sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja
none_ is now known as todaystomorrow
rusty2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
rusty2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Guyver2 has quit [Quit: :)]
cluelessperson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
deadalnix_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
MaxSan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
morcos_ is now known as morcos
MaxSan has joined #bitcoin-wizards
saintromuald has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
chjj has joined #bitcoin-wizards
chjj has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
dnaleor has quit [Quit: Leaving]
lmacken has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
HostFat_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
HostFat__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Giszmo has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
saintromuald has joined #bitcoin-wizards
echonaut1 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Aaronvan_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Joseph__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Ylbam has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
CrazyLoaf_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dabura667_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<tromp>
actually, the effective difficulties are summed difficulties, so you also get them from the successor chain that utores cumulative difficulty
liead has joined #bitcoin-wizards
liviud_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ananteri1 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jouke_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
iddo_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
gwollon has joined #bitcoin-wizards
[Derek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards
wump has joined #bitcoin-wizards
otoburb_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
[Derek] is now known as Guest97882
draynium_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
weeeeeew_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
gnusha_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Alina-malina_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
crescendo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Noldorin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
koshii has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
liviud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
legogris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
AaronvanW has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
ananteris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
dabura667 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
jouke has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
isis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
copumpkin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
adlai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
NewLiberty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
CrazyLoaf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
gnusha has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
Alina-malina has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
Guest9497 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
crescend1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
ibrightly has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
huseby has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
gwillen has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
weeeeeew has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
otoburb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
Monthrec- has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
iddo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
belcher has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
echonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
face has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
wumpus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
draynium has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
Piper-Off has joined #bitcoin-wizards
koshii has joined #bitcoin-wizards
face has joined #bitcoin-wizards
legogris has joined #bitcoin-wizards
belcher has joined #bitcoin-wizards
copumpkin has joined #bitcoin-wizards
CrazyLoaf_ is now known as CrazyLoaf
isis has joined #bitcoin-wizards
qpm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
huseby has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ibrightly has joined #bitcoin-wizards
lmacken has joined #bitcoin-wizards
gwollon is now known as gwillen
qpm has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
lmacken has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
bsm1175321 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
psztorc has joined #bitcoin-wizards
bsm1175321 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
pero has joined #bitcoin-wizards
PaulCape_ has quit [Quit: .]
lmacken has joined #bitcoin-wizards
lmacken has joined #bitcoin-wizards
lmacken has quit [Changing host]
PRab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
cluelessperson has joined #bitcoin-wizards
pro has quit [Quit: Leaving]
lmacken has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
lmacken has joined #bitcoin-wizards
lmacken has joined #bitcoin-wizards
legogris has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
recola has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
legogris has joined #bitcoin-wizards
tunafizz has joined #bitcoin-wizards
blackwraith has joined #bitcoin-wizards
blackwraith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
Alina-malina_ has quit [Changing host]
Alina-malina_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Alina-malina_ is now known as Alina-malina
MaxSan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
EvilHero_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
MaxSan has joined #bitcoin-wizards
[7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
TheSeven has joined #bitcoin-wizards
CrazyLoaf has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
mountaingoat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
fibonaccicoin has joined #bitcoin-wizards
fibonaccicoin is now known as Guest99434
mountaingoat has joined #bitcoin-wizards
lclc has joined #bitcoin-wizards
superkuh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
jtimon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
edvorg has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jonasschnelli has quit [Changing host]
jonasschnelli has joined #bitcoin-wizards
MoALTz has joined #bitcoin-wizards
CrazyLoaf has joined #bitcoin-wizards
superkuh has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Chris_Stewart_5 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
Ylbam has joined #bitcoin-wizards
kankles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Guest12217 has quit [Quit: Three sheets to the wind]
Aranjedeath has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
Newyorkadam has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dnaleor has joined #bitcoin-wizards
cyphase has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
cyphase_eviltwin has joined #bitcoin-wizards
LeMiner has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
kankles has joined #bitcoin-wizards
LeMiner has joined #bitcoin-wizards
windsok has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Guyver2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
windsok has joined #bitcoin-wizards
wump is now known as wumpus
kankles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Guest99434 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
kankles has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Guyver2 has quit [Quit: :)]
Guest99434 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Guest99434 is now known as fibonacci
panchod has left #bitcoin-wizards [#bitcoin-wizards]
superkuh has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
rusty2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
superkuh has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Aranjedeath has quit [Quit: Three sheets to the wind]
CrazyLoaf has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
Newyorkadam has quit [Quit: Newyorkadam]
Newyorkadam has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Newyorkadam has quit [Client Quit]
iiwa is now known as autremonde
rusty2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
chjj has joined #bitcoin-wizards
cyphase_eviltwin has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
chjj has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
cyphase has joined #bitcoin-wizards
autremonde has quit [Read error: No route to host]
autremonde has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Anduck has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
Anduck has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
fibonacci has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
edvorg has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
cyphase has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
fletom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
fletom has joined #bitcoin-wizards
cyphase has joined #bitcoin-wizards
cyphase has quit [Excess Flood]
cyphase has joined #bitcoin-wizards
cyphase has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
cyphase has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Kexkey has joined #bitcoin-wizards
deadalnix has joined #bitcoin-wizards
CheckDavid has joined #bitcoin-wizards
MaxSan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
chjj has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ShoaibJahejo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
deadalnix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
BashCo_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
ShoaibJahejo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ShoaibJahejo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
BashCo_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ShoaibJahejo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ShoaibJahejo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
BashCo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
ShoaibJahejo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ShoaibJahejo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
ShoaibJahejo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
kenshi84_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
kenshi84 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
ananteri1 is now known as ananteris
ananteris has quit [Changing host]
ananteris has joined #bitcoin-wizards
chjj has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
pro has joined #bitcoin-wizards
MaxSan has joined #bitcoin-wizards
deadalnix has joined #bitcoin-wizards
lclc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
isle2983 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Davasny has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<dgenr8>
bsm117532: That paper says "The random variables T and T' are clearly independent." How so? They vary inversely, which seems pretty dependent to me.
<bsm117532>
dgenr8: those are the mining times of two blocks, so are independent. How could they vary inversely?
<dgenr8>
they are random variables representing honest and attacker block production
<bsm117532>
Which page/formula are you looking at?
<bsm117532>
Both the honest and attacker have a probability to mine the block given by one parameter, \alpha
* nsh
nods
<bsm117532>
The honest miner's probability of finding a block in a given window is independent of all other hashpower.
Guyver2 has quit [Quit: :)]
<nsh>
this is still an approximation over multiple blocks
<nsh>
(as there is some inter-dependence due to difficulty changes)
<bsm117532>
After a difficulty change the targets change for everyone but the same formulas apply.
<bsm117532>
There is certainly game theory surrounding whether you try to reorg one block before the retarget though...
chjj_ is now known as chjj
rusty2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Chris_Stewart_5 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<bsm117532>
nsh: technically, the probabilities of finding blocks in such a circumstance are still independent, but no longer identically distributed (because the honest miner and attacker may be mining for two different targets -- before and after the retarget)
<nsh>
right, the distributions for the sequences of independent events are not independent :)
liead is now known as adai
adai is now known as adlai
tromp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]