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<andromeda-galaxy> the linux-sunxi wiki says that the A13 supports only raw nand/SD3.0 for storage, but the A13 manual says that "The SD/MMC controller can be configured as a Secure Digital Multimedia Card controller, which simultaeneously supports Secure Digital I/O (SDIO), Multimedia Cards (MMC), eMMC Card.
<andromeda-galaxy> does the A13 support eMMC or not?
<andromeda-galaxy> as I have a board with some NAND on it and I would like to add an eMMC while leaving the nand alone
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<crzyp3ck> hello all
<crzyp3ck> I want to install linux or bsd (anything except android) on an A13 allwinner tablet. It is JXD S9100.
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<crzyp3ck> how could I go about it? could I get some help.
<diego71> andromeda-galaxy: 1bit spi mode it should be the same protocol for sd and mmc, so it should be possibile to support either
<diego71> probably don't support high speed
<premoboss> crzyp3ck, if noone before you did that activity, you have a lot of work to do by yourself.
<crzyp3ck> premoboss: np. but I don't know how to start?
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<premoboss> crzyp3ck, search the hardware more similar to your hardware (same soc) tha study how linux/bsd was placed on that harfdware.
<crzyp3ck> I worked with linux and bsd before.
<premoboss> if your hardware has a debug port, start to join int via usb/ttl converter
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<crzyp3ck> right now. I can install android on it with livesuit and usb connection
<crzyp3ck> I am up to make my own linux or bsd img to install on it via livesuit. is it the way?
<premoboss> yes as far as i know.
<premoboss> if you can "flash" that fdrevice, it is the first step for furter activities.
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<premoboss> crzyp3ck, have a look to replicant.us, they do a "purged" version of android for Galaxxy S2 (i9100) maybe is the same soc-.
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<winhearts> Hello ~
<winhearts> I want to buy one ?
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<tkaiser> crzyp3ck: You don't want to use Livesuit, this is proprietary and outdated crap no one outside of Allwinner uses any more.
<crzyp3ck> tkaiser: so; how could I install debian or openbsd on jxd s9100?
<KotCzarny> read wiki
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: link plz?
<KotCzarny> then if you know what uboot is, its simple
<KotCzarny> linux-sunxi.org
<KotCzarny> if you want debian, then just go to armbian.com
<KotCzarny> its plain debian with allwinner enhancements added
<KotCzarny> which would save you some time and pain
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, no support for a13 ?
<KotCzarny> o.o
<KotCzarny> anyway, you can grab any image for a10 and just update dtb/kernel
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: thanks a lot you save me some time a a lot of pain.
<crzyp3ck> So I have to install uboot first. yep>?
<KotCzarny> if you want to start from scratch
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: tkaiser; A13 is a stripped version of A10
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Tell me of a single A13 device worth a look.
<KotCzarny> board loads uboot from the beginning of sdcard (sector 8+), then uboot loads linux
<KotCzarny> tkaiser: olimex has some
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Expensive, no Ethernet, no use case (same applies to their A33 board and I have no idea why Igor added support for that)
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: tkaiser look worthy! no, but It is nice to get some liberation. It is me and this JXD device.
<KotCzarny> crzyp3ck: is it a tablet?
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: A13 9inch tablet with wifi
<KotCzarny> if you need some examples to steal configs/settings from you might check https://linux-sunxi.org/Category:A13_Tablets
<crzyp3ck> that is it
<KotCzarny> i would advise to play with os on sdcard at first, as nand support is sketchy in mainline
<crzyp3ck> still unclear. where does the uboot come in?
<KotCzarny> uboot == grub
<crzyp3ck> should uboot be installed on android tablet
<KotCzarny> (with a bit of simplifictation its bios+grub)
<KotCzarny> in the same manner 'should grub be installed on pc'
<crzyp3ck> I got the part that uboot is a boot loader like grub
<KotCzarny> 1/ most likely your tablet will boot from sdcard if it has uboot installed
<KotCzarny> 2/ you can also use sdcard for os too
<KotCzarny> that will let you keep android on nand and pop in sdcard for linux
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: right know my tablet will start from its internal memory and run android 4
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: yes. a good 2k/4k U1 microsd flash would do nicely
<crzyp3ck> */know/now
<KotCzarny> most likely you will benefit if you find debug uart port/pads on the board
<KotCzarny> read device pages of other a13 tablets to see where and what to look for
<tkaiser> crzyp3ck: Without serial console you're lost anyway. So check this first and if you're still not too discouraged afterwards try to boot any A13 Linux image you find. This will give you an idea how boot process works (watching serial console output)
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, there is a high chance its a rebadge of something else
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Are there 'ready to run' Linux images for any of those tablets around or not?
<KotCzarny> maybe moeicenowy could roll out her distro for a13 too
<KotCzarny> all it needs is to update the kernel with defconfig and lcd config
<KotCzarny> otherwise they are almost the same as a10
<crzyp3ck> the serial consol is like a Jtag pin out?
<KotCzarny> jtag is different from uart
<crzyp3ck> so I need to buy a UART device and I need to find the connection location of the board? yes?
<KotCzarny> if you have old laptop with serial port you can use it
<KotCzarny> or any other device with 3.3V serial port
<KotCzarny> but those dongles are dirt cheap, and useful
<KotCzarny> you can remove the screw without screwdriver, but it makes things easy if you have proper tool
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<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: I don't know what exactly I meant to buy. give a link plz.
<KotCzarny> see that uart page
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<KotCzarny> you can google for pl2303hx
<KotCzarny> that's what i use
<KotCzarny> or cp2102
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<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: how do you use it/set it up?
<KotCzarny> use what?
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<premoboss> crzyp3ck, converter usb/ttl 3v3 are recognized atumatically by linux as /dev/ttyUSB0,1,2, etc. you can use itr with minicom to talk to your devide.
<premoboss> device.
<Christos> It looks that OrangePi is gearing up for a new A64 board -> https://github.com/OrangePiLibra
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<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: the pl2303
<KotCzarny> pl2303hx
<KotCzarny> you connect rx, tx, gnd on the board, usb in the pc, then just run screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 on pc
<crzyp3ck> premoboss: I opened the device and on the board is F900_mainboard_v1.0.0
<KotCzarny> there you will see what happens and can enter commands too
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<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: under linux?
<KotCzarny> windoze will work too
<KotCzarny> using putty ofr example
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: So you use ssh or telnet command?
<KotCzarny> none, you use serial port for read/write
<KotCzarny> but putty has a support for that, that's why i've suggested it
<NiteHawk> crzyp3ck: no, it's a serial console (talking directly to the hardware). just use a terminal program like "minicom"
<KotCzarny> nitehawk: on windoze putty is preferred
<KotCzarny> and you can even run it in linux via wine
<KotCzarny> really nice
<NiteHawk> right. for windows i'd recommend putty too
<crzyp3ck> What are the available commands?
<KotCzarny> think of it as a direct control, remote keyboard
<KotCzarny> with display too (text only)
<NiteHawk> i.e. the "commands" depend on what is running at the SoC side at that particular moment (e.g. bootloader, kernel diagnostic output, serial login for running os, ...)
<KotCzarny> as i've said, remote keyboard
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<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: So if I turn on the device and connect the device to my pc via that module I can run busybox commands. yes?
<KotCzarny> if busybox is actually available (ie. device started linux and busybox is in path)
<ErwinH> See it as a replacement for the keyboard and display connected to the device.
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: it is android 4. rooted with busy box installed
<KotCzarny> yes. that's why it's called console
<crzyp3ck> oh. it is sinking in
<KotCzarny> crzyp3ck: if it wasnt disabled, then yes
<crzyp3ck> now the hardware Q? I would connect only 2 wire to the board? rx/tx?
<KotCzarny> gnd is required
<KotCzarny> so 3 wires
<KotCzarny> gnd could be just anywhere on the board though
<KotCzarny> so its not a problem
<KotCzarny> that's why some tablet pads only have 2 points isntead of 3 or 4
<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: where are the rx tx on the board I can't see
<KotCzarny> read what i
<KotCzarny> 've said
<crzyp3ck> yup
<KotCzarny> 12:19 #linux-sunxi |> if you need some examples to steal configs/settings from you might check
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<oisoft> hello all
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<oisoft> i want to buy LicheePi Zero(http://linux-sunxi.org/LicheePi_Zero)with IR camera module。how much ?my contact tel :+8615980816557 email:oisoft@126.com wechat:17605065896
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<oisoft> yes
<buZz> we arent a shop :P
<oisoft> I am studying ADAS and currently met some difficulties which need some guy to lead me out, could you please kindly help me?
<oisoft> I know this is not a shop, while you guys are professional.
<oisoft> hello, are you still here?
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<MoeIcenowy> oisoft: Lichee Pi One is not in stock yet
<MoeIcenowy> s/One/Zero
<oisoft> do you happen to know when it's available?
<oisoft> maybe I could wait if it will come out soon
<oisoft> do you know how can I reach anybody who knows about this product?
<KotCzarny> isnt there a link to the github?
<KotCzarny> there should be contact
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<oisoft> yeap
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<crzyp3ck> KotCzarny: look at this. now which pin is rx and which is tx and where's the ground?
<MoeIcenowy> crzyp3ck: what are you looking at to?
<crzyp3ck> MoeIcenowy: hi. looking to install uboot on F900 A13 tablet. in order to install bsd or linux. till know I found out I cant do that with UART module
<crzyp3ck> I went and found one
<MoeIcenowy> maybe you can do without UART
<MoeIcenowy> I have several A33 tablets hacked without using UART
<crzyp3ck> now I need to find where is the rx/tx on that [picture].
<crzyp3ck> MoeIcenowy: how? really eager to hear all about how?
<crzyp3ck> :) :*)
<MoeIcenowy> how is the look of your tablet?
<KotCzarny> look at what?
<KotCzarny> you didnt paste any link
<crzyp3ck> if you have time
<KotCzarny> now you did
<KotCzarny> this is the dongle, on the back you should have descriptions
<MoeIcenowy> crzyp3ck: what's the appearance of your tablet?
<KotCzarny> you have to connect gnd--gnd, tx--rx, rx--tx
<KotCzarny> so now you have to find gnd/tx/rx on your board
<MoeIcenowy> is your tablet's display 800x480?
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<Ixnus> crzyp3ck: Please read http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_howto
<Ixnus> and create page for your device http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_page
<Ixnus> Some tablets don't have pads exposed so you need this: http://linux-sunxi.org/MicroSD_Breakout
<MoeIcenowy> crzyp3ck: install sunxi-tools on a Linux PC, mount /dev/block/nanda somewhere on your tablet, copy out script.bin from the nanda partition to your PC, and use bin2fex in sunxi-tools to convert it into readable fex format
<crzyp3ck> MoeIcenowy: yup 800x480
<MoeIcenowy> do you have the ability to do what I said just now?
<MoeIcenowy> maybe you can first try q8_a13_tablet_defconfig of mainline U-Boot
<MoeIcenowy> if your tablet is really 800x480
<KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: you should add generic support to your distro and create few compatible images
<MoeIcenowy> how generic?
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<MoeIcenowy> yes... now I create too many alike images for different devices...
<KotCzarny> few soc/lcd combinations
<KotCzarny> maybe some tool to switch configs
<KotCzarny> so one image + tool to switch between fexes/dtbs/lcds
<KotCzarny> as image is on sdcard it could use pc or usb/fel maybe
<MoeIcenowy> I dare not use kernel that needs fexes for my distros ;-)
<KotCzarny> :)
<MoeIcenowy> as we're tracing the way of systemd ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> but for user just per device image is the easiest way...
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<KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: then you update something and regenerate tens of images ;)
<MoeIcenowy> s/tens/tons/g ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> generating images is not heavy, but xz-ing them is ;-)
<KotCzarny> in my case uploading is ;)
<KotCzarny> consumer dsl uplinks suck
<MoeIcenowy> agree with it
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<plaes> hrm.. anyone know whether stickvise is available from somewhere EU?
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<avafinger> Hi
<avafinger> I have BPI-M64 and i am trying to make eMMC work on linux 3.10, can someone explain how the eMMC is detect?
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<avafinger> I got eMMC detected but with wrong speed i think
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<avafinger> if someone can have a look at the log and give some clues how to fix this. have a look: https://gist.github.com/avafinger/04c5a56cbe66e95b18edf218ec7e4073
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<avafinger> Android detects the eMMC as High Speed and linux as HS400, can anyone here give some advice on what is going wrong?
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<montjoie> raaaah second time that git bisect compress time space, and go ousite the good-bad limit
<montjoie> bisecting by hand ...
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<cptG> i couldn't find any hint on the wiki, so: what boot= parameter should I pass to the kernel when I'm booting via FEL, i.e. I uploaded my lzma-compressed root FS via FEL? Kernel does not like /dev/ram /dev/ram0 or /dev/ram1...
<KotCzarny> isnt there an example on fel/usb page?
<KotCzarny> and you are thinking of root= not boot=
<cptG> KotCzarny: I could not find anything about the kernel parameters on there
<cptG> KotCzarny: yeah, root=
<KotCzarny> first, check if you have ramdisk support enabled and also booting from it
<KotCzarny> are you sure?
<KotCzarny> https://linux-sunxi.org/FEL/USBBoot#Booting_the_whole_system_over_USB_.28U-Boot_.2B_kernel_.2B_initramfs.29
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<cptG> KotCzarny: ah, yeah. I missed the BLK_DEV_RAM config in my kernel build. Thanks for pointing that out!
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<avafinger> Hey guys, please how to ping someone in here?
<KotCzarny> just say the nick
<avafinger> i am using the webchat, the nock are shown on the right corner, is it?
<avafinger> i am working with longsleep kernel and updated the mmc driver whith a new version, but seems it is not entering DDR mode
<avafinger> longsleep is logged in?
<premoboss> avafinger, yes
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<KotCzarny> people use irc sessions there (ie. irc clients running 24/7), and even if not present, often check logs
<avafinger> ha, ok
<premoboss> but to be logged in does not mean also to be in front od display
<avafinger> i see, so, here is another question, how to know if my DTS has ddr_mode =1 like the old fex?
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<avafinger> it should swith to DDR mode
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<avafinger> i updated to v0.59 and had some linux tainted, so updated to v0.37
<parazyd> is there a macro to recognize if the kernel is sunxi? for C code
<parazyd> (maybe a bad choice of words)
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<plaes> MoeIcenowy: o/
<plaes> playing with Orange Pi Zero
<plaes> did you managed to get sdcard working?
<plaes> sunxi-mmc 1c0f000.mmc: fatal err update clk timeout
<plaes> I'm using latest master with your patches from github
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<apritzel> plaes: montjoie is chasing the very same problem
<TheLinuxBug> Hey anyone run Kubernetes on H3 devices?
<TheLinuxBug> I am curious the compatability and performance of such
<avafinger> i pushed my DTS in case i missed something
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<apritzel> though it's not the timeout that's the problem, but the error mentioned earlier
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<plaes> I don't actually see that error, but I probably have to enable mmc debugging
<apritzel> plaes: don't you see this: line 232 in http://pastebin.com/GLMqvP94
<plaes> nope
<plaes> which buttons should I push to enable extra debugging?
<plaes> I already have CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG=y
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<longsleep> avafinger: what kernel are u using an why did you update the mmc driver where did you get that driver from in the first place. What device and device tree do you actually use? Just look at the values to know if it has a setting you expect, if not change it and reboot. For a64 with BSP note that u-boot also loads a device tree with its own drivers and thus might work differently than the kernel.
<avafinger> 3.10.102, updated to get rid of the cmd errors, synced with 3.10.65 m2u and from the Android version that has newer driver (or improved driver). DTS tree is on the gist (last file). Firstly i am booting from SD card to be able to format eMMC but it seems to not switch to DDR mode
<avafinger> U-boot is with DTS without eMMC enabled
<avafinger> i am trying to understand why it gets wrong bus speed, i think...
<avafinger> device: BPI-M64
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<avafinger> I limited clk to 50000000 Hz to see it was the culprit, still get HS-400
<avafinger> any thoughts?