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<wolfspraul>
the boundary is where something works best
<DocScrutinizer51>
I think 'our own chipfab' is at least a factor 10E3 too huge a chunk for any community to bite and chew
<wolfspraul>
in other words - if a chipmaker (designer or foundry) can make a great chip today, that leverages software that we know well, then that's a chip we want to use
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer51: sure, and it's nonsense if you know how diverse the "chipmaker" industry is
<wolfspraul>
I think practical, we know certain software best, and we are looking for ways to make that software shine in peoples lives
<wolfspraul>
I don't plan to work on a phd in physics the next few years
<wolfspraul>
neither do I plan to "recreate" what millions of people have worked on the last 60 years, aka "the semiconductor industry"
<wolfspraul>
but I think we can become much smarter in picking the right chips, yeah :-)
<wolfspraul>
that for sure
<wolfspraul>
I'm still mostly blind there, maybe some rays of light reaching me slowly
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<wolfspraul>
good morning everybody btw
<DocScrutinizer51>
moo
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer51: you still shed tears for Nokia?
<wolfspraul>
:-)
* whitequark
looks at the window and recalls UGT
<DocScrutinizer51>
no, not for Nokia
<wolfspraul>
I somehow think they can't get out of that trap anymore, let's hope it's a large corp and they have some huge invisible growth opportunities somewhere
<wolfspraul>
we need to speed up and make devices that are better at mobile communication :-)
<DocScrutinizer51>
rubber dhingi
<whitequark>
what
<DocScrutinizer51>
nokia's next field of excellence
<DocScrutinizer51>
building rubber boots boats
<DocScrutinizer51>
tires
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer51: what phone do you use right now?
<DocScrutinizer51>
N900
<DocScrutinizer51>
aka rover aka rx_51
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<DocScrutinizer51>
that's why I contribute to CSSU that's why I asked for alternatives to mtools
<wpwrak>
naw, we should replace the kicad libs. they're too unreliable.
<wpwrak>
they change slowly over time and there's no telling what someone has installed on their system
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, Hi.
<xiangfu>
why you add './' to the 'components.pro' Library?
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, oh.
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, so you advice we add our 'common.lib'?
<wpwrak>
(./) i think relative paths didn't work without ./ in earlier versions
<wpwrak>
now it seems that they do
<xiangfu>
ok.
<wpwrak>
yes, we should make our own library of basic parts. in most cases, we can just adapt the default library. some parts need font size or line width changes. a few are very ugly and need redrawing, though
<wpwrak>
e.g., most/all the power symbols have a font that's too tiny
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<xiangfu>
wpwrak, ok. got it.
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, so I needs revert again. :)
<wpwrak>
git revert revert ;-)
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, 'git revert revert' done.
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, do you we should use one 'device.lib' as base?
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, use device.lib overwrite this common.lib. then we start to edit it little by little.
<xiangfu>
overwrite the 'kicad-libs/components/common.lib'
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<rz2k>
I'm surpised how many chinese electronic companies want to work with Russia, I just got back from ExpoElectronica and there was like 30% of panels having "seeking for representative" label.
<kyak>
they want to work with everybody
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<JCGsp>
Hi everyone out there
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<JCGsp>
the .sh on the debian 6 image used to compile openwrt updates the source?
<kyak>
whitequark: how can i force using rndis in linux rather than cdc ethernet?
<kyak>
i tried to preload rndis_host before connecting Ben, but it still selects CDC Ethernet (ECM) config
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<mth>
kyak: afaik it's a compile time option
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<kyak>
mth: no, it's not like that.. there are two configurations and the driver choses one of them
<kyak>
when i plug it into windows, it choses rndis
<kyak>
but when i plug it into linux, it choses cdc
<kyak>
and i can't make it choose rndis when i plug it into linux
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<mirko>
what's the patent-situation with gif by the way?
<mirko>
is it free to use and distribute (now)?
<wolfspraul>
I would think so :-)
<wolfspraul>
that sounds like a question for computer historians :-)