<NiteHawk>
if it failed, maybe also retry it / request another confirmation?
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<oneinsect>
still no confirmation
<oneinsect>
let me retry
<oneinsect>
rerequested
<oneinsect>
i still see this linux-sunxi.org could not send your confirmation mail. Please check your email address for invalid characters. Mailer returned: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function
<oneinsect>
but let me wait
<oneinsect>
for a couple of minutes
<NiteHawk>
ah, that "Mailer returned: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function" may at least be a hint
<NiteHawk>
did you double-check your email against accidental typos?
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<NiteHawk>
Turl: ^
<oneinsect>
hmmm
<oneinsect>
i did
<NiteHawk>
just checking. i strongly suspect the error is not on your side, but something wrong with the server
<oneinsect>
newer kernel already has a driver for this
<oneinsect>
but doesnt support ap mode
<oneinsect>
that housq github is the only one
<oneinsect>
which supports stable ap mode
<TaD_>
I've managed to get u-boot, kernel-4.6 and a miniroot ramdisk built for an OrangePi Plus and I'm trying to get it booting over usb using sunxi-fel. So far u-boot works, and the kernel boots, unpacks the initrd but I'm having trouble working out what I should put for the bootarg root=??
<KotCzarny>
if you are patient just wait for 4.7
<oneinsect>
hmmm
<KotCzarny>
otherwise you will have to backport it somehow, maybe older tag?
<KotCzarny>
tad: root=/dev/ram
<KotCzarny>
if you are using initrd
<KotCzarny>
but kernel should pick it up itself
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<oneinsect>
this is what i put
<oneinsect>
for bootarg that has a ramdisk
<KotCzarny>
there are two types of ramdisk, initramfs and initrd
<KotCzarny>
do you have /init or /etc/rc.S in that miniroot?
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<KotCzarny>
and is it executable?
<KotCzarny>
ie. chroot to it and see if ldconfig pickup libs if its not compiled statically, check executable flag etc
<TaD_>
good question ... I'll have to dig into it and have a look. It fails at: 1.157618] VFS: Cannot open root device "ram" or unknown-block(1,0): error -6
<TaD_>
so perhaps the miniroot doesn't have the correct /dev entries either
<KotCzarny>
drop any root= param
<KotCzarny>
if its initramfs you dont need it
<KotCzarny>
also add explicit init=/some/path
<TaD_>
It seems the miniroot isn't quite right, but at least everything else is working so far. Thanks for the suggestions
<oneinsect>
KotCzarny
<oneinsect>
what were the config changes you made
<oneinsect>
for initrd
<KotCzarny>
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y
<KotCzarny>
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
<KotCzarny>
those two are for initrd
<KotCzarny>
and for initramfs you have to provide path for rootfs
<TaD_>
Aha! # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set <-- might have something to do with it, though it has CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
<oneinsect>
yes
<oneinsect>
also for initramfs did you provide any default path in the config you compiled for me?
<KotCzarny>
i dont use initramfs, otherise you will end up with kernel with glued rootfs
<KotCzarny>
which is a bit harder to modify
<KotCzarny>
that's why i prefer initrd
<oneinsect>
okie
<oneinsect>
i am now going to boot armbian
<oneinsect>
and compile stuff
<oneinsect>
then and there
<oneinsect>
i guess much easier
<KotCzarny>
:)
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<rengolin>
longsleep, just got a pine64 2GB RAM and downloaded your image (from Pine's website), but it only recognises 1GB of RAM. Do you have a 2GB image or a DTB I can just replace the one I have?
<tkaiser>
rengolin: And now please ask the Pine64 folks why they do not feature working OS images but instead old crap that causes troubles
<lennyraposo>
I iwll be fixing that issue this week tkaiser
<lennyraposo>
cleaning up their wiki
<lennyraposo>
gonna talk about setting up proper file stores as well
<oneinsect>
it says the following
<lennyraposo>
rengolin
<oneinsect>
can't open file "fs/fs_compat.kconfig"
<lennyraposo>
you need images?
<lennyraposo>
I have repository with tested images
<lennyraposo>
been going through everything posted
<tkaiser>
lennyraposo: Not as much crappy images as possible are needed but one or two good ones. Longsleep provides those. No need for more, especially no need to feature outdated crap like it's done in pine64 wiki
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<lennyraposo>
nwo I have to go through a centos and open suse variant next
<tkaiser>
lennyraposo: yeah, great. The basics are still missing but new OS images are released.
<lvrp16>
last year when i was testing various chips to build a custom dongle, the mt7601 driver for older kernels were in a very bad state
<oneinsect>
I use this repo for my package and is very stable, but only works at 11g speeds (i.e. 54MBps TX and RX). The aforementioned source compiles only in AP mode and works as such without hostapd. Just load the modules, assign an IP and you're set.
<apritzel>
wens: for the Pine I have some preliminary reset functionality in ATF using one of the watchdogs
<KotCzarny>
according to those quick tests it's ~400mA at 240mhz in full load
<KotCzarny>
The OPi PC idles at 240-600MHz: 1.5W, 20°C above ambient temperature
<lvrp16>
300ma?
<KotCzarny>
1.3W
<KotCzarny>
1.5
<lvrp16>
is it the same with android in the lowest power state?
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<KotCzarny>
dont have any droid image nor my power meter
<lvrp16>
is there some magic to get it down to 50ma/100ma?
<lvrp16>
idle
<KotCzarny>
lvrp16: zeroclock of the arm core and turning other things probably
<lvrp16>
whats zeroclock?
<buZz>
i guess the nohz ticker?
<lvrp16>
like using the onboard risc to turn off the arm cores completely?
<wens>
the main oscillator, which drives everything, can be turned off
<KotCzarny>
its the state of the device with most clocks turned off and cpu waking every now and then to see if there is work to do
<wens>
the cores can be switched to the very slow rtc clock if needed
<lvrp16>
thanks wens makes sense
<KotCzarny>
which is basically what mobile phones do
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<wens>
maz: what does ".arch_extension sec" do?
<maz>
wens: allows you to use SMC. otherwise, the assembler will tell you that you can't use it.
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<maz>
wens: you can also have virt, mp, and probably a few other implementation-specific ones.
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<wens>
SMC was moved to the common PSCI stub code
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<maz>
wens: is there a problem with that?
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<wens>
maz: no, means i don't have to deal with it :
<wens>
:)
<Rambler45>
Just wondering if it's the norm for Allwinner boards to arrive with a burnt smell?
<KotCzarny>
lol
<Rambler45>
it's gone now, was not sure if it cooked up some components.
<Rambler45>
;)
<NiteHawk>
Rambler45: if they don't, they're DOA? =)
<maz>
Rambler45: customary.
<KotCzarny>
might happen in warmer regions i guess
<Rambler45>
17 degrees here
<maz>
Rambler45: the delicate taste of baked silicon.
<Rambler45>
not that warm
<Rambler45>
Burnt smell is kidna nice
<KotCzarny>
you never know where that package has been
<Rambler45>
I once put RAMs in the opposite way and turned on an old mobo with DDR2
<Rambler45>
That smell was the worst electornics burnt smell in my entire life
<KotCzarny>
i once connected power in reverse to opipc, it still works
<Rambler45>
It was the OPi PC that arrived with burnt smell thoo
<Rambler45>
It was all smashed up hardcore, no GPIO pinds bent and worked so.
<Rambler45>
Hopefully it survives
<KotCzarny>
was it new or second hand?
<KotCzarny>
also, pics, or it didnt happen
<Rambler45>
New from Xulong
<Rambler45>
Ok, give me a sec
<KotCzarny>
also, im waiting for opi+2e
<Rambler45>
Well, I was thinking about Amlogic CPUs since they are cheap. But without the awesome work of Sunxi what's the point.
<KotCzarny>
+2e is going to be quite nice at its price point
<KotCzarny>
(unless 35usd is just some marketing scam)
<Rambler45>
imgur.com/XkxEGQS
<Rambler45>
Well, there is always shipping, VAT and that.
<KotCzarny>
no board
<Rambler45>
Board was fine like I said
<KotCzarny>
but definitely someone had a bad day
<Rambler45>
Thanks for using anti-static bags
<KotCzarny>
ahm, thought the board was wmashed up
<Rambler45>
I said the GPIO pins were not bent so :)
<KotCzarny>
yes, just reread it
<KotCzarny>
but still, if the board works, pine64 folks should learn the packaging-fu from xunlong ;)
<Rambler45>
Most just to ask if it was supposde to smell a bit burned.
<Rambler45>
I think just the first models were shipped out badly before they learned to pack them
<Rambler45>
I was about to order one but didn't
<Rambler45>
I expect it to be stuck on legacy kernel on whatever Allwinner SDK they gave out
<Rambler45>
mainly all their marketing BS was annoying me, why are they doing this. Same with Xunlong, whats up with 1.7GHz
<Rambler45>
Mainline, haha, "soon" they wrote.
<KotCzarny>
at least h3 boards get quite good support in 4.7
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<KotCzarny>
honestly its 1.2, a bit more with good heatsink
<Rambler45>
^ Well, I don't need it for what I'm doing.
<KotCzarny>
burning boards?
<lvrp16>
i hope they include all the dts for each board as well in 4.7
<Rambler45>
H3 is a nice chip, and for my purpose fits perfectly. Only asked about the burnt smell that's all, I have bad exeprience with burnt smells.
<Rambler45>
Put three heatsinks on it already
<lvrp16>
one, pc, plus, plus 2, plus 2e, bpi m2+
<Rambler45>
worked with a nice 47 *C
<KotCzarny>
mine is at comfortable 30C
<Rambler45>
It's not under load/heatsinks/fan?
<KotCzarny>
in idle atm
<lvrp16>
burnt smell = baking the bga
<Rambler45>
I have their plastic case on it since it looked fancy
<tkaiser>
lvrp16: OPi PC Plus, NanoPi M1, OPi Lite?
<KotCzarny>
but during compile its ~65-75 (no heatsink)
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<lvrp16>
tkaiser: you mean those are included?
<tkaiser>
lvrp16: No I ask why you excluded them ;)
<Rambler45>
lvrp16 nothing to worry about now if it works right?
<Rambler45>
I might have done a poor thing, put it on simply paper (the board)
<Rambler45>
Just to test it at first
<lvrp16>
tkaiser: your german comprehensiveness boggles my simple mind
<Rambler45>
KotCzarny yea I saw those 65 degrees too
<lvrp16>
tkaiser: i will buy you a beer one of these days when i visit europe
<Rambler45>
Doesn't have to throttle that right?
<KotCzarny>
not if you fixed dvfs
<tkaiser>
longsleep: 'faddah' is using the outdated Arch Linux image the Pine64 folks still provide in their wiki. This has been released one day before you fixed the random MAC address issue
<KotCzarny>
otherwise it will run overvolted
<Rambler45>
Right, I just tested it out roughly using armbian legacy kernel, so if they fixed dvfs then it's probably right.
<KotCzarny>
yes
<KotCzarny>
you would easily see 80-90
<KotCzarny>
otherwise
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Please start to accept that all H3 Orange Pis using the SY8106A voltage regulator are able to run at 1.3 GHz perfectly
<lvrp16>
tkaiser: who maintains the sunxi dts?
<lvrp16>
or device trees in general
<tkaiser>
lvrp16: Patches have to be sent to linux-sunxi ML
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: what is the temp without heatsink and under load?
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: No idea, since the whole question is pointless. If I want the device to run fast, I spend the 50 Cent and apply a heatsink
<Rambler45>
Should have done a RAM test thoo since I saw the wiki, but there's 22 now.
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser, but if you put those settings on a default image, there could be unaware users
<KotCzarny>
Rambler45: do it anyway, the more, the merrier
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Nope, that's what throttling is for. And that's why in Armbian 1296 MHz are the highest clockspeed for most H3 devices
<Rambler45>
Heatsinks at the size of the H3 SoC costs nothing
<KotCzarny>
i dont want to throttle, either it works stable, or dont
<Rambler45>
I bought wholesale ones for $0.3 a piece or so
<KotCzarny>
otherwise its just marketing
<tkaiser>
The 1200 MHz limit does only apply to OPi Lite, BPi M2+ and NanoP1 M1 due to their different/missing voltage regulator
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: does intel advertise turbo or normal ghz on its cpus?
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: It seems you don't understand throttling at all. Why limiting single threaded speed?
<Rambler45>
most of the time sites write out their turbo GHz so it sounds faster
<Rambler45>
marketing all over
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: i only know throttling from x86
<lvrp16>
KotCzarny: both
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Discuss this stuff with someone else but please stop to spread wrong information. Most H3 devices run with 1.3Ghz flawlessly, yours not since you have a problem with throttling
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: as i understand throttling it downclocks the cpu for some time, then tries to clock it back when its cooler a bit
<tkaiser>
Right, perfect behaviour since this happens only if all CPU cores are really busy
<KotCzarny>
but you cant expect 1.3ghz performance if you throttle
<Rambler45>
lvrp16 you werent serious about saying the OPi PC burnt smell was the BGA I hope ._.
<KotCzarny>
and if one runs cpu transcoding it wont run at 1.3ghz performance
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Think again about it. Most of the tasks run single threaded, there's no need to adjust max cpufreq to 1.2 Ghz!
<tkaiser>
If it gets too hot, throttling does the job, if it stays cool enough, let the CPU run at the highest *reliable working* speed
<lvrp16>
Rambler45: they bake it as the last step for the surface mount components so it's the smell of solder
<Rambler45>
Ah, I get it, so completely normal
<Rambler45>
Thanks
<lvrp16>
the smell goes away after they a few months in a warehouse
<lvrp16>
yes burnt smell is completely normal, that's the "new" smell of electronics ;)
<Rambler45>
Of course they don't do that and pack it in an air-tight bag.
<Rambler45>
;)
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: someone said that to notice any difference there has to be ~50% of speed change, 1.3 is only 10% so hardly noticeable, yet cpu gets hotter than needed. and yes, i know max temp from specs is 125C
<Rambler45>
I was surprised to see the OPi PC handling 8-bits HEVC too, was not something I guessed it did.
<lvrp16>
lol you two are making castles from potatoes with your exactness
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<KotCzarny>
lets agree to disagree
<Rambler45>
KotCzarny, I don't see much point in clocking 0.1 GHz higher, but every little helps.
<Rambler45>
as long as the temperature stays right on the SoC with heatsink and/or fan even without there is no issues.
<KotCzarny>
well, it's useful in colder climates
<ssvb>
KotCzarny: you can load the CPU hard enough to make it throttle even to something lower than 1.2GHz, so what's the point?
<ssvb>
KotCzarny: would you prefer it to be marketed as, let's say, 1GHz?
<Rambler45>
9*C right now, I have an AC turned to heat mode last month. Not exactly the warmest place ;)
<Rambler45>
ssvb 1 GHz is not good for marketing
<KotCzarny>
ssvb: those ghz are apples and oranges anyway
<Rambler45>
Allwinner tablets being sold with crack clocks only to throttle like hell
<lvrp16>
are you guys seriously discussing this issue or trolling each other? i can't tell honestly
<KotCzarny>
but if someone sold you car that can achieve 150HP but you have to install additional coolers, wouldnt you be a bit angry?
<ssvb>
KotCzarny: in fact Intel is inventing things like SDP because the TDP numbers don't look attractive enough in the marketing materials :)
<Rambler45>
Chinese marketing is scary stuff, they will put the original price to $200 dollars and sell it at a high discount to $15 and whatever means they can.
<Rambler45>
What a dirty place
<Rambler45>
Most fun is when they put the sales price lwo and shipping $10, you know it's subsidized to be $1
<lvrp16>
Shenzhen is like geek heaven
<Rambler45>
then again it's the birthplace of gutter oil (shenzhen), fake eggs, fake milk, fake rice noodles, soy sauce made out of hair... Something i the range of this.
<lvrp16>
it really puts perspective on ppp
<KotCzarny>
in the same way, the board could achieve 1.5ghz, with more cooling and higher voltage
<Rambler45>
There is a scary bubble in China and they are all sending money out everywere they can.
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<Rambler45>
America blocking it over security concerns like WD shares
<Rambler45>
Meanwhile Opera was bought up
<lvrp16>
Rambler45: even if that bubble burst, if you account for PPP, it's still by far the largest economy in the world.
<Rambler45>
lvrp16, isn't the very fact that the largest economy in the world will burst it's bubble?
<Rambler45>
They threw in a lot of money to avoid it.
<oneinsect>
i think china is trying even more these days
<oneinsect>
to have fabs
<oneinsect>
within china
<oneinsect>
for everything
<Rambler45>
Isn't the very reason Intel and such have avoided fabricating as much in China the fear of getting tech stolen
<lvrp16>
tsmc will move to china, the logistics of taiwan are bad for semifabs
<lvrp16>
from 2020-2030, most of the fabs will be on the mainland
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: You start to understand, it's about the voltage and not thermal issues. So please accept that 1.3 GHz are pretty fine and that according to your argumentation we have to write 720 MHz max cpufreq to all wiki pages since this might be the maximum when used with cpuburn, no heatsink and in a small enclosure
<Rambler45>
issue with mainlan is fun
<Rambler45>
I remember people trying to upload SDKs from there
<lvrp16>
China the country is not doing that well, Chinese ownership of capital is exploding
<Rambler45>
my own currency took a hit from oil prices
<Rambler45>
lvrp16, what exactly do you mean. I thought capital was running out due to the bubble risk
<lvrp16>
look at the special things of different demographies around the world, there's a 3/5 chance that the largest ownership of the companies in that specialty are chinese
<lvrp16>
outside of automobiles
<Rambler45>
HDDs are American, CPUs are mostly American?
<Rambler45>
so far that is
<Rambler45>
They are doing a good job trying to protect that bit of the industry
<Rambler45>
So investements like that Chinese CPU one is going to be scary
<lvrp16>
nope...
<lvrp16>
hdd - tsinghua
<lvrp16>
china just got access to AMD IP
<KotCzarny>
flash chips?
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<lvrp16>
sandisk?
<lvrp16>
tsmc....
<KotCzarny>
samsung
<Rambler45>
Chinese controllers are on the loose
<Rambler45>
Even on sdcards there was this brand which is gaining ground
<Rambler45>
MIXZA
<lvrp16>
samsung is the exception to the rule
<lvrp16>
the korean system has a lot of merits
<Rambler45>
Well, the NAND inside of this is per my belief.
<Rambler45>
They have use Samsung chips and re-flash their controller.
<Rambler45>
Do I need to have a thermal pad on the SoC to attach a heatsink? Lying it on there probably won't work.
<Rambler45>
I seem to recall thermal compound was used between heatsinks and SoC
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<KotCzarny>
if you can mount it so it wont fall off you can use any thermal compound
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<KotCzarny>
otherwise you are limited to dual sided sticky thermal pads
<KotCzarny>
and you can of course run cpu burn and compare
<Rambler45>
Well, my idea was that I heard SoCs needed to be covered fully in thermal compound or PC builders would get in trouble
<Rambler45>
So you can be generous on the dose as long as its not conductive when it flows over to the PCB
<Rambler45>
I wondered if that meant the heatsink wont lead heat away without it
<Rambler45>
But it should probably do so, and yeah it helps with keeping it on.
<KotCzarny>
it would, but you will have much air without much chance to move
<KotCzarny>
which could make things worse
<KotCzarny>
you can try running your board vertically
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<KotCzarny>
it will make it cooling by air much more efficient because of convection
<Rambler45>
I took their case though
<Rambler45>
So air nah
<KotCzarny>
add some strategic holes?
<Rambler45>
With that said, thanks for the idea! I can use the back mount and hang it up sideways. Will look pretty nice too. Haven't done that with baords before but pretty much all mobos are sideways.
<KotCzarny>
and as i also said, measure temps before and after
<Rambler45>
You can see the holes the case has on top is pretty much only for GPIO
<KotCzarny>
also, you can add 1mm spacers on the screws on one side so there will be free air move
<Rambler45>
can use tweezers to put on those heatsinks
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<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Any heatsink is better than convection. Didn't thought that before but by simply measuring the effects it's obvious.
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<KotCzarny>
tkaiser, good convection is bettor for any config, even for heatsinks
<Rambler45>
I think it will be okay with this case and the heatsinks below as per my picture
<KotCzarny>
yeah
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: It really doesn't matter that much. You will get 1-2¡C difference based on convection and 10-15¡C using a heatsink (applies to H3 or A64)
<Rambler45>
If it gets heat problems can always add thermal compound between the SoC and heatsink hang it up sideways like you suggested. Don't have the spacers
<Rambler45>
then again the case probably has a direct impact or does the heat flow through it? I think some kinds of plastic can be good for thermal conductivity to some degree
<KotCzarny>
my bet is on air duct config
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<Rambler45>
its mainly so you dont have to touch the board each time you handle it, surely you know how it is to drag it around.
<KotCzarny>
my opipc just hangs on the wires ;)
<Rambler45>
Adding spring washers on the four screws to let air flow?
<KotCzarny>
and i've put bpi-r1 with 18650 and 2 hdds into microatx case
<KotCzarny>
and my bpi-m1 is in all-metal box
<Rambler45>
I've got recucled aluminum cases.
<Rambler45>
recycled
<Rambler45>
I could fit three boards in it
<KotCzarny>
i've used pc case because of hdds
<Rambler45>
A10?
<KotCzarny>
ah, right, and because of meanwell rd-65a power brick
<KotCzarny>
a20
<Rambler45>
well, as long as it's real SATA.
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<KotCzarny>
hard to call it real, good enough at most
<Rambler45>
better than SATA-to-USB
<Rambler45>
then lets plug it in raspberry pi
<KotCzarny>
uasp bridges are pretty good
<Rambler45>
the one that doesnt handle 100 megabit/s even because weak everything
<lennyraposo>
I will also host your image(s) here too
<lennyraposo>
and the wiki is going to be cleaned up
<lennyraposo>
as they seem to be providing an older build build pre 2gb ethernet fix
<longsleep>
lennyraposo: btw, can you improve of your versioning scheme for downloads and docs
<longsleep>
lennyraposo: it would be great if you would keep the names of the image files as they are and include version information everywhere
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<lennyraposo>
I certainly can
<lennyraposo>
as you knwo it hs been a work in progress
<lennyraposo>
right now the downloads sections is manually handled
<lennyraposo>
but I want to make it more entry based
<longsleep>
lennyraposo: yes, also your rootfs'es they all lack version or date when created, get rid of the bsp version and have your own version number. for my images please use mine and it would be good if you also would host the signature file so people can validate that these are indeed images from me
<lennyraposo>
that's for my next image release
<lennyraposo>
and I have been using your images for BSP kernel ;)
<lennyraposo>
all scripts included too
<lennyraposo>
except for your last creation the fix everythign one