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<wolfspraul> should we auto-build all packages with debug info on?
<dvdk> remote debugging code in shared libraries is horribly difficult
<wolfspraul> why do we have a buildhost :-)
<dvdk> wolfspraul: not sure where the build binaries *with* debug info are kept. just in the build-directory, i.e. outside staging etc. would have to keep that.
<wolfspraul> ok we need to look into that
<dvdk> (i guess)
<wolfspraul> it's been too long where a crash is like end-of-world situation on the Ben
<dvdk> i get the feeling that our accelerated video driver is somehow miscompiled and failing at the dynamic loading level (after some parts of it code already running)
<dvdk> uhh, why do i have a uclibc 0.9.33 on my ben, when openwrt-xburst staging dir is named "target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.32" !?!?!@
<dvdk> i hate it.
<dvdk> did we upgrade/downgrade recently?
<wolfspraul> yes I think so
<wolfspraul> going with openwrt upstream defaults I think, nothing intentional on our end afaik
<dvdk> hmm, that may explain any segfaults
<dvdk> (?)
<dvdk> git branch, and another recompile :/
<dvdk> oh nice, releases are branches, not tags, so I can still commit to them :)
<dvdk> no, doesn't seem to help. doing 'make toolchain/{clean,compile}', i see that it now builds 'toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.6-linaro_uClibc-0.9.32'
<dvdk> so ruined my build system for nothing
<wolfspraul> hmm
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<dvdk> going to drop a mail to the list and call it a day. maybe next release-build by xiangfu is going to magically result in a working mplayer :)
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> thanks a lot for your help!
<wolfspraul> n8
<dvdk> last minute update: it's Git again. didn't actually checkout a branch, but made my own.
<dvdk> the typical bug-report mail solves itself just before hitting the send button :)
<dvdk> ok, so doing the proper git branch -t release_2012-03-18 origin/release_2012-03-18' doesn't help. still 0.9.32 uclibc
<dvdk> trying to update my feeds.conf to the one used for the 03-18 release
<dvdk> n8
<wolfspraul> n8
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<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: removed XTAL-4 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0dbeea0
<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: recorded/added libraries (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/77a3a71
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote-files: config.debug enable CONFIG_ALL for compile all packages (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2f7f9bf
<pabs3> DocScrutinizer: coreboot is much less than a BIOS, its just enough code bring hardware up enough to jump into Linux (or a BIOS or whatever)
<kristianpaul> oh cool
<kristianpaul> btw what's a nanonote image that have nanomap working? i want a lot demo that this next week to OSM comunity at ecuador
<wolfspraul> nanomap dropped out recently, and I haven't seen the author in a long time
<wolfspraul> maybe he doesn't care about the nanonote build much anymore, don't know
<kristianpaul> droppped in wich sense?
<kristianpaul> ahhh :(
<xiangfu> kristianpaul, it's back.
<xiangfu> but I don't have time release that yet.
<kristianpaul> np, i just need a old working image
<kristianpaul> may be dont care because dont know.. who knows
<kristianpaul> argh, also is not a crazy place whos streets are named y names and not numbers !! :-|
<xiangfu> kristianpaul, if you want install the NanoMap. map data. you needs update the /etc/opkg.conf to : http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/2011-11-13/
<kristianpaul> ah yes
<kristianpaul> thats fast than reflash, isnt?
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: that is all so painful to read, no?
<wolfspraul> [the microcell article]
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: yeah a bit..
<wolfspraul> a disgrace actually, but open hardware will come to rescue eventually :-)
<wolfspraul> stupid tamper protection that only protects from the average at&t manager
<xiangfu> wolfspraul, do you think I should send one email about this build 'Tested Image (Build 2012-04-02)' to qi mailing list?
<wolfspraul> random gps system to limit usage to regions defined by at&t
<wolfspraul> gpl violations all over most likely
<wolfspraul> 100% root backdoor left open out of incompetence
<wolfspraul> and so on and so on
<wolfspraul> and that is at&t!
<wolfspraul> oh well :-)
<kristianpaul> he, yeah that tamper is anoying
<wolfspraul> the whole thing is wrong from a to z
<wolfspraul> but anyway, rather than ranting we focus on making better stuff
<wolfspraul> shouldn't be that hard once we get a few more pieces in place :-)
<wolfspraul> in fact it will be a piece of cake to be better than this, for anyone interested in quality hard & software
<kristianpaul> perhaps we can find a cheap traceiver somewhere else..
<wolfspraul> tranceiver for what?
<kristianpaul> dunno, just thinking about a rtl-sdr like device wich similar freq but for TX
<kristianpaul> that for me is the goal of osmo-sdr
<wolfspraul> which radio protocol?
<kristianpaul> but just thinking of course :)
<kristianpaul> you mean modulation?
<kristianpaul> i dont have a radio protocol in mind to be honest
<wpwrak> GPS ? ;-)
<kristianpaul> for TX ?
<kristianpaul> not yet tought ;)
<wpwrak> here's a fun experiment: set up a GPS receiver at location X. transmit (over the Internet) what it receives to location Y. at Y, send it on the air. watch :)
<wpwrak> that's probably how the iranis got themselves a US drone
<kristianpaul> haha
<wpwrak> (well, the general approach. not precisely the same setup.)
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<wpwrak> just milled my first piece of acrylic. that stuff is amazing. precise cuts, good feed rate, and it's fairly robust. lightyears ahead of wood of MDF.
<wpwrak> s/of M/or M
<qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "just milled my first piece of acrylic. that stuff is amazing. precise cuts, good feed rate, and it's fairly robust. lightyears ahead of wood or MDF."
<wolfspraul> nice
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<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added LP38511TJ-ADJ, LP38690DT-xx, TPS763xx into ti.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/9a4745f
<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added pptc.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/40411fb
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<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: about radios, I found this article digging into some of the radio architecture of the ipad quite interesting http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/technology-blog/2012/03/new-ipad-lte3g/
<wolfspraul> I both believe that radio will be the breakthrough feature for open hardware, and that we have to be very selective and careful in how we implement it
<wolfspraul> on one hand we need very high performance chips on the front-end
<wolfspraul> on the other hand we must not be dragged down by giant and moving targets that only benefit those that can quickly invest and recoup billions of USD
<wolfspraul> still learning in this sector, as you know I believe in the GPS baseband work you do, and in the 802.15.4 wpan stuff. beyond that it's all learning and thinking for me right now :-)
<wolfspraul> a true p2p network that can scale to the world would be cool
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<wolfspraul> so if I read the ipad article correctly, the baseband/dsp chips are from qualcomm (rtr8600, pm8028, mdm9600), broadcom wifi, and switches and power amplifiers from Murata, Peregrine, TriQuint, Avago and Skyworks
<wolfspraul> I have only the best memories of Murata, too bad we weren't then and still are not ready now to directly co-work with them. they offered credible and serious support, really nice folks.
<wolfspraul> I think my homework is to understand better what kind of chips those switch/pa companies are coming out with, and what might allow us to make really interesting radios
<wolfspraul> and of course which of their chips have somewhat good open datasheets, are easily sourcable, etc.
<wolfspraul> Murata, Peregrine, TriQuint, Avago, Skyworks. Piece of cake to get overview there, no? :-)
<wolfspraul> that's roughly my current approach, but I am very much learning-by-doing
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<xakh> long story short
<xakh> my nanonote is in a pile on the floor
<xakh> I took my nanonote apart because the LCD didn't show when it booted
<xakh> xiangfu you know how to fix the hardware?
<xakh> wolfspraul any ideas? I know you and xiang know the workings of this thing, I have pictures I'm uploading shortly.
<xakh> well, I know the inside
<xiangfu> xakh, more infor: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=504
<xakh> it's splayed in front of me, I'm asking, how do I put it back together?
<xiangfu> xakh, if the LCD cable broken. then it's hard to fix. have to replease the cable.
<xakh> well, I don't know if it is
<xakh> that's why I'm uploading a series of pictures
<xakh> I don't have the capability to transfer them from my phone to my computer, so I'm emailing them, it may take a few minutes
<xiangfu> ok
<xakh> okay, found my transfer cable because that was taking forever, so now I'm uploading to imgur
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<xakh> Okay!
<xakh> xiangfu do you see any problems, and if so, how to I put this back together?
<xakh> *if not
<xakh> wolfspraul maybe you do?
<xakh> xiangfu are you still there?
<wolfspraul> wow those pictures look bad :-) what do you try to tell us withi those pics?
<wolfspraul> you need to reassemble your ben the way you disassembled it, hopefully nothing broke or will break in the process
<wolfspraul> there is a connector on the mainboard where the fpc from the screen comes in, that is sometimes worth reseating. but it seems you took the whole device apart :-)
<xakh> okay
<xakh> how do I reseat it?
<xakh> yeah, I'm kind of old fashioned with stuff
<xakh> take the whole thing apart if you wanna see what's wrong with it
<xakh> so the only real problem was it didn't seem the LCD was coming on
<xakh> when I charged it, the red light would turn on, so I figured it was still working somewhat
<xakh> but nothing else in the Ben actually turns on when it boots, so I have no idea how to tell if it works
<wolfspraul> when you boot it (long press of power button), and then connect the usb cable to your notebook, do you see a new usb device appearing on your notebook?
<xakh> well, not now
<xakh> I think I did
<wolfspraul> that's how you can verify whether the ben is running without needing a screen on the ben
<wolfspraul> put it all back together first
<xakh> okay, how do I... do that?
<xakh> this graphite button fell out
<xakh> and I have no idea where it goes
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<wolfspraul> graphite button? there is a tiny one on the side as a LED light guide of sorts, you mean that?
<wolfspraul> you were creative when taking the device apart (otherwise it's certainly broken now), just use the same creativity to put it back together
<wolfspraul> typically taking apart (without breaking) is harder than putting back together
<wolfspraul> so relax
<wolfspraul> one by one, and there's a good chance it will come back up :-)
<wolfspraul> no rush!
<xakh> haha
<xakh> well, no the button that fell wasn't clear
<xakh> it was black, with a rubber side and a black side
<xiangfu> xakh, you mean the keyboard ?
<xakh> no no no, it's just one button
<xiangfu> xakh, oh. you mean the reset rubber button.
<xakh> it was inside it?
<xiangfu> xakh, yes. the reset rubber button inside the case
<xakh> okay
<xakh> the LCD ribbon is twisted over itself
<xakh> is that okay?
<wolfspraul> inside the hinge is makes a turn, yes
<wolfspraul> but I have no idea what state of things you look at now - your pics are scary :-)
<xakh> hahaha
<xakh> okay, my hands aren't too steady, so my friend is plugging it back in
<xakh> okay
<xakh> which end of the ribbon is face down?
<xakh> is it the brass that faces the logic board or the plastic end?
<wolfspraul> don't know, but the contacts probably face down (towards the logic board)
<wolfspraul> the lcm cable is soldered on the lcm side, and connected with a connector on the mainboard side
<wolfspraul> so: if more than 1 side is loose, it's definitely ripped off and broken :-)
<xakh> nothing's loose, I'm just asking which side to plug in
<wolfspraul> there is only 1 cable coming from the lcm, and it needs to go into the 1 connector on the mainboard
<xakh> right
<xakh> it has a little leg though
<xakh> it doesn't seem to connect to anything?
<wolfspraul> right
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<xakh> okay, what button do I push to USB boot?
<wolfspraul> if u-boot is still there, just press u and then power-on
<xakh> xiangfu it says there's an ethernet object in it before I turn it on even
<xakh> Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0525:a4a1 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet Gad
<xakh> get
<xakh> is that right?
<wolfspraul> that's your ben
<xakh> wolfspraul is it supposed to read as that?
<xakh> so that's right, and the screen is just messed up?
<xakh> okay
<xakh> so should I reseat the screen on the LCD side?
<xakh> or is there a way to do that?
<xakh> wolfspraul I know I'm probably bothering you
<wolfspraul> not at all
<wolfspraul> even though I feel we need a little luck to get your ben back to where you want it
<wolfspraul> no you cannot fix or reset anything on the lcd side, it's soldered there
<wolfspraul> is your screen showing anything now?
<xakh> no it is not
<xakh> it just comes up on watch lsusb
<xakh> I do have a soldering iron
<xakh> so if push comes to shove, I might be able to fix it that way?
<wolfspraul> the analysis is too random for me
<wolfspraul> if you really want to go down that way you may want to look into the kernel on the ben and see whether there are any clues in the lcm driver
<wolfspraul> you can use a scope to measure signals on the wires to the lcm
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<xakh> wooops
<xakh> okay
<xakh> what is a scope in this case?
<wolfspraul> you use it to measure the electrons that are flowing through the wires going to the lcm
<wolfspraul> the scope can tell you what's going on on each wire
<xakh> I'm not sure what a "scope" is
<xakh> I have a small voltmeter, as far as electrical components are concerned
<xakh> where do I get one of those?!
<xakh> wolfspraul is there something else I can do?
<xakh> can I replace the LCD?
<wolfspraul> are you sure the connection of the lcm fpc cable to your mainboard is seated well?
<wolfspraul> no, not really
<wolfspraul> plus we don't know what the problem is
<xakh> hmm
<wolfspraul> can you try to take a picture of the lcm cable connection on the mainboard?
<wolfspraul> but maybe a little better quality than the earlier ones - in focus etc.?
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<xakh> OKAY
<xakh> wolfspraul sorry, tether died
<xakh> okay, I got the image
<xakh> wolfspraul you still there?
<xakh> wolfspraul sorry if I'm a bit on edge, it's 4 in the morning here, so I'm just wondering
<wolfspraul> get some sleep first
<wolfspraul> I'm back in a bit..
<wolfspraul> thanks for trying to bring your ben back to life fully ;-)
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<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added MT46V32M16P in micron.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/082adc5
<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added JS28F256J3F105 into micron.lib, added pptc.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/76d5cfc
<qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added 67298-4090 USB CONN RECEPT USB STACKED R/A WHT HORIZONTAL THROUGH HOLE into molex.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/f26dac0
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* kristianpaul click
<kristianpaul> your approach of course make lot of sense!
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<abushcrafterforg> I got a geeks phone zero for £60 or £70 off ebay. I gave in. I thought I could disable all the non-free rubbish and have a 700mhz pocket computer which has a vibrator.
<abushcrafterforg> Then I lean or relean that on matter what I do it will always be a citzen servlalence device and the app to control root permissions for apps is proprietary and I can't fine control the compression of the video with out a non-free app thought the cam driver is non-free any way
<abushcrafterforg> and with other smaller problems like no control of audio compression, text entry is not easy (So I can't do quick notes.) I am coming to the conclusion that I would be happier with a Nano Note.
<abushcrafterforg> So didn't you say something about a new model? :) with usb host,etc?
<abushcrafterforg> recently
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<whitequark> pabs3: sup
<whitequark> abushcrafterforg: if you already have root permissions, you basically pwned your phone
<whitequark> replace the app with SUID'd su
<whitequark> if it has a patched kernel with their own ACL, find a local privilege escalation exploit (there's a plenty of them, as the kernel is likely to be outdated) and it'd be gone
<whitequark> abushcrafterforg: their promise to free you from ties to operator is particularly hilarious (in some sense)
<whitequark> e.g. here in Russia each and every (well, maybe 99% of them. doesn't differ much) phone is sold unlocked
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<abushcrafterforg> It's a geeksphone so I get root by default and support and hardware warranty. By "su" you mean the in terminal "su" command? I am not aware of a root permissions GUI. I have had look at everything in the F-Droid repo/store and google market
<abushcrafterforg> empathy does not like long posts.
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<kristianpaul> there are source for schametics layouts and case for this geeksphone=
<kristianpaul> s=/?
<kristianpaul> s/=/?
<whitequark> abushcrafterforg: then what do you mean by "app to control root permissions is nonfree"?
<qi-bot> kristianpaul meant: "s?/?"
<kristianpaul> argh
<whitequark> abushcrafterforg: get root. install busybox. get rid of nonfree shit.
<abushcrafterforg> I don't think so. It's a of the self desgin
<abushcrafterforg> I have busybox they use cygron mod
<abushcrafterforg> and I have start off with deleting market and its drm :)
<abushcrafterforg> started
<whitequark> flash cyanogenmod to it
<abushcrafterforg> it all ready has it
<whitequark> then I think that all the apps in it, except for maybe ROM Manager, are already FOSS
<whitequark> or just OSS
<abushcrafterforg> the official rom is cyanogenmod but with the google rubbish. I think the official rom had some fixs
<abushcrafterforg> superuser is the non-free root permissions app.
<abushcrafterforg> gui
<abushcrafterforg> self = shelf
<abushcrafterforg> though if plain cyanogenmod works then that would be easier.
<abushcrafterforg> should get around to finding out.
<abushcrafterforg> right must go and walk dog be back in 30 mins
<whitequark> abushcrafterforg: I believe that superuser is FOSS
<abushcrafterforg> where does it say that
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<whitequark> well maybe not
<whitequark> then install this: https://code.google.com/p/superuser/
<whitequark> it os
<whitequark> (is
<LunaVorax> Good evening everyone!
<kristianpaul> evening
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<abushcrafterforg> thanks what were your search terms
<abushcrafterforg> ?
<abushcrafterforg> ello lun
<LunaVorax> ello abu
<LunaVorax> :P
<abushcrafterforg> :)
<abushcrafterforg> Hello LunaVorax. :)
<whitequark> abushcrafterforg: /join #cyanogenmod
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<abushcrafterforg> /join #cyanogenmod
<abushcrafterforg> thats empathy for you
<whitequark> huh?
<abushcrafterforg> gnome IM
<abushcrafterforg> has gnome features but lacks other features and does not like long posts
<whitequark> it's probably irc which has limit on line length
<whitequark> or freenode
<GNUtoo> kristianpaul, geeksphone one is qualcomm!!!
<GNUtoo> kristianpaul, that makes it as bad as the htc dream
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<kristianpaul> GNUtoo: ah !
<kristianpaul> but
<kristianpaul> if the release all source we get happy ;)
<abushcrafterforg> no its that I can't see what I am writing.
<kristianpaul> GNUtoo: so still OM phone beat the geek one i guess
<abushcrafterforg> ?
<GNUtoo> kristianpaul, first they don't release all the source code
<abushcrafterforg> yes qualcomm evil grrr
<GNUtoo> second, the modem controls way too much
<abushcrafterforg> now to switch too Instant Bird
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<abushcrafterfor1> thats better
<abushcrafterfor1> I wish I knew it's a spy device no matter what you do before I shide (can't spell) and said yes to dad. Maybe I had read before and forgot. Oh the cruse of it being cheaper at £60 or £70 :(
<GNUtoo> altough paulk wants to do the gta04 first
<abushcrafterfor1> any way I am not enjoying android. now to join #cyanogenmod and see what I can do to improve my citizen spy device a bit
<GNUtoo> what device do you have?
<abushcrafterfor1> Would ravar have gta04 but I don't have the money :(. maybe one day:)
<GNUtoo> a galaxy S is cheap
<GNUtoo> like between 150 and 200E
<GNUtoo> so wait for it to be supported
<GNUtoo> and once it's supported buy it
<viric> gta04 is the name of a phone?
<abushcrafterfor1> new version of board
<abushcrafterfor1> smasung pay m$
<abushcrafterfor1> £or was it $ 15 per phone
<GNUtoo> why is that important? your freedom is more important than theses consideratiions
<GNUtoo> viric, yes
<abushcrafterfor1> I know. I am stressed about it already.
<viric> abush: why do you want a fancy phone?
<abushcrafterfor1> m$ of couse try to take away your freedom even when you don't use winloss
<abushcrafterfor1> viric: read the log
<GNUtoo> viric, let me explain in simple words
<abushcrafterfor1> Ibut I will post again
<GNUtoo> viric, are you aware that most non-free software spies or can spy?
<viric> Yes.
<GNUtoo> now knowing that, you may want free software controlling your phone because it would control the GPS, the microphone and such things
<viric> for positioning, clear. tracking...
<GNUtoo> now, to make that possible you need special hardware with a modem that is "isolated"
<viric> and for the microphone, you could add some switch to it
<GNUtoo> idealy the switch can be software
<GNUtoo> like the main cpu(running replicant or SHR) controlling the switch
<viric> ah, freedom and confort?
<viric> comfort
<GNUtoo> yes(if running replicant on a phone that is ok, like the nexus S)
<abushcrafterfor1> can you add a switch to the GPS. It could talk to the gps right, the firmware stuff in the chip?
<abushcrafterfor1> the can you is sarcastic
<GNUtoo> basically the ideal phone has the following caracteristic:
<viric> I don't have any gps
<GNUtoo> * an isolated modem
<GNUtoo> * only free software running on the main CPU(including bootloader etc...)
<GNUtoo> the nexus S isn't that far from that
<GNUtoo> it has the isolated modem
<GNUtoo> but it has a non-free signed bootloader
<GNUtoo> (and also has some non-free wifi+bluetooth firmwares)
<abushcrafterfor1> geeksphone was £60 or was it £70 on evilbay }:|. I thought I could at least remove the non-free software so I have a 700mhz pocket computer with a vibrator unlike the Nano Note but then I (re?)lean that no matter what I do it will always be a citizen spy device due to evilware in the SOC! :(
<GNUtoo> unless you're very good at reverse engineering and low level stuff
<abushcrafterfor1> so in the end. its a disaster
<GNUtoo> yes
<GNUtoo> are you very good in C and low level?
<abushcrafterfor1> well I could always blow it up with gunpowder :D
<abushcrafterfor1> I have some :)
<abushcrafterfor1> but I can't afford that
<GNUtoo> the first thing to do is to get rid of the proprietary libraries
<GNUtoo> it's doable
<abushcrafterfor1> Thats what I made a start on
<GNUtoo> then you'll need to go deeper in the modem
<abushcrafterfor1> bye bye drm
<GNUtoo> since it's a shared memory you could look into the modem's memory
<abushcrafterfor1> I can't go that deep. Big newbie with no time
<GNUtoo> and the countrary is valid too, the modem can look in the CPU memory
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> lovey
<GNUtoo> then maybe get another phone
<abushcrafterfor1> dad was not too keen on selling it (to some sucker). I guess he will have it. He don't care.
<GNUtoo> a second hand galaxy S is not that expensive in europe, I don't know in countries like latin america where they have huges taxes on electronic devices comming from abroad
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> but no money for nano note
<GNUtoo> I've no nanote either(I've already too much devices)
<abushcrafterfor1> which I think is what I really would like.
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> getting fed up with android design desions. I guess I will have to make do and remove the battery :D
<abushcrafterfor1> remove the battery a lot
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> how sad
<GNUtoo> at least you are aware for the next phone....
<abushcrafterfor1> yep
<abushcrafterfor1> and I thought I knew, I had done the searching. darn memory. I didn't know all of what you lot have pointed out to me though. leaned some more :)
<abushcrafterfor1> a trouble with Samsung is you lose your hardware warranty.
<abushcrafterfor1> can't connect to #cyanogenmod hmm
<GNUtoo> maybe you need to be registered on freenode for connecting on #cyanogenmod
<abushcrafterfor1> I am
<abushcrafterfor1> I forgot my password :D need to reset it
<GNUtoo> but note that while cyanogenmod hate proprietary stuff, its users usually don't care about freedom and attack you on IRC if you do
<GNUtoo> (its devs sometime reverse stuff because it's too hard to make the proprietary lib work)
<abushcrafterfor1> oh no not more open sourcers
<abushcrafterfor1> my brain now auto corrects things like linux to gnu/linux. I am now finding I have to go back and correct my self on articles about the kenal linux
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> I digress
<mth> Android is not a GNU system though, I think; at least it has its own libc
<abushcrafterfor1> I know
<GNUtoo> as RMS says it "it has very little of GNU" or something like that
<abushcrafterfor1> Are you compiling mplayer with the OSD menu enabled?
* GNUtoo doesn't have a nanote....
<abushcrafterfor1> are you = all people. Sorry not so good at quickly writing non rubbish.
<GNUtoo> but I use OSD for mplayer
<GNUtoo> like on freerunner
<lindi-> GNUtoo: rms does not use phones afaik so I wouldn't trust his analysis on that :)
<abushcrafterfor1> takes me ages to write something decent and to do it properly properly
<lindi-> but I've looked at android sdk to get at least some kind of overview of what's going on
<GNUtoo> lindi-, he was well informed(by me)
<abushcrafterfor1> lol
<abushcrafterfor1> I have based my menu on um geexbox
<abushcrafterfor1> need to put on internet. though it's not finished.
<abushcrafterfor1> one year
<abushcrafterfor1> :)
<GNUtoo> gitorious?
<abushcrafterfor1> the FS one I was thinking
<abushcrafterfor1> i forget name
<GNUtoo> ok
<GNUtoo> savanah?
<abushcrafterfor1> yep
<abushcrafterfor1> but if you want it now I could see about a quick dump.
<abushcrafterfor1> You could get it off my using filetea.me i think thats the address
<abushcrafterfor1> html5 p2p file transfer
<abushcrafterfor1> cool stuff
<GNUtoo> hmm what is it for exactly? a menu for the nanonote
<GNUtoo> because I've no nanote
<abushcrafterfor1> not just for nano note
<abushcrafterfor1> It works very well on low res screens
<abushcrafterfor1> large low res
<GNUtoo> ok
<GNUtoo> do you have screenshots?
<GNUtoo> is it based on the efl? gtk?
<abushcrafterfor1> I was devolping it when I used puppy
<abushcrafterfor1> no gtk
<abushcrafterfor1> Might more in frame buffer. I don't know
<abushcrafterfor1> more = work
<GNUtoo> what's puppy? a GNU/Linux distribution?
<abushcrafterfor1> its displayed on top of the video. like subtitles
<abushcrafterfor1> yep
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> a non-free one
<abushcrafterfor1> it was to much mork update app manualy
<GNUtoo> so....what was the toolkit name?
<abushcrafterfor1> I don't think it has one
<GNUtoo> and what distro do you use on your nanonote if you have one, openwrt? or jlime?
<abushcrafterfor1> man mplayer
<abushcrafterfor1> no idea.
<GNUtoo> I know a bit mplayer
<GNUtoo> but I usually develop stuff using the slave protocol
<abushcrafterfor1> oh the osd menu is not very well documented.
<abushcrafterfor1> bash me
<abushcrafterfor1> lol
<GNUtoo> ok
<abushcrafterfor1> I see what can done with bash thanks to puppy
<GNUtoo> but I never needed the OSD menu
<GNUtoo> I made stuff like a radio application
<abushcrafterfor1> its very quick
<GNUtoo> in the tray bar
<GNUtoo> that doesn't require osd at all
<abushcrafterfor1> or right
<GNUtoo> I don't know if I published it but it's very specific and hardcoded
<GNUtoo> like radio addresses are hardcoded in the python program
<kristianpaul> GNUtoo, should have a nanonote ;-) !
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<abushcrafterfor1> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=geexbox+1.&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=drc&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1066&bih=1049&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=memgIYa7qm0UHM:&imgrefurl=http://www.instantfundas.com/2008/12/how-to-play-movies-on-your-pc-like-dvd.html&docid=2ny9HsT5KPOKaM&imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_S0f-AWxKVdM/STUWF8fEtrI/AAAAAAAADvs/tzEASNw3I-I/geexbox-menu%25255B1%25255D.jpg&w=512&h=384&ei=5S5-T9yuMsL80QXo1NSIDg&zoom=1&iact=hc&
<abushcrafterfor1> darn he's left
<abushcrafterfor1> for the logs: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=geexbox+1.&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Qrc&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=2C5-T7DpH6jA0QXcy-SdDg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1066&bih=1049
<abushcrafterfor1> or = oh
<abushcrafterfor1> My scripts use mplayer's slave a bit.