Turl changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development discussion - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait! - See http://linux-sunxi.org | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/ | Logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi | #blameOliver
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<apo> wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to bc:ae:c5:c4:b8:f2 completed [id=0 id_str=]
<apo> heck yeah.
<apo> oh yeah, is it just me or does the cubietruck get a new MAC address every time it boots? >_>
<wens_> doesn't that happen with emac on cb/cb2 as well?
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<apo> wens: Dunno, I only have CT
<apo> not that I mind much, I can just enter a MAC in my net config. Just thought it was odd.
<pfdm> yes , check your date time is correct
<apo> it is.
<pfdm> I've seen it on my cb2, i thought it was related to my clock, unless something as changed in the last kernel i'm using.
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<pfdm> apo: sorry...must be tired...misread...MAC address...i don't think so for my cb2.
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<Turl> there's no mac address on the hardware itself, you can set a permanent one by passing a kernel parameter or adjusting it on script.bin
<Turl> http://linux-sunxi.org/EMAC for the details
<Turl> good night!
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<montjoie[home]> I see more and more people wanting the driver for the security system, I need to hurry to finish it:)
<montjoie[home]> and good news AES support is near finished, I will could release soon
<JohnDoe_71Rus> don't hurry. haste, makes waste (russian saying)
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<apo> montjoie[home]: Gotta go fast! --Sonic
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<Sonicadvance1> apo: Old age has gotten to him, he hasn't gone fast in a couple decades
<apo> Sonicadvance1: hush
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<libv> hrm, the debian-arm ml is really not for those who want to get work done.
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<arokux> ping oliv3r
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<codekipper> Hi all
<codekipper> I was wondering if anybody is looking at the sound driver?
<codekipper> I've seen that wingrime is adding functionality for sun7i but I was thinking about tidying it up
<codekipper> I was also wondering if anybody is using spdif as I've been unable to get it working
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<oliv3r> arokux: pong
<arokux> oliv3r: you've got cb2, right?
<oliv3r> codekipper: it 'should' work fine for most
<oliv3r> arokux: yeah
<arokux> oliv3r: can you please try to reproduce this? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm.sunxi/3973
<arokux> oliv3r: with latest sunxi-3.4
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<arokux> oliv3r: the issue seems to be affecting only high speed usb devices, make sure you have used those.
<oliv3r> not soon
<oliv3r> i haven't really used any usb devices
<oliv3r> only keyboard and mice
<oliv3r> oh and an mmc reader :)
<JohnDoe_71Rus> mmc reader can be high speed
<mnemoc> arokux: about the power thing, isn't it just about changing the code to see if there is a power pio, set a has_power variable and replace the #ifdef with that?
<codekipper> I can't seem to get it working with my xbmc build. The modules are compiled and added but I don't see any switching from hdmi in the logs
<codekipper> too be honest I don't really trust my xbmc build.
<arokux> mnemoc: I'll forward it to techn_ it's his area
<codekipper> It's my kernel with the rootfs stripped from http://guillaumeplayground.net/mele-a2000-ubuntu-12-10-armhf-nand-xbmc/
<codekipper> an external USB-DAC works fine(until I try and play an mp3)
<buZz> but ogg works?
<buZz> :P
<codekipper> not tried but can....flac works well.
<codekipper> mp3 crashes xbmc
<oliv3r> mnemoc: you speak of the enable vbus power GPIO?
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<Turl> mnemoc: ping
<mnemoc> oliv3r: yes
<mnemoc> Turl: pong
<Turl> mnemoc: do you have the logo svg handy?
<Turl> I wanted to play with inkscape :)
<mnemoc> Turl: in my dir in dl.
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: in 3.4 or in mainlien?
<arokux> oliv3r: 3.4, it is issue with wrong wiring on hackberry...
<mnemoc> oliv3r: 3.4
<mnemoc> mainline needs to handle the power pin differently
<mnemoc> but it needs to handle it
<arokux> mnemoc: btw, how can one see if "there is power pio"?
<mnemoc> check that the section has that properly, and that it's of type gpio
<arokux> mnemoc: hm.. the settings are the same in all fex and have that property, but with hackberry the hardware is strange
<mnemoc> i'm working on migrating drivers to the "new" script parsing API and a generic device handler, but not there yet
<mnemoc> arokux: but the "fix" is to remove a define.... instead of that define make an if (has_power_thingy) and then let's try to finger out when to enable it based on the fex section data
<mnemoc> even if we have to invent a new field
<arokux> mnemoc: I see. adding something *new* into fex could of course help
<mnemoc> first getting rid of the #ifdef
<arokux> any idea who is donating an A31 board?
<arokux> :)
<mnemoc> the pengpod guy might be interested
<arokux> drachensun - he is not here atm
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<arokux> Turl: why 16?
<mnemoc> Turl: sunxi?
<arokux> imho, sunxi should be on the logo
<mnemoc> arokux: aw16xx is the internal name
<arokux> i.e. the word "sunxi"
<arokux> mnemoc: of what?
<Turl> arokux: all the models are AW16XX
<Turl> of sunxi
<oliv3r> mnemoc: mainline handles it 'quite fine' via the dtb if implemented properly :)
<oliv3r> 3.4 should be able to handle it via script.bin imo
<mnemoc> arokux: of all armv7a allwinner sunNi families
<arokux> oliv3r: ... it is hardware issue.
<oliv3r> wrong gpio for the power pin?
<oliv3r> inverted gpio?
<arokux> oliv3r: not sure, gpios seem to be correct, but interfere with each other
<mnemoc> oliv3r: from what i've seen there is an #ifdef some vendors are supposed to #define to work around issues
<mnemoc> so we need to get rid of that and turn the "choice" into .fex/.dtb
<oliv3r> hmm, strange
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<arokux> mnemoc: ?
<oliv3r> that obviously yeah
<arokux> mnemoc: "some" -- how many you know?
<oliv3r> if there's certain hardware driver hacks needed; a flag of some sort needs to be in the dtb
<oliv3r> 'quirck'
<mnemoc> arokux: ethernet had the same #define NEEDS_POWER_OR_SIMILAR thing
<arokux> +1
<mnemoc> arokux: and we had the same issue until we alterned the driver to use the existance of _power in .fex to decide
<mnemoc> also with the hackberry :p
<arokux> imho, we should stick to the single "brand", like sunxi, everybody knows it already, introducing aw16xx will cause only confusion
<mnemoc> Turl: good. now the other to generate a sunxi favicon :p
<mnemoc> totally agree. in mainline it's already mach-sunxi, not mach-aw
<arokux> mnemoc: i'm not sure it is similar. ethernet just needs power to be enabled, in the case of the usb issue there is a "workaround" needed
<mnemoc> and we all tell sunx6i, not aw1653 (or whatever)
<mnemoc> arokux: workarounds are fine, but .fex/.dts driven
<arokux> mnemoc: yep, I just wanted to emphasize that this seems to be different from emac
<mnemoc> :)
<Turl> the AW16XX was just for fun :p I didn't intend to use it
<arokux> we say sun6i, not sunx6i :p
<mnemoc> for me it's similar because it's about vendors hardcoding crap into their private trees
<Turl> mnemoc: you just need me to export on 32x32?
<mnemoc> arokux: err. typo :p
<mnemoc> Turl: there are two .svgs to keep the text readable in 32x32
<mnemoc> (less black margin)
<arokux> mnemoc: I think hackberry guys never hardcoded something, the buggy kernel just happened to work for their buggy hardware -- this is my feeling.
<mnemoc> arokux: #define MY_CRAP_NEEDS_POWER_HACK <---- hardcode
<mnemoc> if (this_crap_needs_power_hack) <--- programmatic
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<Turl> how readable is it? http://i.imgur.com/rdjB76c.png
<Turl> I think something like this will be better
<Turl> or maybe a big S
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<Turl> mnemoc: arokux http://i.imgur.com/fS09uoO.png ?
<arokux> sunxi isn't readable at all
<arokux> normally ppl just have some kind of image
<arokux> but what image can be associated with allwinner? :)
<mnemoc> I had two different .svg files for that reason ;-)
<arokux> they have logo
<Turl> "S" in another font
<arokux> imho S gives no clue
<arokux> but the last S is better
<Turl> S from sunxi
<Turl> dunno really if we want an aw favicon :P
<arokux> no, we probably do not
<arokux> i was just interested to see what they have
<arokux> well, google has g in his favicon too.. :)
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<mnemoc> Turl: try a bold SUNXI with minimal black frame for the favicon
<Turl> mnemoc: I tried and posted it ^
<mnemoc> arokux: google is G too
<mnemoc> we are not S
<Turl> really I couldn't distinguish anything
<Turl> if you don't want S, AW is second best I'd say
<Turl> all ok if I swap the wiki logo with http://i.imgur.com/3KgYw0f.png ?
<arokux> yes :)
<mnemoc> +1, but keep the transparency ;-)
<mnemoc> [AW] might work
<mnemoc> replacing the current 1X with W
<arokux> what about just a black chip for favicon?
<mnemoc> also fair
<mnemoc> or [x] :p
<arokux> do not really want to have AW, this distracts from our brand: sunxi
<mnemoc> to make it less boring
<mnemoc> X ?
<arokux> why X?
<mnemoc> sunNi -> sunxi ... X
<mnemoc> and less boring than a black chip
<arokux> not sure, but probably better than S
<mnemoc> S is ... samsung :|
<popolon> sXi
<Turl> ah mnemoc
<popolon> :)
<Turl> mnemoc: forgot to tell you the other day when I noticed
<Turl> mnemoc: wiki file upload seems fubar'd
<mnemoc> ow
<Turl> mnemoc: I get "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the filename. Please check whether you really want to upload this file."
<mnemoc> none 300M 300M 0 100% /tmp
<mnemoc> nice
<Turl> I guess that explains it :p
<popolon> X what up a S, left a u, bottom a n and right a i
<popolon> ?
<mnemoc> is sXi readable?
<popolon> hard to read on a screen
<Turl> what's sXi?
<popolon> favicon
<popolon> SunXi
<mnemoc> sunXi
<popolon> just another idea :)
<popolon> X is already used by X(11/org/windows)
<Turl> sXi makes me think of SGI
<mnemoc> X inside a chip, not just an X
<popolon> mee too :)
<Turl> a pure black chip wouldn't be that bad of an idea :p
<mnemoc> Turl: fair point
<popolon> Turl, yes
<mnemoc> ok, empty chip
<popolon> Allwinner use a A+W pasted together
<arokux> the famous russian designer was asked to design this page
<arokux> this russian google
<popolon> works again ?
<mnemoc> Turl: /tmp is empty but still 100%..... and tmpfs... wtf
<arokux> then he needed to convince them to pay money for his design :)
<mnemoc> Turl: reboot?
<popolon> didn't work few month ago, i beileve
<Turl> mnemoc: how big is it?
<mnemoc> 300M
<mnemoc> none /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime,size=307200k 0 0
<Turl> and full when empty?
<popolon> do you still have free memory ?
<mnemoc> Turl: yes
<Turl> mnemoc: check if no hidden files
<mnemoc> popolon: 1.5G in use of 24GB of physicial ram ;-)
<popolon> ok :)
<Turl> mnemoc: maybe all lxc assigned mem was used?
<Turl> dunno how that is handled
<popolon> I seen that one or two weeks ago by an awstat script runing at 100% cpu since few hours on a server
<mnemoc> Turl: i'm not restricting it in any way
<mnemoc> Turl: just a chroot with pid1 and own ip
<Turl> mnemoc: try dropping caches before rebooting
<mnemoc> Turl: how? :p
<Turl> echo 3|sudo tee /proc/vm/something/drop_caches
<Turl> or /sys, I never remember the right path
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<mnemoc> /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
<mnemoc> still 100% used :/
<mnemoc> and I can't remount it within the lxc :|
<mnemoc> so, quick reboot
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<lkcl> libv: apologies!
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<Turl> mnemoc: I don't see it mounted
<popolon> is there an application at top that could be in wrong state or consume too much resources ?
<mnemoc> sunxi-mw@maxima:~$ cat /proc/mounts | grep tmp
<mnemoc> none /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime,size=307200k 0 0
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<lkcl> libv: i have nooo idea. if you do a follow-up with corrections that would help :)
<Turl> mnemoc: are you looking at maxima?
<lkcl> libv: i'll try to remember for next time
<mnemoc> Turl: what does the hostname in my PS1 tell? :p
<Turl> ah, fail, it's mounted
* Turl is blind
<mnemoc> you have to stop that naughty habit....
<Turl> ok, it rebooted :p
<Turl> brb
<mnemoc> none 300M 0 300M 0% /tmp
<mnemoc> better :)
<mnemoc> nice thing with containers is that they reboot FAST :p
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<Turl> yeah, because it's already in cache :p
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<libv> lkcl: :)
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<Turl> ok mnemoc, f5 the wiki :)
<Turl> mnemoc: is the favicon just a file or wiki stored?
<mnemoc> file
<mnemoc> but there might be a rewrite involved to send a .png instead of .ico
<mnemoc> location = /favicon.ico { rewrite ^ /favicon.png? permanent; }
<Turl> ok, both replaced :)
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<mnemoc> /favicon.ico is never read... nginx rewrites the request
<Turl> with both I meant wiki logo & favicon.png
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<Turl> fuuuu pvr
<Turl> nvm, I just remembered it's not a pvr but an adreno :|
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<mnemoc> Turl: thanks!
<mnemoc> btw, any recommended tool to benchmark an SD card from command line?
<Turl> mnemoc: you're welcome :)
<Turl> mnemoc: hdparm? dd?
<Turl> what kind of benchmark?
<mnemoc> got a sandisk extreme card claiming 80MB/s and would like to see what's the real performance
<mnemoc> dd is kind of... meh
<mnemoc> i thought there was a kind of "test suit" checking different file sizes, etc
<mnemoc> suite*
<Turl> mnemoc: something like bonnie/bonnie++ or iozone?
<mnemoc> /dev/sdb: Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.04 seconds = 17.08 MB/sec
<mnemoc> hahaha... nice 80MB/s
<Turl> mnemoc: are you using a USB card reader?
<mnemoc> laptop's internal
<Turl> so you're using a USB card readr
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<Turl> reader* :p
<mnemoc> yes :)
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<Turl> mnemoc: no way you'll get more than 30MB/s then :p
<mnemoc> i hope my camera can do better with it than my laptop
<Turl> is it UHS?
<mnemoc> yes
<mnemoc> f* german customs charged me VAT for importing from CH :/
<Turl> your PC probably isn't
<Turl> if your camera is UHS it's probably going to be fine and do the 80MB/s :p
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<mnemoc> dsc hx50v
<mnemoc> claims UHS-1
<mnemoc> gnex's camera is just useless
<Turl> does the camera support msc or just ptp to transfer the pics?
<mnemoc> haven't tried usb yet...
<Turl> benchmarking through it would be a better experiment
<mnemoc> .oO
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<Turl> 30x optical, nice
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<mnemoc> and better macro than my phone :p
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<mnemoc> the pictures I took from the itead kit were shameful
<Turl> actually it was okay for pictures :p but video was horrible
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<Turl> mnemoc: what's wrong with those pics?
<Turl> they're decent
<mnemoc> ...
<mnemoc> i'll take a picture of my CT (when I get my "lab" in shape) with my new camera and you can compare
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<Turl> mnemoc: ok
<Turl> but I can read the board markings even, it's not bad
<mnemoc> right. it could be worse
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* slapin thinks what to do while "it is compiling"...
<Turl> shineworld: http://xkcd.com/303/
<slapin> Turl: not excuse in my case, but I can't find a partner for a good swordfight on office chairs...
<slapin> Turl: wanted to get an argument with student about bringing cofee, but she brought one without arguing
<slapin> BOOORING!
* slapin wants to polish some wiki article...
<mnemoc> charming student :)
<slapin> mnemoc: they never stop surprising me
<mripard> we accept interns :)
<oliv3r> slapin: write a template for bitfields
<oliv3r> avr manual pdf's are good example on how it should be
<oliv3r> mripard: unpayed ones?
<slapin> oliv3r: I probably not good enough wiki-wise...
<mripard> oliv3r: if they do the coffee, we can work something out :)
<oliv3r> mripard: lol
<slapin> oliv3r: I'd prefer something less challenging, as my mind is blowing from recent old stuf maintenance activity
<Turl> mripard: I may consider your offer in a couple of years ;)
<slapin> oliv3r: some no-brainer
<atsampson> slapin: the phrase you're after is "I hope you brought enough for everybody" ;-)
<mnemoc> slapin: are you allowed to drink a coffee with such charming female students?
<slapin> mripard: will work for food and accomodation :)
<atsampson> (although I did have a student ask me if I wanted coffee when he went to get one in my lab yesterday...)
<slapin> mnemoc: students are as bored as me at the moment cause I don't have tasks for them right now, and to tired to think
<Turl> slapin: give them some tricky algorythmic question that'll let them thinking
<mripard> oliv3r: that being said, in france, when the internship is longer than 2 months, the law requires interns to be paid more than something around 420€ a month
<mripard> and we usually pay more than that
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<slapin> atsampson: I am not evil, I like that I'm not alone here, as there is always some people who hear whatever I say, so I don't want to frighten them
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<slapin> Turl: I've alredy given them task on reading about IEEE802.15.4 and still a lot of consequences arise, so now I just give simple 2-4 hour tasks
<slapin> Turl: girls already doing me a lot making all my paperwork and reports
<Turl> slapin: I was told to "sort 2000 32-bit unique numbers fed to you in a serial way from higher to lower in 1 pass using at most 512 bytes" once, it got me thinking for a while :p
<Turl> I think that was the full problem
<slapin> Turl: as they are free to leave and visit as they want to, it is my interest to give them tasks that keep them interested
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<slapin> Turl: ah, I think ubuntu installation will be task enough for today
<Turl> slapin: what are they studying?
<slapin> Turl: it might be called CS, but light version... difficult to translate...
<Turl> slapin: software engineering?
<Turl> or systems engineering maybe
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<slapin> Turlnot really, they specialize as some office monkey who can use office apps, basic (lang) programming, somewhat heavy math but not systematic enough, etc.
<slapin> Turl:
<Turl> systems analyst
<slapin> Turl: but they also learn algorithm theory, and lots like this
<slapin> Turl: they consider work like accounter so something, or shop manager
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<slapin> Turl: but really not decided yet
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<Turl> hm, nothing like that over here then, at least as a bundle
<mnemoc> sedgewick's algorithms in C is awesome
<mnemoc> specially the volume dedicated to graphs
<Turl> graphs hmm
<slapin> Turl: I recommend to get some more specialized education and go aboard, but they don't want to, they plan to marry and grow kids.
<Turl> we're seeing that, but using python :p
<mnemoc> but love skiena's algorithms design manual (v2) too
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<Turl> slapin: how is gender distribution for that kind of studies?
<slapin> Turl: 90% females
<mnemoc> :o
<Turl> over here everything IT/CS related tends to have the opposite
<slapin> Turl: guys, if come, just not interested to work here, preferring more fruitful places
<mnemoc> when I studied we were like 300 men and 10 women (in my generation)
<slapin> Turl: this is not really IT, not true IT at least
<mnemoc> luckily the nurse school was just 100m away :p
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<Turl> mnemoc: haha
<slapin> Turl: we have lack of women here (IT company) so this compensates
<mnemoc> catch some interns :p
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<slapin> mnemoc: we had not, so this mess was created
<sspiff> Hi, I've got an old A10 tablet lying around, and I'd like to get some kind of Linux (debian would be great, but it doesn't really matter) running on it
<sspiff> can all A10 tablets boot from SD?
<Turl> yes, they can
<slapin> as I see now from experience, the balanced gender distribution creates healthy atmosphere at work, so it is often to employ girls just for gender as it eases tension (and less socks and remains of fastfood on tables)
<Turl> hah
<sspiff> Are there instructions somewhere to be found on how to set up an SD and create an RFS & kernel with all the shiny open source drivers?
<slapin> sspiff: wiki, but you will need script.bin
<n01> slapin: socks?
<slapin> n01: socks
<sspiff> what's script.bin for and where can you get one?
<slapin> sspiff: nanda
<n01> what about socks
<slapin> n01: no more socks on tables
<slapin> and windows are open in time
<slapin> and all lamps replaced
<slapin> and all broken chairs tossed
<Turl> hmm, lamps
<Turl> I need to replace one
<n01> lol why you should have socks on tables
<slapin> n01: well, you will never understand
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<slapin> n01: sometimes you need to dry them
<n01> that's nasty
<slapin> n01: how would you do it in office?
<slapin> n01: nasty yes, so the practice was stopped thanks to girls' reactions
<slapin> n01: as nobody cared before
<Turl> haha
<Turl> n01: no balcony?
<Turl> err slapin ^
<n01> no boots when it rains?
<slapin> Turl: and solid windows with tiny french window-like holes, where people used to set their jeans to dry (after bycicle ride)
<Turl> does it rain that much that you need boots?
<slapin> n01: there was boots dryer involved, but it broke, so plain radiators are used for boots (in corridors)
<sspiff> thanks, Turl
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<sspiff> how is support for the A20?
<oliv3r> mripard: that sounds very reasonable
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<mripard> oliv3r: it depends
<oliv3r> slapin: i need a IEEE802.15.4 433 MHz enabled SPI radio chip
<mripard> for example, engineering studies are ended with a 6 month internship, where you work as an engineer
<shineworld> Turl, :)
<mripard> being paid 400€ for that is just an insult :)
<Turl> mnemoc: we had a "professional practice", which is just an internship, don't recall how long
<Turl> fuu irssi
<Turl> mripard: ^
<Turl> have*
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<Turl> sspiff: it's not 100% complete, but it's usable for the most part
<BluesBoy> ssvb, did you test sreen rotation with fbturbo ?
<dack> arokux: techn_: Did you guys have anything you wanted me to test on the Hackberry?
<arokux> dack: not yet, for the time being you can live with that two lines removed, it worked then, right?
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<arokux> mnemoc: do you happen to have an A31 board in you pile of the boards? :p
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<arokux> mnemoc: a spare one.. ;)
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<oliv3r> mripard: yeah but here, sometimes you can get payed zero :)
<oliv3r> mripard: i did my internship at philips, they had fixed salaries, not much different from that
<arokux> Turl: what was decided about the logo and favicon? :)
<Turl> arokux: they're both live, go check them out
<oliv3r> ney need some color
<oliv3r> make them rainbow colored!
<arokux> Turl: favicon isn't changed
<Turl> arokux: it is, but your browser cached it
<arokux> Turl: after a long fight and losing some valuable info I've got them refreshed...
<Montjoie> hello, does someone here, is experienced with BIDRECTIONNAL DMA ?
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<slapin> arokux: Shit-Reload or Ctrl-F5 didn't work?
<arokux> no.. not just after them
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<slapin> arokux: and what really valuable can be in browser cache?
<slapin> favicon is black square, is it normal?
<arokux> slapin: i had lots of pinned tabs open, after I've restarted (which I never do, it only crashes) they were not restored, now I've fixed it.
<slapin> ah
<arokux> slapin: yes the black square was the best idea, but if you have a better one.... :)
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<slapin> no, I can't care for favicons as I barely see what is on them
<arokux> slapin: that was the point to remove the text from it and only leave a chip
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<PulkoMandy> I have extracted the bootinfo and script.bin: http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/DitterR8/
<PulkoMandy> not sure what to do now
<arokux> why is it sold with a mouse?
<dack> arokux: yeah, removing those 2 lines is enough for me right now. ;)
<PulkoMandy> arokux: it would be useless without one, it's the onpy input device
<PulkoMandy> (but I used a wired one instead... their mouse needs an USB wireless dongle anyway)
<arokux> PulkoMandy: yeah, but I would expect users to buy one by themselves...
<PulkoMandy> that would double the price :>
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<Turl> arokux: are you bored? :)
<arokux> Turl: me? why? :)
<Turl> I have a uboot patch for sun7i that needs testing :p
<kz1> Has anyone here come across a board that has two ethernet ports and/or coaxial i/o ?
<arokux> Turl: will gladly test it for you. chances are high I wont manage it tonight, but tomorrow for sure.
<Turl> kz1: the SoC has support for just 1 ethernet, so if it were to have two it'd be on the USB bus
<Turl> well, maybe except for a20 which has both emac and gmac, but nobody has made such a board
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<mnemoc> Turl: btw, hipboi confirmed emac and gmac can work at the same time
<Turl> kz1: there are non-sunxi devices with >1 ethernets though
<Turl> mnemoc: great :)
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<Turl> arokux: ok, np :)
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<kz1> I'm looking at the a20 now
<kz1> I would like to use sunxi because I am already working with it for another project so I might be able to kill two birds with one stone
<arokux> Turl: you've also promised to give my latest usb patches (for mainline) a shot :p
<Turl> arokux: I know
<kz1> do you think it is a rational thing to attempt?
<Turl> arokux: I got sidetracked with mbus and uboot though :P
<Turl> kz1: if you're going to design your own board, I don't think routing a second phy can be that much extra work can it?
<Turl> (I'm no EE so I dunno :))
<arokux> and Olimex has published their schematics, they can be probably just extended?
<kz1> that's the plan but I am secretely hoping that someone else has already started
<kz1> I was looking at that route
<Turl> you could talk with Tsvetan too, I think olimex does custom hardware too
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<Turl> libv: are you around?
<libv> Turl: yup
<Turl> libv: what linaro rootfs would you recommend?
<Turl> libv: I need something with a gui (anything) preinstalled
<libv> Turl: alip is pretty lightweight and comes with lightdm and lxde
<Turl> libv: do you recall the version number?
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<Turl> releases.linaro.org is a pain to navigate
<Turl> 13.08 seems to have an alip raring image, I'll use that
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<Turl> thanks libv
<libv> Turl: so far, any has worked
<libv> Turl: and you can apt-get update
<Turl> libv: yeah, it wasn't that much for the 'will it work?' but rather the 'finding stuff in here is a pain'
<libv> Turl: yeah...
<libv> Turl: you will need to use serial to get openssh installed
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<Turl> mnemoc: hmm, no more hwpack nightlies?
<focus> Turl: not much point in having more than 1 ethernet phy - the page turn speed of DDR is 10MHz - that be the bottleneck
<mnemoc> Turl: the bsp needs to be improved to support the current u-boot, a20, mali-sunxi, etc... and different branches :|
<focus> Turl: apparently linaro builds are done by requesting. A nice request could get answered. The retention policy for images built by request is 30 days. You can make your own - but I haven't tried yet.
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<focus> there are also stable images that are released - the last stable desktop release was 12.10 or something close to that - you might be able to start there and upgrade to the latest releases - again haven't tried - i upgraded from 13.08 but classic mode is now gone - and unity doesn't work, so you can only get things like xubuntu, lubuntu and openbox window managers working
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<focus> turl: more throughput to have two A20 CPUs with ethernet each hooked to a switch - also cheap enough these days
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<focus> kz1: see my comments to Turl about ethernet
<focus> kz1: schematics and kicad files galore we be working on to make open sourced A10/A20 CPU http://www.gplsquared.com/SoM2/SoM2.html
<focus> (personally i don't believe in ownership of circuits and pcbs - the hardest part with complex PCBs is to make it *and* support it.)
<focus> e.g. iteadstudio has just released their cheaper than cubie, cubie like board - but support and info is really really crap http://blog.iteadstudio.com/
<focus> i bought 2 - can't do anything with it
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<buZz> focus: nice! are the pins 0.1" spaced?
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<focus> the main pins are i believe 0.1" arduino compatible - the sub board header pins is very tiny - smaller than 2mm
<buZz> sweet
<buZz> thats really annoying on cubieboard
<buZz> that the pins are 0.1mm apart, instead of the breadboard friendly 0.1"
<focus> buZz: these kinds of connectors easily damaged - there is a u shape metal part in the socket that grips the pin - easily works itself loose and causes misconnections all of the time
<focus> some really expensive connectors use full wrap around socket metal parts - they be best
<focus> buZz: there is a 2mm to 0.1" converter board for cubie available - dirt cheap
<buZz> right 2mm
<buZz> not 0.1mm ;)
<focus> I just wired one up today to see if i can get 800x480 LCD with touch interface - hey oliv3r - i follow your advice :)
<buZz> :)
<focus> full weekend of fun ahead! :)
<focus> buZz: the 2mm to 0.1" converter board http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/Cubie_VGA_Proto_Board
<focus> i bought 3 to play with
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<Turl> libv: yay it works
<Turl> other than the fact that my power supply is not the best and the board dies randomly
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<Turl> libv: make test on sunxi-mali fails, http://sprunge.us/hMAg
<Turl> libv: adding -lX11 fixes the build
<nove> enrico_, same Enrico from mail list?
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<arokux> focus: you mean you've bought this one? http://imall.iteadstudio.com/im130808010.html
<enrico_> nove: yes
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<kz1> focus: seems like a lot of resources just to get second nic
<nove> enrico_, the h264 encoder is just a pain, for the decoder the tracer worked acceptable because of zero copy to display
<nove> enrico_, but in the encoding, to copy the frame data to the input buffer, fills the traces with unneed things
<libv> Turl: which mali version did you install?
<Turl> libv: dunno, "make install" magic
<enrico_> is it copied internally by the encoder lib? because with my latest sample app i read 3 frames on memory just on start, then they are always reused
<Turl> libv: test works, and I'm running glxmark-es2 now
<Turl> libv: it complained about missing lima drm, to which I replied by moving the mesa stuffs as indicated on the wiki
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<nove> enrico_, yes, but the encoder program has to be written in a way to make good traces
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<libv> Turl: are you on A20?
<enrico_> nove: so even loading the frames just on start is not trace-friendly?
<nove> enrico_, and to do that is to hard to explain with words, so is better be my to write it
<nove> enrico_, is a bit complicated, i also had to remove the write of the bitstream to get completed encoded frames
<enrico_> nove: is there some doc on how to use the tracer? i tried but i didn't know what to put in some of the parameters
<nove> enrico_, anyway if you still want to help, i can submit to you patchs, instead fork fork fork
<enrico_> yes that's perfect
<nove> enrico_, is in my plan to write a howto, but the time is not helping
<enrico_> hehe np
<enrico_> just a sample command line would be helpful
<enrico_> nove: gtg, send me patches or tell me what you need and we will work it out
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<nove> was to late
<Turl> 330M for a 2GB card image of linaro, not bad
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<oliv3r> has anybody tried use embedian (or whatever embedded debian was called) with sunxi?
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<oliv3r> i tried to find an installation image to see, but can't seem to find anything interesting
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<Turl> oliv3r: unless you're using something tiiiny you'd use debian
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<oliv3r> i'm using something tiny
<oliv3r> :p
<Turl> oliv3r: seems to be stalled, they only have lenny
<oliv3r> well i like debian, but i hate the fact that even the most basic installs are like 150+ mb
<oliv3r> yeah i read that too; pitty
<Turl> oliv3r: huh, where did you get that figure from?
<oliv3r> anyway, if you compare it to openwrt, which can be as featrefull, fitting in 8-16 mb easy
<Turl> pretty sure you can make them waay more smaller, like 60M or less :)
<oliv3r> not wheezy
<oliv3r> unless you remove stuff after the intall
<Turl> s/more//
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<oliv3r> i'm almost done running a setup, only installing 'ssh server' and 'basic tools' or something
<Turl> oliv3r: pretty sure I can debootstrap a debian in 60M or less :p
<oliv3r> and /target is 724mb
<oliv3r> granted, i bet a LOT of that in in /var/cache/archives
<Turl> apt-get clean when you finish :p
<oliv3r> 2.000.000 program/erase cycles!
<oliv3r> holy cow
<Turl> oliv3r: btw, are you bored and when a cb2 handy? :p
<oliv3r> not bored and not handy :(
<Turl> oliv3r: "alldatasheet is unavailable"
<Turl> oliv3r: what's a DoM?
<oliv3r> Disk on Module
<Turl> how is it different from eg an SD card
<Turl> ?
<oliv3r> crap same link
<oliv3r> well in this case, it's old tech, it's IDE based
<oliv3r> they also have SATA disk on modules
<oliv3r> that should work
<oliv3r> back in the day, i needed to fit it inside this box, and that was all that fitted
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<oliv3r> i got 5 of these :)
<oliv3r> that didn't exist 6 years ago
<oliv3r> also they don't fit
<oliv3r> it's 44 pin ide, 'laptop' style
<oliv3r> and check the had link; it has pics
<focus_it> arokux: yes i bought 2 x http://imall.iteadstudio.com/im130808010.html but i paid $45 each i believe - it has no flash, boots off uSD - i am trying to modify its uSD so that it can boot from Sata - but no support or ideas from any of their engineers - not even a peep about how to rebuild the uSD so that you can change the boot partition
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<oliv3r> 44 pin
<oliv3r> but yeah i have one of those
<oliv3r> compact flash to 40 pin IDE connectors
<Turl> hmm, I swear the search said 40 pin laptop
<oliv3r> i wanted to use it as HTPC storage
<oliv3r> anyway, it also has to sit 'horizontal'
<Turl> oliv3r: what are these btw? thin clients?
<focus_it> 16GB
<Turl> focus_it: granted it's 16G, but dunno if I would trust my data to KingSpec :p
<focus_it> I got some serious ssds and TB disks as well - i bought those as a test to see what good will come of it - boot up speeds etc.
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<oliv3r> Turl: exactly, geode x86 366 MHz boxes
<oliv3r> i wanted to 'use' them for something, but never found a purposue :(
<oliv3r> now i got 1, mpd box at work :) they have a headphone jack
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<Turl> oliv3r: routers?
<Turl> vpn tunneling
<Turl> oliv3r: how old are they?
<focus_it> Turl: my suspicion is that something like that + gambas + sqlite3 can handle about half billion operations in about half hour - if so we have a winner :) if not, i see what its max perfomance is like
<oliv3r> 2007 i guess
<oliv3r> Turl: 100 mbit + 4 usb ports
<oliv3r> hack a day foto's should show you wat it can do :)
<oliv3r> for 'fun' i hooked it up to our work PXE server, and it even loaded the windows7 deployment image; took about 30 minutes if not more and failed of course, but it 'worked'
<oliv3r> i have booted ubuntu via a USB stick 4 years ago too :)
<Turl> focus_it: yeah, but if it dies in a week of operation it's not good :)
<Turl> oliv3r: you can run an openvpn there
<oliv3r> Turl: amongst things, yeah
<Turl> with a little of magic on routes you can have transparent proxying for pandora, hulu etc :)
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<focus_it> Turl: that be what i want to find out - i order some mSATA connectors to make boards and take mSATA ssd - see what else can be done / find out limits / best suppliers are for parts
<focus_it> things change so fast - need to keep up with evaluation work all of the time :)
<focus_it> since hobby and work is same - its double benefit! :D
<Turl> getting paid for your hobby is good :p
<Turl> but then it's not a hobby
<focus_it> YEEAAASSS!!!
<focus_it> Its still a hobby even at work
<focus_it> can't get enough of it
<oliv3r> i named it pandora!
<oliv3r> it'll be a music box, so pandora's box :)
<Turl> does anyone here play xonotic?
<focus_it> me!!!!!!!!!!!
<focus_it> Xonotic07
<focus_it> 0.7
<oliv3r> not for yars
<focus_it> i got nexuiz 2.51 as well
<focus_it> imho best of the nexuiz series
<Turl> oliv3r: install it :p
<Turl> and let's make a match some time
<Turl> I mostly suck at FPS but still get a laugh each time I play :p
<focus_it> fps the only kinds of games i like play since the days of doom
<oliv3r> i used to play doom, a LOT of duke3d; then some Day of Deafeat; later enemy territory
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<focus_it> anyone do work with e-ink displays?
<focus_it> thinking of getting 10 pieces and bang away until it works
<focus_it> has linux got e-ink drivers?
<focus_it> it seems to be a simple 8 bit bus type of display - same as TFT RGB except just one color
<focus_it> also needs +20V and -20V to drive the e-ink pixels from one color to opposite color
<focus_it> these things are nearly out of patent
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<oliv3r> i want color e-ink!
<focus_it> wall sized displays possible - even if it updates slowly who cares?!?!?!?
<oliv3r> focus_it: how much longer you recon?
<oliv3r> yeah e-ink is great
<oliv3r> slow updates don't matter
<focus_it> easy to make colour e-ink
<focus_it> each pixel is a mix of black ink + oil + white ink and two conductive plates on either side of the pixel
<focus_it> the black ink is charged positive and white ink is negative. When the plates charge up one way, the black ink shows, and when it changes opposite way the white ink shows
<focus_it> easy enough to replace the black with any pigment
<focus_it> they have color e-ink
<focus_it> even when powered off, the e-ink retains its previous colour
<focus_it> so it is possible to make wall size eink displays and even if update is slow, it matters not
<focus_it> easier than watching paint dry :)
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<focus_it> the eink 5" modules are $25 and i reckon it can be driven with standard lcd pins with some minor adjustment to electronics - adjust the color so that only one color is used say red - and then it will come out of the lcd controller on an A10 and drive the eink more or less directly
<focus_it> or alternatively send data to a simple arm cortex and it can drive the e-ink
<focus_it> updates are slow - but who cares? its meant to be slow
<focus_it> about 2W when page is changing, minimal current otherwise
<Turl> focus_it: isn't eink 0-power when not changing?
<focus_it> oliv3r: they are out of patent or soon will be so wall size should be no problem
<Skaag> focus_it, I compiled a kernel yesterday, I remember seeing e-ink drivers.
<oliv3r> focus_it: when exactly, do you know?
<focus_it> Skaag: good to know!
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<Skaag> the problem with wall size e-ink sheets, if the resolution is high, is with the speed of transitioning the bubbles
<oliv3r> focus_it: i know all about e-ink ;) what i read, is they do color via color filters infront of the black/white 'pixels' not pigmented pixels
<focus_it> oliv3r: us patent system is fscked - even if all the patents are finished some to rag will try to 're-patent' it
<oliv3r> aye
<Skaag> right, the way to do this is to invent a different method of changing the color properties of a globule
<focus_it> oliv3r: that seems a bit silly - it must be easier I guess - no need to develop 3 inks - just the one ink and let the filters do the work :)
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<Turl> you can put 3 inks + white on the place of a single old ink and make pentileink :P
<Skaag> there are 3 sheets
<Skaag> the middle sheet contains the bubbles
<Skaag> for doing color without filters, you'd have to be able to "print" those bubbles onto the sheet, in a predetermined pattern
<Skaag> and that's not yet possible
<focus_it> Skaag: the slime balls will never give up - they will go on to patent 'e-ink fonts' next and method of updating a font or method of drawing a line etc...
<Skaag> well it is possible but I guess expensive
<focus_it> Skaag: it should be disallowed - if you can do it with LCD, then it is obvious to anyone practicing the art - well except to fscked up toe rags in us patenting system
<focus_it> :)
<Skaag> well, I can understand the fears of companies with patents
<Skaag> I met my lawyer a few weeks ago... he said if I don't patent what I'm doing, I am exposing myself to someone else coming and suing me
<Skaag> but if I patent it and it is accepted, then I have leverage
<Skaag> in other words, even if you're not planing to troll with a patent, it acts as some sort of "shield"
<Skaag> so for example ubuntu's approach of buying patents, and applying for patents, to protect the open source community from prosecution, is a good idea
<focus_it> Skaag: in the US you might be - in most other countries a patent is a like a gentleman's agreement - its something you own to protect your business - its not something you use to attack other businesses with
<Skaag> they are buying leverage for the open source community
<kz1> it only works if you are big enough to pursue the offender.
<Skaag> well, trolling is something that's currently being taken care of in the US
<focus_it> Skaag: read it carefully - it actually protects the big companies from suits - because now they get to know which inventor to sue!!!!!!!
<Skaag> everybody knows it needs to be stopped, they are just working on the mechanics now, but once they do, patent trolling will be gone
<Skaag> I believe in introducing "use it or lose it" provisions
<Skaag> company has to show the patent administration plans to use the patent, with schedules, and they have to comply with that schedule, or they risk losing the patent
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<focus_it> my idea is that a patent holder should not have to do anything after patenting - if someone wants to build something, they pay a blind license fee and that will be the end of it
<focus_it> patent holders should not be allowed to control the markets or other businesses
<kz1> focus_it: that could work because currently alot of companies (governement agencies) just steal the ideas anyway
<focus_it> the patent holder is given like 2% by anyone wishing to license their product - there should no way the patent holder be given more rights to control what others do
<kz1> it's hard for a little guy to chase a govt agency
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<kz1> and then they will at least get some cash instead of none
<focus_it> i was going to suggest the government collects the 2% and keeps 30% tax and 70% goes to the inventor - really really generous me thinks!
<focus_it> and government can be fierce in its revenue collection - after all they get 30% of the loot!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<kz1> yeah but they will tax the 70% anyway
<focus_it> they currently tax 40% - so lets get it reduced to 30% so that 70% is kept by the inventor - its better off in their hands to do more product development
<focus_it> and grow the economy
<kz1> I guess it will happen if Apple adds it to the app store ;-)
<mnemoc> it would be interesting to see the big % of how much of the notal brutto salary of a european ends up in taxes (considering VAT, income, etc)
<mnemoc> s/notal/total/
<mnemoc> (by total brutto I mean what the employer pays)
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<kz1> if you include student loan repayments, vat, mortgage, fuel, rates, etc… it's getting upto 85% in some countries
<kz1> places like Norway are reediculous iiuc
<Turl> haha, student loan repayment :p
<kz1> add in child support and you are royally screwed
<kz1> guys, sorry if this is dense, but [how] can I flash the OS using linux just like the pheonix suit app does on m$?
<Turl> kz1: that app runs on linux too
<kz1> with wine?
<Turl> no, native
<Turl> http://cubieboard.org/download/ - check there
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<Turl> well, livesuit, but it should be the same
<Turl> phoenixsuit is like livesuit but with sdcard making from what i know
<kz1> thanks
<mnemoc> livesuit requires usb2, and iirc wine and kvm/qemu only provides 1.1
<mnemoc> stupidly they made the linux version rely in a kernel driver instead of using libusb
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<kz1> great: Linux distribution Debian does not supported!!!
<kz1> they support ubuntu but not debian
<kz1> I get that they want to protect their IP but is it really necessary to use windows dlls to flash a linux device from linux OS?
<apo> just unpack it yourself...
<montjoie[home]> its alive!! its alive, DMA finaly work for AES
<apo> montjoie[home]: :D
* apo gives montjoie[home] 40 cookies
<montjoie[home]> tomorow comes the bench
<mnemoc> someone should really take https://github.com/Ithamar/awutils over, integrate into sunxi-tools (working together with `fel`) and finish implementing the flashing tool
<mnemoc> but the free packing/unpacking tools are already working
<kz1> that was my next question
<kz1> Do I have to use Livesuit?
<kz1> actually do I have to go into "fel" mode? I don't have a power switch on this device
<kz1> it's magnetically controlled
<kz1> and it's notvery reliable
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<Turl> kz1: can't you use a sd card?
<kz1> I could except I also don't have an enter button on this device
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<kz1> One of the buttons does emit the volup event
<kz1> or maybe it's voldown
<kz1> either way I can only scroll down but not select
<kz1> so at the moment I am forced to boot into windows to do an update
<kz1> how much work is it to finish the integration of awutils and fel with sunxi-tools?
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<n01> mripard: ping
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<hramrach> kz1: you will still need the ability to press the FEL button
<hramrach> there is a SD card image that enters the FEL mode when booted but it does not work for me
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<hramrach> magnetically controlled, heh. sounds ... interesting
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<arokux2> Turl: where are you patches, on which boards should they be tested and how?
<Turl> arokux2: on my pc, sun7i boards, stability testing
<arokux2> Turl: is it best you push your branch somewhere, I have got cubietruck only
<Turl> arokux2: I can give you a patch file
<Turl> I haven't commited it yet
<arokux2> Turl: give a list to a git branch, once you commit :p
<arokux2> link*
<Turl> arokux2: lazy :p
<Turl> it's sunxi's uboot + a few changes
<arokux2> Turl: you have to commit anyway! :)
<Turl> yeah
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<Turl> arokux2: ok, check the sunxi-mbus branch on my shiny uboot repo
<arokux2> Turl: I've found it, what's next. I hope my SoC won't get damaged :p
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<Turl> arokux2: my cb2 managed to run glmark-es2 + memtester + tinymembench for a while with no obvious issues
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<Turl> arokux2: just build a fresh uboot and use it :p
<arokux2> Turl: mm.. I'm not actively using my boards I should say, only for testing.
<Turl> ssvb: ping
<Turl> arokux2: still worthy of testing :)
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<arokux2> Turl: ok
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<arokux2> Turl: what goodies does your patch bring? curious.
<hramrach> faster ram presumably
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<focus_it> is it possible to open a uSD boot sectors to see what the default uboot settings are change it - i got a uSD that boots to partition2 - its working, but there is no boot.cmd or uEnv.txt file on the boot directory to change boot partition - just script.fex and the linux
<focus_it> kernel file