devyn changed the topic of #elliottcable to: yorickpeterse is undergroin
<joelteon> i'm starting to like ansible more and more
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<cuttle> joelteon: not really familiar with chef either ;p
<joelteon> chef is the worst thing ever
<devyn> joelteon: ansible's website triggers my OCD
<devyn> not that I have OCD, just... you know
<joelteon> ok
<devyn> it's so careless >_>
<devyn> whitepapers button's text isn't even centered
<joelteon> you know, if you're looking for a provisioning system, there are only so many out there
<devyn> not enough padding at the bottom
<joelteon> 3?
<joelteon> might be 3
<devyn> I'm kind of wary of big overcomplicated solutions
<devyn> this looks like one
<joelteon> have you ever seen chef
<devyn> no
<devyn> lookin' at it
<joelteon> chef is the dump truck to ansible's bicycle
<joelteon> but bicycles are complicated
<devyn> chef's website is better, looks less enterprisey
<joelteon> there's a nice website for you
<devyn> and you know, actually tells me useful background on the front page
<devyn> joelteon: and Apache is a complex piece of software to configure anyway...
<devyn> this at least would let you automate the installation of it, with some configuration work to start with
<joelteon> oh, i was referring to the shitty design, not the cookbook specifically
<devyn> oh yeah it's a bit much
<devyn> back to Apache, I really wish they'd give me a linux server at work
<devyn> I have to proxy my apps through Apache atm
<devyn> nginx would be way nicer to work with
<devyn> but, doesn't really work on Windows
<devyn> I hate Windows Server
<devyn> hell when I have to use a special third-party application to create goddamn services (nssm) unless I want to do some windows api shit
<devyn> that's just
<devyn> no
<devyn> please no
<devyn> it works, and I'm incredibly greatful that PostgreSQL runs on Windows
<devyn> at least I have that
<devyn> but damn, if I had a linux server I could make things a lot easier
<devyn> and better
<devyn> and I'd actually be able to comfortably run on a server with 1G of RAM without Windows taking up half of it
<joelteon> what specifically uses that much ra
<joelteon> m
<devyn> I don't think that there are really any processes that use absurdly large amounts of memory
<devyn> it's just an accumulation of cruft
<devyn> if I remote desktop in after a few days
<devyn> I can feel it swapping all of the GUI stuff into memory
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<joelteon> yeah, i was hoping swap was faster
<joelteon> but
<joelteon> building joelt.io with 512MB of RAM and 2048GB swap takes 51 minutes
<devyn> 2048GB???
<joelteon> whoops
<joelteon> MB
<devyn> anyway, 512 MB of RAM and what as storage?
<joelteon> SSD
<devyn> ok, I'm pretty sure the server I've got is hard drive based
<joelteon> build takes i think 508 seconds with actual real life memory
<devyn> but I have no clue what physical machine it's running on
<devyn> I think it's *probably* virtualized, but I can't even be certain about that
<devyn> I asked for like 5 GB of HDD space since that's all I needed, and they gave me exactly that much and it's fine, so I'm assuming it's virtual
<devyn> I can't remember what the processor shows up as
<devyn> that would be the best hint
<joelteon> where is your server
<devyn> somewhere on-site; I have no clue
<joelteon> on site of what
<devyn> in the building
<devyn> connected to the local network
<devyn> at work
<joelteon> oh at work
<joelteon> ok
<devyn> it's so stereotypically political
<devyn> they don't even let the marketing dept. actually use the software they're making marketing materials for, for the most part
<devyn> no clue why
<devyn> I should probably stop talking
<devyn> publicly logged and all
<devyn> and, ← my name
<joelteon> well best of luck if they intend to actually *find* this
<joelteon> what job is it
<devyn> really? I'm pretty sure if I just waited a day and googled "devyn work irc"
<devyn> I would find this
<joelteon> oh
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> weird
<devyn> irclogger_com: ಠ_ಠ
<devyn> joelteon: I 'intern' at http://www.ze.com/ as the marketing dept.'s programmer
<joelteon> 'intern'?
<devyn> I've been there about a year, been offered a position once or twice but I can't do it full time
<devyn> so I'm still an intern
<devyn> :p
<joelteon> oh ok
<devyn> I like working there
<devyn> despite being fairly enterprisey, people are friendly enough
<devyn> managers are pretty hands off, which is good and bad
<joelteon> CYA mode
<devyn> joelteon: haha
<devyn> no, I do actually enjoy it
<devyn> it's not like I'm being forced to work there or anything :p
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<whitequark> devyn: re swapping GUI to RAM
<whitequark> Windows specifically swaps out unused GUI processes after a while
<whitequark> even if it has free memory
<whitequark> I mean, you minimize the window, it detects that and swaps it out
<whitequark> it was somewhere in oldnewthing. oldnewthing is awesome.
<whitequark> "Okay, I went back and dug through the old Windows 3.0 source code to answer this question. It took me about four hours to study it all, try to understand what the code was doing, and then distill the conclusions into this article. Writing up the results took another two hours. That's six hours I could've spent doing something enjoyable."
<devyn> hahahaha
<whitequark> devyn: okay so
<whitequark> you have free time today?
<devyn> I do
<devyn> :D
<devyn> whitequark: should we get a channel for ocamltrader? this channel is publicly logged, after all
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<whitequark> devyn: hmm let's do this
<whitequark> one sec
<devyn> which reminds me
<devyn> ELLIOTTCABLE_: why is this channel publicly logged
<devyn> I can't think of any reason for it to be
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE_> because everything should be public.
<devyn> alright
<ELLIOTTCABLE_> I'm a data-nerd. I want my location, FitBit steps, last meal, and last purchase, all logged and integrated into a single feed of data for anyone who cares to look (or aggregate, or analyze, or criticize …)
<ELLIOTTCABLE_> the people I talk to, and what I talk about, are a part of that.
<devyn> perfectly valid imo
<devyn> so, no worries
<whitequark> devyn: ##ocamltrader
<devyn> whitequark: want me to register it?
<devyn> ok
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
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<joelteon> lmao
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: lol
<purr> lol
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<whitequark> ec: this is relevant to your interests: http://awelonblue.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/ui-as-an-act-of-programming/
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