apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.0; 2.0.0-p353; 1.9.3-p484: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<heavyhorse> is there a way to load rack's config.ru for a console session
<r0bgleeson> heavyhorse: what are you trying to do?
<heavyhorse> just load all my dependencies at once
<r0bgleeson> in a REPL session?
<heavyhorse> yep
<r0bgleeson> okay, did you know you can also invoke a REPL at runtime in your application?
<heavyhorse> no is there a special command?
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<r0bgleeson> yeah, kind of. i assume you're using irb, if you say 'gem install binding.repl', inside your application you can say 'binding.repl.irb' and it will open IRB in the context of where it was called from (maybe a controller, or a sinatra "get" block)
<r0bgleeson> i would recommend using 'pry' though - another REPL, who can do this out of the box, through 'binding.pry'
<r0bgleeson> pry also supports a project-local rc file, so you could load the dependencies there & they'd be available when pry starts.
<heavyhorse> that should work thanks
<heavyhorse> i was also thinking using rspec should let me run tests
<r0bgleeson> cool, let me know if you run into issues
<r0bgleeson> it should
<r0bgleeson> you can use rack-test to test rack applications alongside rspec
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<hfp> Hey, what's the difference betwen #method and ::something? Are they both methods?
<r0bgleeson> hfp: that's syntax used in documentation to denote an instance method and a "class" method.
<r0bgleeson> #method in ruby code is just a comment.
<hfp> r0bgleeson: Yes, I meant in the doc
<hfp> Thanks
<r0bgleeson> they both refer to methods yeah, :: refers to class method and # refers to instance method
<r0bgleeson> yw
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<hfp> I have the following snippet: http://pastie.org/8690004. Why would one use strings rather than symbols? I tried with symbols and it works: https://eval.in/97007
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<centrx> hfp, Because that is what is supposed to be tested?
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<hfp> centrx: Haha yes, but I suppose they are trying to teach me something else with this snippet
<centrx> Where is this from
<r0bgleeson> hfp: if you were to use a symbol there, you could pollute the next environment or the next test.
<hfp> Still the koans
<r0bgleeson> a symbol won't be reclaimed.
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<r0bgleeson> so, Symbol.all_symbols may return bad results in the next test
<r0bgleeson> i'd guess the logic is something along those lines
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<hfp> r0bgleeson: I'm going to be thick again and need more explanation to understand if you don't mind
<r0bgleeson> okay
<r0bgleeson> going to assume you meant think
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<rafeed> Hey everyone, is there any resource out there that describes how to go through paginated API json responses? Tried googling, but not sure what I should be googling. Found several tutorials on how to add pagination to api, but not how to use paginated results.
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<hfp> r0bgleeson: I meant I'd need more explanation from you to understand what you mean.
<r0bgleeson> rafeed: do you know how many results you want?
<hfp> For now, I don't understand how listing the methods that can be applied to Symbol can pollute the next environment/test.
<r0bgleeson> hfp: the test is asserting that the definition of a method has created a Symbol. if the test then went onto to assert through the same symbol, it would have created what it is testing for.
<rafeed> r0bgleeson: it varies. I.e. I'm trying to work with the feedbin api https://github.com/feedbin/feedbin-api#readme to go through starred items and there's a 100 item per page limit
<rafeed> but i want to search through say around 6k and counting items
<hfp> r0bgleeson: Right, but doesn't the method's symbol exist before using .all_symbols.map?
<r0bgleeson> rafeed: you might need to implement your HTTP client slightly different for each idea. the basic idea is that if you want to look for the past 700 items, you'd make 7 requests and keep an index to indicate the 'page'
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<r0bgleeson> hfp: that's what the test is trying to find out
<r0bgleeson> rafeed: for each API.*
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<hfp> r0bgleeson: I still don't get it. If you use the to_s method on a symbol, the symbol already exists and won't be garbage collected so why go thourhg the trouble of converting it to a string for the sake of the test?
<r0bgleeson> hfp: the test is making an assertion about how ruby behaves. i think ruby koans tests are suppose to assert what you've learned/are learning.
<r0bgleeson> hfp: because a symbol and string cannot be equal. :foo == "foo" is false.
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<r0bgleeson> every symbol is converted to a string to allow for comparison to happen
<hfp> Ok, but :foo == :foo so if they used the symbol in the assertion rather than the string then it eliminates the need to convert to a string, no?
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<r0bgleeson> if you used a symbol in that test you would break the test itself
<rafeed> r0bgleeson: ah okay, thanks. I'm a newbie at this stuff, so I'll look into what you mentioned. So the basic idea is that if I have a count of the items I want to go through just make a for loop to keep requesting pages that'd account for all of the items and then do whatever I want with my indexed pages of results?
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<r0bgleeson> you can't create what you're testing to see exists
<r0bgleeson> you actually could in that example, but it wouldn't be a good idea
<hfp> Because the symbol would be created from the assert line?
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<r0bgleeson> correct
<hfp> I see, thanks
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<hfp> I hope I'm not too much of a pain with my questions, the answer I get from all of you are really helpful in my understanding Ruby and I appreciate it
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<hfp> answers*
<r0bgleeson> rafeed: yeah. i recommend trying out the 'http' gem (gem install http). if you want 700 results, you'd say: (1..7).each { |page| res = HTTP.get("some_url.com", foo: page) }
<r0bgleeson> rafeed: that's a rough draft that won't work :) you would need to hold onto each response, you might also want to ask the server to keep a socket open for you so the requests aren't expensive, seems out of scope, if you're interested: https://github.com/drbrain/net-http-persistent
<r0bgleeson> hfp: sure not a pain at all
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<rafeed> r0bgleeson: sweet, thanks, I'll try out what you mentioned
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<r0bgleeson> cool
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<heavyhorse> sessions are a nightmare sometimes
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<hfp> r0bgleeson: So back to that symbol thing, this http://pastie.org/8690112 is wrong because the first argument of the assert creates the symbol?
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<r0bgleeson> hfp: not exactly, your original test case from ruby koans was asserting that the definition of a method created a Symbol of the same name as well, so to create the symbol in the test would defeat the purpose of the test.
<hfp> Ok, the map block was creating the symbol?
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<r0bgleeson> [1] pry(main)> def si_senor
<r0bgleeson> [1] pry(main)* end
<r0bgleeson> => nil
<r0bgleeson> [2] pry(main)> Symbol.all_symbols.include?(:si_senor)
<r0bgleeson> => true
<r0bgleeson> well
<r0bgleeson> that's flawed
<r0bgleeson> :))
<r0bgleeson> but, since all_symbols is called first, it shouldn't matter. the test is trying to avoid exactly that ^
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<r0bgleeson> it also does matter
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<r0bgleeson> Symbol.all_symbols.include?(:blahblahblahblah)
<r0bgleeson> => true
<r0bgleeson> so, for the test to be accurate, you should say Symbol.all_symbols.map(&:to_s).include?("blahblahblahblah").
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<r0bgleeson> the definition of the method is what should have created the symbol :si_senor, & that's what the test you're looking through is trying to verify.
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<hfp> I think this is what I can't wrap my head around. How does the `include?` method create the symbol?
<r0bgleeson> :foo is literal syntax to create a symbol.
<r0bgleeson> it's kind of like "foo", which is also syntax to create a String
<r0bgleeson> so, you have created the symbol on include?(:anything).
<hfp> >> var = [:foo, :bar]; var.include?(:baz)
<eval-in> hfp => false (https://eval.in/97017)
<hfp> Why isn't the :baz symbol not created in this example?
<r0bgleeson> it is, but it isn't in the array on the left.
<r0bgleeson> >> [:foo, :bar].include?(:bar)
<eval-in> r0bgleeson => true (https://eval.in/97018)
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<r0bgleeson> >> Symbol.all_symbols
<eval-in> r0bgleeson => [:freeze, :inspect, :intern, :object_id, :const_missing, :method_missing, :method_added, :singleton_method_added, :method_removed, :singleton_method_removed, :method_undefined, :singleton_method_undefi ... (https://eval.in/97019)
<hfp> Right, so include?(:lalala) creates the symbol and because we are using all_symbols then it shows true because virtually every wymbol is contained in Symbol.all_symbols \, correct?
<r0bgleeson> >> def fooxxx(); end; Symbol.all_symbols.map(&:to_s).include?("fooxxx")
<eval-in> r0bgleeson => true (https://eval.in/97020)
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<r0bgleeson> hfp: that's right yeah, and a symbol is never garbage collected.
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<hfp> And this contaminates the environment because the symbol is created with the first include?(:baz) so then if I test for :baz again it will exist even though it wasn't created "naturally" the way I wanted to check it was
<r0bgleeson> >> Symbol.all_symbols.map(&:to_s).include?("fooxxx")
<eval-in> r0bgleeson => false (https://eval.in/97021)
<r0bgleeson> hfp: yeah
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<hfp> Cool.
<hfp> Are all the methods creating any literal you pass them?
<r0bgleeson> when you say 'def foo(); end' ruby will also create a symbol called :foo, on ruby 2.1 that is even what the method returns.
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<r0bgleeson> on 2.1, you could probably rewrite the koan as: name = def foo(); end; name.to_s == "foo".
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<hfp> Noooooo, this destroys everything: https://eval.in/97023
<hfp> Why is the first `p` true?
<r0bgleeson> hfp: it looks like symbols may be allocated at parse time instead of runtime, but im not sure about that.
<hfp> r0bgleeson: Ah. So I am correct in what I attempted to do, expecting to have false false true?
<r0bgleeson> it would be a sane assumption yeah, it just works slightly different and appears to be allocated during parse/before runtime.
<hfp> I understand
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<hfp> There is no equivalent to the all_symbols method for strings, arrays and other objects? I can't find any
<r0bgleeson> there is, kind of yeah
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<r0bgleeson> ObjectSpace.each_object(String).to_a
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<hfp> r0bgleeson: This whole symbol thing also applies if I use the eql? method, right?
<hfp> `foo.eql?(:baz)` will create the :baz symbol
<hfp> so when testing for symbols I should always use to_s and compare strings?
<heavyhorse> is there some sort of problem with using the OAuth gem and foreman?
<r0bgleeson> hfp: that koans test is not something you'd test for in the real world
<hfp> r0bgleeson: You never test for symbols in the real world?
<r0bgleeson> hfp: eql?() infers its meaning from the class, and .equal?() compares object identity(is it the same object)
<r0bgleeson> hfp: not like that, no, i wouldn't test if they had been created or not
<hfp> Right, but I'd still like to know for curiosity's sake, doing `lalalala.eql?(:baz)`, will it be similar to our previous case? i.e. it will create the baz symbol?
<r0bgleeson> we've already discovered that symbol's are allocated at parse time or somewhere before runtime.
<hfp> Yes
<r0bgleeson> so, if you reference :baz and to test for the existence of ':baz' through ruby defining a method, then it would be flawed yeah
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<hfp> Got it, thanks
<r0bgleeson> cool
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<Senjai> :q
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<bahar> hey ruby guys, i'm going through an euler problem, and i'm not done with one of my answers, but it keeps giving me errors, wrong number of arguments (0 for 1) and i'm just doing a simple until loop... any ideas? https://gist.github.com/wasafiri/785fab5e2ec887f65fe4
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<Alpha492> Anyone have a second to help me out getting talib working on ruby?
<bahar> i'm a n00b, sorry, ignore me
<Alpha492> lol
<Alpha492> me2
<Alpha492> just starting programming maybe 1-1/2 years ago
<Alpha492> hard thing to learn w/o taking a class or something, seems like I get hung up on a lot of stuff that should be simple
<Alpha492> but w/e anyone around to point out the dumb crap your messing up I get stuck on the same problems for weeks
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<bahar> exactly
<MouseTheLuckyDog> I've got a 1/4G file that I wish to process using ruby. How can I process one line at a time instead of reaslines, which reads in the whole file?
<MouseTheLuckyDog> s/reaslines/readlines/
<Alpha492> bahar: If your interesting, we have a channel running (#cryptoforex) w/ alot of programmers working in alot of different languages
<Alpha492> most of them are very helpful and friendly although none of them work in ruby unfortunately
<Alpha492> i'm the only one :(
<Alpha492> Most of us are working on bitcoin trading bots such and such
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<bahar> Alpha492 interesting! only one ruby guy?
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<Alpha492> yeah lol, just me unfortunately
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<sent-hil> what's ability to expland 1...3 called?
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<elliotec> what?
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<rue__> A range?
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<sent-hil> rue__: thanks
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<Guest21144> Hi I'm a noob and I need some help. Here is my code https://gist.github.com/mariusavram91/8759276
<Guest21144> For a continuous command like ping it doesn't send the output to the websocket client immediately it just stores it in the buffer, how could I send each line? thanks!
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<certainty> without knowing how em-websocket works. I assume it uses line buffering? so either delimit it with a newline or if that's not feasable just flush? i may be talking complet bullshit :D
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<Guest21144> certainty thank for the answer
<Guest21144> I've also tried: PTY.spawn( "ping www.google.com -c 50 2>&1" ) do |r, w, pid|
<Guest21144> and then r.each { |line| ws.send line;}
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<Guest21144> with $stdout.sync = true, but it doesn't send anything, if instead of ws.send I use puts line it prints each line correctly
<certainty> Guest21144: i assume you need to tell websockets to flush the buffer. There may be a method for this
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<cyb3rc0de> when will ruby 2.2 be released? I heard rumours in february 2k14
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<cyb3rc0de> guys?
<r0bgleeson> what is '2k14'?
<cyb3rc0de> 2014
<r0bgleeson> i think 2.1.1 will happen first.
<cyb3rc0de> when?
<r0bgleeson> no idea when though, probably soon(?).
<cyb3rc0de> I heard some people talks how new version of ruby will be released this February
<r0bgleeson> that could be 2.1.1, yeah, i haven't been following that closely.
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<cyb3rc0de> well thanks then :D Ruby 2.0 is really bad for windows, since ppl cant build it
<apeiros> cyb3rc0de: it's somewhat ridiculous to "shorten" 2014 to 2k14, given that it's exactly the same length…
<cyb3rc0de> still its more cool :D
<r0bgleeson> cyb3rc0de: did you check out, http://rubyinstaller.org/downloads/ ?
<cyb3rc0de> yes
<r0bgleeson> that has a 2(not 2.1) build
<apeiros> if you treat cool and stupid as synonyms, sure
<cyb3rc0de> but i want latest ruby
<r0bgleeson> i see
<r0bgleeson> not too sure about windows options
<apeiros> minors are now planned yearly, around december
<cyb3rc0de> as you can see here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rubyinstaller/8Je3OEbtb3w people have problems building binaries for ruby 2.1
<apeiros> so 2.2 is to be expected dec, 2014
<cyb3rc0de> thats usefull info thanks :D
<cyb3rc0de> 2.1 is out already?
<apeiros> yes, for one month now
<apeiros> see topic
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<cyb3rc0de> thats nice, howsoever its not going to come for windows. Heres why: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rubyinstaller/8Je3OEbtb3w
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<cyb3rc0de> this is really sad cuz i want to use ruby on my windows :C
<apeiros> cyb3rc0de: just use jruby
<r0bgleeson> cyb3rc0de: it sounds like people who work on ruby don't have much time to make sure it works as good as it should on windows.
<r0bgleeson> yeah, maybe try jruby
<cyb3rc0de> jruby is on 1.9.3, but im trying to get most latest and stable as i can
<cyb3rc0de> which is not case with 1.9.x
<r0bgleeson> sorry, just http://www.jruby.org
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<r0bgleeson> jruby should support some of 2.0 already
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<r0bgleeson> you could use MRI version ruby2 as well.
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<apeiros> afaik, jruby will soon release 2.0/2.1 support
<cyb3rc0de> thats nice then :)
<cyb3rc0de> thanks all :D I hope some stuff can be fixed for official ruby ;)
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<heavyhorse> I'm changing a single file classic-style sinatra app to a modular rack-based application and I'm running in to this error...
<heavyhorse> Unexpected error while processing request: Body yielded non-string value ["id", 21150090]
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<apeiros> and you need help with what part there?
<apeiros> or: was that a question?
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<r0bgleeson> heavyhorse: somewhere, you're returning something like [200, {'Content-Type' => 'blah'}, ["id", 21150090]] would be my guess.
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<heavyhorse> I'm taking a closer look now
<heavyhorse> what is bugging me is that the app works fine when run as a single process (classic)
<r0bgleeson> can you show code?
<heavyhorse> sure
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<r0bgleeson> i can't see why that would cause that error. could you paste the entire backtrace, how you ran the script, etc?
<heavyhorse> yep 1 sec
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<heavyhorse> i feel like I'm making some foolish mistake
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<heavyhorse> for me, this is a learning exercise. but I might need to try a different OAuth gem
<heavyhorse> but the error doesn't appear to be with the gem
<heavyhorse> what I do know, is that 2 requests are happening (lines 60 and 61)
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<r0bgleeson> heavyhorse: that is a different backtrace than the first one
<r0bgleeson> OAuth::Unauthorized - 401 Unauthorized:
<heavyhorse> is that normal?
<heavyhorse> they are 00:00:01 apart
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<r0bgleeson> is what normal? different exceptions? well, i don't know. it looks like something in your config is now wrong, or you have fixed the previous error and now encounter this one.
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<heavyhorse> i was just wondering if something was obviously abnormal about my code
<heavyhorse> but I think you're right, that it is a config problem
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<heavyhorse> thanks for taking a look though. I appreciate that
<r0bgleeson> i can't see anything wrong inside your code, nope
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<hfp_> Hi
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<heavyhorse> r0bgleeson: I solved my problems!!
* centrx claps
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<heavyhorse> thank you
<heavyhorse> i couldn't have done it without you
<heavyhorse> now I'm going to work backwards and figure out exactly what went wrong
<r0bgleeson> cool
<r0bgleeson> youre welcome
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<perry> can Mechanize/nokogiri be used with Rubinius?
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<apeiros> perry: install it and try?
<r0bgleeson> perry: it should yeah, if it doesn't it'd be a bug that rubinius would fix.
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<r0bgleeson> i heard of people using nokogiri on rubinius a few days ago, maybe yorickpeterse
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<yorickpeterse> except for some random segfaults Nokogiri works fine on Rbx
<nifoc> perry: nokogiri (should) support rbx since version 1.4.1
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<Lewix> hi all
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<perry> nice, thanks all
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<zenspider> heh. "except for some random segfaults X works fine" == "doesn't work fine"
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