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<robogoat> So I am looking at all the "Orange Pi" pages on the wiki, and I don't think any of them are the PC, because they all seem to have a FEL mode switch, which I don't think the PC has.
<robogoat> But for boards that mostly have the same hardware, it is going to be kind of terrible to keep all of them up to date I think,
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<ssvb> robogoat: you can start by creating a wiki page for orange pi pc ;-)
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<robogoat> ssvb: First initial steps at a wiki page. Took some pictures, even. http://linux-sunxi.org/Orange_Pi_PC
<TheLinuxBug> robogoat: The Orange Pi documented on the site is/was the A20 version, not the newer H3 boards
<TheLinuxBug> though it looks like you figured that out
<robogoat> TheLinuxBug: There were already a couple on H3 boards mentioned with WIP device pages,
<robogoat> But they both had SATA,WiFi, FEL switches.
<robogoat> None of which the OpiPC seems to have.
<robogoat> There is one switch, but I haven't figured out what it does yet :]
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<mpmctoo> robogoat: Thanks for creating that page, Some info there that I've never come across.
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<mripard> robogoat: taking jemk patches, applying on top of linux-next, addressing the reviews and posting a new version of the patches would help
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<wens> ijc: does debian role its kernel config from multi_v7?
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<tsanummy> Hi, does anyone know a way to launch livesuit from command line with parameters? or something that would help automate the flashing process?
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<ijc> wens: No, it comes from our own baseline config (common to all arches) plus various levels of arch and flavour specific settings. I can find you some pointers if you like, but in general "find debian/config -name config\*" should give you a pretty good clue. The files named "defines" contain the settings as to which snippets to combine.
<tsanummy> I'm just looking to start the program with a image already set, so I can script multiple parallel flashing processes with few inputs
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<wens> ijc: was wondering what the policy was for critical drivers, like PMICs and busses used to talk to PMICs
<wens> ijc: mripard suggested we make the axp20x drivers tristate, to make multiplatform kernels smaller
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<ijc> wens: We want to be modular wherever possible, but accept that this is not always possible (even if the symbol is a tristate)
<wens> ok, thx
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<wens> mripard: looks like the allwinner uarts have a flag to disable the dw LCR glitch
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<mripard> wens: which glitch ?
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<libv> rellla: so i take it that you think that the new manual build section is an improvement?
<libv> then it is time to adjust the example page
<rellla> libv: yes i think it's a clarification. and a few others thought so as well ...
<libv> rellla: ok, i did not see any feedback on either irc or email
<rellla> we should also remove the http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubietech_Cubietruck#Images HW-Pack BSP headers, if unused ...
<rellla> this is what me confuses.
<libv> rellla: so perhaps remove images, bsp and hwpack from everywhere?
<rellla> libv: seems i missed that disussion on irc. and for ml - too lazy to answer yet ;)
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<rellla> maybe move images to the bottom - where links are summarized.
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<rellla> is anybody using bsp and hw-pack at all?
<libv> oliv3r uses the bsp
<libv> not sure whether he does still
<NiteHawk> it may be relevant to very new devices lacking other support than the vendor's? couldn't it be integrated below "manufacturer images"?
<libv> NiteHawk: bsp, hwpack and images are/were all sunxi based
<NiteHawk> ah okay - i see
<libv> this is a secondary source of confusion
<libv> people love sticking non-sunxi stuff in the images section under sunxi support
<libv> and there are actually very few devices which have one or more of those three sections filled in at all
<NiteHawk> i think with other SoCs, bsp and hwpack frequently address vendor-provided stuff?
<libv> yeah, and initially we tried to provide similar known things to make it easier for average joe user
<rellla> i would drop these two sections and summarize the info under http://linux-sunxi.org/Hwpack and http://linux-sunxi.org/BSP
<NiteHawk> (understandable, especially if the vendor fails to provide anything useful :P)
<libv> or perhaps mark them as optional in the device page example
<libv> and remove them from all pages that have them empty at this time
<rellla> yes. What is so device-specific on "Generating a HW pack for the cubieboard is easily done with the sunxi-bsp and well supported."
<rellla> why not add a easy-to-maintain list on the hw-pack site directly
<rellla> ?
<libv> yet another reason to not go watch back to the future 1-3 tonight, and instead do some wiki work :)
<libv> do we have a useful hw-pack page?
<libv> i never used it so i never worked that page
<rellla> i watched my recorded part one yesterday....
<rellla> and the last 5min weren't recorded :p - ouch
<libv> rellla: blasphemy. you should do so today!
<rellla> i never used that page(s), too
<libv> so, first step: mark those sections as optional and throw them out of all the device pages that get reworked (when they are empty)
<libv> we can later on see whether we still wish to mention it on the device page example
<libv> this will give those users of hwpack/bsp ample warning and a chance to complain (and fix things as well :p)
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<rellla> as i am a friend of tables, what about something like that http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Rellla/test
<rellla> we have the info box, the pictures section and the build config - which should have the same layout on each device page.
<rellla> too many headers are confusing and it's harder to find the information imo
<libv> rellla: that is way too hard to write or to add caveats to
<libv> rellla: when we have dropped the images/bsp/hw-pack sections completely, we will remove one level of sections
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<rellla> libv: agree with the caveats. but it's neatly arranged
<libv> you also loose the ability to provide a direct link to the relevant section
<libv> things will be better when we remove the images/bsp/hwpack sections
<rellla> i agree with NiteHawk to put all the images into the manufacturer images section at the end - or rename that section to simply "Prebuilt images"
<rellla> most of them are vendor provided or 3rd party user images
<rellla> sunxi based but not sunxi driven
<libv> i personally think that we need to separate between community built images based on sunxi and vendor or shitpi community created images
<libv> rellla: let's take this one step at a time, and make the other sections optional, and then see how many pages remain
<libv> s/remain/still have those other sections mentioned/
<NiteHawk> actually we already have separate sections for (community?) "images" and "manufacturer images", so they could go whereever appropriate
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<rellla> how is a "community" image defined?
<NiteHawk> as being sunxi-related/provide or using sunxi code? http://linux-sunxi.org/Device_Page_example#Images - i'll be the first to admit that this distinction cannot be made 100% in every case (with some vendors cloning large portions of the codebase)
<rellla> imo there is NO community image. there are images from community friendly users, that base on the linux-sunxi work.
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<rellla> but probably that are vendor images, too...
<rellla> and "community" image lets user joe think, it is maintained by linux-sunxi community...
<rellla> i would throw them all together ;)
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<alexxy> hi all
<alexxy> did anyone tryed to use grub2 ontop of u-boot on cubie* systems?
<premoboss> alexxy, grub on cubie?
<alexxy> yep
<premoboss> why? and overall: how?
<alexxy> grub supposed to be able to run ontop of u-boot
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<alexxy> at least some other arm systems uses it
<alexxy> like jetson k1
<premoboss> supposed by who? there is a proof of that?
<premoboss> do you have a link?
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<premoboss> i wish to see.
<alexxy> for example
<alexxy> also there are some linaro pages
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<premoboss> give me time to see
<alexxy> ok
<libv> what advantage does grub bring?
<libv> does it know how to talk to uboot consoles?
<premoboss> i dot see vantage to have grob, more, il that site itreport kernel must be on the uSD.
<ssvb> libv: I guess, it's an initiative to eventually replace U-Boot with UEFI on ARM - https://wiki.linaro.org/LEG/Engineering/Grub2
<libv> how could it talk to a uboot console, uboot is gone at the time
<libv> it could be made smart about simplefb, but that is about it
<premoboss> uefi is a cancer, better to stay away from it
<ssvb> premoboss: well, resistance is futile, corporate overlords will force you to do whatever they want in the end
<premoboss> ssvb, resistence is NOT futile, out there there are skilled people able to do they own arm board avoiding uefi
<libv> i really do not see the advantage of grub at this time, if you cannot use a console of some sort
<ssvb> premoboss: yes, as long as they can get SoCs without mandatory trusted/secure/whatever-other-bullshit injected in the boot sequence, otherwise they are screwed
<premoboss> ssvb, next step will be opencores on fpga. resistence is never futile: never.
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<ssvb> premoboss: yes, but this will cost a fortune and only attract a few geeks :)
<ssvb> premoboss: and of course, there is also legislation, which can be always adjusted to outlaw some practices disliked by corporations
<premoboss> until one last geek will be, hope will be.
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<ssvb> robogoat: Thanks a lot for the Orange Pi PC wiki page! It is expected to provide answers to the most common questions and help a lot to reduce the irc noise :)
<ssvb> robogoat: btw, I have also ordered Orange Pi PC a few days ago, don't know how fast they are usually shipping it though
<ssvb> robogoat: but as soon as it arrives, I hope to do some work to get it supported too
<mripard> ssvb: I ordered one last saturday, it's been shipped on monday
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<T0mW> wow, only $39 for that Orange Pi
<wens> mripard: writing into LCR while its busy raises interrupt glitch
<plaes> wat?
<plaes> wow
<T0mW> ssvb: thanks, even $39 is amazing
<ssvb> plaes: I have no idea, maybe they are currently selling it at a loss just to build up a user base
<plaes> yeah, probably
<NiteHawk> btw rellla: you're on some wall of shame... http://linux-sunxi.org/Special:BrokenRedirects
<rellla> pah. what was this for?? deleted ...
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<NiteHawk> ;) thx.
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<libv> did we all just probed by thopiekar, or was that just me?
<libv> i just got ctcp versioned by him
<libv> and if anyone else here puts up his hand, thopiekar gets kickbanned.
<thopiekar> libv: Sorry, I just miss typed. I just wanted to make a whois, because I wanted to look whether you are the libv I saw recently on GitHub working on mali-kernel, etc.
<thopiekar> *mistyped
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<jemk> hm, something has gone wrong with git send-email...
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<mripard> jemk: indeed :)
<mripard> jemk: next time, try to use -v to have the version number in the prefix
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<libv> rellla, NiteHawk: updated example page
<libv> we can remove the other sections and the extra level of sections in spring, when noone complains
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