<Tesseract> nevermind that last question
<wolfspraul> good morning everybody
<Tesseract> morning
<wolfspraul> Tesseract: morning :-)
<Tesseract> you wouldnt have a spare moment? having slight trouble getting my ben nanonote to co-operate
<Tesseract> after following the format data partition guide on the wiki, i still only have 460mb in my rootfs partition
<wolfspraul> the partitions are hard-coded in the kernel
<wolfspraul> so if you want one large rootfs, you have to make a change there and rebuild the kernel
<wolfspraul> I'm not exactly sure what you want to achieve and which exact steps you followed though.
<Tesseract> hell, i'd settle for another partition for data, I just cant see it after doing all those steps on the wiki
<wolfspraul> which steps? (url?)
<Tesseract> one step ahead :D
<wolfspraul> and where does it fail? can you mount the partition?
<wolfspraul> I think we have a little helper script/command now somewhere to mount it, I don't see that reference on this wiki page
<wolfspraul> but the steps on the wiki page should work
<wolfspraul> at the end you mount your 1.5gb data partition on /data
<wolfspraul> (if you follow those steps)
<Tesseract> I do have a folder on root called "data" but when I check the partitions (df -h) I cant see it/
<wolfspraul> are you following that wiki page?
<wolfspraul> at which step are you?
<wolfspraul> there are steps 1-5
<Tesseract> yes, and then the ones to make it work at statup
<Tesseract> I've put them all in
<wolfspraul> the startup stuff was improved many times, the wiki instructions may be outdated
<wolfspraul> so you think you formatted the data partition?
<wolfspraul> when you did a manual mount (step 5), did it work?
<Tesseract> diddnt check
<wolfspraul> first step - format the data partition (actually should have come from the factory like that)
<Tesseract> *facepalm* checking now
<wolfspraul> second step - try a manual mount
<wolfspraul> third step - setup easiest way to automount on boot
<wolfspraul> for the third step, I'm not sure, hopefully someone else knows the latest best way...
<Tesseract> there's the result of a manual mount
<wolfspraul> the mount gives you no output at all?
<wolfspraul> maybe try mount -v (verbose)
<wolfspraul> which software version do you have on your ben (cat /etc/VERSION)?
<Tesseract> 2011-5-28 and I still dont get any output off the command (mount -t ubifs ubi1:data /data/ -v)
<wolfspraul> or you just wait until we cleanup this mess and it works well out of the box :-)
<Tesseract> lol
<Tesseract> the new version apparently comes out some time in 2012
<wolfspraul> which new version?
<Tesseract> if you can clean this up by then, I'll be impressed
<Tesseract> the ben nanonote is only the first in the nanonote series
<wolfspraul> oh don't worry, we have been pretty good at improving the Ben software over the last 1.5 years. I think that's fair to say.
<Tesseract> there's a new one (the yi if i remember correctly) coming out next year.
<Tesseract> true
<wolfspraul> I'm sorry that the data partition causes you some headache now.
<wolfspraul> I want all this to work out of the box, but there are conflicting goals so we have been a little slow
<Tesseract> I got the nanonote for the challange. wouldnt be worth it if it worked nicely
<wolfspraul> for one we may want to enable dual-booting with Jlime
<wolfspraul> then we are thinking how we can offer a usb-storage mode for file transfers
<wolfspraul> and encrypted partitions
<Tesseract> usb file transfers are easy enough already
<wolfspraul> all of this ties back into the partitioning and choice of file systems, and we haven't found the golden middle path yet
<Tesseract> dualbooting, awesome. usb-storage, unnecissary but awesome. encrypted partitions, if someone knows how to work the nanonote, they deserve my data.
<wolfspraul> Tesseract: you can wait a little until xiangfu is back online, he may have some magic ideas to get your data partition up
<wolfspraul> I hope you didn't follow that wiki page too closely, especially the section on auto-mounting at boot time - it may be outdated
<wolfspraul> yeah, the bulk of the page was written in April 2010 :-)
<Tesseract> bugger
<wolfspraul> unfortunately deleting content in a wiki is hard, because nobody dares to make the decision that something has been superseded entirely
<wolfspraul> there may still be some corner cases where the old information may be useful (is the thinking)
<wolfspraul> so stuff just gets layered on top of each other, not good, unfortunately
<Tesseract> we need a wiki archive for that sort of info
<wolfspraul> there seems to be a utility mtd.nn
<wolfspraul> and commands like format_data_default and mount data /data
<wolfspraul> sounds like it could be what you need
<Tesseract> could be. I've been using linux for all of 3 days so this doesn't make too much sense
<Tesseract> sudo, echo, cat, grep, ls, cd and ifconfig are my current repertoire.
<wolfspraul> I hope that doesn't get too boring, there are many useful apps too, check http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications
<kyak> Tesseract: if using the latest image, mounting the data partition should be as easy as "mtd.nn format_data_default; mtd.nn mount data /data" (for the first time)
<kyak> after that, just "mtd.nn mount data /data"
<kyak> you can also add thi line to /etc/init.d/start
<wolfspraul> kyak: since he went through the steps from the old wiki page - if he has no data on the Ben yet, the best may be to start over with a full reflash?
<Tesseract> heh, just did one
<Tesseract> oh well
<kyak> wolfspraul: i assumed he has just did the full reflash
<Tesseract> running reflash_ben.sh
<Tesseract> now for the 20 min wait
<kyak> Tesseract: just to confirm, are you reflashing all bootloader, kernel and rootfs?
<Tesseract> everything currently
<Tesseract> oh, is the data partition already 1.4Gb in size after reflashing?
<Tesseract> only requiring mounting?
<kyak> nope, you need to format it for the first time
<Tesseract> hmm, this should go up on the wiki if it works.
<kyak> then you shouldn't ever format it again (unless rootfs size changes)
<Tesseract> kyak: on that first command you sent me, it throws up the error: "cannot attach mtd3 (file exists)"
<Tesseract> hmm, perhapse i delete the /data directory and retry
<wolfspraul> don't delete the /data directory
<wolfspraul> the existance of that directory is completely unrelated to mtd3 or any of the ubi stuff. however, you need the /data directory as a mount point.
<Tesseract> i'm assuming it still mounted to that directory, as i cant seem to delete it anyway
<kyak> what does 'mount' show?
<Tesseract> df -h shows it's mounted
<kyak> and the size is..?
<Tesseract> 1.3Gb
<kyak> all right then
<Tesseract> sorry, 1.4
<Tesseract> a resounding success
<kyak> now you should add the mount command to your /etc/init.d/start
<wolfspraul> Tesseract: congratulations!
<Tesseract> echo "mtd.nn mount data /data" > /etc/init.d/start . should work to put it in the start file?
<Tesseract> and thanks a heap for getting the data partition to co-operate!
<kyak> better edit the /etc/init.d/start manually, as it has things there
<kyak> oh, there is no /etc/init.d/start by default.. you could have a look into /etc/init.d/ben-nanonote and put your command there
<kyak> in the start() function
<Tesseract> done
<Tesseract> and it works on reboot
<Tesseract> however, in the same function, ifconfig usb0 192.168.3.2 doesn't work
<Tesseract> oh well
<kyak> don't do that in start scripts
<kyak> have a look into /etc/config/network
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<wpwrak> damn google !
<wpwrak> they tried to poison us
<wpwrak> too many bloody caipirinhas
<RON_> wpwrak what have you heard from people who have received atben from our VERY seldom-seen tuxbrain friend?
<RON_> wolspraul have you recieved your tuxbrain atben atusb order?
<lekernel> "bluetooth support for the pulseaudio sound server". what the heck is that?!
<viric> lekernel: it's the 21th century on electronics and free software
<viric> did you just wake up from consoles, sound blasters, and 80386 personal computers running linux 1.0? :)
<viric> Because you are going to get bad surprises
<viric> *21st* :)
<lekernel> so in the 21st century, we are supposed to have audio clicks and various sound breakages and bugs when you are playing audio from two applications simultaneously with pukeaudio?
<lekernel> not to mention that when pukeaudio output is enabled in mplayer, I cannot smoothly play videos anymore
<viric> lekernel: ah, you should get newer hardware
<lekernel> there is a small hiccup every 2 seconds or so
<viric> it's an indicator of obsolescence.
<lekernel> oh, all these things worked perfectly with alsa
<viric> that's so outdated!
<lekernel> also, when playing said videos, the cpu usage isn't high
<lekernel> it's just all pukeaudio bugs
<zear> i don't like pulseaudio either. Latest gdm update forced me to install pulseaudio and since this i have lots of audio problems
<lekernel> but there is bluetooth support. yay!
<lekernel> yeah same here, fedora and gnome3 forces it on everyone
<viric> people gets strong links with the past; the enforcement is for your wellfare and safety
<lekernel> also I cannot see the point of playing your audio on a remote machine ... never had a need for that
<viric> and for a subset of use cases, pulseaudio has been proven to move some bytes to some place better than other solutions.
<lekernel> same for those stupid x11 redirects that never work and serve as a catch-all excuse for x11 problems... do you see a pattern here?
<viric> that sounds like 'flexibility' and 'modularity'
<lekernel> i don't have any "strong link" with the past, but I do enjoy audio that just works out of the box without having to type "killall -9 pulseaudio" every hour or so
<lekernel> alsa was closer to that than pukeaudio
<lekernel> first there was x11, now pukeaudio... i'll end up buying a mac if that trend continues
<lekernel> at least apple got the UI and audio right
<viric> :)
<viric> Some try to achieve what apple achieved, but with another software license.
<lekernel> if only the pulseaudio people would focus on getting it to _work_ on the local machine before implementing weird and often useless feature like bluetooth and tcp/ip ...
<lekernel> it's really creating tons of problems on my machine because of its bugs
<viric> :)
<viric> the world advances at giant steps.
<viric> And you alone will be able to slow it down only a little :)
<lekernel> phew
<lekernel> i'm by far not the only one who complains about pulseaudio bugs. there are so many...
<viric> I'm just seeing a project about scanning bloggers in 3d.
<viric> lekernel: I personally keep out it :)
<rjeffries> do we have report sof people receiving atben radio boards (likewise atusb boards) and people getting them up and running
<rjeffries> Ben to Ben seems to be doable.
<rjeffries> Wolfgang did you get your order from David at Tuxbrain?