knows his sh*
<Pali>
(unless you know how to...)
<useretail>
Pali: cl-launcher is too complicated, i like simplicity, so i choose flashlight-extra-gtk, but it's not configurable, so probably i'll have to recompile it with a little bit of changing the source
<DocScrutinizer05>
useretail: basically whatever "daemon" (probably hildon desktop) sends a dbus msg that starts a dbus service. The dbus msg requests service "com.nokia.cameraui /com/nokia/cameraui com.nokia.cameraui.top_application". Maemo on boot time or when something notices a change in any of the .desktop files (or when a update-desktop-icons tool or whateverthename is called) will inspect all *.desktop to find lines like (iirc) X-Osso-Service and
<DocScrutinizer05>
creates the dbus servies from that. So the correct way would be to comment out that X-Osso-Service line in camera-ui.desktop and add it to blessN900.desktop
<bencoh>
iirc cl-launcher does something in your back to work around camera-ui limitations
<bencoh>
(camera-ui2 was patched to allow this, but there is a kludge for camera-ui)
<bencoh>
(s/patched/written/)
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, in CSSU-T camera-ui2 simply replaces the camera-ui.launch binary
<bencoh>
yeah
* useretail
thinks: was it necessary to make it that complicated?
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, it's the way stuff gets handled in maemo. All stuff, so yeah, it probably was necessary
<DocScrutinizer05>
there are a few side effects of this which are why it's designed like this: several services are preloaded during boot, so the dbus msg doesn't need to start up and initialize the process but simply tells the process to unhide
<DocScrutinizer05>
multiple invokations to same service don't result in multiple invocations
<DocScrutinizer05>
tzz
<DocScrutinizer05>
multiple invokations to same service don't result in multiple processes started
<bencoh>
do we have a wrapper/launcher for non-aware applications (mupdf for instance) ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
the *.launch thing is a memory saver feature also used e.g. in KDE
<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: for dbus msg invokation?
<bencoh>
yeah ... to change default pdf viewer for instance
<DocScrutinizer05>
hmm, maybe sth along xterm invokation?
<DocScrutinizer05>
see midnight commander
<DocScrutinizer05>
not all that sure about it
<DocScrutinizer05>
but I'm pretty sure xterm gets invoked via dbus msg
<bencoh>
hmm
<DocScrutinizer05>
you cannot start two of them, rather you get a new window in the already running xterm
<DocScrutinizer05>
and them xterm/shell can start stuff like mc
<bencoh>
launching osso-xterm to launch a graphical app ....
<bencoh>
well
<bencoh>
at least it would work I guess
<DocScrutinizer05>
the proper way would be to turn "the graphocal app2 into a proper maemo app
<bencoh>
and have it run all the time ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
but yeah, probably we could use a wrapper app that simply does the dbus magic and whatnot is needed, then does a system(argv[1]) or whatever
<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: maemo apps don't run all the time
<bencoh>
then who catches the dbus call ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's dbus which starts them, unless there's 2 lines like >>#X-Maemo-Prestarted=always << >>#X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000<< in the *.desktop
<DocScrutinizer05>
dbus comes with this function built in already. IIRC it's called sth like "proxy"
<bencoh>
hmm
<bencoh>
so why do we need anything in the app ?
<bencoh>
if it launches it anyway ?
<bencoh>
just to get the args ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
because dbus not only starts the app but also waits for the app to show up on dbus
<bencoh>
otherwise it kills it ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
and dbus notices when the app vanishes from dbus
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, I seem to recall an app closes after 30 s when it gets started by dbus but doesn't properly register as dbus-service
<DocScrutinizer05>
this all gets handled by some maemo #include, in c
<DocScrutinizer05>
you don't need a single dbus function call in your app
<DocScrutinizer05>
all disclaimer "AFAIK"
<DocScrutinizer05>
basically it's exactly what systemd now requires from all apps ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
aiui
<bencoh>
eurk :)
<bencoh>
I guess I could add this in mupdf if it's just a #include, but .... that sounds ugly
<DocScrutinizer05>
in FSO we actually got a very similar wrapper, though for allocating resources, like backlight or CPU (to keep backlight on, or stop CPU from suspending)
<DocScrutinizer05>
the basics of that wrapper were the same: register with dbus, (send a dbus msg to tell about resources to allocate), start arbitrary app/binary (execve() iirc). Dbus is smart enough to notice when the process terminates
<DocScrutinizer05>
iirc that wrapper been names fsoraw (fso resource allocation wrapper)