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<vms14> I've stolen the style of perl CGI.pm
<vms14> tags are really functions
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<vms14> so I've made a macro to create the same functions perl cgi has
<vms14> (generator div)
<vms14> (generator p)
<vms14> (div (p "oh...") '(id maindiv))
<vms14> I guess I'll another macro for autoclosing tags
<vms14> I'll need*
<vms14> oh, I like it
<vms14> what problems will have doing this?
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<vms14> It seems it will just work
<vms14> (format t (div (div (p "oh...") '(id thediv) '(oh mycat)) '(meh "MEH")))
<vms14> <div meh="MEH"><div id="thediv" oh="mycat"><p>oh...</p></div></div>
<Xach> vms14: there's a project already that defines all tags in a package nanmed "<" and it is funny to read
<vms14> Xach this way you can define your own "new" tags
<Xach> (<:head (<:title "Foo") ... (<:body (<:h1 "Hello) ...)))))
<Xach> maybe it's even <:head>, I don't remember.
<Xach> the audacity of the package name will be with me forever, though
<fiddlerwoaroof_> xhtmlambda?
<fiddlerwoaroof_> Anyways, I just discovered that the #p macro has a high chance of ruining your day.
<fiddlerwoaroof_> I built a little GUI app in Lispworks for some AWS stuff and when I shared it with my coworkers, it didn’t work for them. This lead me to discover that it’s evaluated to a pathname object at read tome
<fiddlerwoaroof_> So that ~ is expanded to the home directory on the build machine and not the end-user’s home directory.
<Xach> fiddlerwoaroof_: that depends on the implementation
<Xach> ~ is not standard - user-homedir-pathname is the standard thing
<Xach> fiddlerwoaroof_: but that's an interesting failure mode!
<fiddlerwoaroof_> Yeah.
<Xach> fiddlerwoaroof_: i had that problem with logical pathnames and #p"..." vs "..."
<Xach> and whether the logical host was defined in time
<fiddlerwoaroof_> I spent several hours debugging this.
<Xach> ouch
<Xach> fiddlerwoaroof_: does it defer the attempt to home-ize it if you use a string to designate the pathname instead?
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<fiddlerwoaroof_> I didn’t try that, I just switched to merge-pathnames and user-homedir-pathname.
<fiddlerwoaroof_> Anyways, if you use fukamachi’s aws library, my fork will have a fix for this in a couple minutes :)
<vms14> now Idk how to make a loop and use this macro
<vms14> xD
<Josh_2> (loop :do (macro .. ) ) xD
<vms14> the problem is I try to (dolist (tag '(p main section article)) (generator tag))
<vms14> but tag isn't evaluated
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<no-defun-allowed> You would have to dolist at compile or read-time.
<aeth> vms14: I mean, sure, that looks like it works, but I personally would rather have a series of write-foos than "<~a~~{~~{~~^ ~~a=\"~~a\"~~}~~}>~~a</~a>"
<no-defun-allowed> Something like (macrolet ((generator-list (&rest list) (cons 'progn (loop for name in list collect (list 'generator name))))) (generator-list p main section article))
<aeth> vms14: Also keep in mind that when you're generating format strings you basically commit to writing a macro since it's much more efficient for FORMAT to know what its format strings are ahead of time because FORMAT can be very optimized
<vms14> aeth: the only complaint I have with this format is I know there is no need to repeat arg arg
<vms14> how was to make format use the last argument?
<vms14> ty no-defun-allowed
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<vms14> ~:*
<vms14> oh
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<vms14> ty no-defun-allowed, now seems to work
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<vms14> oh I didn't realize I cannot have two childs
<vms14> (ul (concatenate 'string (li "oh") (li "meh")))
<vms14> I could create a shortcut for concatenate 'string
<vms14> xD
<Josh_2> wouldn't it be better to just be able to go (ul (li "ree") (li "ree")) and have it all join up nice?
<vms14> Josh_2: yes
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<vms14> (defmacro & (&body body) `(concatenate 'string ,@body))
<vms14> (ul (& (li "oh") (li "meh")))
* vms14 cries
<Josh_2> xD
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<Josh_2> I think I did it
<Josh_2> no I didn't haha vms14
<vms14> well I should do something like a typecase
<Josh_2> but doesn't pass arbitrary :keywords and jam them into the tag args
<vms14> I'll think on the syntax I want
<vms14> I guess it will something like (a "text" :href "somelink")
<vms14> so just look if it's a keyword
<vms14> if keyword, then eat the next "value" and put ~a=\"~a\" keyword value
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<vms14> I have something very rudimentary
<vms14> the last function
<vms14> oh it's buggy
<vms14> xD
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<vms14> now seems to work
<vms14> just added a when (car args) to the whole labeled function
<vms14> (defun make-text-buffer () (make-array 0 :adjustable t :fill-pointer t :element-type 'character))
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<vms14> i don't like this implementation
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<vms14> but meh, it works
<vms14> xD
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<vms14> I need to change the autoclose tag macros
<vms14> and I'd like to redo this generator macro
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<vms14> I like the syntax a lot, not the implementation, but I could improve it some day
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<MichaelRaskin> Good morning
<beach> Hello MichaelRaskin.
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<beach> I was thinking, now that we have a portable reader (Eclector) would it be possible (and worthwhile) to also have a portable printer?
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<MichaelRaskin> I guess most of the print-object methods defined use the standard printer for the objects' components. So consistency (or coverage) might be rather hard to achieve
<MichaelRaskin> Although I don't know if there are any inconsistencies in the standard printer across implementations
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<beach> Why does the fact that the "standard printer" is used make it hard to achieve consistency?
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<MichaelRaskin> OK, what should be achieved compared to the standart print-object generic function?
<beach> Nothing. Just the possibility of a common library rather than a separate one for each Common Lisp implementation.
<beach> I am always trying to cut down on the combined maintenance burden for free Common Lisp implementations.
<beach> These things come up when I need some module for SICL that does not seem very implementation specific to me, but I also don't see an existing library.
<beach> So, why does the fact that the "standard printer" is used make it hard to achieve consistency?
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<MichaelRaskin> No, with such a motivation it doesn't create any problems
<beach> Oh, OK.
<MichaelRaskin> I thought that the goals include implementation-independent output consistency when used as a user-level library
<MichaelRaskin> My bad, sorry
<beach> OK. No, on the contrary, such a module should make it possible for each implementation to customize the output.
<beach> My fear is the opposite, i.e. that there would be no common code then.
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<MichaelRaskin> I would also fear that efficient printing of floating-point numbers would end up target-platform-dependent
<beach> Oh?
<beach> I was thinking of incorporating the latest research on that topic into such a library.
<beach> In fact, ck_ has been working on an implementation of that research.
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<MichaelRaskin> Ah, there is integer-decode-float
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<MichaelRaskin> I guess float-radix is always two outside a few museums
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<stylewarning> Hello lisp friends
<beach> Hey stylewarning.
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<no-defun-allowed> Hello stylewarning
<stylewarning> What’s going on in the Lisp universe
<stylewarning> Trick question, the Lisp universe is our universe.
<beach> stylewarning: I was able to program the new version of Clouseau to inspect SICL bootstrapping objects in a readable way.
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<Shinmera> I'm slowly making progress on my UI toolkit.
<stylewarning> beach: what happened to music notation or whatever it was precisely that was of interest to you
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<beach> stylewarning: There has been progress with standardization. Version 2 of Gsharp (called Clovetree) is going to use this standard and a free music font.
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<beach> stylewarning: jackdaniel is working on the GUI for Clovetree, and I have vague plans for the model.
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<beach> stylewarning: But I am working 100% on SICL right now.
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<Shinmera> In minor news, the mmap library now no longer requires osicat.
<stylewarning> Shinmera: great!
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<selwyn> a lisp game jam is underway
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<asdf_asdf_asdf> Hi. Is fashion to iterate pair of array?
<no-defun-allowed> (loop for value1 across array1 for value2 across array2 ...)
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<asdf_asdf_asdf> I want (loop for (a b) in (list (list 1 2) (list 3 4) (list 5 6))).
<no-defun-allowed> That's not an array.
<no-defun-allowed> Unless you know something I don't, and you have a sequence that is simultaneously a list and an array, those aren't reconcilable.
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<asdf_asdf_asdf> no-defun-allowed, thanks. So how iterate for #2A array?
<asdf_asdf_asdf> (loop for x across #2A((1 2) (3 4)) do (princ x))
<asdf_asdf_asdf> Not working.
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<flip214> minion: memo for asdf_asdf_asdf: Look at ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE and ROW-MAJOR-AREF
<minion> Remembered. I'll tell asdf_asdf_asdf when he/she/it next speaks.
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<buffergn0me> minion: they is a polite pronoun
<minion> i agree - they is a polite pronoun
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<mfiano> Bv
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