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<wallerdev> nvm
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<mars2686_> Has anyone done any integration testing for an app that uses omniauth? I'm having some issues testing once I redirect to twitter / facebook's authentication page.
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<steampunkey> can i define functions that operate on blocks of code (like an UNTILL loop) in ruby, and if so, how?
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<steampunkey> i don't know ruby (obviously?)
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<banister_> steampunkey: Yeah
<banister_> steampunkey: can you give an example (with syntax) of the kind of control structure you want to build
<shevy> steampunkey typically on blocks. array.each {|member| member * 2 }
<drizz> steampunkey: you can use the `until` keyword in Ruby, too, but it is highly unrecommended
<banister_> steampunkey: weren't you talking about constructing control structures from scratch?
<steampunkey> banister_: switch_and(a, b) { case '0': print 'both are zero!' } <- smth like that, idk
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<shevy> and what is that doing?
<steampunkey> banister_: adding syntax to ruby
<banister_> steampunkey: Yeah
<banister_> steampunkey: i did it with if/else
<steampunkey> shevy: like switch, but compares two arguments. just an example.
<banister_> that might give u an idea ^
<steampunkey> i don't want the Right way.
<steampunkey> i want to define new syntax
<banister_> steampunkey: Yeah, well, interestingly enough, the way we perform infinite loops in ruby is using a method
<banister_> loop { puts "hi!" }
<steampunkey> now if you rubify the C-like snytax up there i won't mind. i'm just asking if it's possible to extend ruby's
<banister_> that's not built-in
<banister_> steampunkey: did you see the link i just posted?
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<banister_> steampunkey: that switch_and thing is easy enough i think
<banister_> it would look like this: switch_and(a, b) { case(0) { puts "both are zero!" }; case(1) { puts "both are 1!" } }
<banister_> steampunkey: ok?
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<banister_> steampunkey: except you probably cant use the 'case' method ;)
<banister_> anything else would likely be fine however
<steampunkey> banister_: can you do it so it falls trough (that's kinda the case for switch-case ;-) )?
<banister_> steampunkey: Yeah you might be able to
<banister_> steampunkey: but you wouldn't get any of the performance advantages of a fall-through case, as you would in C
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<steampunkey> banister_: well sure. i wouldn't try to find that in #ruby, no offense ;-D
<banister_> steampunkey: :)
<banister_> steampunkey: do you know any ruby?
<steampunkey> banister_: what i have *seen*, i have forgotten ;-)
<banister_> steampunkey: oh, so you're just interested in ruby for its ability to build your own syntax?
<steampunkey> yes
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<banister_> steampunkey: cool, yeah ruby is great for that
<steampunkey> banister_: i mean will i be able to include my lib, and have the rest of the code in the .rb be in my own syntax and run?
<banister_> steampunkey: Yes
<steampunkey> awesome
<steampunkey> thanks, banister_
<banister_> np
<steampunkey> i don't suppose you'd want to also take a crack at defining the C-like switch syntax? :-)
<banister_> steampunkey: did you see my code for the C-like if syntax?
<banister_> i posted it twice already i think :)
<steampunkey> with the fall-through?
<banister_> no, but fall through isnt that hard
<banister_> it's just a matter of knowing the order of things
<banister_> and automatically calling the next one in order
<banister_> when the previous one didnt perform an exit
<steampunkey> afaics you just asked me if the result syntax is acceptable
<steampunkey> i didn't notice any ruby code that would support it
<banister_> result?
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<dingus9> Can someone shed some light on ruby behavior I don't understand?. http://pastebin.com/zAPkY0JA Seems to me to be a difference between static string and variable.
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<steampunkey> banister_: what you wrote is what the user would write to use the switch, how would i enable him to be able to use that syntax?
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<senthil> Is there an editrc line that fixes cntrl+ arrow keys to work in pry?
<senthil> Right now I get [D when I press cntrl + left
<banister_> senthil: try #pry
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<banister_> steampunkey: ok, holdon
<banister_> steampunkey: ill have a go at something simple
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<steampunkey> banister_: ok. and thanks
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<banister_> steampunkey: might take about 20 mins cos im a bit busy
<dingus9> any takers on my question?
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<steampunkey> banister_: don't waste your time on me then. thanks for the effort. i'll figure it out, the main thing was to find out it can be done. i'd probably have to re-learn it afterwards anyway. cya
<banister_> steampunkey: wait
<banister_> steampunkey: im half way through
<steampunkey> really, it's fine
<banister_> steampunkey: no, i dont want the work ive done so far to be for nothing ;)
<banister_> i wont be 20 mins
<banister_> probably another 5-10
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<steampunkey> banister_: how many lines do you have by now?
<banister_> steampunkey: about 20
<banister_> 30*
<steampunkey> :-D
<steampunkey> banister_: drop it really.
<steampunkey> look, i'm already gone
<steampunkey> still thankful
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<steampunkey> :-)
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<freelanceful> hello, I can't for the life of me remember the placeholder helper to use on an input field. Like when the user clicks on the input field, it disappears
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<alkos333> Have you guys had any trouble with the latest sass and ruby 1.9.1?
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<banister_> anone that is interested in the switch statement in ruby with fall through
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<dkannan> banister_: cool. had not used throw / catch before
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<frontendloader> what does a colon on the right side of a name designate? e.x. render json: @post.errors, status: :unprocessable_entity
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<ryanf> frontendloader: {json: @post.errors} is equivalent to {:json => @post.errors}
<ryanf> in ruby 1.9
<frontendloader> Thanks, I wish I could have found something about that in google. Too many "What the hell are symbols?" pages
<Seppman> is there some keyword, which ends all open blocks? something one can do instead of writing "end end end end" over and over again
<frontendloader> I'd take that as an indication I need to refactor personally.
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<Seppman> true :-) but when writing some quick-and-dirty stuff it would halp :-)
<a_a_g> Seppman: the problem is, what do you mean by 'all open blocks'?
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<Seppman> for example multiple nested ifs (which should be better solved via case, i know
<a_a_g> Seppman: would you want it to end your 'def'? how about your class definition?
<a_a_g> where should it stop?
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<Seppman> damn, thats really a problem. i realize it
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<MarcWeber> Do any libraries exist which show events by location the way google analytics look like?
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<Seppman> whats the best way to get some substring abcd out of something like :abcd!xxxyyyzzzz... ? i could do with regexp, but i'm sure there's some more elegant way
<MarcWeber> Seppman: you're task desciption is not accurate enough.
<MarcWeber> you can use regex, parsers, substr command or just .split('!')[0] depending on what you need
<Seppman> thanks, the split thing seems to do exactly what i want :-)
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<frontendloader> find the extra "end" is the worst ruby game ever, is there any way to cheat at it?
<rippa> proper indentation
<rippa> and good editor
<Seppman> hehe, frontendloader, had the same problem 2nite
<frontendloader> currently using sublime text, took me 5 minutes to spot it even though it was at the top indentation level
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<Noqturnal> Sublime text is exactly that.
<Noqturnal> I love that editor.
<Noqturnal> Pity I don't want to fork out the money for it.
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<Seppman> Maybe bluefish can do it to in some way
<a_a_g> well, if you miss an end, a good text editor will usually reflect that in its indentation
<frontendloader> I still haven't found it
<a_a_g> frontendloader: can you editor indent the entire file?
<Noqturnal> Ruby for web, what framework would one recommend? I've had people throw Rails, Sinatra and Ramaze at me.
<Noqturnal> Rails I never got my head around, I've used Sinatra before for simple webapps, but I'm not sure how it holds up for complex stuff. Ramaze I've never touched.
<a_a_g> Noqturnal: depends on the scale of you app. do you intend the app to become a big one with lots of business logic? then go for rails
<__null> Rails is a good choice just for the experience
<Noqturnal> a_a_g: The webapp in question at this point in time is a file-hosting site. I had a lot of weird logic based around geographical provision and such.
<frontendloader> I'm not sure, I've just started using sublimetext
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<Noqturnal> a_a_g: I'm converting it from PHP.
<a_a_g> Noqturnal: i would say if its got a lot of logic in code and not much DB access, go for sinatra
<a_a_g> if its primarily a DB driven app, go for rails
<Noqturnal> a_a_g: It uses the DB as each file has a unique identifier, so I guess it does.
<a_a_g> Noqturnal: i mean, does the schema have a lot of relations and cross references and many tables?
<a_a_g> rails would be overkill for a simple one or two table schema
<Noqturnal> a_a_g: User accounts, files, folders (for user organising), downloads.
<Noqturnal> a_a_g: S'all, really.
<a_a_g> Noqturnal: rails then
<Noqturnal> a_a_g: Alright. Thanks!
<a_a_g> i dont know anything about ramaze. you should evaluate rails vs ramaze before you make your choice
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<a_a_g> going by initial looks, ramaze seems to be equivalent to sinatra + MVC
<a_a_g> which could just be what you want
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<shellox> hi
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<shellox> hi
<shellox> whats the regex way in ruby to match only numbers between 18 and 100?
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<heftig> shellox: why do you want a regex?
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<shellox> heftig: because i read user input
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<heftig> shellox: so parse it as an integer. then check its value
<heftig> also, is this an age value? what about those poor people aged over 100?
<shellox> heftig: you are too old to use this service
<shellox> :P
<shellox> heftig: yes, it is an age value
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<shellox> heftig: looks like this atm https://gist.github.com/ad708a7b470d25aed87e
<shellox> i just train to handle user input well ;-)
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<MarcWeber> shellox: (18|19|[2-9][0-9])
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<MarcWeber> Is ruby-debug19 worth compiling compared to require 'debug' ?
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<MarcWeber> shellox: (18|19|[2-9][0-9]|1[0-9][0-9]) (for those > 100)
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<banisterfiend> MarcWeber: ruby-debug is a lot better than debug
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<shevy2> shellox I would use a case when menu
<shevy> hmm or perhaps not
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<x8r> Hi. Can someone tell me a good Ruby book for someone with little programming experience?
<lupine_85> hmm. I need a ring-buffer-like on-disc data store that can take a bunch of simple hashes and allow them to be quickly accessed by time
<lupine_85> don't suppose anyone's aware of something similar? obviously, I could just add a database...
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<banisterfiend> x8r: "learn to program" by chris pine
<csherin> x8r: I found RBP useful - http://rubybestpractices.com/
<x8r> Thanks.
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<Seppman> hello again, wher do i find something about #{@var} syntax? http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/ doesn'l list up the caret symbol
<banisterfiend> Seppman: there's not much to know about it, it's just string interpolation syntax
<banisterfiend> x = "hello"
<banisterfiend> puts "hello there #{x} what'sup?"
<lupine_85> it'll be in the language reference, rather than any library reference - even the core library
<Seppman> so its like some sort of implicit .to_s ?
<Seppman> lupine_85: were's that to find?
<lupine_85> well, it'll be in pickaxe
<Seppman> found
<lupine_85> class A ; def to_s ; "to_s" ; end ; def inspect ; "inspect" ; end ; end ; "#{A.new}" => "to_s"
<Seppman> thanks
<Seppman> to give something back to the chan: "In double-quoted strings, regular expressions, and command output expressions, the form like "#{expression}" extended to the evaluated result of that expression. If the expressions are the variables which names begin with the character either `$',`@', expressions are not needed to be surrounded by braces."
<lupine_85> @a = "foo" ; "#@a" => "foo"
<lupine_85> by 'eck, I didn't know that
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<Seppman> give and take :-)
<lupine_85> @a = "foo" ; "#@amoo" => "foo"
<lupine_85> bah
<lupine_85> this isn't irb
<lupine_85> (needs a space in that instance, unsurprisingly)
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<a_a_g> that form is not really recommended
<lupine_85> interesting to know it exists, though
<Seppman> a_a_g: why not? subject to change?
<a_a_g> Seppman: one of the reasons is the ambiguity of the syntax, like the above code snippet
<a_a_g> the other is probably that it is actually a syntactic special case
<a_a_g> the #{} is universal - works everywhere
<Seppman> maybe its faster?
<a_a_g> i remember reading that its just syntactic sugar
<Seppman> one could use it in obfuscated (or similar, my english isn't that good) code contests
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<a_a_g> you dont _need_ the #{} delimiter when you have @ and $
<a_a_g> Seppman: yes. i would strongly recommend it in obfuscated code contests :)
<a_a_g> personally, i find #{} much cleaner to read, and its not that much trouble to write
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<Seppman> agree totally with that
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<sharkmonkey> My non-programming friend wants to learn ruby. Is why's poignant guide any good for this task? I skimmed it. But it's hard for me to judge it. I'm having a hard time putting myself in the perspective of not being a programmer and not knowing ruby.
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<lupine_85> sharkmonkey, _why's piognant guide is more edutainment
<lupine_85> that said, flipping through it before the interview helped me to get my current job
<lupine_85> (I had no real ruby experience, but could do the ruby-based task asked of me as a result)
<Hanmac> i dont know how i do learn ruby ... i woke up, and then i could it ...
<rippa> I read pickaxe
<sharkmonkey> From the description, pickaxe doesn't seem to target the first time programmer audience.
<a_a_g> sharkmonkey: any particular reason for ruby?
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<sharkmonkey> Not really. My friend happened to be watching me write ruby code at the time and it struck me as a reasonable first language.
<sharkmonkey> a_a_g: Would you choose something else?
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<Hanmac> i think for interpreting stuff, ruby is one of the best
<a_a_g> for people who have never done programming, i would recommend going through the first few chapters of http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ first
<a_a_g> upto a certain point, you can just read it without any computer around
<Hanmac> Lisp? are you crazy? XD
<Tasser> Hanmac, why? no crazy syntax ;-)
<a_a_g> i've found that reading the first chapter of that book explains quite well what programming is all about
<banisterfiend> Tasser: hey tassx0r
<Tasser> banisterfiend, heyo, gotta have some fun with jruby ;-)
<banisterfiend> Tasser: coolio
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<Tasser> banisterfiend, but some nimrod atm for a simple naive bayes (python was waaaaay too slow)
<banisterfiend> Tasser: jruby is faster than C python?
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<sharkmonkey> jython is often faster than c python, so it wouldn't surprise me of jruby is.
<sharkmonkey> It can be especially fast if you invoke java stuff to do the computationally intensive bits. :)
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<Tasser> banisterfiend, nah, I'm coding in nimrod
<banisterfiend> Tasser: what on earth is nimrod
<Tasser> banisterfiend, yet another small programming language
<lupine_85> oh ruby, you so silly
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<Tasser> banisterfiend, https://github.com/languages/nimrod
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<lupine_85> class A ; def foo=(a,b) ; puts b ; end ; end ; A.new.foo = "foo", "bar"
<lupine_85> can anyone get it to call the method without using send ?
<nobitanobi> Hi. I'm using RVM to manage different rubies, but I wonder what is this: "-p290 " in ruby-1.9.2-p290 [ x86_64 ]
<lupine_85> a.foo = *["foo", "bar"] doesn't work either
<lupine_85> nobitanobi, patchlevel
<nobitanobi> lupine_85: thanks
<banisterfiend> lupine_85: call what method
<banisterfiend> lupine_85: use .
<lupine_85> banisterfiend, foo=
<banisterfiend> hmm
<banisterfiend> one sec
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<banisterfiend> lupine_85: a.method(:foo=).("foo", "bar") ;)
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<lupine_85> hmm, is that a 1.9ism ?
<banisterfiend> the .() Yeah
<lupine_85> a.method(:foo=).call("foo", "bar") works in 1.8
<lupine_85> seems there really is no way to use the a.foo = construct, though
<banisterfiend> no
<banisterfiend> Yeah i mean
<lupine_85> seems a bit harsh :D
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<banisterfiend> lupine_85: imagine coming across code that used it though
<banisterfiend> it would be kind of confusing
<lupine_85> no, I think a.foo = "foo", "bar" is clear
<rippa> b, a.foo = "foo", "bar"
<rippa> now what
<lupine_85> heh, ok, there it becomes consuing
<lupine_85> confusing*
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<a_a_g> something like a.foo=(1,2) should be allowed though
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<banisterfiend> rippa: http://i.imgur.com/JRz8W.gif
<rippa> hunting wabbits
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<aef> banisterfiend: are you the maintainer of pry?
<Tasser> aef, he's the founder :-)
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<aef> banisterfiend, Tasser: can you answer me the following question (assuming i would use pry as rails console): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8615856/include-namespace-in-rails-3-1-console . the thing is, the namespace should be included by default.
<banisterfiend> aef: change your Pry.start line to Pry.start(your_namespace)
<aef> banisterfiend: thanks a lot, I guess I'll be using pry from now on.
<banisterfiend> aef: did it work?
<aef> banisterfiend: didn't try yet
<banisterfiend> then dont thank me yet ;)
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<aef> banisterfiend: i will maybe try tonight, if it doesn't work, I'll report
<banisterfiend> oki
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<Tasser> aef, your_namespace.pry
<Tasser> banisterfiend, or did you monkey-patch Binding only?
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<banisterfiend> Tasser: just tha twhen people add pry as rails console they normally use Pry.start to match IRB.start
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<Tasser> banisterfiend, old habits die hard?
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<alkos333> Have any of you guys had problems with latest sass and ruby 1.9.1?
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<workmad3> alkos333: why are you still using 1.9.1?
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<alkos333> workmad3: Recently updated to Slackware 13.37 and that was the version it shipped with out of the box
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<alkos333> workmad3: I guess I'll fire up a Slackbuild and upgrade to 1.9.3 and see if that fixes things
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<workmad3> alkos333: 1.9.1 is generally recommended to not be used afaik
<alkos333> workmad3: Alright, well just finished compiling 1.9.3, will see if that solved the issue
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<alkos333> workmad3: Didn't make any difference
<alkos333> workmad3: same issue: https://github.com/nex3/sass/issues/230
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<theishi> I am having some issues here. I somehow must of corrupted my gem installer. When I try to install any gem, it freezes. I removed gem from my system and reinstalled it, but the issue remains the same
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<Tasser> theishi, probably ditch the gem dir?
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<theishi> Tasser: you mean ~/.gem ?
<theishi> I uninstalled gem, removed that director, then reinstalled, same issue
<Tasser> theishi, echo $GEM_HOME
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<theishi> ok removed that one too.. still no effect Tasser
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<charnel> what does this means ? { | | }
<rippa> looks like
<rippa> ni
<rippa> l
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<Tasser> theishi, hum
<Tasser> charnel, Proc.new, I'd say
<theishi> you are losing me a bit, what do mean? Tasser
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<Tasser> theishi, I'd say something else is broken... no idea :-/
<theishi> ok, thanks
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<theishi> what does charnel mean? Tasser
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<Tasser> theishi, proc {||} is another syntax for Proc.new
<Tasser> ah well
<Tasser> let's say it create an empty block
<theishi> oh, thats the other guys name...
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<catphish> can anyone suggest the best way to parse a parenthesised string into some kind of tree?
<charnel> Tasser, Thanks . theishi : It was a character in a very old commodore 64 game :)
<catphish> basically a SQL WHERE like "WHERE a = 1 and (b = 2 or (b = 3 and c = 3))"
<theishi> charnel: I made the mistake of thinking he was talking to me and charnel was a description of the problem or something
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<Tasser> catphish, take a contextfree parsing framework of your choice
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<catphish> Tasser: any suggestions?
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<Amorsen> catphish, you're trying to write a parser? Sounds like a job for yacc, or probably Ragel since we're in #ruby
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<panzi> I forgot how to make a .gem file out of a project using hoe
<panzi> how do you do this?
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<panzi> I need it so that bundle can use it from a local dir
<catphish> thanks
<catphish> will try to do it manually first
<panzi> cant use the official gem because I added a bugfix that is still not in the official gem
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<Tasser> catphish, never tried
<panzi> no one?
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<veptune> hello all
<veptune> a stupid question from a newbie who need to install ruby to use chili, i do bundle install --without=rmagick ruby-debug-base19 to exclude theses packages, as i got an error, but it still trying to install them .. any idea ?
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<ReinH> veptune: --without is for groups, not individual gems
<ReinH> you can't just exclude a required gem
<veptune> ruby-debug-base19 is member of which group ?
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<ReinH> ?
<veptune> i don t want to install it (as it is bug)
* catphish just crashed ruby 1.9.2p290 :(
<ReinH> first, bundler install installs all required gems, not a single gem
<ReinH> *bundle install
<ReinH> veptune: maybe you should read more on how bundler works
<panzi> what do I have to do that I get a gemspec form a hoe project?
<ReinH> veptune: or tell us exactly what you're trying to do
<ReinH> panzi: look in rake -T?
<veptune> install https://www.chiliproject.org/ !
<veptune> it is first time i installed ruby
<veptune> on the install process from their website, they say i need to to bundle install so ...
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<veptune> they should to their webapp in PHP :(
<veptune> down with ruby !
<panzi> or how do I use a locale .gem file with bundle?
<panzi> local
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<ReinH> veptune: you don't need to bundle install to install ruby -- that would be impossible
<veptune> i know, ruby is already installed
<ReinH> veptune: oh, ok, then I don't need to help you any more
<veptune> but after install it, they said i need to do bundle install
<ReinH> "down with ruby!" while asking for help in a ruby channel
<ReinH> not the smartest thing you've ever done, was it?
<veptune> yes ... that is not very smart ...
<ReinH> chiliproject said you need to do a bundle install?
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<veptune> To install all dependency packages, just run the following command inside your ChiliProject root directory:
<veptune> bundle install
<minijupe> I'm using link_to remote => true, but need to set the dataType for the ajax request. Anyone know how to do that with rails jquery drivers?
<veptune> minijupe ... u know what does it mean in french ?
<minijupe> veptune: Oui
<veptune> k
<veptune> c'est de la grosse daube ruby
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<panzi> omg, why does bundle ask me for my system's password? why do I have bundle when I still need to install gems to my system? wtf?
<catphish> is there any way to pass around a reference to a Fixnum?
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<catphish> the following fails (for reasons i only partially understand): http://paste.codebasehq.com/pastes/f1fj7faak4v6lett9s
<panzi> catphish: in languages like ruby everything is always a reference
<catphish> panzi: see my link
<panzi> however, Fixnum is immutable
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<veptune> Installing ruby-debug-base19 (0.11.25) with native extensions
<veptune> Gem::Installer::ExtensionBuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension
<veptune> C:/Ruby193/bin/ruby.exe extconf.rb
<catphish> panzi: it seems the reference gets recreated
<veptune> any idea ? that is just the begining of error messages
<veptune> that's why i wanted to excluded this group
<catphish> are Fixnums not passed by ref?
<panzi> catphish: its like a pointer in C. you cannot cahgne where the ponter in another activation record is pointing to
<catphish> oh i see
<panzi> catphish: everything is passed by ref, but += creates a new Fixnum
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<catphish> so the issue is that you cant move the pointer
<catphish> and you can't change 1
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<catphish> is there an elegent solution or should i use [n]
<panzi> use OOP
<panzi> class Something; def initialize; @x = 1; end; def increment; @x += 1; end; def get; @x; end; end
<catphish> yes i suppose that's the sane solution :)
<catphish> thanks
<catphish> i like to avoid using unnecessary instance variables within methods, even recursive ones
<catphish> but that'll be fine
<catphish> seems the right thing to do in this case
<catphish> unless i returned it
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<catphish> thx
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<catphish> actually i dont like that mathod because it needs to be zeroed on the first call of the method but not subsequent ones, i'll return it instead
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<minver> I want to keep a symbol at the end of an array. Does anyone know solve this in a good approach? http://pastie.org/private/xtvldbzxf2f4wmgbjvydg
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<danheberden> minver would popping it off and pushing it be easier?
<Tasser> minver, rails/all ? O.o
<minver> Tasser: just to include the class_attribute method
<waxjar> maybe define a columns method that outputs the columns array with :always_at_the_end attached to it?
<Hanmac> you could override the colums getter ...
<Tasser> minver, minver sledgehammer and nut? ^^
<minver> waxjar, Hanmac: yeah I was thinking of that too
<Tasser> Hanmac, yeah, nice idea
<Hanmac> like: def columns; super + [:allways_last];end
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<Tasser> Hanmac, I wouldn't count on super here
<minijupe> I'm using remote => true for the first time, and I've got things working, but I'm confused on the object I'm getting in the xhr: $('#new_image_form_button').live('ajax:success', function(event, xhr, status) {
<minijupe> the xhr is just a string with the HTML resonse
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<minijupe> Shouldn't it be an object that has responseText defined?
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<minijupe> oops, wrong channel, sorry guys
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<Buck> hurr
<Buck> is there something similar to perldoc for ruby for linux?
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<Mon_Ouie> Buck: ri? rdoc?
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<Buck> rdoc is for making documentation
<Buck> I can't find anything on ri?
<Mon_Ouie> It allows to browse rdoc-generated documentation in a terminal
<shadoi> try: man ri
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<Buck> thanks Mon_Ouie, shadoi
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<panzi> anyone knows fast_gettext? how do I make the _ method available everywhere? only via "class Object; include FastGettext::Translation; end"? or is there a more elegant way?
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<cek> anyone knows a REST service that would echo back what i posted?
<ReinH> cek: netcat
<cek> lol
<csavola> cek: take you 10sec to build in sinatra
<cek> hurl.it, but opposite
<ReinH> no, I'm serious
<ReinH> netcat
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* apeiros_ used to use tcpflow, but as of 10.6, that didn't work on localhost anymore :(
<ReinH> or if you really want to, TCPSocket
<ReinH> you don't need a "REST service" for an echo server
<apeiros_> ReinH: you mean TCPServer?
<ReinH> no
<catphish> cek: easy in sinatra / rack
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<ReinH> easy in *netcat*
<apeiros_> ReinH: I wonder how you want to do it with TCPSocket…
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<cek> you are of no use
<catphish> ReinH: how?
<apeiros_> sure you can do the same as TCPServer does, but much more work…
<catphish> ReinH: does that do HTTP?
<ReinH> apeiros_: oh TCPSocket can't bind? Yes, TCPServer then
<ReinH> catphish: HTTP is TCP
<catphish> ReinH: what are you talking about?
<apeiros_> ReinH: sure it can, it's just more work :)
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<apeiros_> cek: server = TCPServer.new("0.0.0.0", 80); while client = server.accept; puts "Got a request:", client.read; end
<ReinH> cek: if you think I'm being of no use, you don't understand what I'm saying
<catphish> ReinH: wuth your method you'd need to build a whole HTTP server
<ReinH> what
<apeiros_> oh, add a "puts" before the client.read
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<ReinH> "building a whole HTTP server" can happen in 1 line of code
<catphish> ReinH: with sinatra or even plain rack its all done for you
* ReinH facepalms
<cek> now ive got https
<csavola> ReinH: HTTP is not TCP... different layers
<catphish> ReinH: no it can't, please stop talking
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<ReinH> csavola: ofc, but if you have a TCP echo server you also have an HTTP echo server
<ReinH> catphish: yes it can, wtf
<ReinH> fucking idiots
<catphish> " if you have a TCP echo server you also have an HTTP echo server"
<JonnieCache> play nice boys and girls
<cek> thank you
<catphish> i stand corrected i guess
* ReinH facepalms
<catphish> but seriously ReinH, please learn how HTTP works
<catphish> it's not raw TCP
<ReinH> catphish: I know how HTTP works, jesus christ
<shadoi> catphish: he's asking for echoes, not HTTP parsing. ReinH is correct, please stop being a douche.
<catphish> then why are you saying a TCP echo server will act as an HTTP REST echo server?
<ReinH> catphish: what exactly is the difference *for an echo server*?
<ReinH> fucking hell
<catphish> no, he said REST service that would echo what was posted
<ReinH> you send TCP packets, you receive *THE SAME TCP PACKETS*
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<catphish> REST implies HTTP
<ReinH> catphish: REST is HTTP
<ReinH> fucking hell
<catphish> exactly
<cek> echo, as in echo http body, not echo on 4th osi layer
<ReinH> catphish: an HTTP echo service is equivalent to a TCP echo service
<catphish> cek: please tell me i'm right and everyone else is being dumb
<ReinH> you send TCP packets and you receive the same TCP packets
<cek> you all suck
<shadoi> lol
<ReinH> that's what a fucking echo server is
<ReinH> jesus christ
<cek> and i'm a mandarine
<ReinH> I am aware that forming a response to an HTTP request requires parsing an HTTP request
<catphish> an HTTP echo server would have to process the request line and request headers first
<ReinH> no it doesn't
<apeiros_> catphish: besides of giving a conforming response - where do you need knowledge about http in order to echo the request?
<ReinH> IT JUST SENDS BACK WHAT YOU SEND IT
<csavola> ReinH: It sounds like an iteresting idea to hash something out. When you use this do you generally care about sending a different set of headers back?
<ReinH> what the fucking fuck do you think an echo server is?
<ReinH> jesus
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<ReinH> csavola: if it's an *echo service* then by definition you do not
<scott_nz> hi, when returning from a method can i go "a || b" on the last line of the method and it will return a if defined otherwise b? it seems to work in my tests but i can't see where it is documented
<deryl> well, there's my entertainment for the day
<ReinH> whatever catphish is talking about, it isn't an echo server
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<JonnieCache> scott_nz: yeah that works. ruby just auto-returns the last line of any function
<apeiros_> catphish: assuming you don't care about your client getting a happy response, my code above mostly disproves your claim that you need knowledge of the http layer in order to echo a request…
<ReinH> nothing annoys me more than someone who is dead wrong telling me I'm an idiot
<catphish> ReinH: a tcp echo server will not respond with a valid HTTP response
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<ReinH> catphish: you do not know what an echo server is
<shadoi> ...
<JonnieCache> scott_nz: and a || b just works like that, so if you put it on the last line it will be returned and youll get that behaviour
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<ReinH> if it responds with something other than what you sen dit
<ReinH> it is by definition NOT AN ECHO SERVICE
<ReinH> what part of that do you not understand?
<JonnieCache> scott_nz: the reason you might not find much documentation is because that behaviour isnt one ruby feature, ratehr a combination of several
<scott_nz> JonnieCache: thanks my tests confirm that. but why when i am in irb does it not work the same way?
<JonnieCache> scott_nz: it will still work the same way... in what exact circumstance?
<ReinH> TCP guaranteed that packets are received in order
<shadoi> scott_nz: there must be something different about your scope in irb.
<ReinH> if I send the packets back in the order they are received
<scott_nz> JonnieCache: i.e if in rib i assign a = 1 and then right b || a it complains b isn't defined
<ReinH> exactly the same packets
<ReinH> then I have an echo server
<catphish> cek: anyway, to answer the original question, you probably want to use sinatra, and find the method to get the original request, and echo it back as the respnse body
<ReinH> it is the same for TCP and HTTP
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* ReinH facepalms
<scott_nz> JonnieCache: sorry right = write
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<ReinH> cek: so do you want an echo server or do you want something that behaves differently that you mistakenly called an echo server?
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<catphish> if you really want to echo back the original request in a way that an HTTP client won't understand, just use TCPServer and loop back the stream
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<csavola> catphish cek : If you are ignoring response headers the TCP echo would suffice... which is what ReinH is getting at
<matled> ReinH: sending a syn packet should give me back a syn packet with the same source and destination address as I've sent out? without a router that could work!
<catphish> i think we're agreed :)
<shadoi> scott_nz: in your code, b and a are defined but sometimes nil, in irb if you don't ever define the variables you get that exception.
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<ReinH> matled: touche
<catphish> matled: :)
<catphish> matled: but the destination MAC shouldn't be changed
<scott_nz> JonnieCache: in my code a only gets defined inside an if statement
<catphish> that wouldn't be an echo
<matled> catphish: promiscous mode is implied :D
<catphish> that's ok then :)
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<cek> stop annoying me. i need reverse of hurl.it
<scott_nz> JonnieCache: i am sure if i try and access a then i will get an execption
<ReinH> cek: what is "the reverse of hurl.it"?
<benj_> you can call whatever you want an echo service unless you call it an RFC862 echo service
<ReinH> cek: you suck at asking for help
<catphish> cek: look at writing a simple http server with sinatra
<cek> how do i catch all request methods with sinatra?
<catphish> thanks for the lightening of my mood matled :)
<apeiros_> catphish: for some reason I think even with "correct http reply" it's simpler just using TCPSocket
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<catphish> im going home now
<apeiros_> err, TCPServer
<apeiros_> after all, it's a single line of code to add - which consists of a proper set of headers and the content
<catphish> apeiros_: that may be true, but only if he understands the http protocol
<JonnieCache> scott_nz: you will get that error if a is totally undefined
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<apeiros_> catphish: you don't need to understand the protocol. you only need a single set of headers and you can look that up…
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<deryl> you don't hav eto understand the http protocol directly if you just follow the docs :)
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<shadoi> scott_nz: you can use: defined?(a), but beware that it returns strings instead of true
<JonnieCache> scott_nz: better to rewrite your code so a is a method call of some kind, or an instance variable
<scott_nz> JonnieCache: oh i can see that now in rib when i create a method. so defined?(b) will return false but b || a will only work if b is in the method. do the variables some how bubble in scope?
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<cek> tcp echo won't work , http request has slightly different format than http reply
<shadoi> scott_nz: variables without a sigil or caps are local.
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<cek> sinatra doesn't reload code on change, like in rails
<shadoi> cek: use shotgun and suddenly it does.
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<scott_nz> does an if block have its own variable scope?
<danheberden> no
<scott_nz> ah ok thanks guys that clears some things up for me
<scott_nz> much appreciated
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<ReinH> apeiros_: I can write an "echo server" that responds with an HTTP repsonse in bash using netcat in 4 LOC
<apeiros_> ReinH: I suggest you do it and paste it, then poor cek has something to work with…
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<deryl> depends on which code is changed on if rails reloads it. in production rails won't reload classes generally because config.cache_classes=true is the default production setting.
<deryl> in which case oyu have to either restart rails, or issue a reload through the rails console
<deryl> s/oyu/you/
<cek> you tell me i fucked around with unloadable constants for straight 1 day
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<cek> and finally got it working
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<ReinH> apeiros_: ugh, of course I'm on OS X so no nc -c
<ReinH> sigh
<apeiros_> brew install netcat ?
<apeiros_> or is that bsd vs gnu?
<ReinH> bsd iirc
<ReinH> I hate scripting nc
<deryl> correct
<ReinH> because it's always so different
<apeiros_> same with top…
<ReinH> apeiros_: fuck it, I will use /dev/tcp
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<apeiros_> :)
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<ReinH> apeiros_: I write a redis client in bash using /dev/tcp and people are telling me I don't understand TCP
* ReinH facepalms
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<cek> yea, so what you know about tsvals and sacks?
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<cek> catphish, how do I "wildcard" method in sinatra so I don't write 6 of them?
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<ReinH> cek: you're telling me you know about the TCP timestamp clock but you DON'T know how to make a server that will echo an HTTP request?
<ReinH> wow.
<apeiros_> no guarantees
<ReinH> or did you just google some shit
<deryl> google
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<cek> apeiros_, what's the point of that if i can just use sinatra
<ReinH> ... his works?
<ReinH> lol
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<apeiros_> cek: lets scroll up and see your questions?
<ReinH> what's the point of me failing repeatedly if I can just succeed by using the thing you wrote?
<ReinH> sorry, I got that backwards
<apeiros_> but hey, you don't *have* to use it. feel free to waste your time whatever way you prefer.
<deryl> you guys are *harsh*! love it :)
<ReinH> what's the point of you succeeding by using the thing he wrote if you can just fail repeatedly on your own?
<deryl> (i've even been the recipient a time or two. talk about crispy)
<apeiros_> cek: but yeah, you're welcome.
<cek> actually, i think restclient's using net-http
<cek> that what i would use as it comes in stdlib
<ReinH> many things use net-http, but you can't write a server with net-http
<ReinH> you can use TCPServer (or TCPSocket if you're extra manly/womanly), which are both in core
<ReinH> er stdlib
* apeiros_ joins ReinH in swearing 'bout 'em idiots
<ReinH> I always forget
<apeiros_> can also use webrick
<ReinH> but about 5 minutes ago you eschewed doing those things because you wanted to use sinatra
<ReinH> so WHICH IS IT
<apeiros_> tcpserver/tcpsocket is stdlib, though
<ReinH> apeiros_: confirm
<ReinH> you'll see that I corrected myself :p
<apeiros_> I see nothing!
<ReinH> the goggles
<apeiros_> I don't wanna look!
<apeiros_> it boggles
<ReinH> apeiros_: usually it takes a few drinks before I'm up to "helping" people on irc
<apeiros_> the mind!
<apeiros_> yet, I'm kind
<ReinH> apeiros_: and when I say "helping", what I really mean is "being beat about the head and shoulders with the stupid stick"
<apeiros_> ReinH: I knew I omitted a step before going online!
<apeiros_> drats!
<ReinH> apeiros_: yes, now I am remembering why
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<csavola> ReinH: apeiros_ never too late to correct the mistake of not being hammered :)
<ReinH> I tell someone you can write an "HTTP echo server" using a TCP socket and I'm told I don't know how HTTP works
<ReinH> you know the day's off to a bad start when that happens
<apeiros_> ReinH: and I write an echo server and do I get a "thank you"?
<ReinH> no, you get "ok that's great but I'd rather keep failing"
* apeiros_ snickers
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<cek> why would you propose sinatra if it can't do elementary thing like catching all responses
<cek> *requests
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<ReinH> while true; do netcat -l -p 8080 | netcat -l -p 8080; done # ZOMG HTTP ECHO SERVER
* ReinH facepalms
<apeiros_> cek: where did I propose sinatra?
<cek> this is hillarious. the code is too complicated to understand what's going under the hood
<csavola> apeiros_: I do believe that's in reference to my suggestion :)
<ReinH> apeiros_: packets go in, packets go out, can't explain that
<apeiros_> csavola: very well possible. cek didn't specify whom he targeted with "you"
<cek> that guys gone now
<cek> okay, what about rack
<savage-> apeiros_: nice!
<savage-> apeiros_: did you see my experiment with forked processes and unix sockets?
<apeiros_> cek: with rack it'd need 21 lines less
<apeiros_> but I'll be damned if I write you that line.
<ReinH> cek: rack would actually make it super easy
<ReinH> I mean, not as easy as my one line netcat solution, but
<deryl> apeiros_: err, how is your 22 line script "too complicated to understand what's going on under the hood"?
<deryl> i'm a relative newb and even *I* understand that script
<cek> i used eventmachine before and it was great hdnling network routines
<apeiros_> deryl: you gotta ask cek. I'd agree with you
* deryl shakes his head, confused
<apeiros_> cek: you didn't use eventmachine then. you used something that used eventmachine for you.
<csavola> cek: just to answer you q cek... https://gist.github.com/1641724
<cek> csavola, well you didn't get it too
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<deryl> oh jeez. how is it everyone else *but* you is wrong on everything you've said so far
<cek> rack tutorial
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<apeiros_> abandon all hope…
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<csavola> ... and I'm done with that
<cek> this hcannel is of no use
<csavola> ignore is a wonderful thing
<ReinH> if you can't formulate a search query for rack that is specific to ruby
<ReinH> you are officially beyond help
<cek> i mean, i asked totally simple question with defined params and you failed to answer
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<deryl> no you asked bullshit is what you did
<ReinH> cek: what was this simple question with defined params?
<ReinH> remember when we got into an argument because you don' tknow what an "echo server" is?
<ReinH> remember when we got into an argument because you don' tknow what an "echo server" is?yeah.
<ReinH> why did that double post? :(
<apeiros_> funny, rackup minds the suffix? wtf? :(
<ReinH> bad internet is bad
<cek> i needed a very simple ruby based http echo server that would echo parameters. the request would come over ssl, thus some ssl aware support was needed.
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<cek> hurl.it is a wonderful resource. Now I need a server for it that does exactly that.
<cek> answers queries with some examples
<cek> echo is the most basic example one could imagine
<cek> it should catch everything, not only GET. fuck GET. i want to OPTIONS / HTTP/1.0
<cek> <cek> catphish, how do I "wildcard" method in sinatra so I don't write 6 of them?
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<apeiros_> what a nice person
<LiquidInsect> Shame he left so suddenly
<ReinH> lulz
<ReinH> a "very simple ruby based echo server"
<ReinH> that handles ssl
<ReinH> right
<ReinH> good luck with that
* ReinH facepalms
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<ReinH> a simple HTTP server that handles ssl is a contradiction in terms
<ReinH> fucking asshat
<deryl> ReinH: for shame. everyone knows encryption is easy peasy!
* deryl runs
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<ReinH> if you want to build an HTTP echo server that can handle ssl, first you must invent the universe
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<apeiros_> openssl
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<apeiros_> I could make the client, for the server it doesn't seem to work the same way, though… I'm actually currently reading…
<apeiros_> (client it'd be 4 added lines)
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<apeiros_> might have it…
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<apeiros_> hrm, certs, how do they fucking work…
<apeiros_> besides the certs, I think I have it (without usable certs, it won't work, though)
<csavola> apeiros_: barely...
<ReinH> apeiros_: don't you have, like, work?
<ReinH> you can self-sign
<ReinH> easily enough
<ReinH> but the larger question is why the fuck you are doing this
<ReinH> :p
<apeiros_> ReinH: I create certs like once every 50 years
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<ReinH> apeiros_: I worked at Puppet
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<ReinH> I created certs like once ever 5 minutes
<apeiros_> so I'm always struggling to figure out again how to create cert.pem & key.pem
<ReinH> :p
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<apeiros_> so you can probably tell me…
<ReinH> nah :p
<apeiros_> I need matching files for: OpenSSL::PKey::RSA.new(File.open("key.pem")) and OpenSSL::X509::Certificate.new(File.open("cert.pem"))
<cmasseraf> Hey guys, can you help me with a very basic question... I can't understand when I use @ and when I use : for variables in a class
<ReinH> generate a key with openssl genrsa
<apeiros_> ok, thanks
<ReinH> then openssl req -new -x509 -key privkey.pem -out cacert.pem -days 1095
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<csavola> cmasseraf: @ is for instance variables : isn't for variables at all... it's used in namespacing, symbols and hashes
<apeiros_> ReinH: thx
<ReinH> apeiros_: np
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<ReinH> ssl certificates, how do they work
<apeiros_> sad :( --> $ ruby echo.rb
<apeiros_> /Users/stefan/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p0/lib/ruby/1.9.1/openssl/ssl-internal.rb:164:in `accept': SSL_accept SYSCALL returned=5 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read client certificate A (OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError)
<apeiros_> something I'm still doing wrong…
<apeiros_> the browser at least displays the "Can't trust cert!!!!" :)
<ReinH> heh
<ReinH> dunno bro
<apeiros_> dunno either
<apeiros_> end of latin
<apeiros_> or ruby
<apeiros_> or openssl'd ruby
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<apeiros_> works!
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<ReinH> yay!
<ReinH> see how simple it is to write a ruby https echo server?
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<apeiros_> ReinH: pm…
<ReinH> I love how he kept saying http and then eventually mentioned ssl
<apeiros_> well it IS supereasy
<apeiros_> I mean all you have to do is tunnel…
<apeiros_> *cough*
<cmasseraf> csavola: thanks, after a google search on sybols I understood! =)
<csavola> cmasseraf: np
<apeiros_> (could probably have done that, I think openssl has a server-tunnel/redirect mode)
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<hex``> is there a ruby interactive shell on the web, just like www.pythonanywhere.com?
<hex``> ops
<hex``> wrong reference, but I think you guys understand me
<hex``> correct reference: http://shell.appspot.com
<iamjarvo> is it possible to add an array item in the 0 slot. and push everything over one spot
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<iamjarvo> .unshift
<hex``> is there a ruby interactive shell (irb) on the web, just like http://shell.appspot.com
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<robyurkowski> hex``: it's feature-limited, but you could visit http://tryruby.org/levels/1/challenges/0
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<ReinH> hex``: you don't need to ask twice
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<hex``> robyurkowski: thank you very much
<hex``> ReinH: sorry :)
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<dankest> I
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<dankest> I'm trying to load multiple YAML objects from a text file, but when I use YAML::load(File.open("#{Rails.root}/get_courses.txt")), it only returns the first YAML object in the file. What do I need to do to load all the objects into an array?
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<dankest> Nevermind! I found YAML::load_documents
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<fred> hi all - it's been a while since I did a new project - is mocha still considered a good mocking framework?
<fred> (for using while testing my project, project isn't making a new mocking library :p )
<csavola> fred: that's a loaded question :) if you like mocha use it
<statix> I'm trying to do this in a Chef bootstrap script, but apparently this is not legal Ruby, can someone tell me how to do this properly? echo "<%= @config[:chef_node_name].split(".")[0] %>" > /etc/hostname
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<statix> I get (erubis):19:in `evaluate': private method `split' called for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
<csavola> statix: @config does not have a value for :chef_node_name
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<fred> csavola: :) cool - I just know that if I like something, come back after a year, there's a fair chance that it's been replaced by something better :p
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<csavola> fred: just because it's hip/new doesn't make it better
<statix> Hmm, that @config[:chef_node_name] variable is used in other places in the file; maybe I have to cast it to a string? (no idea)
<fred> csavola: of course, but if consensus says it's better, it's at least worth looking at
<csavola> statix: try puts @config.inspect and check to see that it's what you expect it to be
<statix> OK, thanks
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<statix> csavola: I actually get: {:chef_node_name=>"test64-2.cloud-a.domain.com", ...... }
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<csavola> statix: still getting the same error?
<maletor> Can anyone here do this in one line
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<statix> Well... I think I just spotted a typo actually :|
<maletor> updated gist
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<wroathe> I'm trying to understand why and and && have different precedence in Ruby. Is there a specific use the and keyword was designed for?
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<maxerize> `require': cannot load such file -- sinatra (LoadError) on running the sinatra hello world
<maxerize> any help?
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<fred> maxerize: a) have you installed sinatra? b) if you're on ruby 1.8, do you also have require 'rubygems' in your file?
<maxerize> a) yes b) no, v 1.9.3
<statix> csavola: works now, thanks for the help
<maxerize> also, running irb and then require 'sinatra' gives a syntaxerror
<csavola> statix: np
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<statix> I'm starting week 2 of ruby after years of "curly stuff" .. blowing my mind here
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<wroathe> Anyone have any insight into my earlier question?
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<InfiniteJest> I tried to replicate the "bare words" trick from this talk: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
<shevy> wroathe what is ur question
<InfiniteJest> But it's failing with a stack too deep error.
<InfiniteJest> Is there something I'm missing? (And why is it causing a stack too deep error? I see no recursion!)
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<csavola> InfiniteJest: can you gist?
<shadoi> better summary than you'd get in IRC :)
<InfiniteJest> Ok. Just a second.
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<InfiniteJest> csavola: https://gist.github.com/1642439
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<ePirat> hello
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<wroathe> shadoi, I appreciate it :)
<InfiniteJest> (I forgot to add that Ruby version is 1.9.2-p290)
<ePirat> I've a problem running a ruby project getting following error: http://pastebin.com/gfJaR2aL anyone knows why?
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<csavola> InfiniteJest: it's a ruby 1.9 thing... it calls #to_ary on something as the first call
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<Guest24825> I've a problem using a ruby script, trying to run with foreman start -f Procfile, i get an require error, seems something is not found but dunno why, anyone can help me please? http://pastebin.com/8hmkfUkJ
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<Hanmac> ePirat: pastebin is currently broken, but it is the same paste from last hour? ... have you installed bundler?
<ePirat> yeah i have
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<trivol> Do you know a way to write a string into an Array ? (I have an array of 20 char, and I want to write "Hello" in it starting at the index 5)
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<Hanmac> trivol: do you mean like: oldString[5,0]="Hello"
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<ePirat> Hanmac, oh wait there is an error when i try to bundle, while installing bcrypt-ruby
<ePirat> ERROR: Error installing bcrypt-ruby: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
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<trivol> Hanmac: nop, I mean :
<trivol> a = Array.new(10)
<trivol> s = "Hello"
<trivol> s.magicalFunctionIntoStartingAt a, 5
<trivol> a => [" ", " ", " ", " ", " ", " ", "H", "e", "l", "l", "o"]
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<Hanmac> a[5,0] = s.split("")
<trivol> awesome :) thx
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<geekbri> Anybody here doing continous integration with jenkins with ruby? Any suggestions on the best way to do it?
<ePirat> Hanmac, ok tracked down the error, it requires mkmf which cannot be found, but i have installed ruby… why could that be?
<Hanmac> the dev package too?
<ePirat> yep
<Hanmac> then i dont know ... mkmf is in the ruby*version*-dev package, so it should be requireable ...
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<Hanmac> i hope this is not a bug of rvm :(
<deryl> if you're using dev packages then its definitely *not* rvm
<deryl> rvm only gives you *access* to the system ruby, it does not in any way shape or form control it.
<deryl> rvm use system
<deryl> now its the OS's responsibility (the OS's package manager)
<Hanmac> i never used rvm so i dont know
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<voodoofish430> if I have a class that extends it's base class, can both have in initialize method or only 1?
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<ePirat> hah
<canton7> both can have constructors, yeah
<ePirat> got it working
<ePirat> had the wrong version of the dev pakcages
<canton7> if you want the child class's constructor to call the parent's constructor, use super()
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<apeiros_> there aren't really constructors in ruby. the closest thing to a constructor is Class#allocate. initialize is an instance method and its name is very accurate - it doesn't construct the object, it initializes it.
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<apeiros_> you *could* consider new a constructor. all it does is run allocate and invoke initialize with its own args
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<mononofu> does ruby do some kind of funky encoding when reading from files?
<mononofu> becaus this fails: puts "first == %s: %s" % [name, "first" == name]
<mononofu> the output I get: "first == first: false"
<canton7> mononofu, is name a symbol?
<mononofu> a variable
<mononofu> containing the string "name"
<canton7> i mean, is the value a string or a symbol? try outputting name.class
<mononofu> ok, that says symbol
<mononofu> ah
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<canton7> so, :first == name, or "first".to_sym == name, or "first" == name.to_s
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<mononofu> thank you very much :)
<canton7> :)
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<asteve> is there a difference between these two? http://pastie.org/3216138
<LiquidInsect> asteve: usually you use braces for single-line blocks and do...end for multi-line blocks
<LiquidInsect> otherwise, no
<asteve> LiquidInsect: awesome, thanks
<canton7> asteve, style mainly. There's a slight precidence difference, but most agree that stylistically, bra... what LiquidInsect said
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<hamiltop> I'm using ruby to interface with an embedded system over a uart. I am sending a struct over the connection and I am trying to find a good way to parse out the binary data and store it in an equivalent class in ruby. Is there a simple way to do this?
<canton7> I suspect a C extension might be required
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<mamu> has anyone ever had to work around weird issues with NameError#to_s/NameError#message ? I've found a few folks on the web discussing seeing inappropriate behavior with name_err_to_s / name_err_mesg_to_str and it seems to be hitting my production processes pretty hard whenever a name error is rescued and logged. hard being several seconds cranking the cpu as fast as it can. (this is on ruby 1.9.2p290)
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