<oliv3r>
from u-boot? or with designware driver from linux?
<arokux>
oliv3r: ?? it is with cubietech's kernel! :p
<Tsvetan2>
so drivers could be optimized
<oliv3r>
arokux: so lichee-3.3
<oliv3r>
ok
<Tsvetan2>
I was also expecting with mature drivers A20 GMAC to match at least imx6
<arokux>
oliv3r: ?
<arokux>
oliv3r: hm.. not sure
<arokux>
oliv3r: no, not lichee!
<arokux>
[ 0.000000] Linux version 3.4.61+ (root@evdilo2.foo.bar) (gcc version 4.7.3 (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.3, pie-0.5.5) ) #29 SMP PREEMPT Sat Nov 2 13:34:23 CET 2013
<oliv3r>
ah, so sunxi; nice one
<oliv3r>
gentoo! :D
<arokux>
oliv3r: cubietechs obfuscation of sunxi, yes.
<apo_>
Linux edsger 3.4.61+ #5 SMP Wed Nov 6 21:33:04 CET 2013 armv7l ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) sun7i GNU/Linux
<arokux>
Tsvetan2: there is gmac in stage/sunxi-3.4 - you can grab it for testing.
<apo_>
oh, that was from dmesg
<apo_>
hold on :P
<apo_>
[ 0.000000] Linux version 3.4.61+ (root@edsger) (gcc version 4.7.3 (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.3, pie-0.5.5) ) #5 SMP Wed Nov 6 21:33:04 CET 2013
<oliv3r>
jemk: i'm happy with your patch, but your commit messages are a little short :) and we should talk to the stm/designware guys about changing the default burst value, as it might not work with their stuff
<arokux>
jemk: you should probably add in commit message that you disable dcache, if GMAC
<Montjoie>
no, I use cryptodev now instead of af_alg
<arokux>
Montjoie: what is on x axis?
<Montjoie>
the size of request in bytes
<Montjoie>
below 512bytes no gain
<Montjoie>
after 512 bytes, powaaa
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<arokux>
Montjoie: yellow is blue/red * 100%?
<oliv3r>
'your message to u-boot aways moderator approval :S and i'm signed up! go figure
<Montjoie>
blue/red + 100
<arokux>
Montjoie: why "+"?
<Montjoie>
oups blue/red*100 +100
<arokux>
Montjoie: why "+100"?
<Montjoie>
for having tha gain, and excuse me it is -100, example without 10req/s with SS 20req/s the gain is 10/20*100-100 = 100% of gain
<Montjoie>
20/10
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<arokux>
let with ss be t1, without t2, the the gain in % is: 100*t2/t1
<arokux>
forget it.
<arokux>
:)
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<arokux>
Montjoie: so y is log scaled?
<Montjoie>
yes log scaled
<Montjoie>
I have difficulty wit openoffice graph
<arokux>
Montjoie: use gnuplot!
<Montjoie>
now I need to finish my bench fo be sure to not have hidden bug
<arokux>
Montjoie: where are the last blue and yellow bars?
<Montjoie>
bench not finished:)
<arokux>
Montjoie: I see :)
<Montjoie>
too happy for waiting it
<arokux>
Montjoie: how cryptodev and of af_alg compare?
<Montjoie>
cryptodev is faster
<Montjoie>
but it is the same goal
<Montjoie>
let userspace accessing kernel crypto
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<arokux>
Montjoie: so af_alg is deprecated or superseded?
<Montjoie>
with af_alg you use a spetial socket/networking for using crypto
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<Montjoie>
with cryptodev you r/w /dev/crypto
<Montjoie>
af_lag is official in kernel
<Montjoie>
cryptodev is a patch
<Montjoie>
with both, you could logically give hw acceleration to openssl
<arokux>
Montjoie: you wanted to say with either of those?
<Montjoie>
I have success only with af_alg for that
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<Montjoie>
for openssl with either you could
<arokux>
Montjoie: is cryptodev going to be merged to mainline?
<oliv3r>
arokux: if you wanna mail me off-list, use the same e-mail address, but without the +list recipient delimiter ;) I sometimes don't check all list messaages for a few days because they tend to pile up :p
<Montjoie>
I dont think so
<arokux>
oliv3r: alright.
<arokux>
Montjoie: hm.. why? it is faster you say..
<oliv3r>
i have a +list address for mailing lists, so its in a seperate account, my phone won't spam me and i don' talways have to OCD-check on it :)
<arokux>
oliv3r: I hope you had that fixed already...
<oliv3r>
arokux: as for your hint, i think that one got pushed with the whole set :)
<arokux>
oliv3r: phew :)
<Montjoie>
arokux, cryptodev comes from BSD, troll begining
<arokux>
Montjoie: :$
<Montjoie>
for a real answer, I dont know
<arokux>
Montjoie: I see.
<wens>
arokux: I noticed
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<wens>
so far still can't get phy to come out with stmmac, but did find an easy way to do extensions using OF_DEV_AUXDATA
<wens>
wish i knew how PIN PA17 does reset
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<arokux>
wens: you've seen patches by jemk, right?
<wens>
arokux: yeah
<wens>
arokux: maybe not...
* wens
is sleepy and second guessing himself
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<hungi>
Hi there!
<arokux>
hi hungi
<hungi>
I have troubles and i hope someone can help me here
<hungi>
So in short i have a tablet with allwinner a31s soc. The latest firmware was 4.1.1 and very laggy and unstable. So I ported another firmware from the same manufacturer's almost identical model
<wens>
arokux: sorry, which patch are you refering to?
<arokux>
wens: for u-boot, at ML
<hungi>
I reached a point htat all things working very well
<hungi>
Is it possible that the developer hard-coded some values in SDK 3.2 / Android 4.2.2 kernel level?
<arokux>
wens: so there was this burst thingy, have you noticed?
<hungi>
With these values if i set the brightness to the lowest level at settings in reality thats around 80% of the max. brightness, and the full brightness can be achieved around 15-20% on the brightness slider. Any value set above 15-20% does not change the "visible" brightness but brings back the "2 different brightness in same activities" bug.
<hungi>
same=some
<wens>
arokux: yeah. in stmmac, it's configurable via dt
<hungi>
arokux: i found this channel in that page
<arokux>
test
<arokux>
anybody say something to me! :)
<wens>
arokux: i did a comparison of gmac and stmmac startup flow, not much difference (didn't go into details though)
<hungi>
_(o)_
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<arokux>
wens: do you make sure kernel won't disable clocks set by GMAC?
<arokux>
wens: you can just pass clk_ignore_unused as kernel param to be sure.
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<wens>
arokux: i passed clk_ignore_unused, same problem
<arokux>
wens: I see. keep it better passed.
<arokux>
wens: you might ask jemk so he probes and check with scope if clock is fine etc
<wens>
arokux: i'll do a few more tests tomorrow, then clean up a test version
<arokux>
ok
<wens>
arokux: i'm considering using your usb tree with a usb ethernet dongle to get the system up so i can poke around :p
<arokux>
wens: it doesn't support ct yet
<arokux>
wens: hm.. but what do you mean kernel or u-boot? (either supports usb2eth dongles)
<Tsvetan2>
have you seen schematic and boards they publish?
<buZz>
it might not be the quality you like, they -are- publishing
<arokux>
Tsvetan2: do you know who can donate me a hacker friendly A31-board?
<Tsvetan2>
they intentionally make the schematic unredable
<Tsvetan2>
you cant use them for anything it's junk
<Tsvetan2>
if you want to use have to re-do them
<Tsvetan2>
this just spit on open source spirit - to share knowledge and to use it to learn modify etc
<plaes>
sparkfun doesn't also publish layouts for their newer boards
<Tsvetan2>
sometimes I think they have script which scrambles the schematic to unreadable level as I cant imagine someone with his head in order to design such schematics
<Tsvetan2>
plaes sparkfun boards are so simple that you do not need layout, most of them will be routed for afternoon
<Tsvetan2>
but at least they do not scramble their schematics + their libraries are with many errors, once we try to use something from them and it was disaster
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<arokux>
I haven't see any A31 hacker board so far. I guess some Mele would be an option though
<wingrime>
arokux: todo h264 encoder mpeg encoder(?) jpeg tumbnaller and alpha mixer vc1(msmpeg) xdiv/divx mpeg4 real
<wingrime>
arokux: practiculary only h264 enc intersing
<wingrime>
arokux: ISP (thumbnaill and alphamix) used with h264 encoder
<pfdm>
wingrime: why ? you don't think divx mpeg4 would be nice ?
<wingrime>
arokux: MPEG4/XDIV/DIVX/MSMPEG not a issue
<wingrime>
arokux: it can be done in small time
<arokux>
wingrime: sounds awesome :)
<wingrime>
jemk: are you tryed 4k?
<wingrime>
jemk: also, mpeg4 I think not aproblem with vdpau
<arokux>
wingrime: is still lots left to have h264 enc ready?
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<pfdm>
wingrime : everything will be integrated in vdpau at the end ? what about vp8 ?
<wingrime>
arokux: we have no standart interface
<wingrime>
arokux: VDPAU not support many codecs
<wingrime>
pfdm: VP8 not supported by VDPAU
<wingrime>
We maybe need make special lib for many interfaces
<wingrime>
VDPAU needs x11
<arokux>
vaapi isn't popular?
<pfdm>
wingrime : I know that's why i ask, there is some patch around made 2years ago, but it hasn't been merged into libvdpau
<wingrime>
pfdm: arokux you should know, our VDPAU only PoC
<wingrime>
pfdm: normal realisation needs mainlined/rewrited stuff
<arokux>
wingrime: PoC?
<pfdm>
proof of concept
<arokux>
yes
<wingrime>
yes, it uses hw overlay for display
<wingrime>
over /dev/disp
<wingrime>
and It will not be in malinlined kernel
<oliv3r>
wingrime: long time no see
<pfdm>
wingrime: I'm aware of that, I'm just asking where is the final goal, so I can adjust and add my (trying) efforts to it. If the end will not be vdpau, nor vaapi, maybe openmax? or a dedicated one ?
<wingrime>
no idea
<wingrime>
my current goal, not code itself
<wingrime>
documentation
<pfdm>
I see
<arokux>
wingrime: you know what I dream of? hw accell without X and mplayer (or some another player) without X.
<wingrime>
mplayer can be without Xorg
<wingrime>
but
<wingrime>
you need write code for it specialy
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<ssvb>
arokux: this is really simple, and you already can have it in vlc/xbmc (with proprietary drivers so far)
<arokux>
wingrime: mplayer works in Linux console, without accel, though
<arokux>
ssvb: vlc can work without X but with hw accell?!
<ssvb>
arokux: yes, of course, that's why it is a bit awkward to use
<ssvb>
arokux: a little bit of a challenge is a proper windowing system with multiple applications running and properly interacting with each other...
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<arokux>
ssvb: that is awesome.
<ssvb>
arokux: a single application just playing back your video in fullscreen mode is not difficult at all (after you have the decoder working)
<arokux>
ssvb: what API VLC uses for accel?
<ssvb>
arokux: what is so awesome about it?
<arokux>
ssvb: several years ago I wanted to watch videos in linux console with accel and was told it was not possible, because all the GPUs write there drivers for X and that is why accel is available to mplayer only through X.
<oliv3r>
Tsvetan2: pff, i even have made designs in geda :)
<arokux>
oliv3r: how is that related?
<ssvb>
arokux: there was some discussion in the mailing list about the python bindings to control vlc with cedar decoder
<ssvb>
arokux: why did you want to watch videos in linux console?
* ssvb
wonders why arokux did not want to also get rid of the linux kernel altogether and watch hardware decoded videos from some bare metal rtos ;)
<oliv3r>
arokux: was backreading, you asking for a31 dev hardware (*waves fist*) and not soldering pads
<oliv3r>
arokux: you can use any tablet with uSD breakoutboard and use the microSD adapter to get uart
<oliv3r>
i use that on my tablet
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<arokux>
ssvb: so how can VLC use AMD/nVidia GPUs APIs if without X?
<arokux>
ssvb: several years ago I've tried to live only in Linux Console, you can learn a lot if you introduce this restriction :)
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<oliv3r>
hehe, i lived only on the cli years ago! :D i had my first real linux box, a router/gateway; and i spent most time on the cli on that machine (I had 2 monitors on my desk at the time)
<oliv3r>
i still spend a lot of time on the cli
<ssvb>
arokux: I guess the reliance on X was a side effect of the implementation of these decoders, you are just making kinda unreasonable demands :)
<oliv3r>
but now via xterms/putty if i have to
<ssvb>
arokux: with the open source implementation and full documentation available you can fix it to work from cli, or just use software decoding
<oliv3r>
if i'm not mistaken, you can use radeon's decoding from the cli
<arokux>
ssvb: that was the whole point - my computer was slow, I needed hw accel. :)
<arokux>
ssvb: so can VLC somehow be used by AMD/nVidia GPUs to accel in Linux Console without X?
<ssvb>
arokux: and you thought that X was breaking the camel's back in your case, so that resorting to cli was necessary?
<arokux>
ssvb: something like this. ancient potentially slow, just unneeded! :)
<arokux>
ssvb: later I realized a bare X isn't that demanding at all.
<ssvb>
arokux: :)
<arokux>
ssvb: so can VLC somehow be used by AMD/nVidia GPUs to accel in Linux Console without X?
<ssvb>
arokux: it's all software, so it must be fixable if necessary
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<arokux>
ssvb: how that? AMD/nVidia drivers are BLOBs....?
<arokux>
ssvb: and then, I'm not going to spawn a project to develop these things..
<arokux>
ssvb: I'm just asking if they are there and can be use off-shelf :)
<ssvb>
arokux: in the case of sunxi, the problem is exactly the opposite
<ssvb>
arokux: the users are installing standard players or browsers with html5 support from the linux repositories and expect them to provide nice hardware accelerated video playback
<arokux>
ssvb: but they should better go to Linux Console you mean? :)
<ssvb>
arokux: the users just don't want to use the custom built players, specifically patched for cedar and which need to be launched from the linux console
<arokux>
ssvb: so there should be some lib that implement cedar2<some-api>, right?
<arokux>
ssvb: what is the most popular APIs, btw?
<ssvb>
it's hard to say, vdpau appears to be pretty well supported, but there is also openmax and gstreamer
<ssvb>
we have to deal with a jungle of apis and frameworks :( and some of them also want to interact with gl
<arokux>
ssvb: this is bazaar...
<oliv3r>
this. is. linux!
<arokux>
ssvb: I suspect the cathedral microsoft has only one api
<oliv3r>
nah
<oliv3r>
but far less diverse for sure
<oliv3r>
but this is pure evolution at work
<arokux>
oliv3r: I agree. pure and painful evolution which finally will produces something nice.
<oliv3r>
i hope so yeah
<ssvb>
the players also typically have multiple backends, this increases the chances that they somehow 'connect' with some sort of the hardware decoder :)
<arokux>
ssvb: so sunxi.org just starts from something which is most popular :)
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<arokux>
ssvb: do you hack on something sunxi currently?
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<arokux>
oliv3r: you wanted to buy Mele?
<oliv3r>
at one point, now i'll probably just use cubietruck
<oliv3r>
i do want one, but i find the m5 to be to expensive
<libv>
oliv3r: if you need one for demoing at fosdem, you can use mine
<oliv3r>
libv: that would be awesome; not sure yet what and how to demo something
<oliv3r>
libv: but i will absolutly have to talk to you when things come closer as to what I will show and what not
<oliv3r>
though I don't think we will overlap too much
<libv>
oliv3r: i should have a mesa driver out by then, so you would not be spoiling anything on that front :)
<libv>
oliv3r: it would be nice if you could do your whole talk off of an allwinner device
<arokux>
libv: do you know somebody you could donate me Mele M9 or similar A31-based board?
<arokux>
oliv3r: and with mainline kernel! :)
<libv>
arokux: disp?
<arokux>
libv: disp?
<libv>
arokux: the device needs to be useful.
<arokux>
libv: ah...
<oliv3r>
libv: that's what i mean though; i absolutly not wanna even come near your waters :)
<arokux>
:(
<oliv3r>
libv: i was planning on that
<libv>
arokux: try that guy who randomly mailed the wrong mailinglists
<oliv3r>
libv: like near the end 'oh and this is on an allwinner device running native X :)
<arokux>
libv: in the middle of an e-mail to him.
<arokux>
not that I do not have money
<arokux>
but it is principle
<libv>
heh
<arokux>
hardware should be donated to me :)
<oliv3r>
though if he is soliciting opensource stuff; powervr would be the wrong approach :)
<libv>
arokux: the cubietruck is the first piece of hardware that i ever got donated
<oliv3r>
arokux: if we're really really lucky, and i have a lot of time, we might get 3.10 going though
<libv>
_ever_
<arokux>
oliv3r: I was told next allwinner's SoCs will be based on A31... so it is important we partially mainline for it too.
<oliv3r>
libv: i got you on the donation list :) together with connor
<arokux>
libv: you do not count your working place - there everything was "donated"
<oliv3r>
libv: did he get one/pass his mail address? I don't know if others ever received them (others not in here)
<arokux>
I do now work as kernel/gpu hacker
<libv>
even as codethink was making loads of noise, i got to buy my own hardware
<libv>
arokux: after about a decade, you do not care about the principle of the thing anymore.
<arokux>
who is codethink?
<libv>
well, not care about is not true, not bothered
<libv>
arokux: my previous employer
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<libv>
oh, they finally removed the first lima renders off of the arm "partner" site
<libv>
they managed to f up the colours, but yes, that was a render in late january 2012
<arokux>
drachensun: you know lots about A31 hardware, let me ask you. do you happen to know who could be interested to donate me an A31-based hackable device, for example Mele M9?
<Sonicadvance1>
That's terrible and funny in a way
<libv>
Sonicadvance1: why?
<drachensun>
arokux: Donate? I'm not sure
<arokux>
drachensun: yes, it's about $100
<drachensun>
arokux: I'm clearing out all my hardware now to pay bill while I look for a job
<libv>
Sonicadvance1: this was a milestone. the first real renders out of an ARM GPU on free software.
<Sonicadvance1>
Oh wait, they actually talk about lima there
<drachensun>
arokux: but I have already sold the meles with the debug header
<drachensun>
pay bills I mean
<libv>
Sonicadvance1: they did mess up the colours though, it looks like they took it to 8bit or something. it used to look better.
<arokux>
drachensun: why haven't you asked here...? :(((
<drachensun>
arokux: seems like almost everyone in the chat is from outside the US
<arokux>
drachensun: true that.
<Sonicadvance1>
libv: Has codethink even done anything with lima?
<libv>
Sonicadvance1: they paid my wage for about 7 weeks without me doing customer work.
<Sonicadvance1>
Interesting
<drachensun>
but good point, I'm a software engineer with 8 years experience in embedded and server development in java and C, including some hardware design if anyone is interested. I'm looking for positions in the USA and willing to relocate at my own expense (within the US)
<libv>
Sonicadvance1: i brought them big buckets of cash to keep their company going, while they had most of the company sitting idle
<Sonicadvance1>
o_o
<drachensun>
Actually, I just got an offer locally but my wife had really got her heart set on moving, so we will see
<drachensun>
so many things to juggle
<oliv3r>
arokux: i don't think anybody got any hardwarre from mele ata ll
<arokux>
drachensun: I wish you all the best. I think sunxi would have won so much has your campaign succeeded.
<arokux>
oliv3r: looks like so :'(
<oliv3r>
cubetech/olimex are pretty much it
<arokux>
oliv3r: thre are still the others aw-som/iteaduino
<arokux>
oliv3r: but nobody produces A31 already now.
<drachensun>
arokux: Thanks, yeah it would have benefited all. I wish I could be more generous but I burned 10k or so running the campaign on top of my living expenses while I had no income, I've got to recover what I can
<arokux>
drachensun: of course, I didn't know your situation fully, I just new you were hacking on A31.
<oliv3r>
arokux: those never donated hardware
<oliv3r>
arokux: AW donated a wits kit to maxime though
<arokux>
oliv3r: they've just appeared
<libv>
arokux: again, i have been doing quite a few things over the last decade, and the cubietruck is the first donation i received
<arokux>
libv: so what? I do not consider a $100 board to be much, as said, it is just a symbol for me.
<libv>
i told connor to go for a cb2 while tom still had the donations form open, and tsvetan offered me his a13 device, which i had already bought at that time
<arokux>
libv: so you see? you shouldn't have rushed.
<oliv3r>
libv: did conner receive his cubietruck?
<libv>
oliv3r: i did not know anything about him and a cubietruck
<libv>
he has a cubieboard2 though
<libv>
arokux: heh.
<arokux>
I just need a board with each of aw's SoCs, and A31 is missing in my collection.
<libv>
arokux: or else?
<oliv3r>
libv: well i put his and your e-mail addides on the list
<arokux>
libv: no USB support in mainline for A31 :)
<libv>
oliv3r: well, he just received a cb2 a month or two before, he's ok
<libv>
given that he has been donated two bits of hw already (it took months to get codethink to send him a 70usd zenithink C71, what a faff that was)
<oliv3r>
libv: actually he WAS on the cb2 list and his addy was on file
<oliv3r>
so may be still on the way
<arokux>
libv: do you blame me for asking a free board?
<libv>
arokux: i blame you for your vigour in doing so, and for not willing to see the reality of the situation
<libv>
+being
<arokux>
libv: and what is the reality? you should know those are my first experiences.
<libv>
i just told you that reality several times
<oliv3r>
if being offered, i don't mind, but asking blalantly for it
<oliv3r>
duynno
<libv>
actually, my reality is even worse. i am glad, no hugely relieved, when i do not get tarred and feathered, like with what happened with radeonhd, for any work i do.
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<oliv3r>
...
<arokux>
I do not feel ashamed to ask, I invest lots of time in sunxi.
<oliv3r>
but you do it out of passion
<arokux>
oliv3r: of course. or do you think I can live from two donated boards? :)
<pfdm>
maybe a generational conflict ?
<arokux>
oliv3r: a free board is just a symbol for me :)
<drachensun>
hey oliv3r, you mention a lot of time you are on here you are 'at work' what do you get paid to do where you have so much extra time?
<oliv3r>
i have the worst job ever :)
<oliv3r>
but it gives me a lot of time
<drachensun>
doesn't sound like the worst job ever if you have time for your hobbies....
<oliv3r>
haha true
<arokux>
and you know what, you can actually learn a lot about ppl that are making money on sunxi.org saying how cool it is, or otherwise they'd be screwed having no AW support, but then you ask them to donate a bunch of boards and suddenly they become silent.
<oliv3r>
but if the job you have to perform is something you hate with patssion :)
<drachensun>
I was just curious, whenver I worked some one else I'd have been fired for spending work time on IRC unless I was directly getting a tech question for work answered
<drachensun>
my point is we all need to make a living too, the fact that work can be for pay and still benefit the sunxi community as wel
<drachensun>
'the fact is that work..." I meant
<oliv3r>
i do windows phone support at a city governement office
<drachensun>
"have you tried turning it off and on again?"
<oliv3r>
it's mostly not so busy, 30 - 50 calls per day
<oliv3r>
basically
<oliv3r>
'press this button'
<oliv3r>
'your account is unlocked, try again'
<drachensun>
you ever watch "the it crowd"?
<oliv3r>
i've seen it
<oliv3r>
:D
<oliv3r>
sht up and reboot
<drachensun>
yeah, might not be as funny for you :-)
<drachensun>
I like it so much I can ignore the awful laugh track
<drachensun>
but yeah, I see how that usually has a lot of dead time
<oliv3r>
i hate it passionatl
<oliv3r>
y
<oliv3r>
but our economy is so unstable atml i don't dare to switch
<oliv3r>
which i easily could
<drachensun>
did you once kernel patch ever finally get accepted? seem like code in the kernel is resume gold to apply elsewhere
<oliv3r>
i got a call from google actually to come in for an interview
<oliv3r>
drachensun: oh i have a few in now :)
<drachensun>
man my spelling/grammer is terrible today
<arokux>
grammer :)
<oliv3r>
got some patch gregkh sysfs stuff in now; driver for my dvb stic; and 1 sunxi patch :)
<oliv3r>
2 in the making
<drachensun>
well my advice is take the risk and get a job you like better
<oliv3r>
well lots of free time also means linux work
<drachensun>
if you are tight with your money, the prospect of being unemployed for a bit isn't so scary
<arokux>
oliv3r: what risk can such hacker like you have? what are you talking about?
<arokux>
oliv3r: but if you want free time, it is another cup of tee then.
<oliv3r>
go in for interview, get trial job for 6 monthsl get booted
<oliv3r>
be unemployed
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<libv>
oliv3r: recruiters really are the devil. but how would you be if your job was to "source
<libv>
" people from everywhere all the time
<libv>
and not having to care whether the new employee makes it past the probation time?
<drachensun>
Is that really common over there?
<drachensun>
seems like here in the US if you do a half decent job they will keep you around
<drachensun>
hiring is expensive in the first place
<libv>
no, but like everything else that's broken with .us corporate thinking, it is becoming mainstream
<libv>
drachensun: that is not my experience with .us companies.
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<drachensun>
of course we dont have many restrictions on letting people go, I've heard that is different elsewhere
<oliv3r>
atm its really hard to hold a job
<oliv3r>
'oh we ran out of money, buy'
<drachensun>
libv: really? Worst engineer I ever hired had 2-3 at every major company in the city, I thought he was jumping up but after he worked for us I realized thats how long they took to push him out
<oliv3r>
atm people depend on me having an income
<oliv3r>
and the workplace is 'ok' it's not bad at all
<oliv3r>
just naging users :)
<libv>
drachensun: or... you can get really unlucky.
<drachensun>
interesting though, I've never worked for a big company so you guys would have heard from a lot more people than me
<oliv3r>
did my internship at philips
<drachensun>
libv: yeah, thats true, they love to call a round of layoffs for a stock boost it seems and the first hires are easy targets
<drachensun>
new hires I mean
<libv>
and then there is the cases where big corporations close down most of their operation
<libv>
so that the ceo can make a big bonus selling the wreckage to his previous employer
<libv>
i really want that guy to become the new ceo of his previous company though. seems like that's just what the doctor ordered.
<libv>
(nokia, elop, microsoft, btw)
<oliv3r>
dso while i'd love to change, next year hopeflly
<libv>
keeping the good guys is never the plan of a big corporation.
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<hno>
Tsvetan2, sometimes feels like I am soldering code and writing wires these days... a bit more hardware stuff than usual lately, clueing pieces of code together, finding ways to patch PCBs and silencing hardware ghosts using software.
<hno>
glueing pieces of code..
<oliv3r>
hno: how much longer? we miss you!
* hno
hugs oliv3r
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<pirea>
hy
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<arokux2>
hno: hugs won't help! :)
<arokux2>
hi pirea
<arokux2>
let me guess, you have some problem and want to ask for advice?
<pirea>
hy arokux2 :)
<pirea>
yes :))
<pirea>
with gpio
<pirea>
arokux2 how i can use gpio pins form cubieboard?
<arokux2>
*sigh* nobody comes and says, guys, I've fixed the bug! please take look at my patch..
<arokux2>
pirea: no idea, really.
<pirea>
ok
<arokux2>
pirea: I can help you add usb support to mainline :)
<pirea>
i know nothing about usb
<hno>
pirea, from what I understand you add the desired gpios to your fex. But haven't tried. Might want to look in the olinuxino fex files for hints.
<hno>
pirea, but you only use base address in the kernel code. Not in applications.
<hno>
that said, the pio tool in sunxi-tools can do mmio accesses to sunxi GPIO pins, but it is not at all the right way of controlling gpio.
<hno>
applications SHOULD use /sys/ interface with mappings set up in the kernel config (i.e. the .fex for sunxi linux 3.4)
* arokux2
is going to test jemk patches which add GMAC support in U-Boot
<pirea>
fuck
<pirea>
i am a BIG NOOB
<hno>
pirea, you need to rewire your mind. You are a learner, not a noob.
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<hno>
being a noob mindset do not bring you forward.
<pirea>
arokux2 jmek needs a patch with CFLAGS+=-lrt
* arokux2
says it to himself every hour
<pirea>
to work vdpauinfo
<pirea>
hno tnk
<arokux2>
pirea: how is vdpauinfo related to u-boot?
<arokux2>
pirea: google a bit, ask, learn, document (at sunxi.org)
<pirea>
arokux2 jmek work at libvdpau-sunxi :D
<hno>
that would be a monster u-boot if it ran vdpauinfo.
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<arokux2>
pirea: not only, he is smart enough to work on GMAC (Ethernet Controller) too
<arokux2>
hno: what do you think of the patch by oliv3r ?
<hno>
arokux2, the 2GB one? Or which patch?
<arokux2>
hno: yes, 2GiB one.
<hno>
Still confused that mainline u-boot uses signed variables for memory size.
<arokux2>
hno: [not related] why do you think distclean is sometimes needed in u-boot to eliminate compiler errors?
<arokux2>
hno: ppl in #u-boot were surprised and asked if ours u-boot was broken
<hno>
u-boot dependencies are not 100% perfect, but I don't recall needing distclean.
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<arokux2>
hno: u-boot as u-boot or as u-boot-sunxi?
<hno>
both.
<hno>
easier to discuss if you could backtrack how it happened. History and git reflog is a great help in that.
<arokux2>
nice
<arokux2>
I'll try to get grip on it, once I was able to reproduce. should I do make on regular basis without distclean you think?
<hno>
yes
<hno>
but one separate build directory per target.
<hno>
u-boot supports O=... like most other projects.
<arokux2>
hno: sometime I won't get u-boot prompt, I rewrite uSD and it works...
<hno>
what do the console say? And are you sure you remember to write the right image? I often find myself writing u-boot.bin instead of u-boot.img still, and sometimes even u-boot-spl.bin instead of sunxi-spl.bin
<arokux2>
hno: I always write u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin
<arokux2>
hno: console says nothing, just hangs.
<hno>
that is odd.
<hno>
both BROM and SPL verified the images they load.
<hno>
verifies
<arokux2>
hno: next time I'll dump what was written to uSD - just got this idea.
<pirea>
arokux2 i can give 128 mb to mali 400?
<arokux2>
pirea: my area of expertise is USB host and general setup, kernel compilation, options, u-boot.
<oliv3r>
hno: i had some compiler errors; but i ran make all_boards or whatever it was called in u-boot dir. normally i use the bsp which uses O=; so i had some cruft in my tree; distclean fixed that up nicely
<pirea>
isohunt.com is dead
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<Turl>
pirea: each time one of those sites is killed, tons of new ones pop up
<pirea>
Turl brb :) i am playing Unreal Tournament 2004 on my linux machine :>
<arokux2>
EMAC and GMAC cannot live together if =y, is it ok or expected...?
<arokux2>
ssvb: thanks.
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<arokux2>
ssvb: do you have smth more to say about Arch?
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<Turl>
arokux2: ALARM supports some sunxi devices :)
<arokux2>
Turl: yes, this is my rootfs and favorite distro
<arokux2>
is there anybody who uses Arch here except of pirea and pfdm? I'm currently gathering resources on it and going to update upstream packages for kernel & friends.