apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.0; 2.0.0-p353; 1.9.3-p484: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<zenspider> ruby_parser 3.4.1 released.
<zenspider> rawr
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<dingus_khan> i can't figure out how to pass values from an array to a Time.utc constructor...
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<centrx> dingus_khan, Time.utc(*array)
<centrx> It is called the splat operator
<dingus_khan> centrx: holy crap spackle, i would have never thought of that, thanks!
<tanema> splat it wonderful magic you should try other things it does like
<dingus_khan> oh man it works perfectly, hah--much appreciated!
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<tanema> first, *center, end = [1,2,3,4,5,6]
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<dingus_khan> tanema: end is a keyword, so i switched it for "last"; that's pretty neat, haven't really used the splat much, good to know what it can do!
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<tanema> dingus_khan: you are very right I just knocked that example out without thinking
<dingus_khan> for sure, figured it was on the fly, thanks for sharing!
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<zzak> zenspider: ping
<zzak> zenspider: is that you? https://github.com/ruby/ruby/commit/b73610f
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<dingus_khan> is there a way to make an object a hash? as in some instance of a class i've defined, made accessible like a hash? i'm not finding that answer, so i think i'm asking the wrong question..
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<pipework> define #to_has
<pipework> define #to_hash
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<dingus_khan> pipework: didn't see this, you mean define my own #to_hash class method, right?
<pipework> define #to_hash
<dingus_khan> ...
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<pipework> dingus_khan: # does not signify a class method in ruby...
<dingus_khan> pipework: i didn't mean as an actual class method, but an instance method belonging to that class.
<pipework> all instance methods stay on the classes they're defined on.
<dingus_khan> i feel like you're trying to be un-helpful
<pyk> question: what is different #ruby & #ruby-lang channel? which one is official? thanks
<pipework> dingus_khan: You asked how to turn classes into hashes, I said define #to_hash.
<pipework> Not sure what else you really need here.
<dingus_khan> pipework: forget i asked.
<pipework> dingus_khan: way ahead of you
<dingus_khan> thanks for the troll i guess
<pipework> k
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<Meths> Are there issues with races in the ri generation for 1.9? I keep seeing differences in my build output typically looking like http://paste.ec/?1f55350f23bac964#GZbm0I7ueN8Fq3BLuNYrIou6JJu4/m/tMDHSwzrgPKg=
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<Meths> The generated file was from the latest build, the sample was from a previous build.
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<Meths> 2.0 and 2.1 seem fine.
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<abstr4ct> got a bunch of defs defined, then i run them at the end. I tried using thread.new on each one like Thread.new {def1()} then Thread.new {def2()} and so on.. i observed that it interweaved them, with no difference in performance or system load..... Even mor interesting was after like 5 thread.new it seems to just skip running the defs but didnt give a error... Ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20)
<abstr4ct> [i386-mingw32]
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<abstr4ct> any ideas on any these points... btw this code calls internet rescources and outputs to a remote database...
<apeiros> abstr4ct: MRI uses green threads.
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<apeiros> that is, no true parallelism, only concurrency. unless your problem is IO bound, you won't get an increase in performance.
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<havenwood> abstr4ct: Be sure to set #abort_on_exception = true
<abstr4ct> well basically i am bound by how fast each def can makes calls to the net.. but this is not a throughput issue.
<abstr4ct> so i wanted to be able to execute many defs at one time
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<abstr4ct> its not a throughput issue on my end, it is on the remote end. so i wanted to able to run multiple defs at once...
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<abstr4ct> not even sure what i want is possible. heh
<apeiros> stop calling it "defs" please
<apeiros> those things are methods
<abstr4ct> gotcha methods...
<abstr4ct> so, i wanted to be able to call multiple methods at the same time.
<apeiros> "at the same time" is parallelism. as said before, MRI only offers concurrency (interleaved, "almost" at the same time)
<abstr4ct> yes, i saw them interleave, but it changed absolutly nothing
<abstr4ct> so i would need to call multiple ruby processes with seperate methods in them
<abstr4ct> in that manner i would sort of be faking it.. if my assumption is correct
<abstr4ct> for example, one that calls "ODD" methods and one that calls "even" methods... assuming that were applicable
<havenwood> abstr4ct: You can use a Ruby implementation that doesn't have a GVL (global vm lock) like JRuby or Rubinius. Or use fork processes instead of threading.
<havenwood> Or fork*
<abstr4ct> so assuming i used jruby, i would use the thred.new which might have better performance?
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<havenwood> abstr4ct: Yeah, Threads can run in parallel with JRuby if you've got the cores.
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<abstr4ct> so i have ruby and some gems installed i am using in my code... at a highlevel what do i need to do to get jruby up and going?
<abstr4ct> i assuming i keep what i have installed...
<apeiros> if you have rvm and your app is either a gem or has a Gemfile, all you need to do is `rvm install jruby`, `rvm use jruby` and then either reinstall your gem or run bundle
<havenwood> abstr4ct: I use ruby-install to install and chruby to switch between them. There are various options.
<havenwood> abstr4ct: Are you using RVM?
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<havenwood> abstr4ct: http://jruby.org/ and #jruby might be helpful
<ddd> rvm --install use jruby && gem install blah # this presupposes you're NOT using rvm gemsets. If you want a gemset do: rvm --install --create use jruby-1.7.9@mygemset && gem install blah
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<ddd> the --install tells rvm to install the particular ruby you're trying to use if it isn't already installed and --create means create the gemset if it doesn't already exist under that particular ruby
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<abstr4ct> hrm
<abstr4ct> to be honest, i installed what i have now so long ago, i dont recall how i did it. i was following a tutorial
<ddd> rvm list
<ddd> shows what rubies are installed. I would highly suggest reading rvm.io's docs
<havenwood> abstr4ct: What do you get with?: command -v ruby
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<abstr4ct> you mean ruby -v?
<abstr4ct> i have rubygems installed
<apeiros> I think he literally means `command -v ruby`
<ddd> no, exactly what he said. 'command' displays the full patht o whatever command would be run if you issuedthe command 'ruby'
<abstr4ct> oh haha
<abstr4ct> R:\Development\Ruby\Ruby193\bin>command -v ruby
<abstr4ct> 'command' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
<abstr4ct> operable program or batch file.
<ddd> type 'help command' at your shell prompt. its a built-in to bash
<ddd> oh he';s running windows. no clue there
<apeiros> eeeew, windows :-p
<havenwood> ddd: No RVM. Windows. :P
<ddd> yeah i see that now :)
<apeiros> I think there are prepackaged versions of jruby available for windows
<abstr4ct> i see that now
<abstr4ct> but how do i get my gems into the new jruby?
<havenwood> abstr4ct: Grab the Windows Executable (and JRE if you don't already have it): http://www.jruby.org/download
<apeiros> you reinstall them
<havenwood> abstr4ct: JRuby ships with RubyGems.
<abstr4ct> ahh
<abstr4ct> i am looking for a "getting started" for jruby
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<ddd> rubbygems is just the 'gem' command and attendant libs etc that it needs to run (which I *think* is all stdlib/core)
<havenwood> abstr4ct: http://www.jruby.org/#2
<abstr4ct> i think i found something here https://github.com/jruby/jruby/wiki/GettingStarted
<ddd> ruby started including rubygems with 1.9.x iirc. 1.8 it was separate
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<abstr4ct> oh, i must have done this a very long time ago
<abstr4ct> well i am installing the window jruby... here we go.. :P
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<ddd> to really make this easier on you, I would suggest installing the windows version of virtualbox (its an opensource vmware basically) and installing a linux virtual. A) you'll find development a lot easier and B) you'll find compatability better. do what you got to right now, but its something to think about in the immediate future
<centrx> People still use Windows?
<ddd> suggestion you can ignore, just one to make it easier for you in the future, and gives you the OS that ruby was built under/around
<ddd> i do, but for windows specific stuff via a dual boot setup
* centrx sends out notice entitled "Windows deprecated"
<ddd> hehe
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<abstr4ct> gotcha
<abstr4ct> do i need to make an app first?
<abstr4ct> i seem to recall having to do that before
<abstr4ct> however it is not listed as a step in the "getting started"
<ddd> an app?
<abstr4ct> R:\Development\Ruby\jruby-1.7.10>jruby -v
<abstr4ct> jruby 1.7.10 (1.9.3p392) 2014-01-09 c4ecd6b on Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 1.7.0_07-b10 [Windows 7-amd64]
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<abstr4ct> ahh my firs error
<abstr4ct> ERROR: Error installing mysql:
<abstr4ct> ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
<abstr4ct> R:/Development/Ruby/jruby-1.7.10/bin/jruby.exe extconf.rb
<abstr4ct> NotImplementedError: C extension support is not enabled. Pass -Xcext.enabled=true to JRuby or set JRUBY_OPTS.
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<kith> windows is great for surfing, reading mails, playing games, ms-office
<kith> thats about it tho :D
<ericwood> I love OS X
<ericwood> and linuxes of all sorts
<kith> me too
<ericwood> but OS X won my heart <3
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<kith> osx + *BSD
<kith> i'll run bsd on servers and osx on my desktop :D
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<pipework> kith: I don't know if it's any good for surfing or reading emails, or that ms-office is a good thing, but it is indeed good for gaming.
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<CaptainJet> I'm on Windows, and I stil use libreoffice anyways
<CaptainJet> plus OSX has microsoft office as well
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<centrx> Windows is only useful for games
<centrx> Which is to say, not useful
<CaptainJet> I would disagree i saying it's not useful
<CaptainJet> It does all the same things, except giving a nice building environment
<CaptainJet> in saying*
<CaptainJet> i'm using most of the same programs i did on linux while i used it
<centrx> Yes, of course. Relative usefulness
<centrx> An abacus is useful.
<kith> pipework: ms-office is a de facto standard... unfortunately
<kith> in businesses
<pipework> kith: Mmm, maybe for business people.
<pipework> But I've gotten along with them happily while using free software.
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<kith> i hear some people say theres no free alternative for excel
<kith> i cant tell because i dont use excel that much
<CaptainJet> libreoffice's calc, and google spreadsheets
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<kith> apprarently they dont have all the features of excel
<kith> but i wouldnt know
<kith> *shrugs*
<CaptainJet> the features they don't have are probably obscure
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<abstr4ct> anyone had any experience with reading/parsing google calendars that you DONT own.
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<ykk`> hey guys
<ykk`> i need to embed a facebook gallery onto a site. Would you recommend the Koala Gem or something else?
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