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<Peter_R_Rizun>
Craig Wright is driving me crazy. He claims to have proved that selfish mining is a fallacy but his paper seems like gibberish mixed with errors to me.
<Peter_R_Rizun>
A bunch of people think he might have something, so I'm going through it in detail to find out. Here's my critique of his first somewhat "technical" section, if anyone is interested:
<Peter_R_Rizun>
I don't think he even understand what it means for Bitcoin mining to be memoryless.
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<midnightmagic>
Peter_R_Rizun: You have been banned from here on at least five occasions now; initially you pretended that since you could avoid the bans, you didn't know they were there. I informed you *on multiple occasions* that you are banned from here. What are you doing in here now?
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<midnightmagic>
Peter_R_Rizun: You **ACKNOWLEDGED** that you read my comments to you about it on Reddit by responding to me there. You have no excuse.
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<midnightmagic>
Additionally, I would like to warn people NOT to visit bitco.in without a good VPN, even though they actively ban VPN. Whoever runs that site uses IP addresses of visitors as weapons against people, including people in here. They have banned archival sites, VPN, and all Tor exit nodes, and have been actively doing so from beginning, even though I have proof that when Bloomie announced it
<midnightmagic>
here in IRC, he claimed he didn't know at the time Tor was blocked.
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<P3t3r__R>
Many people here let me know that you have no authority, are Greg Maxwell’s wife, and that they appreciate my participation. We don’t like walking on grEggshells.
<P3t3r__R>
I think it's you everyone wants gone.
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<mryandao>
P3t3r__R: this is an inappropriate place for this.
<P3t3r__R>
Anyways, you're off topic.
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<P3t3r__R>
I'm discussing selfish mining theory.
<mryandao>
where's the discussion? you're just attacking CSW and gmaxwell afaik
<P3t3r__R>
Craig wrote a paper claiming to debunk Eyal and Sirer's work.
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<gmaxwell>
(or a UFO, which blows the size up to the moon)
<waxwing>
oh. what's a UFO?
<waxwing>
apart from the obvious :)
<gmaxwell>
also, it's larger than CT for a pretty useful set of ranges at equivilent security level.
<gmaxwell>
This scheme needs a group of unknown order, e.g. a RSA number where no one knows the factorization.
<waxwing>
is it? i didn't get that impression; i got the impression it was small but sacrificed blowing up the range over which you're proving, so to speak.
<waxwing>
ah
<gmaxwell>
Yes, it's asymtoptically more efficient, but e.g. if you instantiate it with 3kbit rsa it's as large as a 256-bit ECC range proof for ~40 bits.
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<waxwing>
so it doesn't make sense if you translate it to ECC with G and H just as-usual nums type thing? that's how i was reading it in my head
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<Taek>
(I for the record have no issue with the ban discussed above)
<gmaxwell>
waxwing: no, it doesn't work with a group where the order is known. if you know the order you can construct false proofs.
<gmaxwell>
if you don't know the order you can't take some known element P negate it and sign with it.