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<BlueMatt>
so fluffypony was talking about the monero folks building a high-latency mixnet for their own txn broadcasts, and I said "fuck you, dont restrict it to monero if you're gonna build it, lets get btc transactions on ther too"
<fluffypony>
hah hah
<fluffypony>
that's pretty much exactly how the conversation went down
<BlueMatt>
I assume gmaxwell would be interested, but is likely sleeping
<fluffypony>
anonimal too, he's also sleeping
<kanzure>
sleep is for the
<BlueMatt>
anyway, so its long since time that something like this existed, and being able to transit around random blobs of data in a super high-latency mixnet with clients that interpret it as neccessary would be awesome
<fluffypony>
so one thing we were thinking is of a mixnet that is shared by, say, Monero and Bitcoin (and maybe other stuff later on)
<fluffypony>
^^
<fluffypony>
so a Monero node would discard a blob that it can't decode (eg. a Bitcoin tx) but accept something it can
<BlueMatt>
i mean yea, just make it generic, they're just data blobs....if they have a little header that says bitcoin, bitcoin nodes will interpret them, if not, ignore :)
<fluffypony>
and it can be bandwidth heavy, because you only need a handful of nodes that are part of that network and can rebroadcast txs they receive
<fluffypony>
(although I can't imagine flood-fill is a good model for this)
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* bsm117532
wants this too
<bsm117532>
I'm on the job market now too, if anyone wants to hire for this topic. PM me.
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<cluelessperson>
Hello, Wizards.
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<cluelessperson>
I'm apologize for bothering you, like a newb.
<cluelessperson>
I have an idea to help further bitcoin as an idea, and technology.
<cluelessperson>
Bitcoin, the idea, has definitely greatly matured. Bitcoin, the technology, continues to flourish. Many wallets, many softwares, many featurs, many people.
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<cluelessperson>
I believe Bitcoin, the idea, needs a regrouping in vision, as an identity.
<cluelessperson>
I'd like to see a movement develop to help consolidate efforts in bitcoin behind a single banner of sorts.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: can you use your words in a way that communicates information?
<kanzure>
no, that centralizes things too much.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: I actually give a shit, so I'd appreciate if you'd actually try, rather than be an asshole.
<kanzure>
oh i'm the asshole? alright.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: excellent. I'm not interested in centralization. I want to do fully opensource work that helps it flourish.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: You're talking to a person who's willing to pour his own hard earned money into what he views as bettering the world.
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<cluelessperson>
I'm god damn serious, I'd appreciate if you treated it that way rather than being so dismissive.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: and yes, you're being an asshole to me by being dismissive.
<cluelessperson>
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<cluelessperson>
kanzure: To provide more context. I believe the community as a whole, would benefit from a system of design being established.
<cluelessperson>
I'm not suggested a change of charge. I'm suggesting an effort be made towards public image.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: I believe a positive public image can be created by organizing a project based on open source branding, ui design, layout, and verbiage.
<pigeons>
perhaps but see the topic, this aint the right place
<kanzure>
you are truly melting my brain and i want you to leave
<kanzure>
also the 25 PMs from you are totally ridiculous behavior
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<cluelessperson>
pigeons: could you direct me to the right place? I've read the topic several times and I don't understand how this isn't the right place.
<cluelessperson>
kanzure: Sorry for insulting you.
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<cluelessperson>
kanzure: I would suggest updating the topic to better reflect the typical converse expected. I thought my topic was fully relevant (it is by the current topic)
<sipa>
cluelessperson: people here talk about interesting cryptographic and scientific breakthroughs that could one day make it into bitcoin or similar systems
<sipa>
not about polishing guis
<waxwing>
cluelessperson: i think what you're missing is 'theoretical'. but yeah what sipa said.
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<andytoshi>
fluffypony: grin wants in on this too (well, at some point)
<fluffypony>
dea
<fluffypony>
deal
<fluffypony>
Permissionless Mixnetovation
<gmaxwell>
I've suggested before that it would make sense to use it for multiple systems
<gmaxwell>
OTOH, doing a simple one-hop mixer with thing being mixed awareness has a tremendously positive property: you can totally prevent DOS attack.
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