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<gnomon> that's my knife
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<pikajude> I'm confused about people that are unable to solve problems, but don't read error messages
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<gnomon> pikajude, what's confusing about that? The behaviour seems entirely consistent with the results.
<pikajude> gnomon: no, I'm just confused that they *want* to solve problems but don't read error messages
<pikajude> so i'm watching my coworker ask someone else the same question she just asked me because she didn't find my answer satisfactory
<pikajude> and he's telling her to look at the same page i looked at
<ljharb> i just watched an episode of the league about that
<pikajude> this is why i hate pair programming
<gnomon> pikajude, I don't know, man - sounds pretty normal to me. Isn't some huge fraction of the validity of a message inferred from the way it gets delivered? Even though I personally reach for the error message at the beginning of every troubleshooting session, I have a lot of sympathy for people who have never reached a satisfactory conclusion from doing that same thing.
<gnomon> pikajude, they're not doing anything _wrong_, they're just reacting differently to a large set of invisibile stimuli plus the much smaller set of visible stimuli.
<gnomon> I'll second the sentiment about pair programming, though. That practice is great if the intention is to get a pair of people to figure out how to work well with each other; but if the goal is to accomplish a bunch of programming, well...
<gnomon> Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
<pikajude> gnomon: I hate pair programming when one party decides the other party's input is not useful and decides to make the effort themselves to arrive at the same conclusion
<pikajude> which makes the experience no longer interactive
<pikajude> if she's going to discard my input there's no reason for us to pair
<gnomon> yep
<gnomon> Sorry. That sucks. ):
<pikajude> her doing her own research to arrive at that conclusion is *perfectly fine*. the problem is that it's wasting my time
<pikajude> anyway, i don't meant to discount pair programming in general, just when this kind of thing happens is what bothers me
<jfhbrook> I hear at pivotal they just like say "scoot the fuck over" and they're like "rock it" because in 10s the reverse happens