Kubuxu changed the topic of #ipfs to: go-ipfs 0.4.14 is out! Try out all the new features: https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.14 | Also: #libp2p #ipfs-cluster #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0"
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<btc_> Minere BTC enquanto navega e trabalha sem deixar o pc lentão e economizando energia obs: so funciona no Google Chrome do pc. https://getcryptotab.com/718967 Video tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luzqQN3kL4g&t=166s
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> 404privacynotfound: Small Matrix...
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<epergny> I guess I spent lots of time learning ipfs on my friday evening/night: I dreamt of IPFS : )
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<whyrusleeping> haha, that happens on occasion
<epergny> is "ipfs repo verify" disk-IO bound? (on a "modern" machine)
<epergny> I mean: is it the goal? To be able to verify as quickly as the drive can read the repo?
<epergny> (can read the chunks)
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<Voker57> goal is to be able to verify as quickly as possible
<Voker57> since IO is likely to be slowest, guess yes
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<epergny> great
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<epergny> on Linux, is there a filesystem that makes more sense over another to host an IPFS repo? I'm not too worried as IPFS has integrity check by default but I'm still curious as to what's "best" (simply using ext4 atm)
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<ToxicFrog> epergny: based on the contents of /srv/ipfs, you want a filesystem that has good performance characteristics when storing thousands of ~500KB files
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<ToxicFrog> That said, I don't know enough to actually say what's best for that.
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<epergny> ah : )
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<ToxicFrog> (I just use ZFS)
<Icefoz> I use xfs, but unless you get into millions of files it probably doesn't matter too much either way.
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<sigavax[m]> hi, is the ipfs stable enough for me to make ordinary people use it?
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<Voker57> depends on your definition of usage and on your definition of ordinary people
<Voker57> re: stableness it does not crash routinely but consumes rather large and increasing amounts of memory
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<darkdrgn2k[m]2> elecampane: i think it lacks a wife friendly interface atm...
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<epergny> Voker57: "increasing amounts of memory" as in "memory leaks" and it's fixed by restarting the daemon? Or it's a function of how many chunks/files there are in the IPFS?
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<Voker57> epergny: the first
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<epergny> Voker57: ok, that's good to know. Not a showstopper.
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<Satou> Hey guys, I just found out about the IPFS and I wanna ask what you guys are using it for? what are you building on it?
<lgierth> Satou: decentralized applications (e.g. peerpad.net or openbazaar), large data storage and distribution (e.g. archives.ipfs.io and ipfs-cluster), and people are also building stuff on libp2p (ipfs's network stack), e.g. livepeer.org
<lgierth> and browser integration of course (ipfs-companion for firefox/chrome/edge)
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<Satou> That sounds interesting, once I add something to the IPFS, can anyone else retrieve it without having the hash?
<lgierth> with the hash
<epergny> but the node can be queried for the list of all its hashes no?
<epergny> Satou: if you want to run private IFPS nodes you can do that too.
<Satou> epergny, I see, is that something like running the daemon, or does the ipfs daemon just connect me to the main ipfs?
<epergny> Satou: although I'd say it's probably not the typical way it's used.
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<epergny> Satou: by default when the daemon starts it connects to a list of (boostrapping) public nodes.
<epergny> Satou: but you can change that: "ipfs bootstrap rm --all" would clear all the bootstrapping nodes.
<epergny> Satou: you can also add your own "swarm.key" and only nodes sharing your private swarm.key would be able to work with your node.
<epergny> Satou: AFAICT... I only started using IPFS a few days ago and I'm still in discovery mode.
<Satou> Interesting. How does it make sure there's no duplicate data in the fs tho? wouldn't that mean it would have to return two hashes that basically point to the same object?
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<epergny> Satou: files are divided into chunks and each chunks is stored by the hash of its content. If two chunks are identical, it's going to be stored only once.
<epergny> Satou: unless you store it with two different hash algos.
<epergny> Satou: I told you: I'm new to this, so take what I write with a grain of salt.
<Satou> thanks epergny
<Satou> I've never fiddled with something distributed like ipfs, so some of my questions might be a bit idiotic. The chunks get speread and stored among the nodes, but what if one of them goes down? or does everyone have a copy of the ledger and therefore has a copy of the data
<lgierth> they don't get spread -- nodes store only what they requested
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<lgierth> there's no automatic permanence baked into ipfs itself - nodes can "pin" stuff to permanently store it, but how they come up with the decision is none of ipfs's business
<lgierth> filecoin will be a token and market for that
<lgierth> think of it like torrents -- once nobody seeds it anymore, it's unavailable
<Satou> So the data is only held on one node, and can be retrieved by anyone who has the hash
<epergny> Satou: "Filecoin" plans to add an incentive layer on top of IPFS. There are other decentralized systems, like Sia, which have incentive from the start (but it makes for more complex codebase).
<epergny> erf
<lgierth> the links/hashes are still valid, and once someone come's back online, it's available again
<epergny> lgierth beat me to it
<lgierth> yeah Sia has a working token, but the storage/distribution/transfer part is underwhelming
<lgierth> that's what ipfs nails
<Satou> I see, I might have to read more from the docs and maybe reserve irc for more questions :)
<lgierth> sure sure
<epergny> Satou: what worked for me was to make lots of testing...
<Satou> Right now I got the go version installed, and I'm going to play with (https://github.com/cloutier/php-ipfs-api)
<epergny> Satou: you can learn a lot without even running the daemon.
<epergny> Satou: just play with "ipfs add ..." etc. and then delete ~/.ipfs or whatever IPFS_PATH is set to (if not set it default to ~/.ipfs)
<epergny> Satou: armed with just SSH, the CLI and "ncdu" I did a lot of ipfs test and came up here with many silly questions ^ ^
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<lgierth> ah nice, ncdu, that looks nice
<epergny> lgierth: yup it's convenient to quickly check the size of the ~/.ipfs repo in this case etc. and it works over ssh : )
<lgierth> be careful with the default flatfs datastore and very large repos though ;)
<epergny> I'm using Linux since a long time but only learned about ncdu a few days ago... I'm already converted : )
<epergny> lgierth: "flatfs datastore" is the default IPFS datastore you mean? How "large" are you talking about?
<lgierth> yeah that
<lgierth> well du will just get slower the bigger the repo, i.e. the more blocks stored
<lgierth> badger doesn't have that problem since it's not one file per block
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<epergny> oh ok I see what you mean...
<epergny> btw... I can raise the maximum repo size at any time? I just stop the daemon, modify the config and relaunch?
<lgierth> can modify while it's running and then restart
<lgierth> but it doesn't have any effect except if you run with --enable-gc
<lgierth> the the StorageMax setting will be the baseline for GCWatermark
<lgierth> we never got to implementing the actual hard storage cap
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<ToxicFrog> Satou: re "the data is only held on one node" -- when you add data, it's stored on the node it was added to and pinned. When it's requested via other nodes (e.g. via the http gateway), those nodes will cache local copies of the data, but if they aren't requested for a while they'll eventually be evicted from cache.
<ToxicFrog> Any node can pin an object to prevent it from being cache-evicted.
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<Satou> thanks ToxicFrog
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<epergny> lgierth: "we never got to implementing the actual hard storage cap" Ah good to know.
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<frostiq> Hi guys!
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<frostiq> when I try to connect to IPFS with the following config, I get an error:
<frostiq> config: { Addresses: { Swarm: [ '/dns4/ws-star.discovery.libp2p.io/tcp/443/wss/p2p-websocket-star' ] } }
<frostiq> error: Uncaught Error: websocket error
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<frostiq> maybe somebody faced with the same issue?
<frostiq> WebSocket connection to 'wss://ws-star.discovery.libp2p.io/socket.io/?EIO=3&transport=websocket' failed: WebSocket is closed before the connection is established.
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