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* willmore mutters about running X on a 4MB machine back in the early 90's.....
<apritzel> willmore: but everybody knows that you need 8MB for X, especially with Netscape!
<apritzel> willmore: and don't forget to use rxvt and fvwm instead of xterm and twm ... ;-)
<BenG83> I can´t remember what RH6.2 shipped with
<BenG83> or 5.2 rather
<BenG83> but I can tell you there are a lot of floppies in this box ;)
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<willmore> apritzel, that was later. :) We used NCSA Mosaic.
<willmore> tvtwm, FTW!
<willmore> I still have my 0.14 root and boot discs somewhere.
<BenG83> I only started using Linux around 1997
<BenG83> someone gave me a SuSE box
<BenG83> used that maybe around 2003 then switched to Gentoo for 5 years
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<willmore> apritzel, ssvb, there was some discussion a while back about trace integrity for SPI at higher speeds. I just did a loopback test with a 200mm+ wire at 100MHz and a 4K chunk of random data made it through just fine.
<willmore> I need to write something up that does more transfers and checks the received data to see what the true bit error rate is. But, none in one 32Kbit sample is pretty good to start with.
<willmore> Well laid out PCB traces should be better than a 200mm piece of wire hanging off of a GPIO port.
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<willmore> As a quick hack, I have a bash command line to keep looping the transfer command and checking the output. If it differs, it quite, if it's good, it increments a counter and goes on. Several K 4KB chunks in.
<willmore> I pulled the jumper to make sure it fails when it should ;) It fails as expected.
<willmore> I'll let it run overnight.
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<beeble> willmore: looks like you are using spidev to do your tests. keep in mind that there is a big delay between chipselects/transfers and therefore a high ratio in idle time to transfer
<beeble> just as a sidenote
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<lurchi_> willmore: 200 mm wire may be much better than some pcb trace - no impedance jumps, no nearby signal traces ...
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<KotCzarny> i still have toshiba laptop in the closet, with 4MB and running linux 2.x ;)
<KotCzarny> it even has pcmcia network working ;)
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<akaWolf> mripard: hi. what is the current status of CSI in mainline?
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<MoeIcenowy> akaWolf: nearly no status.
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<rellla> is there any ready made image for H5 (OPi PC 2) with legacy kernel to just fire up in order to play with libvdpau-sunxi? the debian server images on their webite are not working and baidu is a download mess...
<KotCzarny> there was a tool to download from baidu link?
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<rellla> KotCzarny?
<KotCzarny> in case you wanted to download something from baidu
<rellla> i want to try, but i don't want to install some tool.
<KotCzarny> i guess it would be a simple script or something
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<KotCzarny> also, you might check if zoobab's server has any of linux h5 images mirrored
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<tkaiser> rellla: And surprisingly all their working images are here: https://mega.nz/#F!WwkGDAja!VEQQ5tsurQehPpwJ6Oc3Bw
<rellla> tkaiser: thanks. i got the mali450 image already, but it stays display-black and eth-offline after booting. not checked the issue with serial console though...
<tkaiser> rellla: There was an issue with TX/RX delay IIRC (but I gave up long ago with Buddy and his BSP adventures). Adding an ethtool call to /etc/rc.local might 'fix' this (forcing 100 Mbits/sec).
<rellla> tkaiser: let's see how far debian server image boots...
<tkaiser> rellla: And also IIRC jemk already confirmed libvdau-sunxi working on OPI PC2 out of the box. But I might be wrong here.
<rellla> yes, he confirmed. i have some outstanding things to work on libvdpau-sunxi, so i thought i could take my H5 device :p
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<tkaiser> rellla: Good approach. Wish you good luck with the Xunlong image (the first thing I did after booting OPi PC2 back then was to start rolling eyes and exchanging rootfs immediately)
<TheLinuxBug> ohh yeah, so is libvdau-sunxi already working on Armbian?
<TheLinuxBug> fro PC2?
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<TheLinuxBug> ahh you were talking about those images on mega
<TheLinuxBug> tkaiser: one interesting thing I did find is if you install chromium on Armbian Desktop PC2 image it can play x264 video and such without any issue even without gfx accel
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<tkaiser> TheLinuxBug: No idea, I sent 'my' OPi PC2 to jemk months ago and usually connect a display to sunxi devices just to test some stuff (like DVI compatibility). Mikhail reported that 720p can be played without HW acceleration with mainline so maybe it's just that. 'armbianmonitor -m' and htop will tell :)
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<rellla> for the german speaking guys here, i'd like to mention, that the next round of the typical heise.de-allwinner discussion is starting again :)
<rellla> and the whining about lack of open source hardware drivers ...
<tkaiser> rellla: In case you waste your time there with those stupid Heise Foren Trolls just mention that *everything* NEO2 provides is fully supported by Armbian's nightly images.
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<willmore> lurchi__, in some respects, yes, that's true, but it's also more inductive and there are the two probes and the ground lines hanging off nearby pins. Also, don't forget about the silly GPIO header. That's not exactly a controlled impedence connector ;)
<willmore> beeble, yes, I can see those. That's why were' running at only 48 transfers a second. CS assert--big gap--quickly little transfer--big gap--CS deassert--big gap...
<willmore> So far it did 150K transfers overnight and no errors.
<willmore> KotCzarny, nice. Let me know if you ever need a new pcmcia ethernet card. ;)
* rellla fortunately has now forum account - and thought that it's time for tkaiser's big hammer :p
<rellla> *has no
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<rellla> but as you said. wasting time.
<KotCzarny> willmore: i have more than 30 in the drawer ;)
<Snoo19942> hi there. my kernel crashes with: serial8250: too much work for irq
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. some people still consider Allwinner as a all close-source vendor ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> and disregard of community works
<rellla> ^^ this is heise.de forum trolls
<MoeIcenowy> I have even saw some people saying "The open-source of Raspberry Pi is better than Allwinner"
<MoeIcenowy> ;-)
<willmore> KotCzarny, okay, then. :) Need WiFi? ;)
<MoeIcenowy> I think they may get source of bootcode.bin ;-)
<KotCzarny> willmore: pcmcia one? ;)
<buZz> MoeIcenowy: hahaha
<willmore> MoeIcenowy, well, Allwinner is 'available' source and some of it is 'open'. :) The community is a completely different animal--being fully proper open source.
<MoeIcenowy> yes
<willmore> Rpi is pretty much the same, or did they open up the VPU blob?
<MoeIcenowy> they didn't at all
<MoeIcenowy> you know, the rpi-open-firmware now is only able to make mmc and uart usable
<KotCzarny> oh wow
<willmore> I don't think they'll ever get the Broadcom (but maybe the Cypress) VPU boot code, but they may get an openly developed replacement for most of its functionality.
<KotCzarny> do we need a soc vendor feature comparison table?
<KotCzarny> ;)
<buZz> KotCzarny: yezzzz
<willmore> mmc and uart only? LOL. Good luck with that.
<buZz> something i can retweet plz
<willmore> KotCzarny, do it.
<KotCzarny> :)
<willmore> Make sure you cover several vendors, not just allwinner vs rpi.
<KotCzarny> will get my a** around it in the evening if no one does it earlier ;)
<MoeIcenowy> but it seems that only Allwinner have different status between "vendor support" and "community support"
<KotCzarny> willmore: no worries, once basic table is up, people will fill it with more info
<willmore> MoeIcenowy, that's not uncommon.
<MoeIcenowy> willmore: yes, but sunxi have the most shiny community ;-)
<tkaiser> rellla: The 'funny' thing is that with NEO and NEO2 it makes absolutely no sense to use BSP kernel anyway. No display, no CSI, no need for BSP crap. And FriendlyELEC even got it, collected linux-sunxi patches and now provide a 4.10 package for H3 NEO
<willmore> MoeIcenowy, https://forum.armbian.com/index.php?/topic/3772-how-to-enable-hardware-spi/#comment-27874
<MoeIcenowy> tkaiser: plz add + after H2 in your forum section name ;-)
<willmore> MoeIcenowy, I can't argue that. linux-exynos isn't bad, either. There's also linux-meson which is going full steam.
<MoeIcenowy> I cannot stand people writing H2 without + ;-)
<Snoo19942> do i still have to apply patches from https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/tree/master/patch/kernel/sun7i-default
<Snoo19942> or what is the most recent git for non-mainline
<KotCzarny> moeicenowy: it should be written H3- ;)
<plaes> Snoo19942: we don't really care about 3.4 kernel anymore :(
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: it's like ♭B is equal to #C ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> s/B/D
<KotCzarny> almost ;)
<tkaiser> Snoo19942: That's the repo Armbian patches are applied against.
<Snoo19942> plaes so what is the krnel i use for a20 then?
<KotCzarny> snoo: plain mainline
<rellla> Snoo19942: for sun7i you should be fine with linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi and the patches from armbian. at least the ones you need.
<KotCzarny> no patches needed
<plaes> Snoo19942: what are your needs?
<plaes> and what device?
<rellla> Snoo19942: and legacy/mainline depends on what you want to do with it.
<Snoo19942> A20 custom device
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Really? Any idea why Armbian applies those: https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/tree/master/patch/kernel/sun7i-default ?
<Snoo19942> mainline isnt using fex files anymore right
<KotCzarny> yup, only dt
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Ah, missed that you recommended mainline (which I second)
<MoeIcenowy> if your device do not CSI or GPU, I don't think it's meaningful to use BSP now
<rellla> especially: "... Fachleute hier ..." lol
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<MoeIcenowy> oh I cannot read it at all...
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Someone called morons experts
<plaes> MoeIcenowy: German:)
<MoeIcenowy> I think this guy needs a CPU manufactured with 74LS chips ;-)
<rellla> MoeIcenowy: check google translate. it's fun.
<KotCzarny> nah, balls and wooden switches
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: the gene of the wood may contains backdoor by NSA.
<MoeIcenowy> ;-)
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<KotCzarny> moeicenowy: you might need a trained woodpecker then
<MoeIcenowy> woodpeckers cannot remove backdoor in genes, just like we cannot remove backdoor in hardware design ;-)
<KotCzarny> see 'trained' part
<KotCzarny> in the same way dogs discover different substances ;)
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<tkaiser> Huh? There's a Windows GUI for fex2bin/bin2fex: https://github.com/OtakuNekoP/sunxi-fex-tools-gui4win
<jelle> very important :P
<MoeIcenowy> OtakuNekoP is some BPi guy
<MoeIcenowy> he sometimes appears here
<willmore> 55Gb and no errors.
<KotCzarny> willmore: some people have ant farms, you seem to have bit farm
<KotCzarny> creating tubes for all those little bits run there and back
<KotCzarny> or are they electrons? yeah. electrons.
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<vale_opi> Hello! I would like to know which SCB offers poder management. Like monitoring a backup battery, por controllig current drawn on USB ports.
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<vale_opi> power management* for controlling*
<buZz> afaik none
<KotCzarny> A series usually are paired with pmic which has battery control circuit
<buZz> ah, yeah , the main battery
<buZz> but not a 'backup' battery
<buZz> or USB current draw
<KotCzarny> unless he meant rtc battery, but its also controlled by pmic on some boards (usually a20 based ones)
<buZz> ah nice
<vale_opi> Yeah, I'm refering to similar functionality as Olimex Lime2, for instance.
<KotCzarny> be specific
<vale_opi> But they are hard to find these days, and not as cheapest as Orange Pi's, which are actually more powerful (more cores).
<vale_opi> Maybe with R16 (A33) will see this year interesting IoT-oriented boards.
<vale_opi> 2 x USB High-speed host with power control and current limiter
<vale_opi> LiPo Battery connector with battery-charging capabilities
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<vale_opi> And preventing unclear shutdowns.
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<KotCzarny> almost all a20 boards support li* battery, some are missing header on the board though (fixable if you can solder 2 wires)
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<KotCzarny> none of H3 boards support li* battery.
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<KotCzarny> none of H3 boards support li* battery.
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<tkaiser> vale_opi: With the Olimex boards you have full control over battery and can also measure consumption of USB connected peripherals _when_ powering the boards through Mini USB instead of DC-IN
<vale_opi> And some of these boards (A20) are still available today? I didn't find one :(
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<KotCzarny> you can write to olimex directly
<tkaiser> vale_opi: Huh? Where are you from?
<vale_opi> Spain.
<KotCzarny> olimex is eu based company
<wens> order from olimex directly?
<tkaiser> vale_opi: Banana Pi can do the same (battery voltage control and USB power measurement). That is available in Spain
<vale_opi> I'll consider it, but it is going to depend on price.
<KotCzarny> tkaiser: usb power measurement? per port?
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Nope, you have to measure idle consumption, then add USB consumers and measure again. And use 30min average values ;)
<KotCzarny> hehe
<KotCzarny> then its not real measurement
<KotCzarny> just pmic total
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<KotCzarny> it all depends what he needs it for
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: On most boards it's not measured at all but on Bananas and Lime/Lime2 it adds to consumption.
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<KotCzarny> vale_opi: fix your irc client, or use hexchat
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<martinayotte> @MoeIcenowy, I've merge your new SPI Large Transfers version yesterday, but overnight, Zador found that previous sun6i_spi_max_transfer_size() was missing. He fix it here : https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/commit/1bd9a9fa081837896cf2f737199a61ac0fae2bd7
<willmore> martinayotte, then disregard my comment about the max transfer size. You're speaking about something different than I thought you were in the thread.
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<martinayotte> @willmore, no problem. I've read the thread few minutes ago, because for me, it is still morning in my timezone.
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<MoeIcenowy> martinayotte: thx, I will fix this
<MoeIcenowy> martinayotte: how to call you in mailing list?
<MoeIcenowy> I want to add a Reported-By for you
<martinayotte> Hi @M
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<martinayotte> Oupps ! Hi @MoeIcenowy ! on every forum, I'm using my full name "martinayotte", on ML, it is "martinayotte@gmail.com"
<MoeIcenowy> how about name?
<MoeIcenowy> Martin Ayotte?
<martinayotte> Yes
<MoeIcenowy> thanks ;-)
<martinayotte> You're Welcome ! ... and thanks for quick reply !
<MoeIcenowy> in fact I just get back from buying some food ;-)
<wens> late night snack!
<martinayotte> Me, still drinking morning coffee ;-)
<martinayotte> ... and reading tons of post on every forums ...
<wens> mid-west or west coast?
<martinayotte> east coast ... quebec !
<wens> argh, what is with this auto-reply from @yahoo.com addresses :/
<wens> oh wow, i was completely off
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<MoeIcenowy> P.S. I think lot of the @yahoo.com addresses are spams
<MoeIcenowy> and if I feed them into spam filter, the normal mail will be analyzed and dropped
<martinayotte> I've also account on @yahoo.com ...
<wens> MoeIcenowy: i know, it is utterly annoying
<wens> there are sites that actively discourage people from signing up with @yahoo.com addresses lol
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<nove> (about day 15 talking), yes all winners uses deception for marketing, it happened with A80 where was advertised support for hevc in a way that made thinking that was by hardware, but at the end, A80 datasheet had to have included that was by software
<nove> don't believe anything about "claimed" features, as the features only exists when is seen the actual hardware doing then
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<nove> and don't forget that their blobs is a media framework, when the hardware don't have a feature it will use software
<jrg> nove: blame china for that
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<terra854> Anyone working on EFI for the A64?
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<nove> is not china (their people or culture) that is to blame, but their business practices that were evolved from the western world need for cheap products at any cost
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<KotCzarny> yup. blame clueless people voting with their wallets on anything but quality products/code
<buZz> agreed
<buZz> yet, yay cheap socs
<buZz> :P
<KotCzarny> yay, i've got eavasedropping device in my pocket, but hey, it was cheap! and it's shiny! ;)
<KotCzarny> :P
<buZz> i dont think 'being from china' is a prerequisite for 'has spyware'
<buZz> isnt android muricun?
<jrg> heh
<jrg> KotCzarny: what about the HD fw?
<KotCzarny> hw fw?
<KotCzarny> *hd fw ?
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<montjoie> wow linux-next break dwmac
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<montjoie> even for dwmac-sunxi:)
<willmore> montjoie, was it your code? ;) If not, then yay!
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<montjoie> break even without my patch
<montjoie> trying to bisect
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<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: do you need me to respin the DW DRAM controller patch?