20:12 <incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: i maybe know 2% more than you and could help

20:12 <incomprehensibly> maybe not

20:12 <incomprehensibly> i actually know nothing about electronics

22:46 <ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: >:

22:46 <ELLIOTTCABLE> well like basics — without *specific instructions*, idk designing a circuit?

22:46 <ELLIOTTCABLE> also I'm having my normal ‘weird programmer response’ to learning a new thing that isn't programming

22:47 <ELLIOTTCABLE> “why isn't this more specific? why is everything they say so wishy-washy? why don't they define every one of their terms in intimate detail, and then provide measurements to N degrees of precision?!?”

22:47 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, 'cuz you're reading a man page instead of an RFC!

22:47 <ELLIOTTCABLE> like I'm reading this little tutorial on building an audio-mixer, which is half-way to what I want to build; but it doesn't even include actual part numbers, or the resistances of resistors, or shit

22:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> it just says "a resistor here" and "a pot here" and I'm like DON'T I NEED MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAN THAT!? HOW CAN THAT JUST WORK!?!?

22:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> math is the same way — I'm all like NONE OF THIS NOTATION MAKES ANY INTERNALLY COHERENT SENSE, CAN YOU PLEASE REDESIGN THIS LANGUAGE BEFORE TRYING TO TEACH IT TO ME

22:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> silly mathematicians.

22:49 <ELLIOTTCABLE> excepting math, it's weird how top-down *everything* but programming is

22:49 <ELLIOTTCABLE> like ... well of *course* electronics stuff makes no sense; they're all quietly ignoring their compiler, because they don't fucking understand it

22:49 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, ever read anything on the topic of the badness of symbolic representation by Ken Iverson?

22:49 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, also, on that same topic, I feel like you and @mhoye would share some frustrations.

22:50 <ELLIOTTCABLE> you kinda *have* to be top-down person to do physical engineering, because we don't even have a coherent theory as to how the compiler at the bottom actually works

22:50 <ELLIOTTCABLE> gnomon: /invite

22:51 <gnomon> @mhoye? On Freenode? Heh.

22:51 <ELLIOTTCABLE> what

22:51 <gnomon> He's a Mozilla guy, his presence on Freenode is truly minimal.

22:52 <ELLIOTTCABLE> oh lord *eyeroll*

22:57 <ELLIOTTCABLE> ♪ BLING, BLING, BITCH; DO MY OWN THANG, BITCH

22:57 <ELLIOTTCABLE> ♪ FUCK A WEDDIN' RING THAT DING-A-LING WAS JUST A FLING, BITCH

22:59 <ELLIOTTCABLE> purrrrrrrr

23:02 <ELLIOTTCABLE> grr

23:03 <ELLIOTTCABLE> ⌘\ is 1Password, but also Chrome's inspector's “continue”

23:03 <ELLIOTTCABLE> and it's not configurable ಠ_ಠ

23:04 <ELLIOTTCABLE> gnomon: R U SIGN UP 4 TEST YET

23:04 <ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: ditto

23:04 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, no sir. Not in the cards for this year.

23:04 <gnomon> January, though: likely.

23:04 <ELLIOTTCABLE> but but but it's so easy

23:04 <ELLIOTTCABLE> you can doooo

23:04 <ELLIOTTCABLE> http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/tot.htm — found

23:05 <gnomon> Yeah, my problem is 100% not related to any nervousness about the ease or lack thereof of the test. Entirely other factors.

23:05 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, ah, that's a good starting point.

23:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> hahahah

23:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> not nervousness — I'm assuming you're busy, and insisting you could fit it in ;)

23:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> I want to talk in this channel about HAM shit :D

23:06 <ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: can't wait to get on some DMR repeater shit and talk to you

23:06 <ELLIOTTCABLE> idk DMR yet but

23:06 <ELLIOTTCABLE> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

23:07 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Ellie Goulding, baebaebae

23:07 <ELLIOTTCABLE> https://open.spotify.com/track/3odrUVQ9tvRpkC9II2oWzx

23:07 <ELLIOTTCABLE> I absolutely love that the HTML embed for Spotify *shows the current progress* in my own local Spotify client

23:09 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, for whatever it's worth, my father in law is VA3FAM - @rjbeeth on Twitter.

23:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> :D

23:09 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, he's not in this channel but he's definitely a big HAM.

23:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> then expose him to IRC

23:09 <gnomon> uh

23:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> just say “There's a guy who's trying to get me into HAM”

23:09 <gnomon> I didn't mean that as a joke but I just re-read what I typed.

23:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> and he'll be like “I want to meet this person!”

23:09 <gnomon> heh

23:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> then drop the “you have to learn to use a computer tho.”

23:09 <gnomon> I think you and he might get along.

23:10 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, naw man, he's been into computers since before I was born.

23:10 <ELLIOTTCABLE> oh “Happily retired techie” lmao

23:10 <ELLIOTTCABLE> oh wtf he's probably on the same repeaters as me

23:10 <ELLIOTTCABLE> he's outside Champaigne?

23:10 <ELLIOTTCABLE> cannot spell that shit ever

23:10 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, professionally, too. Worked for Canadian sigint agencies. Lifelong NDA; he's been retired for many years, the feds still interview the neighbours every couple of months to make sure he's maintaining infosec.

23:11 <gnomon> ELLIOTTCABLE, he was posted up in some northern base listening posts for a long time.

23:11 <ELLIOTTCABLE> haha there's a few sigint people on specifically *these same repeaters*

23:11 <ELLIOTTCABLE> there's always the “What's your call, where do you live, can you talk about what you do for a job?”

23:11 <gnomon> Probably pals (:

23:12 <ELLIOTTCABLE> brr!

23:12 <ELLIOTTCABLE> brr: r u still super-weird

23:12 <gnomon> Anywhoop, I've got to hit the old road and head home - hoping to not get hit by any cars on the way, bike lanes are a disaster after the first major snowfall of the season last night.

23:12 <gnomon> Hope to catch y'all tomorrow!

23:14 <ELLIOTTCABLE> o7

23:25 <ELLIOTTCABLE> oh wow, second Millennium Problem solved

23:32 <ELLIOTTCABLE> + see rejected nodes in the `seen` argument (144877556ms)

23:32 <ELLIOTTCABLE> that's a long fucking test-case

23:39 <ELLIOTTCABLE> when you spend a month (off-and-on) debugging a test failure, only to find it's a reproducible bug in your *testing library*

23:39 <ELLIOTTCABLE> argh software development arg