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<jernej> MoeIcenowy: Here you can find my current version of U-Boot DM video driver: https://github.com/jernejsk/u-boot/tree/dm_video_v1
<jernej> MoeIcenowy: only H3 was tested, though
<jernej> I will send patches soon
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<robogoat> apritzel: sorry, afk.
<robogoat> Regarding KVM, I think the kernel module isn't built by default.
<robogoat> zcat /proc/config.gz |grep -i kvm
<robogoat> Returns nothing
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<apritzel> robogoat: that's a shame and should be fixed
<apritzel> robogoat: but I think even Debian didn't build KVM until recently
<robogoat> Yeah, well, not a big deal on my part.
<robogoat> I'm just very happy to have support for mainline u-boot and kernel already.
<robogoat> Rather than something 3.x
<robogoat> Only nightlies are available for these anyway, I think.
<apritzel> not sure how much armbian takes from the original Debian kernel config
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<apritzel> tkaiser: ^^^
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<mripard> MoeIcenowy: the best option is usually to have a clock output somehow as a test pattern, like I2C or UART, and make sure the clock rate matches what you programmed
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<wens> anyone else get weird empty replies from @yahoo.com addresses after posting/replying to the mailing list?
<montjoie> wens: got one
<jelle> 13
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<plaes> got one too..
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<apritzel> same here
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<montjoie> perhaps some betatest from spammers
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<wens> [ 0.972980] cpufreq: cpufreq_online: CPU0: Running at unlisted freq: 2016000 KHz
<wens> [ 0.980588] cpu cpu0: dev_pm_opp_set_rate: failed to find current OPP for freq 2016000000 (-34)
<wens> that doesn't look right
<KotCzarny> burn baby, burn
<KotCzarny> what's the temperature?
<wens> it hanged, i don't know
<KotCzarny> 'hung'
<wens> the heat sink is barely warm
<wens> KotCzarny: :p
<wens> huh, a power cycle fixed it, weird
<JohnDoe_71Rus> white smoke?
<lkcl> hiya folks i _used_ to have an rk3288 firefly that i could boot with mainline-ish but i've somehow managed to trash the config (yay!)
<lkcl> does anyone have a reliable quick-and-easy pointer to
<lkcl> (a) a kernel source that works
<lkcl> (b) a kernel config that works
<lkcl> currently trying mmind's 4.10
<lkcl> Latest commit 59331c2
<JohnDoe_71Rus> this is allwinner chanel
<lkcl> ah! thx john.... left pane's too small to notice :)
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<wens> sunxi-next branch updated
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<rah> KotCzarny: actually both "hanged" and "hung" are valid past participles of "hang"
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<KotCzarny> Use hanged when referring to a person being suspended by a rope around the neck until dead.
<KotCzarny> so it might be correct to use 'hanged' in wens' context
<KotCzarny> hehe
<wens> lets not get hung up on this :p
<KotCzarny> i'm getting hung-ry :P
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<BenG83> lol
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<rah> KotCzarny: firstly, Merriam-Webster is not an English company
<rah> KotCzarny: secondly, guides are just that
<rah> KotCzarny: both "hanged" and "hung" are valid past participles of "hang"
<KotCzarny> but both carry a bit different contexts
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<KotCzarny> Hung is the normal form in most general uses, e.g. they hung out the washing; she hung around for a few minutes; he had hung the picture over the fireplace, but hanged is the form normally used in reference to execution by hanging
<KotCzarny> is oxford english enough?
<rah> that doesn't contradict what I said
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<MoeIcenowy> Does Linux kernel support mixture of hardware and software card select?
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<KotCzarny> this. this is nice
<Wizzup> but will they provide a stable storage, or just randomly crash still
<KotCzarny> who knows what would happen and how they will implement it, and if there will be real products available
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<Ke> my chromebook has been running on top of samsung SD using btrfs for serral months now
<Ke> and btrfs even checks that the data returned is valid
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<Ke> though I will expect much shorter lifespan than on my SSDs
<KotCzarny> have you ever checked what iops you can achieve on it?
<Ke> no, the bottom line is that the BUS on c201 is the bottle neck
<Ke> I have seen consistently better perf elsewhere
<KotCzarny> i would assume sdcard could be a bigger bottleneck when it comes to random i/o
<Ke> for cheap SD cards yes
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<Ke> I have moderately cheap device with very expesive SD card
<KotCzarny> which card model it is?
<Ke> pro+
<KotCzarny> ~700iops on random write (~3MB/s)
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<Ke> it's rarely that random outside of benchmarks
<Ke> even metadata writes are 16K, which would still be 11.2MB/s
<KotCzarny> that assuming you dont run multiple compile jobs in parallel to normal desktop use on that machine
<KotCzarny> especially firefox can bring it to the crawl
<Ke> firefox yes, compile will saturate the cpus
<Ke> ime at <50MB/s region total bandwith becomes issue more easily than iops
<Ke> I tried running firefox inside eatmydata to no avail
<KotCzarny> run from tmpfs and sync periodically?
<Ke> also having no VPU hurts alot
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<apritzel> Turl: NiteHawk: the last Wiki edits (on Boot_Android_from_SdCard) look like spam to me (more subtle than the usual stuff, though)
<KotCzarny> yup, out of context and broken english
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<plaes> I'm on it...
<NiteHawk> o/
<NiteHawk> plaes, that's fine. thx - i'm a bit busy currently
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<willmore> KotCzarny, RE A2. What is it with tkaiser? They mention something in an IRC chat and the next thing you know, it's an industry standard!
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<KotCzarny> if you look into the post, you will see the 'google' word ;)
<KotCzarny> which means the global ai requires faster storage for their tentacles
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* zepanwucai
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<zepanwucai> hello everyone!
<zepanwucai> I made a SD-size, breadboard-compatible, wifi/lora available V3S board which called "Lichee Pi Zero"
<zepanwucai> here is the introduction: https://hackaday.io/post/54426
<zepanwucai> It will on indiegogo few days latter, do you have some suggestions? thank you very much!
<plaes> zepanwucai: ah.. you're the guy ;)
<zepanwucai> um, you are?
<plaes> I'm the one who has been looking at your github page
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<plaes> ...and looking for a place to buy it
<zepanwucai> oo,I'm not active on github... I have 7 pcs yet
<zepanwucai> and some older version boards
<plaes> btw, the link to LVDS page has timed out
<plaes> err... LVDS picture
<zepanwucai> um, the free figure bed is not stable... I will fix latter..
<plaes> your project looks really cool
<buZz> zepanwucai: please dont call it SD-sized when it isnt
<buZz> makes you look foolish
<buZz> 'almost SD sized' would be better
<buZz> or just post the sizes
<plaes> yeah, good point
<vpeter> "little bigger than SD card"
<zepanwucai> little longer than SD card
<buZz> 24x32mm == SD
<buZz> you are 26x46mm
<buZz> so, bigger in all directions
<buZz> probably also thicker :P
<zepanwucai> um, I will fix it tonight
<buZz> no worries, its justa suggestion!
<zepanwucai> it is 25.4x44.65 mm
<buZz> thats almost 50% wider
<zepanwucai> yes, it is cased by FPC40 connector and micro usb
<zepanwucai> in case to layout all pins, I have to enlarge it...
<MoeIcenowy> so make things more precise is better ;-)
<zepanwucai> about the carmera, do you have some suggestions?
<zepanwucai> yes, I'm edit it now
<MoeIcenowy> mainline CSI is a big TODO ;-)
<plaes> yeah ^^
<zepanwucai> what about the ephy?
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<plaes> zepanwucai: you mean network?
<plaes> montjoie knows better
<zepanwucai> CSI, EPHY, CODEC is in TODO list now
<MoeIcenowy> zepanwucai: codec is doing by me.
<zepanwucai> oo, the bug is fixed now?
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<zepanwucai> wow, it is a big contribution
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<willmore> MoeIcenowy is kind of awesome. :)
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<igraltist> willmore: i remember correct do you have a c2?
<igraltist> if
<igraltist> willmore: i just ask because if he powerfull enough to play a youtube videos over vnc
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<willmore> igraltist, yes, I have two C2.
<willmore> Good question. I neither play youtube on them nor use VNC, so I have zero data on that.
<willmore> I actually only ever play youtube on android devices.
<willmore> Which is probably the only think keeping tkaiser from gutting me like a fish.
<willmore> s/think/thing
<willmore> You won't hear me complaining about mali or cedar.
<BenG83> ;)
<BenG83> MoeIcenowy, did you get that USB-eMMC adapter from Tl ?
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<BenG83> It uses a NS1081 flash controller to USB bridge but all I get it
<BenG83> *is
<BenG83> [ 3670.612760] usb 3-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2537, idProduct=9901
<BenG83> [ 3670.612765] usb 3-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
<BenG83> [ 3670.612771] usb 3-1: SerialNumber: 0123456789ABCDE
<BenG83> [ 3670.612769] usb 3-1: Manufacturer: Norelsys
<BenG83> [ 3670.612767] usb 3-1: Product: USB BOOTLOADER
<BenG83> so it looks like this needs firmware or sth
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<BenG83> my new pinebook prototype PCB arrived
<BenG83> it has a single LPDDR3 chip now like sopine
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<igraltist> willmore: i dont think vnc can use of the gpu then cpu must have enought power
<igraltist> i will create a remote browser system
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<BenG83> H9CCNNNBLTBLARNUD
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<igraltist> i try this with the opipc but its not enough
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<apritzel> BenG83: so it's a SKHynix DRAM?
<BenG83> yes
<BenG83> just cant find the datasheet
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<BenG83> atm I am trying to find a way to load a firmware into this USB3 flash memory bridge
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<apritzel> BenG83: maybe it's just not mass storage, but some other generic protocol?
<apritzel> like this USB firmware update stuff?
<BenG83> it is mass storage, but from what I read it needs a firmware for whatever flash memory is attached on the other end
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<BenG83> this looks to me as if it is waiting for someone to upload firmware
<BenG83> or it needs a mode-switch like some umts modems
<BenG83> I havent tried if it works on Windows yet
<BenG83> it looks like this just with a socket for the eMMC module
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<apritzel> BenG83: but why do you need this to begin with? Can't you just boot via FEL or SD card and then flash it from Linux?
<BenG83> sure
<BenG83> I just want to know how this tool works the is probably going to be shipped with the pinebook
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<apritzel> yeah, I just don't get why
<apritzel> I mean, just put *something* useful on it, so people can install or upgrade it live on the PB
<BenG83> maybe they think it's inconvenient for people to use FEL+UMS mode
<BenG83> ODROID also ships a sdcard adapter
<apritzel> they could just provide an SD card image
<apritzel> an updater, which can re-initialise the eMMC
<apritzel> it's a piece of cake to do from U-Boot, even automatically
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<beeble> even fastboot would be a option. that works quite well for flashing prebuild images
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. U-Boot seems to support fastboot
<MoeIcenowy> but it can only support fastboot image that is smaller than device DRAM size
<beeble> it does
<beeble> no
<beeble> or hmm not sure
<MoeIcenowy> I failed to flash a ~1GiB image on a C.H.I.P.
<MoeIcenowy> because of it cannot allocate enough DRAM to place the image
<beeble> it should split larger images into smaller chunks
<beeble> at least it seems to do it with our uboot
<beeble> have to check if we have a patched version
<MoeIcenowy> maybe this feature hit u-boot recently
<MoeIcenowy> CHIP uses quite old u-boot
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: unfortunately u-boot 2017.03-rc3 still cannot boot u-boot with SPL on A64
<beeble> but at least i see transfers of about 50mb then a delay that would fit a flash write and then continues with transfers
<beeble> MoeIcenowy: am i wrong or is it about 5am in your timezone?
<jernej> MoeIcenowy: Did you apply this https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/734353/
<MoeIcenowy> beeble: yes it is
<jernej> MoeIcenowy: and this https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/735123/
<beeble> ok, so still to soon to contact vendors in shenzhen :)
<beeble> s/soon/early
<MoeIcenowy> yes too early ;-)
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<MoeIcenowy> I just cannot go to sleep
<MoeIcenowy> jernej: thx
<jernej> MoeIcenowy: at least those patches are needed if you work on sunxi-next
<beeble> finaly found a vendor name in chinese in a qr code on the part i could translate
<beeble> now i only have to hope the will response
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: what's the execution level that U-Boot without ATF is under on A64?
<MoeIcenowy> s/execution/exception/g
<MoeIcenowy> I think it's EL3 as we didn't run any firmware that runs in EL3, right?
<apritzel> yes, EL3
<MoeIcenowy> so I tried to jump to ATF via this early U-Boot
<apritzel> RMR goes only from the highest expection to the highest exception level, possibly switching the bitness in between
<MoeIcenowy> but this time ATF fails to set up EL3 mmu
<apritzel> because U-Boot did already?
<MoeIcenowy> maybe...
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: in general ATF expects to be the first in EL3
<MoeIcenowy> but can we clean up the environment enough for running ATF?
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<apritzel> if you have too much spare time: sure
<MoeIcenowy> oh the U-Boot code didn't clean up MMU...
<MoeIcenowy> it just switch to EL2 for booting Linux
<apritzel> each exception level has it's own page table setup
<MoeIcenowy> so I think switch to EL2 just leave a empty page table to kernel, right?
<apritzel> yes
<MoeIcenowy> so finally we can only use FIT to load ATF...
<apritzel> well, there are always other ways to get it going, question is only why you would do it
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<apritzel> on most systems ATF does the job of the SPL too
<apritzel> which is called BL1 then
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<MoeIcenowy> on most systems? I checked the official ATF tree, and vendors other than ARM all seem to only use BL31...
<apritzel> not all vendors are upstream
<apritzel> but yes, some have their own proprietary SPL
<MoeIcenowy> except QEMU ;-)
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: so you said that you can't boot U-Boot in 2017.03-rc3?
<MoeIcenowy> yes
<MoeIcenowy> maybe the patch is still after rc3
<apritzel> did you mean you can't boot Linux?
<MoeIcenowy> I mean SPL failed
<apritzel> with some MMC error -19?
<MoeIcenowy> yes
<MoeIcenowy> the patch didn't hit rc3.
<apritzel> exactly
<apritzel> nobody seemed to care for over a month ...
<MoeIcenowy> but I saw "applied" in patchwork
<apritzel> it's HEAD~1 of origin/master at the moment
<apritzel> two patches after -rc3 ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> so it should hit 2017.03 stable
<apritzel> yes, definitely
<apritzel> if you fast forward to the current master, it should work
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. the Pine64 WI-Fi module works very bad if the antenna is missing
<KotCzarny> :)
<apritzel> I am not surprised, such an open board with lot's of traces is not really radio-friendly ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> then I soldered a Dupont wire on it ;-)
<KotCzarny> all rf devices work very bad without antenna ;)
<MoeIcenowy> yes ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> and Pine64 didn't include any integrated antenna
<apritzel> especially if you have signals running at high frequency next to it
<KotCzarny> but it uses standard connector, yes?
<MoeIcenowy> yes
<KotCzarny> so not a problem
<apritzel> I wonder how much noise the AXP next to it generates alone
<KotCzarny> i have a bunch of good antennas from old thinkpads ;)
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. my Thinkpad do have two free antennas, for WWAN (although it didn't come with WWAN card)
<KotCzarny> and they are very good
<MoeIcenowy> but I don't want to use them for other usages
<MoeIcenowy> I will reserve them for when I want to install a 4 antenna WLAN card
<KotCzarny> ask someone who has broken laptop to give you one?
<MoeIcenowy> I'd prefer to buy a bunch ;-)
<KotCzarny> that would work too, though the ending of the antenna does matter too
<MoeIcenowy> the antenna like the one shipped with Orange Pis takes ¥0.8 on taobao
<MoeIcenowy> and the shippment will take ¥8
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<MoeIcenowy> mripard: what should we do on the Wi-Fi card slot on Pine64? Enable it in main device tree, or make it an overlay?
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<MoeIcenowy> and the IR on Pine64 is also optional
<beeble> MoeIcenowy: the link to your usb wip branch for a64 on the status matrix site is 404. did you move that branch somewhere else?
<MoeIcenowy> now it's not WIP at all.
<MoeIcenowy> we should remove it ;-)
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<MoeIcenowy> oh it's already removed
<beeble> did i miss the merge?
<apritzel> beeble: USB support is in 4.11-rc1
<beeble> ok, that i have just looked into the wrong branch
<beeble> than
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: can't we somehow detect the Wifi module in U-Boot?
<MoeIcenowy> we have now already rc kernel that have USB ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: I think it's possible to detect whether a card is present ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> as all Wi-Fi modules should have a SDIO card ;-)
<beeble> ah my fault. was still on the ethernet branch
<beeble> sorry
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: yeah, I was thinking so
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. I have a 4.11-rc1 branch that have H5 support, EMAC for A64/H5 and simplefbs for A64/H5
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: does this SDIO card have some kind of ID registers?
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: you can just try to send a MMC command to it
<MoeIcenowy> s/MMC/SDIO
<MoeIcenowy> SDIO cards may not respond MMC commands ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> and see whether it will respond
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. I'm doing controller switching on PHY0 of H3 (V3s and A64 will soon also apply this)
<MoeIcenowy> I think I should inform FreeBSD developers
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<MoeIcenowy> as they choose to use PHY 0 and 1 for the same PHY -- only different controllers
<MoeIcenowy> which introduces device tree binding difference
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: which PHY? USB?
<MoeIcenowy> USB.
<apritzel> we have plenty of them, you know ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> dt binding difference?
<apritzel> PHYs
<apritzel> Ethernet
<apritzel> HDMI
<apritzel> ...
<MoeIcenowy> oh...
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<BenG83> MoeIcenowy, is it possible that RTL8723cs works without firmware?
<MoeIcenowy> not possible at all.
<BenG83> I just realized I didnt add a firmware blob
<MoeIcenowy> but rtl8723cs driver bundles blobs
<MoeIcenowy> (all original drivers from RTL bundle blobs
<BenG83> I built the kernel module and copied that over
<MoeIcenowy> (for drivers cleaned up by Larry Flinger, the blobs are debundled
<MoeIcenowy> (but my 8723cs driver is based on allwinner one, which is based on RTL stock one, so the blobs are still bundled
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. https://github.com/Icenowy/linux/tree/sunxi64-4.11-rc1 is the patched 4.11-rc1 tree used for my distro ;-)
<BenG83> ok
<MoeIcenowy> which is what I mentioned before
<MoeIcenowy> note: it only cares on Pine64+ and Orange Pi PC2
<MoeIcenowy> no other devices cared ;-)
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Are you in touch with FriendlyELEC?
<MoeIcenowy> tkaiser: no ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> and I remember they're called FriendlyARM, did them changed their name?
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Don't know for sure but it seemed so. Also they seem to introduce another H5 board soon based on NanoPi M1 Plus (but with H3 exchanged)
<MoeIcenowy> and I already known NEO2 ;-)
<BenG83> I was looking at cubieboards yesterday because a shop here hat discounted cubietruck 4 and 5
<BenG83> what is the story of the A80/A83T ?
<BenG83> never really took off?
<tkaiser> BenG83: Ask wens, he's the only one who could answer ;)
<MoeIcenowy> In fact I'm waiting for a Orange Pi that have 2GiB DRAM, H5 SoC and integrate a UASP bridge ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> maybe Orange Pi 3 can satisfy the former 2 properties, and an external UASP bridge can be used for 3rd
<jernej> A83T boards are not so rare as A80, I even have one :)
<tkaiser> jernej: BPi M3?
<MoeIcenowy> but A83T support is as bad as A80
<jernej> of course, sample
<MoeIcenowy> I think FriendlyARM may not at least change its Chinese name ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> as they translated "ARM" to "arm" ("臂")
<jernej> MoeIcenowy: I have plans to make U-Boot video driver for A83T as well...
<MoeIcenowy> oh yes the Chinese website also says "Friendly ELEC" now
<MoeIcenowy> although the Chinese name is still "友善之臂" (what FriendlyARM translates)
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<BenG83> MoeIcenowy, did you get a new daughterboard with the pinebook mainboard?
<BenG83> I just tried to put mine together and realized the FFC changed
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<MoeIcenowy> BenG83: yes
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<MoeIcenowy> but I don't want to change my board now ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> I will wait for LPDDR support ;-)
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<MoeIcenowy> tkaiser: have you contacted FriendlyELEC people?
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<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Nope, the other way around. IIRC was a consequence of 'rootmydevice'. I'll send you contact details. Is the email address you use on github correct?
<MoeIcenowy> I use two ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> and now I try to use aosc.xyz one for development and outlook.com one for daily life ;-)
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Will then use aosc.xyz ;)
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. I may try to directly call them, as it will only cost me local call fee -- both FriendlyARM and I are in Canton ;-)
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Tried to make a connection, you should have new email :)
<MoeIcenowy> received your CC
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: In case I wrote BS simply correct me. And no need to CC: me, you're old enough ;)
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