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<skidd0> Has anyone here used Postmodern to create postgres databases and users? I would like to take care of that with code so my end-user doesn't have to.
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<skidd0> actually, does anyone know of a way to include postgres with a dumped core using SBCL?
<skidd0> or is that something i'm going to have to instruct end-users to install and setup
<jeosol> I am not sure you can pack postgres into SBCL core
<skidd0> that's my thought, too
<jeosol> but the core can contain all the postgres, postmodern or whatever ORM you are using to interact with the DB etc
<skidd0> then using that core depends on having postgres on whatever machine
<jeosol> that is, everything on the postgres interaction (functions) can be in the core
<jeosol> yes, that is true.
<skidd0> because the core communicates with postgres over some protocol
<JuanDaugherty> there's surely multiple cl pg pkgs
<skidd0> that the installed postgrescommunicates with
<JuanDaugherty> ok sorry, responding inappropriately across generations (again); my bad
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<skidd0> ?
<jeosol> skidd0: is the app a desktop type that requires postgres?
<skidd0> yes
<jeosol> I suspected.
<skidd0> because the app can't itself contain all of postgres
<jeosol> linux and windows?
<skidd0> does postgres support windows?
<jeosol> I think postgres will be big to add in your app.
<skidd0> i'm now wondering if theres an easy way to test whether postgres is installed or not
<skidd0> and exit with a warning informing of the dependancy
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<skidd0> okay so back to the original question. Has anyone (using postmodern or not) been able to use lisp to create a postgres user and database?
<skidd0> and not need to manually set it up
<jeosol> I am sure there is a way. most guys aren't here now. I have used mostly clsql to do that, but I remember the info for doing that with postmodern wasn't very clear
<jeosol> I have mostly followed info sabra's website
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<skidd0> is that sabrac ?
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<jeosol> I am not sabra. I am just saying he has a lot of info on postmodern on his site, and he is probably also maintain the repo now. I am subscribed to the repo feed.
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<sabrac> skiddo: Hi
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<PuercoPop> sabrac: Hi, I was wondering if you still intend to publish a Roadmap for postmodern
<sabrac> PuercoPop: Yes, working on it now
<PuercoPop> sabrac: awesome!
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<sabrac> Is there anything you would like to see in the roadmap?
<sabrac> I have to say that skiddo's request for a postgresql installer in lisp probably will not be on the roadmap
<sabrac> skiddo: Is your app for windows, OSX, linux or what?
<PuercoPop> sabrac: Not particularly. One thing that I've been trying to tackle is #70 but the DAO code seems mostly needlessly complex, but then again synthesizing new methods with the MOP is not something straightforward in my experience. One thing that would be good, in theory, would be a way to extend the client authentication mechanisms but that is not something that I need. Mostly want to see how could I chip in.
<sabrac> PuercoPop: One thing that nyef was complaining about some years ago was transaction failures on connections and reconnections. Ever dealt with reconnections in usocket?
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<PuercoPop> can't say I have
<sabrac> I looked at #70, but there was no immediately obvious solution so set it aside for the moment. I am not sure that I really understand #111
<sabrac> PuercoPop: Any interest in working on json and jsonb support?
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<asarch> One stupid question: I could do: '(a b c) or even (quote a b c). Is there something similar (in English words) for `(a b c) (quasiquoting)?
<Bike> "He said to disassemble that car", maybe?
<PuercoPop> sabrac: yeah, I was thinking of porting a PoC wiki from disk to a 'document' store using JSONB.
<Bike> paraphrasing
<sabrac> PuercoPop: ok. Give the jsonb support some thought. I will try to get the draft roadmap out in the next 48 hours along with a bunch of s-sql stuff that got triggered in the process of fixing #68
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<PuercoPop> sabrac: will do! I'm off to sleep now.
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<LdBeth[m]> asarch: (quote a b c) isn’t a thing
<asarch> D'oh! My mistake..
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<LdBeth[m]> And you can’t do (quasiquote (a b ,c)) since phase quasiquote form requires to be at read time
<aeth> If you need to do something like that you should just think about what the quasiquotation is trying to do. In that case, (list 'a 'b c) or one of the other dozen ways to get the same result.
<aeth> Sometimes it winds up being clearer, too
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<zigpaw> morning!
<zigpaw> skidd0 - maybe look how chocolatey does progresql installation, you might use their tool or their scripts - they are windows based, if you need it for linux you can look at gentoo's portage scripts and for mac os x you can look how brew does it. Still not ideal solution but kinda automated one.
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<skidd0> thanks zigpaw
<skidd0> sabrac: the app is for linux for now
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<drduck`> What is used in common lisp as a log/data aggregation tool that is analagous to apache kafka?
<shka1> drduck`: there is nothing
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<drduck`> :(((((((((((((
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<drduck`> I see this but I wondered if there was anything that was a fully featured interface https://github.com/yehohanan7/cl-kafka
<drduck`> I guess syslog is kinda sorta like kafka without the power of querying against the centralized data?
<drduck`> So there's this https://github.com/mmaul/cl-syslog
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<LdBeth> drduck`: it uses POSIX’s system logging facilities
<LdBeth> So it’s actually limited to what can be used to analyze Unix’s system log
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<drduck_2> I'd like to create a web service in common lisp that can be targeted by a web application and mobile application. What would be the appropriate library that would help the most for this?
<drduck_2> I was wondering if caveman would be what I wanted, but it looks like it looks like it is biased towards/built for just web applications.
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<drduck_2> I may be wrong. Seeing html-specific portions made me think so, though.
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<drduck_2> I guess I don't have to use those portions. I will just play with it and see if I can configure it, unless there are any suggestions.
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<drduck_2> New to common lisp and web development, pretty much, so I'm kinda blind here. :P
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<beach> I suggest you talk to Shinmera.
<pjb> drduck_2: I would do the thing myself. Why do you want to rely on dependencies that may or may not match your needs. If you're new you don't even know what you need! Develop it yourself and see what your need is!
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<drduck_2> Well I'd like to get it up and running as quickly as possible. Building it myself would be a humongous time sink, I think.
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<drduck_2> If there's a library, like Flask or something, for common lisp where I can use it as a web service framework and not a web application framework, that would be great.
<drduck_2> Where does one find this Shinmera, beach?
<beach> I think he has his own IRC channel. I forget the name of it though.
<beach> #shirakumo
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<drduck_2> Anyone here ever made a web service in common lisp?
<drduck_2> And used a framework?
<beach> Yes, Shinmera has.
<beach> His channel is named #shirakumo
<drduck_2> I went and asked him.
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<drduck_2> I guess he's sleep.
<beach> It's the weekend. He may be having some social activity.
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<shka1> drduck_2: also caveman
<shka1> and webblcoks
<shka1> and few others
<shka1> there are multiple web frameworks
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<shka1> there is even a web framework for cobol!
<shka1> web frameworks are just not that hard :P
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<drduck_2> Does caveman force you to couple the web service with the browser webapp? I thought from the looks of it, it did. I may be totally wrong, and it's just providing options incase you decide to.
<drduck_2> This is what made me think so:
<drduck_2> the html and css from the project creation generator https://github.com/fukamachi/caveman#generating-a-project-skeleton
<drduck_2> I want to have a web service i can hit from mobile and browser applications and not be restricted to one
<drduck_2> bah i'll just download it and see what happens. i could be talking complete nonsense right now and it be the right oold for the job
<drduck_2> tool*
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<skidd0> when I (ql:quickload :my-package) it "runs" the code in the my-package file proceduraly, right?
<skidd0> I ask because i have a (ubiquitous:restore 'my-config) that doesn't appear to have been "run" after the quickload
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<Bike> it will load the system, not just the file
<Bike> if you mean you put something like that in your asd file, that'll probably be problematic
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<skidd0> no, it's in the .lisp file
<skidd0> right after the (in-package)
<skidd0> the goal was to load some config strings into some *vars*
<skidd0> basically prepping for database connections
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<Bike> "the" lisp file? what's the asd look like?
<esthlos> anyone got ideas on how I can efficiently implement bit rotation on bit vectors?
<esthlos> their max size is 2^7 for the record
<skidd0> Bike: asd file has the system dependancies and components
<skidd0> normal asd file
<Bike> y...yes
<Bike> i mean what's "THE" lisp file
<Bike> usually there are several
<skidd0> the one i'm working on
<skidd0> atm
<skidd0> that is having the issue
<skidd0> of apparantly not loading the ubiquitous config
<Bike> and the lisp file is in the asd?
<random-nick> hello, does quicklisp have the original esrap or the fork?
<skidd0> yeas as a component
<skidd0> i know it's being loaded because it throws errors due to the not working config setup
<_death> random-nick: quicklisp-projects says https://github.com/scymtym/esrap.git
<random-nick> _death: okay, thank you
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<beach> esthlos: are you allowed to wrap the bit vector in something, or does it have to be a "raw" bit vector?
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<esthlos> beach: wrapping would be fine
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<esthlos> as long as it's efficient. rotation on lists is easy enough, but I worry that vector -> list -> vector takes too much time
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<beach> Then you don't need to rotate. Just increment or decrement the index.
<beach> esthlos: Do you see what I mean?
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<beach> (defclass wrapped-bitvector () ((underlying-bitvector ....) (offset ...))) then (defun rotate (wrapped-bitvector amount) (incf (offset wrapped-bitvector) amount))
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<beach> esthlos: Are you still around?
<beach> Oh, well.
<trittweiler> What's the pasting service de vogue, paste.lisp.org seems no longer available
<flip214> trittweiler: pastebin.org
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<esthlos> sorry, in and out right now
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<esthlos> beach: that's an interesting idea. I have to constantly make new vectors. question then is what costs more: creating the wrapped-bitvector, or the dumb rotation with a loop and setf
<esthlos> I'll do some timing tests and check it out
<esthlos> obviously your method scales far better, but these bit vectors are capped at 2^7 in length
<flip214> esthlos: do you need to rotate by single bits, or only by octets?
<flip214> anyway, I'd suggest to create the underlying-bitvector with double the size, and setting bit N and (+ N size) at each SETF.
<flip214> then retrieving any bit sequence can be done with a single call with the offset, no need to check for wraparound
<flip214> depending on the actual things you need to do a vector of 2^(7+1) bytes where only a single bit is used might be even easier -- though not as L1 cache efficient ;)
<flip214> esthlos: if it's really only 2^7 bits, why not keep them in a BIGNUM (or, if you have enough control, in one SSE or two CPU registers)?
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<esthlos> flip214: the rotation is by single bits. keeping them in a bignum is also an interesting idea. though I'm trying to be very transparent about bitwise operations in the code itself
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<esthlos> bitvector-wise operations, I should say
<msmith> has anyone compared NTP timestamps to the output of get-universal-time? I seems like the latter is just the first 32 bits of the former. is this correct? by that I mean they both equal the seconds relative to 0h on 1 January 1900 and should be identical
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