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<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi cloudhead
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi incomprehensibly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi purr
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi purr
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi purr
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi pikajude
<pikajude> Hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<pikajude> What's up
<ELLIOTTCABLE> _Pyrrh: “ELLIOTTCABLE - if you're interested, maybe I can get on the same page on here?”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: huh?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> _Pyrrh:* huh?
<_Pyrrh> That was a couple days ago during twitter discussion
<_Pyrrh> disregard :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: i Don't even remember, what was it
<pikajude> What?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> dfuckckkf'
<ELLIOTTCABLE> _Pyrrh: /nick Pyrrh_
<ELLIOTTCABLE> :P
<_Pyrrh> I should do that
_Pyrrh is now known as Pyrrh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that is also suitable :P
<Pyrrh> I need to find where the alt nicks are hiding in this UI
<Pyrrh> in any case, the discussion was about crushes and whatnot I think
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm watching Galaxy Quest
<jfhbrook> that's a decent movie
<jfhbrook> I love alan rickman in GQ
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Pyrrh: ugh yes O re,e,ber tjat now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wow
<ELLIOTTCABLE> typing
<ljharb> galaxy quest is more than decent
<ljharb> it's one of the most underrated scifi movies ever
<jfhbrook> I'm also a big fan of understatement ljharb
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i'm enjoying it rn
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I forgot it existed
<ljharb> jfhbrook: touché
<jfhbrook> ahahahahahaha oh man
<jfhbrook> hold the phone
<jfhbrook> sorry
<jfhbrook> something just happened
<jfhbrook> so do any of you moderate facebook groups?
<jfhbrook> or is that something only I am left to bear?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alan rickman
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -find alan rickman
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Could not find `alan rickman`.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -learn alan rickman = Could not find `alan rickman` ... but I miss him.
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Learned `alan rickman`.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -find alan rickman
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Could not find `alan rickman` ... but I miss him.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jfhbrook: wow, ew, no
<jfhbrook> no?
<jfhbrook> well let me tell you!
<jfhbrook> actually Pyrrh do you have admin on AKRR fans?
<Pyrrh> no I did at first but then I didn't anymore? idk why
<Pyrrh> you can add me back though if you want :P I don't mind
<jfhbrook> so ELLIOTTCABLE like 7 years ago a friend of mine created a facebook group called "Alaska Railroad Fans." and it was just like 12 of us and nbd
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omg wtf
<ELLIOTTCABLE> also I'M AN ARR FAN!
<jfhbrook> ELLIOTTCABLE: but then a reality show about the alaska railroad happened, and now it's at 1700 users all "what happened to danny and animal lol"
<purr> lololol
<jfhbrook> but the thing is
<ELLIOTTCABLE> danny and animal lol?
<ljharb> rofl
<jfhbrook> characters from the tv show Railroad Alaska
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf is that
<jfhbrook> it's a tv show about the alaska railroad and off-gridders
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that sounds terrible
<jfhbrook> but the THING
<jfhbrook> the THING is
<ELLIOTTCABLE> can we make that NOT be a thing
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> is there a way to do that
<jfhbrook> think about the kind of people that are into these kind of shows
<ELLIOTTCABLE> possibly using tactical nuclear armaments
<jfhbrook> (spoiler: one correct answer includes "trump supporters")
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, lord, what
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so you have to moderate a group that doesn't share your views? that sounds un-fun
<jfhbrook> so this guy wants to join my group that is sharing ultra racist ant-blm/anti-black pro-police memes
<jfhbrook> and I said no because it's my group and I can reject racists if I want to
<jfhbrook> but now the dude is back
<Pyrrh> holy moly people are crazy
<jfhbrook> aaaand he shared a meme making fun of michelle obama for not being as hot as the princess of spain or the first lady of france
<jfhbrook> (ftr I think michele obama is gorgeous)
<Pyrrh> tbh I do too
<ELLIOTTCABLE> IN GALAXY QUEST
<Pyrrh> v classy
<ELLIOTTCABLE> THE ALIEN IS HOLDING A SPECULUM, WTF
<ELLIOTTCABLE> WHY
<jfhbrook> let's see, anti-syrian-refugees post from an internet-only "news network"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> http://ell.io/i12x9l
<jfhbrook> holy SHIT there's 9/11 denial
<jfhbrook> we have a code red
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -_- plz stahp
<jfhbrook> block user confirm
<Coraline> ELLIOTTCABLE: speaking of which, this happened to me. https://www.dropbox.com/s/eog6swosetoeoem/amazon%20recommendation.png?dl=0
<Pyrrh> lmao that totally is a speculum
<jfhbrook> someone must share my pain ELLIOTTCABLE plz
<ljharb> jfhbrook: facebook blocks can't melt steel beams
<Pyrrh> that is a bizarre prop
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Coraline: happened to you?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I thought you only needed wassums
<Coraline> Amazon recommendation
<jfhbrook> that's a special recommendation
<Coraline> "Because you purchased Zombie Survival Guide"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omg wtf
<ljharb> um
<ljharb> ummmm
<Coraline> Yeah
<Coraline> Machine learning FTW
<ljharb> ummmmmmmm
<ljharb> literally lacking the ability to even right now
* Pyrrh giggles
<Pyrrh> speculum == survival
<Pyrrh> noted
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ljharb: what
<ljharb> ELLIOTTCABLE: like, i literally can't even
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I mean okay so, let's think this through
<ELLIOTTCABLE> in one column, we have ‘problems’
<ELLIOTTCABLE> - bears
<ELLIOTTCABLE> - raiders
<ELLIOTTCABLE> - hunger
<ELLIOTTCABLE> - zombies?
<ljharb> are there bears tho? or did the zombies get them
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (last one is a maybe, nature of apocalypse indeterminate)
<ljharb> and i'm pretty sure nobody's playing football in the apocalypse
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and in the other column, we have solutions:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> - speculum
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> checks out
<ljharb> ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
<ELLIOTTCABLE> bears vs. speculum: speculum 1, bears 0
<ELLIOTTCABLE> raiders vs speculum: speculum 2, raiders 0
<ljharb> new imagery, hooray
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zombies vs. speculum: speculum 3, zombies 0
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hunger vs. speculum: speculum 3, hunger 1; let's call it a tie.
<ljharb> well i mean, at that point you can just eat the dead bears
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nobody said they were dead
<Pyrrh> well if they aren't they should have died from embarrassment
<Pyrrh> what kind of bear loses to a speculum
<Pyrrh> no self-respecting one, that's for sure
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Pyrrh: “what kind of bear loses to a speculum” wat.
<purr> beep.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ty4t
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <prophile> that's because ##C is so full of trolls you could give it a dusting of snow and call it norway
<ELLIOTTCABLE> AHHHHH I WAS TALKING TO ##C ABOUT THAT VERY QUOTE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO
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<Pyrrh> ELLIOTTCABLE "bears vs. speculum: speculum 1" Clearly the bears lost
<ljharb> altho ec is right, we don't know what "lost" means
<ljharb> it could just mean, they got pap smears
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, but your quote was a better stand-alone non-sequitur than mine
<ljharb> (sp?)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -wat
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: what the ever loving fuck are you saying
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <gq> (inb4 the answer is 'apply glitter glue, wait 5 minutes')
<Pyrrh> ljharb good point
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what @ purr
<purr> <micahjohnston> devyn: say everyone in the world eats shit for breakfast and dies at twelve after having quadruplets
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yep, that's incomprehensibly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> FUCK cups
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yep, that's alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -alan rickman @ ):
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the aliens in galaxy quest really bother me so much ugh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Tony Shalhoub
<ELLIOTTCABLE> is such a baller
<ELLIOTTCABLE> metascore of 70!/
<ELLIOTTCABLE> !? *
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf, you weren't kidding
<ELLIOTTCABLE> underrated literally
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Tony Shalhoub! Tony Shalhoub!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh fine you're all just gonna ignore me now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i'mma, just, gonna, go over here
<Pyrrh> I'm just over here drooling over cooking videos
<Pyrrh> don't mind me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I saw a thing where a famous porn actress has a tiny, unknown cooking show on youtube
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and it's just so excellent and innocent
<Pyrrh> that's pretty cool :)
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: FUCK CUPS
<alexgordon> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> I was inspired by rufus hound breaking eggs with a mallet taped to his penis
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon == cups
<ljharb> do you mean, drinking vessels, or do you mean, printer drivers
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ljharb: that's the beauty
<alexgordon> omg rufus hound
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ljharb: without context, you can never nknow
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what @ ljharb
<purr> <purr> whitequark loves git, console, purr, foo, and Adrian Thurston.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> -_- it was just a joke at elliott's expense. I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yep, that's also alexgordon
<alexgordon> found it. nsfw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57v7_n0vop4
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<alexgordon> erm, sorry textual users
<ELLIOTTCABLE> huh?
<alexgordon> textual embedded nsfw youtube screenshot
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so did irccloud lol
<purr> lolwut
<Pyrrh> lmao
<ljharb> interestingly my irccloud did not
<alexgordon> ljharb: thank your god
<ljharb> altho i did click the link and had my speakers on, and my CEO is in earshot
<ljharb> disaster averted tho
<ELLIOTTCABLE> http://i.ell.io/Q0AX
<alexgordon> xD
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -find ell.io
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Found: micahjohnston, logs, :d, fuck you, and whitequark
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -:d
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: http://ell.io/qyy6
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh wow, that's, been a while
<alexgordon> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -whitequark
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: he is actually redquark. http://ell.io/iZi8J
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: are you married yet? you must be like, 70 by now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nope, just broke up with someone today
<ELLIOTTCABLE> went buhd
<alexgordon> definitely over 40, judging by the picture you sent me the other day ;)
<alexgordon> MIDLIFE CRISIS
<ELLIOTTCABLE> buhdly
<alexgordon> buhdly?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it went badly
<alexgordon> well if a breakup goes well, it probably didn't go well
<ELLIOTTCABLE> LOOK AROUND YOU: CAN YOU FORM SOME SORT OF RUDIMENTARY LATHE?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: that's precisely what happened lol
<purr> lol
<cloudhead> what's happening
<Pyrrh> cockhammers, breakups, and speculum
<Pyrrh> you're not missing much
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: galaxy quest, alaska railroad racists (ARRR), and elliott's relationships
<cloudhead> :o
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol Pyrrh's youth w.r.t. the channel comes out
<cloudhead> checks out
<alexgordon> I accidentally wisdom
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cockhammers? speculua? those are just background noise around here
<jfhbrook> AKRRR :D that's great
<Pyrrh> jfhbrook coin that term
<cloudhead> now that you broke up, does it mean you're going to start writing code again
<Pyrrh> ELLIOTTCABLE I wasn't actually being sarcastic about not missing much ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: I'm in school, no cod 4 me lik evar
<ELLIOTTCABLE> want to see my recent code? it's horrifying
<cloudhead> I do
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I keep having to cut corners for classes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm not a hacker
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I wasn't BUILT to cut corners
<jfhbrook> I've gone at least 10 days without coding
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: more horrifying than it was before?
<alexgordon> jesus
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I am a fucking software architect I don't know HOW to cut corners ;_;
<jfhbrook> I need to stay away from the #node.js channel though
<cloudhead> alexgordon: that's what I was going to say
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: well, like ... probably completely normal for you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but horrifying for me
<alexgordon> POST IT
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I hate you all
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you're mean
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Pyrrh: save me you're new here you don't hate me yet
* Pyrrh gives ELLIOTTCABLE all the love
<jfhbrook> I only really saw paws
<jfhbrook> it goes over my head a little bit
<alexgordon> that should be in the topic
<ELLIOTTCABLE> here's a chunk
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jfhbrook: paws is simple
<ELLIOTTCABLE> my implementation is complex but the basic concept is very simple
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: HOLY SHIT IT'S READABLE
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU?!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> told you, it's very alexgordon code
<alexgordon> :S
<cloudhead> wow
<cloudhead> this code looks decent
<alexgordon> normal formatting, normal idioms
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ahhhh you're all terrible people stahp
<incomprehensibly> look at my twitter bot! http://twitter.com/thorough_dict
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol normal formatting
<purr> lololol
<jfhbrook> some dude in one of my irc channels has a problem with sleeping with other peoples' wives and is looking to me for sympathy and idk what to do
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I just set up a script to run clang-format every time the file changed on disk
<alexgordon> sup incomprehensibly
<incomprehensibly> hi alexgordon
<jfhbrook> my life is weird
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because I didn't have time to yak-shave Elliott-opinions about systems C
<jfhbrook> actually *my* life is boring, other peoples' lives are weird
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jfhbrook: why is that his problem?
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: lolol @ dictionary posting a definition of dictionary
<jfhbrook> because he could idk fucking say no?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> sounds like the other peoples' wives problem; or depending on their outlook on life, possibly the other peoples' wives' husbands' problems
<jfhbrook> I don't see it that way :( like sure these women are being shitty to their husbands, and their relationships must not be 100% of this is a thing that is happening but
<Pyrrh> jfhbrook: some people want what they can't have and also don't respect boundaries they aren't a part of. whoooooo knows why. I wouldn't give him sympathy either
<jfhbrook> come on
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 8:28:26 PM <jfhbrook> I don't see it that way :( like sure these women are being shitty to their husbands, and their relationships must not be 100% of this is a thing that is happening but
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you just literally basically said the same thing I did, so I don't see how you *don't* see it the same way? :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Oh, I missed the ‘sure’
<ELLIOTTCABLE> idk I'm really not big on monogamy
<jfhbrook> that doesn't absolve him of responsibility
<jfhbrook> and don't get me wrong, if everyone's down for poly that's fine and great
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually scratch that I'm actively anti-monogamy-as-the-default, and I consider monogamy-as-the-default to be an aspect of oppression
<Pyrrh> non-monogamy is fine as long as everyone involved is informed and consenting
<jfhbrook> but obviously not everyone was down for poly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so I get pretty pissed when people make Assumptions™ w.r.t. monogamy
<jfhbrook> call me a jealous person I don't care, I won't have it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol
<purr> undefined
<Pyrrh> but then in any responsible relationship there should always be informing and consent
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 8:29:33 PM <Pyrrh> non-monogamy is fine as long as everyone involved is informed and consenting
<alexgordon> lol you guys
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: he's not your boss or family member then who cares?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> accurately and precisely represents the precise inverse of how I feel.
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: i thought it would be cute haha
<Pyrrh> really?? Huh.
<jfhbrook> it's a support group channel alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Monogamy is … generally *okay*, ish, as long as it's entirely opt-in, well-understood by every partner, and not used as a tool for oppression or manipulation.
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: oh lol I thought this was just some guy in ##c
<jfhbrook> fuck no
<alexgordon> actually if it were some guy in ##c I wouldn't be surprised
<jfhbrook> mental health support channel
<alexgordon> man those guys are cold
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ##C *isn't* a mental-health support channel?
<jfhbrook> heh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <prophile> if a tree falls in the forest, and is linked with LTO...
<cloudhead> #vim is worse
<Pyrrh> ELLIOTTCABLE: I'm really curious about the view that non-monogamy shouldn't require everyone involved to know that's what's going on
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: that's a pretty libertarian way to look at relationships
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lmao wut
<alexgordon> magsafe saves my computer for the 5th time this week
<incomprehensibly> in that shit's all fine if it follows the paper contracts and doesn't matter if it hurts people
<jfhbrook> the way *I* see it
<jfhbrook> and I'm pretty clueless here
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: completely the opposite of how I feel?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> monogamy, throughout my life and experience, everywhere *except* on TV,
<jfhbrook> but the way *I* see it is, about the time you have the "so what ARE we" conversation it should be pretty clear if poly is going to be a thing in the relationship
<ELLIOTTCABLE> is something I've only ever seen used to wound, hurt, control, and oppress.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I see very little positive in it.
<jfhbrook> fuck I need to drink more
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I *do* believe some people do it carefully, and well, and don't use it to wound; but that is absolutely, **definitely**, not the common case.
<alexgordon> it's probably a bad idea, for personal safety reasons, to sleep with other people's wives. Especially in america where everybody is armed to the teeth
<Pyrrh> I absolutely agree that people end up forced into monogamy when they are actually poly but monogamy itself is not inherently a bad thing, just the way our society has treated it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I lol'd alexgordon
<purr> lolwut
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Pyrrh: that ... seems pretty much in alignment with my recent views /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but that's like saying that race isn't important except in how it's treated by our society, or saying that gender is a construct
<Pyrrh> I wish people could find a way to dig deep and figure out what they really want and need and honor themselves instead of doing whatever they think they are "supposed to"
<Pyrrh> Yeah that's a good point
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's a meaningless statement in any pragmatic way, and feels like a derailment?
<Pyrrh> not my intention, but noted that that was the outcome. my apologies
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: I agree to some extent that monogamy as a presumed default contract for relationships results in shitty stuff a lot of the time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no apologies lol I'm just trying to figure things out here
<jfhbrook> fuck now this guy's saying suicidal things
<ELLIOTTCABLE> tl;dr: Monogamy, the way it's actively practiced, is bad for people; and more importantly, is reliably and actively worse for any oppressed peoples involved
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: but like. when two people have a pre-agreed-upon monogamous relationship, and you have sex with one of them without the other one knowing, you KNOW that that will constitute a betrayal of that agreement
<jfhbrook> you see why this matters more than just some dipshit rando in ##c no?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> thus, Monogamy ~== Bad
<Pyrrh> I can definitely get on board with that tl;dr
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: lol i'm going to call bullshit on the intersectionality multiplier there
<alexgordon> lol you guys...
<ELLIOTTCABLE> multiplier?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: HI WELCOME TO THE NEW #ELLIOTTCABLE
<incomprehensibly> like "worse for oppressed people"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> would you prefer I talk about Paws? :3
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so, executions
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: IT'S AWFUL
<ELLIOTTCABLE> are basically like continuations
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but not really
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and can time-travel
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: anyway, if you want to solve/get rid of monogamy, the solution is NOT to go around fucking people's spouses.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's p. cool
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: but still better than metaphysics #elliottcable
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: oh, agreed
<alexgordon> man that was shit
<incomprehensibly> it's to raise awareness of the option of nonmonogamy
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don't think it's a GOOD thing
<incomprehensibly> I think it's an actively hurtful thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I just don't think it's a *BAD* thing.
<incomprehensibly> I think it is a bad thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> If you, and another human, like eachother, then their interactions with third parties only affect you in ways that, well, directly affect you.
<incomprehensibly> like you have two local maxima of goodness
<incomprehensibly> monogamy and polyamory
<ELLIOTTCABLE> For instance, as a signifier as *their* potential as an exclusive partner: mayyyyybe not so good, lol?
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> and fucking someone's spouse is dragging people down the hill into a local minimum
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm
<Pyrrh> I'd agree that violation of a contract you entered into is a bad and harmful thing, but what about a person who has been tricked/trapped/etc into it? it's such a gray area
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, definitely: we're having a discussion sans context
<Pyrrh> like, none of us know *why* these wives are going outside their marriages
<incomprehensibly> if you fuck someone's spouse you ARE interacting with that person
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and sans specific context that negates it, I think I can make a general statement that <some other supposedly-monogamous relationship> is irrelevant to <your relationship with a person>
<jfhbrook> The context in this case was pretty clear
<jfhbrook> he did not expect his friend to fuck his wife while he was out of town
<incomprehensibly> by YOUR actions, you are causing the situation of their life to change from having a loyal spouse to having a disloyal spouse
<ELLIOTTCABLE> er, what
<ELLIOTTCABLE> absolutely and categorically not the case
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the person was already a loyal spouse
<incomprehensibly> ok so if you KILL someone
<incomprehensibly> you're not affecting their spouse
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you aren't *seducing* someone away using your Mind Powers
<incomprehensibly> you're just affecting your relationship with that person
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the person is a willing, consenting partner *already*
<jfhbrook> in fact it was like, hey, take my wife out to dinner so she has something to do but DON'T fuck her
<ELLIOTTCABLE> as a pre-requisite for this discussion
<jfhbrook> I was even like, bro don't give her a foot massage
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because if that is *not* the case, you're a rapist
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and my concern is no longer whether you're contributing to disloyaly.
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: lol I am also assuming consent
<incomprehensibly> if you think that you have a free pass
<incomprehensibly> and you're not a worse person
<ELLIOTTCABLE> reword reword
<incomprehensibly> because you're not in the contract
* ELLIOTTCABLE WHERE'S VAGNARD VIVIAN WHEN YOU NEED HER
<alexgordon> the conclusion this channel has reached: FUCKING SOMEONE'S WIFE IS BAD
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<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: amazingly, ELLIOTTCABLE has not conceded that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol
<purr> undefined
<alexgordon> oh, well carry on
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ‘Someone disagrees with me! I think this is amazing!’
<ELLIOTTCABLE> okay that's unkind, but
<ELLIOTTCABLE> srsly I'm very convinced I'm making a clear, important argument here
<incomprehensibly> i apologize, saying amazingly was also unkind
<ELLIOTTCABLE> <3 incomprehensibly
<purr> Let it be known that ELLIOTTCABLE hearts incomprehensibly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -loves ELLIOTTCABLE
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: ELLIOTTCABLE loves scotch, Owl City, Bastion, Max, Bitcoin, IRCCloud, nicoou, E>, all been a while want to talk soon can we have sex? okay bye, purr, ohhmaar, Spose, joelteon, gq, <3 <3, -liar, ljharb, undefined, audy, and incomprehensibly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “ all been a while want to talk soon can we have sex? okay bye, purr”
<jfhbrook> very nice
<Pyrrh> idk I've been on both sides of this coin. Like I slept with this girl for a while who was in town for business for a few months cause if it wasn't me it was gonna be many other people but her girlfriend didn't and doesn't know about it, while my ex-husband was fully aware. It caused me to institute a strict "no-secretive-sexual-relationships" rule in my life but at the same time I also was the lesser of two evils for her
<alexgordon> maximum wall of text allowed by irc
<Pyrrh> there's no clear-cut line IMO
<Pyrrh> uh oh
<jfhbrook> afaik I have been on neither side
<jfhbrook> though
<Pyrrh> where did it cut off?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 8:42:52 PM <purr> Let it be known that ELLIOTTCABLE is indifferent to all been a while want to talk soon can we have sex? okay bye.
<cloudhead> I think I'm on ELLIOTTCABLE's side on this... for once
<jfhbrook> my ex hooked up with this dude like 2 weeks after we broke up so WHO THE FUCK KNOWS
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I got the whole message, I think?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I think you just came impressively close to the character-limit
<alexgordon> Pyrrh: are you male or female?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what's the IRC equivalent of a twoosh
<jfhbrook> what's a twoosh?
<incomprehensibly> twirsch
<jfhbrook> why aren't these beers stronger?
<pikajude> okay bye, purr
<Pyrrh> alexgordon: Non-binary, biologically female
<cloudhead> If my girlfriend sleeps with another guy I have no relation to, I won't be mad at the guy, he did nothing wrong.
<Pyrrh> I present as pretty traditionally female though
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Pyrrh: pronouns?
<jfhbrook> oh I didn't know that Pyrrh
<Pyrrh> she/they
<ELLIOTTCABLE> depends on whether you pronounce it ‘eark’ or ‘eye-are-see’
<Pyrrh> either or
<pikajude> my ex uses casual sex as a coping mechanism
<ELLIOTTCABLE> earkoosh, ircoosh, works
<pikajude> so I happened to see her on tinder the day after we broke up
<jfhbrook> I've never had casual sex :(
<pikajude> same
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but eye-are-see-oosh is more awkward, so maybe ... eye-are-swoosh? irswosh?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> irswoosh*
<Pyrrh> I don't like casual sex. It squicks me
<alexgordon> Pyrrh: probably most men would have much less of a problem if their wife had an affair with another woman
<alexgordon> than with a man
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: raises an important point
<jfhbrook> idk I'd still be bothered
<pikajude> i would be bothered too
<ELLIOTTCABLE> All of my arguments *only* apply if it's just A Married Person.
<alexgordon> jfhbrook, pikajude: but not AS bothered
<Pyrrh> alexgordon: true in some cases. but the girlfriend/wife of a woman is definitely not going to be in the same boat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's (hopefully obviously) more complicated if you have additional social contracts and connections to consider
<pikajude> it's gonna be really bothersome when she gets into a relationship again
<jfhbrook> no, I think just as bothered alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE> friendship with the person, friendship with the exclusive partner ...
<cloudhead> exactly ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ughhhhh yes Pyrrh
<pikajude> I'm not very excited about the ASD-typical tendency to fixate on a particular person
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've had casual sex ONCE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and it was literally the third-worst experience of my life
<alexgordon> really? well I don't think you guys are normal
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, quite deserving of the word *horrific*
<pikajude> because it bites me
<pikajude> A lot
<pikajude> My therapist said I should totally cut her off for like, 6 months
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: ASD?
<pikajude> autism spectrum
<ELLIOTTCABLE> GALAXY QUEST
<ELLIOTTCABLE> PAWS
<ELLIOTTCABLE> brb gonna drop out of school and write more paws
<pikajude> the D stands for dingleberry
<jfhbrook> I'm definitely not normal alexgordon
<incomprehensibly> all been a while want to talk soon can we have sex?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: yes!
<pikajude> I found out that if I crush up two valium and parachute it it works a lot better than just taking them normally
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ’parachute¿‘
<pikajude> crush it up, put it in a napkin or toilet paper
<pikajude> swallow that
<pikajude> It's so you don't have to taste the dust
<pikajude> Or get a perforated septum from snorting
<pikajude> But I almost felt normal for a little bit this morning
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf
<pikajude> Which was cool
<ELLIOTTCABLE> people do that, also, how
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wait I guess it'd make sense with rice-paper
<alexgordon> wait you eat the paper?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why, just to increase the uptake rate?
<jfhbrook> careful with the benzos pikajude
<alexgordon> da fuck
<pikajude> If you peel a tissue in half, it's very very thin
<ELLIOTTCABLE> benzjude
<pikajude> I mean, paper isn't necessarily harmful to eat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> benzajude
<pikajude> depending on where it came from
<pikajude> but I'm not swallowing post-it notes or laminate
<Pyrrh> I second the note of caution
<alexgordon> also aren't some drugs designed for slow release, so if you crush it up you'll get a bigger dose?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh so I have a really compfy sweater
<pikajude> alexgordon: that's the point, isn't it?
<incomprehensibly> nobod loves my twitter bot he only has 4 followers :'(
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that the girl I just dumped loaned me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don't want to wear it, it's too cute and smells like her
<alexgordon> pikajude: so it's cost saving? lol
<purr> lols
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but I'm cold -_-
<jfhbrook> why'd you dump her?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: i love your twitter bot
<pikajude> people crush pills to work around the XR thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I just don't follow bots
Coraline is now known as CoralineZzz
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> people who make bots need to make different-regularity versions
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: she slept with this guy from ##c
<Pyrrh> if you don't like XR or ER why not get your MD to prescribe something short-acting?
<jfhbrook> seriously?
<alexgordon> no xD
<jfhbrook> man how the fuck do you pick up chicks on ir---oh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> @thebot tweets once per hour, @thebot_6h retweets every 6th one, @thebot_24h retweets every 24th one ...
<pikajude> Pyrrh: I'm not a pharmacologist
<pikajude> All I know is it makes me feel better
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've slept with a number of people from IRC
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I, uh
<alexgordon> really?
<jfhbrook> hey, protips appreciated :)
<alexgordon> men, presumably
<jfhbrook> XD
<Pyrrh> pikajude: fair enough
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've, surprisingly, slept with nobody in /names?
<pikajude> I don't want to let on (yet) that I'm abusing prescription drugs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how the fuck have I know all of you for six or seven years and banged *none of you*
<Pyrrh> yeah I'd keep that on the DL as long as possible
<pikajude> This isn't the time to try to deal with withdrawal
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I should have ALL of my friendships on irc o_o
<jfhbrook> I wear a chastity belt ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jfhastity
<pikajude> Downside of benzos is that they in combination with not eating make you feel really lightheaded
<pikajude> and now I'm a little worried about driving home
<alexgordon> jfhbrook eats corn flakes every morning
* ELLIOTTCABLE hugs pikajude hard
<jfhbrook> alexgordon: I have coffee for breakfast, I'll have you know
* alexgordon wonders if anybody will get that one...
<ELLIOTTCABLE> god that horrific C from earlier
<jfhbrook> also pikajude the achilles heel, imo, is alcohol
<pikajude> I think I've reached the point in my life where I just need to pound drugs into my body every 8 hours
<jfhbrook> (please don't drink)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: wat.
<purr> beep.
<jfhbrook> I, uhh
<pikajude> well I'm not very good at breakups
<Pyrrh> after my surgery earlier this year I had to set an alarm for every 8 hrs to get my meds in me
<Pyrrh> I hate living by the clock
<alexgordon> pikajude: you should talk to Navarr
<pikajude> why
<jfhbrook> I have daily meds for BD so like, not the same frequency but I feel that
<alexgordon> pikajude: #elliottcable meme
<pikajude> ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wait literally why tho
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don't have a very good memory and this meme isn't in the bot?
<pikajude> actually all I've had for the past 18 hours is a red bull
<ELLIOTTCABLE> shit i want a redbull
<pikajude> and 20mg of valium
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and a past 18 hours
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no valium tho i'm good
<alexgordon> Navarr was perpetually breaking up, and then getting back together with his girlfriend
<pikajude> this is really interesting
<pikajude> I feel spacey
<ELLIOTTCABLE> really!?
<alexgordon> in fact he only arrived to announce one or the other
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don;t remember this at all
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i remember the forty-some cloudheads though,
<pikajude> But this is better than the incessant vomiting from yesterday
<alexgordon> oh man I'd forgotten that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and getting k-lined for the forty-some cloudheads
<alexgordon> -cloudhead
<purr> alexgordon: his HEADs are in The Cloud™
<alexgordon> heads, indeed :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -find cloudh
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Found: cloudhead and you’re next
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ahhah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -you]re next
<ELLIOTTCABLE> derp
<pikajude> It's times like this where I regret that all of the people I know are from IRC
<cloudhead> D:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: come hang in chicago
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how long a drive
<alexgordon> pikajude: wat.
<purr> beep.
<pikajude> I know one person IRL and he's about to move back to Oakland
<ELLIOTTCABLE> where do you live
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> read the fucking ... n?
<pikajude> ELLIOTTCABLE: That's about 31 hours
<pikajude> I'm in the bay area
<alexgordon> what lol
<purr> lololol
<pikajude> I liked chicago
<alexgordon> must be hard to find people with shared interests in the bay area
<pikajude> thanks for the input
<jfhbrook> heh
<incomprehensibly> how do you make famous twitter bots
<incomprehensibly> mine isn't famous yet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ba area
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's a trash area]move to chicag
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and be fran
<jfhbrook> I'm in new york
<jfhbrook> and I mostly like it
<alexgordon> RIP ELLIOTTCABLE's keyboard
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 8:55:54 PM <+alexgordon> must be hard to find people with shared interests in the bay area
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 100% why I won't live in the bay area
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'd literally just hang out with nerds all day
<pikajude> alexgordon was being sarcastic
<alexgordon> indeed
<pikajude> mocking my complaint about not having friends IRL
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it'd be *too fucking easy*, like, I'd be lazy, and not form quality, meaningful relationships
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'd just talk to whoever was interested in Paws, or talk to whoever was writing low-level javascript, or talk to whoever had work I was interested in
<ELLIOTTCABLE> instead of like carefully hunting down humans I get along with, despite a complete lack of shared interests
<purr> hah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omfg purr
<pikajude> gonna try to drive home, BRB
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude:
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: problem is nerds suck
<jfhbrook> I don't like hunting down humans
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that sounds like a bad idea
<cloudhead> that's a strange assumption
<pikajude> I'll be fine
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: remember the ovoids? DON'T REPEAT THE OVOIDS
<cloudhead> nerds aren't created equal
<pikajude> I'll stay off the freeway
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: exactly
<incomprehensibly> present company excepted
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: zero interest in being around them
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: wat.
<purr> beep.
<jfhbrook> I'm going to be working from home, I'm kinda scared about my mental state longterm
<pikajude> nerds are all created equal
<jfhbrook> I'm gonna see like 3 people ever
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I go to a tech school now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and I just, ditch campus ASAFP
<ELLIOTTCABLE> before people can drag me into their bullshit or make me socailize with them
<pikajude> If I talk to one more nerd IRL I'm going to throw up my lungs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because I'm *terrified* of making Nerd Friends
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: wat.
<purr> beep.
<pikajude> These two guys in the work gym have talked consistently about networking code since mid-july
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: it's never been a problem for you before
<pikajude> In the gym
<jfhbrook> most of my friends are nerd friends to some extent
<jfhbrook> I'm okay with it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: WHD DO YOU LIVE IN THAT HELLHOLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> RUN AWAYYYY
<jfhbrook> except I have a complete fucking inability to not talk about work
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: just start drinking again
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: huh?
* jfhbrook starts drinking again
* alexgordon gets out the elliottcable party picture
<pikajude> Two neckbeards making no significant progress in the gym, talking about python and network controllers.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> those weren't nerds! o_O
<alexgordon> exactly!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm, I'm confused
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Oh
<cloudhead> what is happening
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I mis-read. that.
<pikajude> I'd totally have them lie down next to me while i'm deadlifting
<alexgordon> I mean, you've never had a problem making nerd friends
<pikajude> and lose my footing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: specula and purr
<pikajude> ok, for REAL
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and footing, which is like fisting but with other appendages
<pikajude> Enough complaining, I'm going to throw caution to the winds
<alexgordon> cloudhead: AND COCKHAMMERS
<pikajude> BRB
<cloudhead> D:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: ._.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pikajude: wanna phone while you drive? :O
<cloudhead> I must rest now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'll teach you Paws and you'll hate your life :P
<pikajude> Phone into IRC?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: NEVER
<pikajude> Or phone into EC?
<jfhbrook> fuck why did I buy old bay flavored beer this is awful
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what *is* a cockhammer
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and where is EC
<jfhbrook> it tastes like a ramen packet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Ecuador?
<pikajude> ELLIOTTCABLE: I'm looking at his nick right now
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: you are EC
<ELLIOTTCABLE> poh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that makes sense.
ELLIOTTCABLE is now known as ec
<alexgordon> -what
<purr> <yorick> yeah but they would have been better if the rest of me was female :P
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<ec> wat
<alexgordon> it would be strange if half of you were female and half were male
<alexgordon> like, the left and righth halves
<ec> hm
<alexgordon> one boob, and one ball
<ec> I have multi-participant system friends, but I've never asked any of them their genders
<ec> I wonder if I have any multi-(distinct)-gender friends
<alexgordon> but on opposite sides. you might be a little unbalanced
<ec> worst of both worlds
<Pyrrh> I have a friend who is a chimera. Ate his twin in-utero. Has one testicle and one ovary and some male and some female DNA depending on where you pull it from
<jfhbrook> no shit
<alexgordon> cool
<Pyrrh> totally a plausible thing
<jfhbrook> that's craaazy
<ec> *wild
<jfhbrook> sure
<Pyrrh> Yeah it kind of is. He's super open about it though which is so rad
<ec> idk ableism
<ec> still not one I grasp or get along with internally
<purr> hah
<ec> I just kinda play the words GOD DAMNIT PURR
<jfhbrook> as someone who has been literally crazy
<jfhbrook> I think crazy has multiple meanings
<jfhbrook> like, don't call me crazy, but
<jfhbrook> feel free to call situations crazy
<Pyrrh> AND DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY
<jfhbrook> unless you're my ex, she can call me crazy
<jfhbrook> it's only fair ;D
<Pyrrh> lol
<purr> undefined
<ec> I wish my offline pets said ‘undefined’ once in a while
<ec> it's like the most endearing thing that's ever happened to me
<jfhbrook> my parakeet knows no words
<ec> I grin so big
<Pyrrh> I should write a bot
<jfhbrook> if he could learn words, teaching him "not a number" would be a good idea
<Pyrrh> ahahaha jfhbrook that would be so excellent
<ec> yesss
<jfhbrook> "not a number undefined null... null tweet undefined"
<ec> NOT A NUMBER! NOT A NUMBER!
<ec> BAAWK
<ec> NOT A NUMBER!
<ec> NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNBATMAN!
<jfhbrook> Pyrrh: do you still have birds?
<jfhbrook> Pyrrh: also why does your dog have a weeaboo name? adopted?
<Pyrrh> nah Auryn took them. which is fine, it turns out I'm allergic to feathers
<Pyrrh> Do you mean Rukia? lol. Cause I gave it to her
<Pyrrh> similar backstories (kinda)
<jfhbrook> okay, then I'm making fun of you but only a little bit
<Pyrrh> you do that
<Pyrrh> I love Bleach
<Pyrrh> I'm not ashamed
<jfhbrook> oh is that what it's from?
<Pyrrh> yeah
<ec> ugh
<ec> anime
<jfhbrook> I like making "how foolish of you to ________ with only your zapakuto" jokes
<ec> this girl I just dumped made me watch an anime
<jfhbrook> based on the 4 or 5 episodes KB had
<Pyrrh> jfhbrook: lmao, that's awesome
<ec> I feel like I just gave up my virginity to a one-night stand, basically
<Pyrrh> I didn't think I'd like animes but they totally grew on me
<ec> except I was never planning to give it up at all and now I have a STD
<ec> ... except ... it's anime ... or something
<ec> yeah the analogy is shakey don't judge me
<ec> yeah, I really liked One Punch Man
<jfhbrook> Pyrrh: especially to programming things
<Pyrrh> bahaha
<ec> hwi do tou to know eachother
<ec> er, wow.
<jfhbrook> we went over this XD
<Pyrrh> me an' jfhbrook? college
<Pyrrh> That was in the other channel
<Pyrrh> actually
<Pyrrh> I think
<jfhbrook> oh
<jfhbrook> I thought we had this conversation here too
<Pyrrh> at least, the TL;DR is 'college'
<ec> what other channel
<jfhbrook> ec: some people I knew from nodejitsu, mostly
<Pyrrh> idk I just follow him around IRC like a lost puppy
<Pyrrh> "please, sir, can I have more channels?"
<ec> I should have mentioned this ahead-of-time, but #ELLIOTTCABLE is a monotrofic channel
<ec> I made that word up out of some greek and it means ‘you can only chat here you can't chat with anyone else if chat with us’
<jfhbrook> oh
<ec> i'm pretty sure I'm still banned from nodejitsu for no reason
<jfhbrook> well I'm gonna continue to break the rules
<Pyrrh> OH SHIT how could I accidentally violate the most important of rules
<jfhbrook> ehhh, nobody's in #nodejitsu anymore I don't think, I certainly aren't
<Pyrrh> I accept punishment by way of 50 lashes with a wet noodle
<jfhbrook> but like I hardly remember our irc moderation policies
<ec> -fish @ Pyrrh
<ec> hm
<ec> -find fish
<purr> ec: Found: gqbe and gqbe'smemory
<ec> -find trout
<purr> ec: Could not find `trout`.
<ec> is that not a feature
<ec> thought every irc bot ever had that feature
<ec> jfhbrook: oh, not for a reason
<jfhbrook> because marak ec ?
<ec> I was accidentally muted, and then one of the ops thought it was funny, so it was like, a thing they would never undo
<jfhbrook> marak is/was a vengeful spirit
<ec> and I was never straightforward enough to make it clear I was actually annoyed/offended by it, so it just sort of, lasted
<jfhbrook> marak would get a kick out of that
<jfhbrook> I was just support/jr-dev
<jfhbrook> maybe charlie had an ops bit but he's not that vindictive
<ec> jrdev
<ec> I don't remember woah it's a long time ago
<jfhbrook> yeah
<jfhbrook> you know that facebro thing where they ripped off timehop?
<jfhbrook> 5 years ago I was just starting at nodjatso and there was a post all like "I'm learning so much and my boss is so patient"
<jfhbrook> I just kinda laughed
<jfhbrook> cause I still have a lot to learn, but now I'm tired rather than eager
<Pyrrh> fwiw I think there's always a lot to learn
<ec> that's the nature of programming
<jfhbrook> I don't deny that
<ec> unless you're in a very, very specialized area, it's all just breadth
<ec> breadth, breadth, breadth
<Pyrrh> I just hope I can find my eager side again when I graduate cause it makes new careers so much less stressful
<jfhbrook> it's just more obviously sysyph--sysif---like the dude with the boulder
<ec> you can master basically any fucking task in six months, but there's always going to be 10,000 other tools or approaches or wtfever that you know nothing about
<ec> it's just so burnout-y
<jfhbrook> I kinda wanna start hacking with solr
<Pyrrh> yeah I'm scared about that. burnout is a serious problem with me
<ec> there's no *plateau* where you both know a hell of a lot, still have a little left to learn, and yet are doing meaningful work
<Pyrrh> jfhbrook why not now?
<Pyrrh> just do it
<Pyrrh> gogogogo
<ec> Pyrrh: programmin' sucks
<ec> Pyrrh: switch to math
<jfhbrook> why not hack with solr? because I'm ******tired*******
<ec> come w/ me on a journey of confusion
<Pyrrh> ec yeah but I liiiiiike it
<ec> we'll bug incomprehensibly when we get confused
<Pyrrh> math and I don't get along cause proofs.
<purr> hah
<ec> same
<Pyrrh> I like concrete math
<jfhbrook> that doesn't change the fact that people tell me about ELK and I get irritated
<Pyrrh> I hate theoretical shit
<ec> taking the discrete-maths introduction right now again
<ec> and about to DESTROY it
<Pyrrh> ick
<ec> very very scared
<ec> and/or very very confident
<ec> depending on day of the week
<Pyrrh> a mix of both is probably ideal
<ec> but I'm fucking READY to attack math and be done with ‘programming’ as I've previously known it
<Pyrrh> I flipped through my databases textbook for the fall and it's got some induction in it so that makes me unhappy
<jfhbrook> like you know that thing where rotting garbage can get so hot by virtue of biobullshit alone that it catches aflame?
<jfhbrook> that's elasticsearch
<ec> the consentacles scene from galaxy quest
<ec> is bae
<alexgordon> did someone mention math?
<ec> awwwwuh and then rock-dude in space, how cute is that
<alexgordon> rock dude is the shittiest superhero name ever
<ec> NO
<ec> best
<ec> Pyrrh: your name being similar to purr is very confusing
<ec> do you pyrrh
<Pyrrh> I'm sorry :( If it helps, it's pronounced "peer"
<ec> b/cuz purr purrs
<ec> -purr
* purr
<Pyrrh> I do purr also though
<ec> -pyrrh
<ec> !pyrrh
<ec> ,pyrrh
<ec> what's your invocation character
<jfhbrook> the "middle finger" emoji
<Pyrrh> everyone thinks it's 'purr' and my classmates have shortened it to 'puh' XD
<Pyrrh> ding ding ding jfhbrook we have a winner
<jfhbrook> alternately, like 6 claps
<ec>
* Pyrrh purrs
* purr rrrrrr
<ec> no
<ec> omg
<ec> omg.
<Pyrrh> lmao
<ec> that's like the time my bot misgendered, uh, someone
<ec> when was that, that was recent, right?
<jfhbrook> nice™
<ec> el oh el emergent bot behaviour
<jfhbrook> at least your bot didn't, idk, learn passages from mein kampfh
<ec> true dat
<ec> was that vivian?
<ec> who the fuck was that!?
<ec> CORALINE
* ec hugs CoralineZzz
<ec> my eyes hurt
<ec> )=
<incomprehensibly> 8:14:27 PM <jfhbrook> it's just more obviously sysyph--sysif---like the dude with the boulder
<incomprehensibly> :O)
<ec> parents
<Pyrrh> what about 'em?
<ec> parents
<ec> clearly
<ec> has anyone other than me ever seen Dark Matter
<Pyrrh> the TV show on Netflix?
<ec> yahs
<ec> galaxy quest over, now, stardust
<Pyrrh> I have
<ec> or maybe i'll go play with mains electricity instead
<ec> send wisdom and caution brb horribleness
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<jfhbrook> heh
<jfhbrook> my drunk snacks are already gone
<ec> dracks
<jfhbrook> I am sad
<ec> jfsnackbrook
<ljharb> aren't you in a city with postmates tho
<incomprehensibly> i think the trauma of my embedded systems class is finally receding
<incomprehensibly> i'm getting the urge to buy raspi zeros and make cute music shit
<incomprehensibly> with buttons and knobs
<ec> I'm so chilly
<ec> When I get sad, emotionally cold, I get uncontrollably physically cold
<ec> wrap myself up in every warm thing in the house, adding approximately one per hour
<jfhbrook> what is psotmates ljharb
<ec> so far I'm up to:
<ec> - sweatpants
<ec> - warm socks
<ec> - sweatshirt (I put on the cute one. fuckit.)
<ec> about to acquire,
<ec> - bathrobe
<jfhbrook> none of my clothes are cute
<ec> and eventually,
<ec> - blanket
<ljharb> jfhbrook: wut? srsly?
<jfhbrook> I'm completely okay with that
<ec> until I am swaddiott
<jfhbrook> seriously ljharb what is postmates
<ec> swadliott?
<ec> jfhbrook: D:
<ec> don't you live in the bay area
<ec> postmates.com
<ljharb> jfhbrook: an on demand iphone app that you can use to get anything delivered
<jfhbrook> no I live in new york
<ec> it's uber for A Dude On A Bike Who Brings You Anything
<ljharb> new york def has it
<jfhbrook> which is the east coast bay area
<ec> I subsist on postmates
<ec> subsistmates
<ljharb> postsist
<ec> i am broken and combine words way too often
<jfhbrook> the only difference between new york and sf is I love new york and hate sf
<ec> I have a distant ex who would always complain about it
<jfhbrook> :D
<ec> explain
<ec> ahhahah
<ec> that one
<ec> I like
<jfhbrook> I'm gonna be really sad when I price out
<jfhbrook> by the time I can afford a down payment on a coop here they'll be out of reach
<ec> you want to live in a coop
<jfhbrook> I want to own something
<ec> ... this very clearly means coöp and not the chicken kind, ignore me
<jfhbrook> and I want to live in brooklyn
<ec> what is a living-coop?
<jfhbrook> it's like
<jfhbrook> I'm fuzzy on the details but it's kinda like a condo
<jfhbrook> I think what happens is an organization buys a building
<jfhbrook> and then sells shares to the residents
<ec> -g what is the difference between a coop and condo
<ec> oh that's right -g is permabroken
<ec> goddamnit
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: shares in the company?
<alexgordon> holy shit what a terrible idea
<jfhbrook> ehh
<jfhbrook> I've heard worse ideas
<alexgordon> are the shares liquid?
<jfhbrook> the shitty part about this idea is I need to find 9 neighbors that are down for indoor weed-smoking ;D
<ec> ew
<alexgordon> if I own an apartment I can put it on the market. how do you sell shares in a company that are an apartment?
<ec> thank god i live where I do
<ec> some of that nastiness comes through my drier sometimes though
<ec> which is infinitely annoying
<ec> when that occurs, I have to re-wash my clothes, or deal with the smell in everything I own for a week -_-
<jfhbrook> you just do alexgordon from the perspective of browsing on zillow you're just buying an apartment
<alexgordon> but you're _not_ buying an apartment
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: you're buying shares in an apartment, something that has inherently less rights
<alexgordon> *in a company
<ec> “ There is no question that there are more co-ops than condos in New York City, but the gap has been narrowing in recent decades.”
<ec> so this is like a Whole Thing that exists and is common!?
<ec> how have I never heard of this? ever!?
<ec> is it only in NYC?
<ec> my sister isn't responding to my texts and I am devastated
<ec> somebody pop over to Montana plz
<ec> Pyrrh: you're not far, mind taking a jog?
<jfhbrook> no idea ec :D
<ec> jfhbrook: like, I know, a whole lot, of money and investment things
<ec> and yet I have literally *never* heard of this
<alexgordon> yeah me neither
<ec> and I'm immensely invested in real-estate all over the country
<alexgordon> to be fair my entire knowledge of condos is based on watching reruns of Frasier
<ec> Alaska, Texas, Montana, Illinois, NC; I'm pretty sure this has gotta be an NYC, or at least north-eastern, thing O_O
<ec> alexgordon: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> omg
<ec> excellent excellent keeping excellent
<ec> DADS
<ec> the dad in starburst
<ec> stardust
<ec> stardad
<ec> !
<alexgordon> and I can't really talk considering the pseudo-feudal system of leases in the uk
<ec> alexgordon: tell me more
<alexgordon> I don't really understand it
<ec> my english-fetish is tingling
<alexgordon> ec: in the UK condos are called flats, and they are almost always leasehold. When you buy a flat it comes with a lease for N years
<ec> “Tristan, I can tell you that ... every man I envied when *we* were boys, has led an *unremarkable* life.”
<ec> IT'S SO TRUE THO
<ec> alexgordon: ‘buy’
<alexgordon> yeah 'buy'
<jfhbrook> I'm pretty shitty at money
<jfhbrook> I just know that I'd rather be paying towards owning something
<alexgordon> ec: at some point, you have to renew the lease, by paying a sum of money to the real owner
<jfhbrook> even if it's shares in a corporation
<jfhbrook> than paying to not own something
<alexgordon> ec: the formula for this _is written into the law_
<ec> mmmmm
<ec> jfhbrook: mmmmm,
<alexgordon> ec: it mainly depends on your "ground rent", which is usually some small amount. Sometimes the ground rent is like £1, this is called a "peppercorn rent"
<ec> generally ... no
<alexgordon> it's an insanely wonky system that has clearly evolved over hundreds of years
<ec> like sweeping generalizations etc, but. If you're young, and if you don't have a large set of additional constraints that change the game ... renting is almost guaranteed to be better than owning.
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<ec> alexgordon: so basically everything else about the u.k.
<ec> Coraline: wtf you doing awake
<jfhbrook> ec: have you ever tried to buy Sailor Boy Pilot Bread outside AK?
<alexgordon> ec: pretty much
<ec> jfhbrook: I don't think I've even ever had it
<jfhbrook> huh!
<Coraline> ec: It's two hours to bedtime
<jfhbrook> I'm drunk enough to think that getting some for my friend's birthday is a good idea
<ec> ditto
<ec> I don't want it to be
<ec> I have electrical work to do
<ec> but dunwanna do it
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> the thing i'm watching is reminding me of a thing i watched with the person I broke up with today and i'm going back to A Bad Place Yay
<jfhbrook> alexgordon: it's a food that's only eaten in alaska despite being manufactured on the east coast
<jfhbrook> alexgordon: it's a specific brand of hardtack
<alexgordon> lol cool
<purr> lol.
<alexgordon> but I have a dirty mind and "getting some" will be funny in about 5 years time when it appears out of nowhere
<jfhbrook> good with smoked salmon (also hard to find outside AK) or even peanut butter
<ec> -what @ alexgordon
<purr> <Navarr> i'm wondering if #Paws isn't really a language, but a state of zen
<alexgordon> :D
<jfhbrook> (lox is NOT smoked salmon)
<ec> SEE HE DID SPEAK OF THINGS OTHER THAN BREAKUPS
<ec> omg
<alexgordon> friends don't let friends smoke salmon
<ec> remember when this was ##Hat
<ec> say *that* ten times fast
<ec> hash-hash-hat, hash-hash-hat, hash-hash-hat
<jfhbrook> it sucks that I'm a point in my life where I'm almost jealous of a breakup
<alexgordon> just tried to join and it said I have to be invited :(
<jfhbrook> like I should reevaluate things
<jfhbrook> if that's where I'm at
<alexgordon> jfhbrook: that is literally the saddest thing I've heard this week
<jfhbrook> thanks >_<
<ec> jfhbrook: I remember *that* feeling
<ec> idk if same reasons but yeah
<alexgordon> I DON'T
<alexgordon> you people are weird
<jfhbrook> I'm like
<alexgordon> I'm gonna go hug my imaginary girlfriend
<ec> I spent a majority of my childhood telling myself “All I really want in life is to have been dumped, just once; because it'd imply anyone had ever been with me even for a brief while”
<jfhbrook> drunk enough to hint at my relationship problems but not drunk enough to actively start baww-ing about them
<ec> it was. sad and childish and naïve.
<ec> jfhbrook: plz baw
<ec> -topic ##Baw
<purr> ec: SyntaxError: Syntax is `s/expression/replacetext/gi`.
<jfhbrook> don't worry, you've seen right through me
<jfhbrook> and I'm sure one more beer will suffice
<alexgordon> damn you elliottcable. I brushed my teeth cause I was going to go to bed, but now I'm up late and I'm starving hungry
ec changed the topic of #elliottcable to: ##Paw
<ec> alexgordon: YES
<ec> YES SINK IN TO THE OLD WAYS
<ec> alexgordon: wanna learn paws
<ec> write a paws, I'll give you a diamond
<alexgordon> HELP MY STOMACH
<ec> I've decided to pay programmers exclusively in precious stones
<alexgordon> cool
<ec> I'll be the L.A.-baller-eligrey
<ec> get dat bling, implement me sum algorithms boi
<alexgordon> I can be like naomi campbell!
<ec> -g naomi campbell
<ec>
<ec> I do not understand
<ec> “Naomi Campbell On Whether Or Not Ring Size Matters”
<jfhbrook> I wish I bought more snaxx
<alexgordon> > the average price of a condo in Manhattan was $1.766 million, compared with $1.216 million for a co-op
<alexgordon> holy shit
<jfhbrook> I'm looking at 600k for a coop in brooklyn
<alexgordon> christ
<jfhbrook> yeah
<jfhbrook> yeah.
<alexgordon> if I manage to make 600k in my whole life I'll be happy
<jfhbrook> by the time I can afford a 20% down payment I might just decide to, like
<jfhbrook> buy in outer brooklyn
<jfhbrook> off the bq
<jfhbrook> whew
<jfhbrook> drinking this much beer is *work*
<Coraline> Has anyone heard of the Pocket Chip?
<jfhbrook> nah
<Coraline> It
<Coraline> It looks pretty cool and hackable. A mini ARM-based computer, calculator size, with i/o ports like an Arduino
<Coraline> $69 wtih case
<jfhbrook> arm? neato
<jfhbrook> I've screwed with raspis a few times
<jfhbrook> shitty thing there was, you really gotta get a cross-compile toolchain going
<jfhbrook> holy crap iterm2
<jfhbrook> oh neat it comes with a screen Coraline that's dope
<jfhbrook> I was expecting like a raspi with nothing
<pikajude> hi
<purr> pikajude: hi!
<pikajude> i made it home, i'm alive
<pikajude> thanks purr
<jfhbrook> gj
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<jfhbrook> I need to, uhh
<jfhbrook> umm
<jfhbrook> I need to find some people that rage on weekdays
<jfhbrook> so I don't feel completely alone when getting trashed
<jfhbrook> CN used to be okay for that
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<ec> jfhbrook: why
<jfhbrook> why what
<ec> when did #elliottcable turn into depression, drinking, drugs, and sjwism
<jfhbrook> oh, since I got here
<ec> somebody write a Paws before we completely divest our heritage
<jfhbrook> sorry
<ec> -didja @ jfhbrook
<purr> jfhbrook: didja write a paws yet? didja? didja!?
<jfhbrook> ehh
<ec> ehhhh?!
<jfhbrook> I couldn't write a paws if I wanted to
<ec> lies
<jfhbrook> it's just not in my skillset
<ec> lies and sedition
<jfhbrook> I can make a website not suck though
<ec> don't make me put pants on you
<jfhbrook> dare I be dressed? a scandal for sure!
<incomprehensibly> Coraline: oh it runs pico?
<Coraline> Neat
<Coraline> My gf just got one, first I'd heard of it, so I have no idea
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<ec> I have school tomorrow
<ec> and I needed to go to bed at midnight
<ec> but I just took the dogs and drove to McDonalds, and got a caffineated soda
<ec> and now I'm watching Farscape -_-
<jfhbrook> > ec.sleep();
<ec> jfhbrook: never
<ec> >> ec.sleep()
<purr> ec: ReferenceError: ec is not defined
<ec> this is not a lie
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<ec> )'=
<incomprehensibly> >> shit
<purr> incomprehensibly: ReferenceError: irc:1
<incomprehensibly> >> "".toString()
<purr> incomprehensibly: (string) ''
<incomprehensibly> "".toString().toString()
<incomprehensibly> >> "".toString().toString()
<purr> incomprehensibly: (string) ''
<ec> yay tho I just built a kernel and am running it
<ec> so that feels kinda cool
<ec> xv6 time? >,>
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<ec> jfhbrook: why idk
<ec> but why
<ec> oh
<ec> i scrolledu p by acciednt
<ec> ignore that
<ec> woah my typng is so badsad
<ec> this is gna be fun
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<Pyrrh> I wanna maybe buy land out there anyway, good excuse for a field trip :P
<Pyrrh> also: took an OS course that used xv6 recently, it's pretty nifty even if I was confused for 90% of the class. it turns out that brain surgery in the middle of the term really affects how much you actually learn vs just absorb to regurgitate
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<ec> Pyrrh: did you disappear?
<ec> Pyrrh: brain surgery?
<Pyrrh> yeah it was headache/bedtime and I totally vanished silently last night :c
<ec> Pyrrh: IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO BUY LAND BUT A BAD PLACE TO BE EMPLOYED
<ec> buy ~1-2hr outside of Bozeman.
<Pyrrh> also yeah, but I'm aiming for remote employment so it won't matter where I live :D
<Pyrrh> good advice, noted
<Pyrrh> and yeah I had brain surgery in April
<ec> Billings is trash, Butte is trasher, and Missoula is trash-est
<Pyrrh> I have a sweet scar but my hair is in a weird state of growing back and it irritates the fire outta me
<ec> Helena is fucking beautiful and magical but by turns both boring and hectic
<ec> Bozeman is where the hipsters, university students, and generally life is
<Pyrrh> WHY DO TRAININGS IN MY COMPANY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE 'MOOD ELEVATOR' WHAT IS THAT EVEN
<Pyrrh> please stop
<Pyrrh> that's not how everyone's moods work
<Pyrrh> you don't just push a button and end up on the floor you want
<Pyrrh> ffs
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<embri0n> makes them feel like they've done their job
<Pyrrh> I *guess*
<ec> mood elevator?
<ec> what
<ec> also, hi, embri0n, who are you :P
<ec> -learn embri0n = who?
<purr> ec: Learned `embri0n`.
<embri0n> im the new guy
<embri0n> anything you need, call me
<ec> I mean, you've been around here longer than the latest three new-people
<embri0n> got every drug from A to Z
<embri0n> the only way to get to know people is to hang around
<Pyrrh> EVERY drug?! Man I am impressed
<ec> tfw @femmephobe nails it tho
<ec> re: yesterday's conversation about Not Wanting Programmer Friends
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<ec> alexgordon!
<alexgordon> ec!
<ec> who is y and y are they y
<ec> “xorhash (xorhash@unaffiliated/xorhash) is authed as xorhash”
<ec> I'm kinda disappointed that it doesn't say “y (y@unaffiliated/y) is authed as y”
<alexgordon> how the hell is it 33°C right now O_O
<alexgordon> I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THAT TEMPERATURE BEFORE
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<ec> alexgordon: really?
<ec> it breaches 35°C every summer here
<alexgordon> crazy
<ec> it *also* gets to like -25°C, so
<ec> El Oh El Chicago Weather is a Fucking Hellscape, Tee Em
<alexgordon> I ned icecream
<alexgordon> need
<ec> I love Backblaze
<alexgordon> never heard of that ice cream
<ec> also what the fuck avatar is this
<Pyrrh> that is a dog with ponytails on its face
<Pyrrh> A++++ do approve
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<alexgordon> ec: so you're actually a good programmer now?
<ec> alexgordon: I mean, if you're surprised I can write code like that, you haven't been paying attention :P
<alexgordon> ya
<alexgordon> I haven't
<ec> just because I vehemently choose not to, doesn't mean I can't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<alexgordon> :D
<cloudhead> good programmers make the right choices ;)
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