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anyone here has experience how to debug segmentation errors?
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sigurding: how's your gdb-fu?
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because that's your tool of choice for these problems
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yorickpeterse: I must admit, I am beginner, so the question I have none
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drx >
Is there a way to make deeply nested object literals JavaScript style: obj = { property:"wow" , nestobj:{ a:12 } } ?
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drx, You can nest as much as you want
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drx: {nested_hash: {you_can: 'indeed'}} #=> {:nested_hash=>{:you_can=>"indeed"}}
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but then can I access it with standard accessors like obj.nested_hash.you_can ==> "indeed" ?
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havenwood: that doesn'
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that doesn't seem to work in IRB
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drx: obj[:nested_hash][:you_can] #=> "indeed"
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so obj = { nested_hash:"whatever"
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drx >
have you tried that in IRB ?
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drx: you didn't close your Hash literal with a: }
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yeah I was just typing too fast
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drx: What version of Ruby are you using?
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Ruby 2.0.0.p247
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drx: Good! Then that should work fine in irb, check it out. Though you might want to switch to Pry, it is very nice as an irb alternative:
http://pryrepl.org/
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nice , whats better about pry over IRB ?
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drx >
weird: obj={ prop:"something" } obj[:prop] works obj["prop"] does not work
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drx >
so :prop and "prop" are totally different properties it looks like
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havenwood >
drx: a Hash key can be a String, a Symbol or a multitude of other Classes
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drx >
right but how do you declare an object literals using string keys ?
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apeiros >
by using a string literal as key
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havenwood >
drx: syntax highlighting and indentation are just the beginning of Pry niceties
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apeiros >
instead of using a symbol literal
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havenwood >
drx: in Pry type `help` to see the Pry-specific commands
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apeiros >
>> x = {symbol_key: 1, "string_key" => 2, ["array", "key"] => 3}; x[:symbol_key]
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havenwood >
drx: gem install pry pry-doc
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apeiros >
>> x = {symbol_key: 1, "string_key" => 2, ["array", "key"] => 3}; x["string_key"]
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apeiros >
>> x = {symbol_key: 1, "string_key" => 2, ["array", "key"] => 3}; x[["array", "key"]]
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drx >
Is it possible to use string keys without using the weird assignment operator =>
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drx >
I think using arithmetic operators for assignment is just not beautiful at all
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drx >
I only started using Ruby more seriously when 1.9 was updated with : as assignment
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drx >
=> for assignment is a huge mistake in my opinion
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drx >
using arithmetic operators for assigning properties is just wrong , I would like to eliminate all instances of it from my code
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jhass >
what arithmetic operation does => represent?
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havenwood >
drx: the Hash rocket isn't an arithmetic operator :P
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apeiros >
drx: a) it's not assignment
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apeiros >
b) => is not an arithmetic operator
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apeiros >
you maybe think of >= (bigger than or equal)
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drx >
=> assignment >= greater than or equal to
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drx >
I know, but it looks like on
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drx >
thats so inconsistent and unappealing
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drx >
How can I create object literals with string keys without the hash rocket in Ruby ?
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apeiros >
drx: no, = is assignment
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apeiros >
=> is not assignment
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drx >
>= => both use > and =
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drx >
both are used for arithmetic
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apeiros >
drx: sorry dude, but ascii only has a limited number of characters
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apeiros >
you'll find that many are used multiple times in different contexts.
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jhass >
drx: what arithmetic operation does = represent?
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drx >
choosing your programming language is all about aesthetics
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apeiros >
better get used to.
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havenwood >
drx: `=>` is unambiguously a Hash rocket, very different from `>=` or `<=`
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drx >
yeah I am just not feeling the hash rocket .
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havenwood >
drx: not to be confused with the stabby lambda `->`
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apeiros >
welcome to "learn a new language"
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drx >
yeah thats what I'm doing :)
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drx >
I'm trying to maintain a bunch of different stacks at the same time
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apeiros >
unless you're learning a language which imitates one you happen to already know, things will be new and may feel weird.
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drx >
for work its all Java, and Node.JS
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drx >
so at home I wanna do Ruby
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apeiros >
but if it imitates one you already know - where's the point in learning it?
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drx >
So...... Is there a way to create object literals with STring keys without using hash rockets ?
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havenwood >
drx: Do JRuby and Opal and compile to jars and js.
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centrx >
drx, hashrocket is the literal hash syntax for non-symbol keys
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centrx >
hashrocket is awesome
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drx >
ok. So its not possible to create object literals with string keys using : ?
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centrx >
You are dealing every day with the needless verbosity of Java and Javascript and you complain about the hashrocket
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havenwood >
drx: Hash literals, no.
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obj = { "prop":"somethign" } throws errors
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centrx >
drx, You could create everything in a JSON string and then parse the JSON, but that would be dumb and slow
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drx >
Hmm, interesting idea though centrx
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havenwood >
drx: obj = { "i should be a symbol" => "yes probably" }
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So a symbol is really a Property and a Value simultanously eh ?
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centrx >
A symbol is an instance of Symbol
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havenwood >
drx: an interend String
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Symbols is one of those werid things its hard to get a grasp on when coming from the C family
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havenwood >
interned*
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apeiros >
drx: Symbols are objects, just like Strings and Integers are objects
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their speciality lies in how their memory is managed.
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this conversation is really painful
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Woah ! Symbol.all_symbols
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