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<DocScrutinizer05> poor marketing
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<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: for all i know, he may just be selling off old stuff he has laying around
<wpwrak> xiangfu: are you still in touch with wolfgang ? if yes, you may want to poke him about his plans for the ben stock. there seems to be small but continuous demand and it would be a shame if that source dried up. (which is pretty much about to do, with sharism.cc going down)
<DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
<DocScrutinizer05> MOTD: >>When Dennis Ritchie was asked what he would do diffrerently regarding the birth of Unix, he said "I would put a 'e' in /tmp"<<
<wpwrak> i thought the "e" was for the "creat" system call ?
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<wpwrak> /tmp sounds perfect to me. it's something you type relatively often. every character counts. if Wirth had written Unix, it would probably be named /t
<DocScrutinizer05> ??
<DocScrutinizer05> Wirth not known to use extremely short tokens or keywords?
<DocScrutinizer05> compare the average pascal or modula source to a c source
<DocScrutinizer05> s/known/notorious/
<wpwrak> his languages are very chatty but he used very short identifiers. at ETH, we called it "WNF", "Wirth'sche NormalForm": the set of identifiers that gives each the shortest possible form without name collisions.
<wpwrak> maybe it's because pascal programmers expend all their energy on typing the tedious redundancy of their language that they're too exhausted to choose nice identifiers :)
<whitequark> better use APL
<wpwrak> that's definitely a step in the right direction. just wish is was compatible with ASCII, not Extended Sumerian
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<whitequark> or in J: quicksort=: (($:@(<#[), (=#[), $:@(>#[)) ({~ ?@#)) ^: (1<#)
<wpwrak> niiice :)
<whitequark> so
<whitequark> I don't think you wish :D
<wpwrak> hmm yes, as a general rule, any language in which syntax errors are possible contains some redundancy. and these matching parentheses look very suspicious in that regard.
<wpwrak> but i think they're on the right track :)
<sanderr> wpwrak: You're the one on the parentheses quest. :)
<whitequark> haha
<DocScrutinizer05> I adore the redundance of pascal/modula
<DocScrutinizer05> it serves a purpose, and makes source way more digestible
<DocScrutinizer05> redundancy*
<DocScrutinizer05> if ((a==b)==true)
<DocScrutinizer05> (^for the parantheses)
<DocScrutinizer05> I love those dudes that do bool B; if (B == true)
<DocScrutinizer05> you see that at least once per week
<DocScrutinizer05> once per hours when in any educational entity
<whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: using uninitialized vars?
<DocScrutinizer05> nah, I posted the summary
<DocScrutinizer05> I've intentionally not used if (bool B == true)
<whitequark> wait, is that pascal code?
<DocScrutinizer05> for sure not
<DocScrutinizer05> it's incorrect c code I guess
<DocScrutinizer05> in pascal no inline var definitions
<DocScrutinizer05> in pascal you got a clean "var" section, and only there you may define vars. Same for "const"
<DocScrutinizer05> luckily in modula you can have as many of them as you like
<DocScrutinizer05> in any sequence, or even at any location iirc, as long as they are before the first usage of that var/const
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<wpwrak> kewl :) how do the same for fork and knife
<wpwrak> and then, the great challenge, introduce skull-themed eating gloves, for that finger food
<wpwrak> may also make some beer mugs with a thumb up :)
<lekernel> goth teens will love this
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: ping
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<wpwrak> bong
<roh> fish
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<larsc> "Drinking tea may harm you or the persons in your surroundings"
<DocScrutinizer05> breathing may pollute the environment?
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<eintopf> tea <3
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<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/sw-spdt-smt.fpd: draw complete outline of case (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/e15d2b5
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/usb_a_rcpt_smt.fpd: USB A receptacle (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/bcb5563
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: genkicat/pdf.c (make_pdf): set paper size to A4 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/6bfd9d9