DocScrutinizer05 changed the topic of #neo900 to: http://neo900.org | conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23neo900/ and http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900 | 2013-11-04 - the day our fundraiser reached its goal | 2014-05-01 360 devices 75k€| 0712 183 ~30k | 0810 300 ~49k | 0914 346 ~56k
<DocScrutinizer05> I admit I did the 3 links since I was too lazy to add a personal statement like "this is intersting" to a single link
<Wizzup> would be better still :)
* Wizzup heads to bed
<DocScrutinizer05> well then it is spam, I welcome my own spam on my own page
<Wizzup> sure, sure :)
<DocScrutinizer05> when somebody disagrees, too bad
<illwieckz> So, it is 01:00 here, I'll go to sleep, thanks for what you are doing, and keep up the good work.
<DocScrutinizer05> and when somebody thinks that buying a Neo900 from a page that has a particular link to another URL on it is unbearable...
<DocScrutinizer05> then I think that's exactly the extort mindset that I dislike in systemd and the way it hijacks every linux distro and spoils it for alternative init systems
<DocScrutinizer05> I admit it's there 6 times despite me only posting it 3 times, and it looks cheesy this way
<DocScrutinizer05> shell cmdline error
<useretail> ...talking about camera module...
<useretail> photos at the bottom
<wpwrak> blame the contact bounce of the mouse button ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> well, that's N97 vs N900, not cam module vs cam module
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: exactly
<DocScrutinizer05> useretail: both phones use completely different camera drivers it seems
<RzR> DocScrutinizer05, https://devuan.org/
<DocScrutinizer05> RzR: http://neo900.org/#news
<DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
<RzR> gz
<DocScrutinizer05> useretail: the modules themselves are identical in my book though
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<dos1> REMINDER: OHSW 2014 happens today! Videos & livestreams: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA/feed
<dos1> agenda: http://ohsw.org/
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<slyon> hi dos1!
<dos1> slyon: hello!
<slyon> how do you feel today? are you well?
<dos1> still a bit dizzy, but much better than yesterday :)
<slyon> good!
<slyon> so you'll be able to give the presentation?
<dos1> yup
<slyon> great! :) my plan is that I start a "Hangout on Air" via the OHSW account and send you an invite via G+. Then you can join and share your screen and voice in order to give the presentation. does this sound good to you?
<slyon> that way people can find the stream and video at the usual place and I can put your presentation on the projector for the visitors here
<dos1> sounds good
<slyon> cool! right now we're about 20min behind the schedule, just FIY
<slyon> FYI*
<slyon> so you can probably start around 16:20 (german time)
<dos1> ok
<wpwrak> dos1: you may be the most visible speaker. all the others are talking in the dark ;-)
<jake42> wpwrak: should we turn on the lights? :-)
<wpwrak> jake42: it may be nice to see more than an army of dark shadows :)
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<jake42> for the next talks
<Openbot> Neo900 jake ?
<Openbot> Jake42^^
<Openbot> Dos1 got sick ?
<wpwrak> Openbot: he'll give the presentation through cyberspace, from the safety of his home
<wpwrak> yes, having the speaker move into the light does also work :)
<Openbot> Good
<Openbot> Like snowden :D
<wpwrak> indeed. "what i have to say is too dangerous" :)
<Openbot> just Say it damm
<wpwrak> no, really ? ;-)
<wpwrak> (commenting on the livestream)
<dos1> hehe :)
<Openbot> Dos1 hi
<dos1> hello
<Openbot> How wass the talk
<slyon> Openbot, neo900 talk is next
<slyon> about 30-45min
<Openbot> Be careful they might have infested your bathroom by now
<Sicelo> is DocScrutinizer05 at that OHSW?
<Openbot> Ah
<slyon> Openbot, there will be a livestream at http://www.ohsw.de
<slyon> Sicelo, doc is not here
<Sicelo> ok.
<Openbot> Dos1 leave the stage to doc he will bash the hell out of everyone :D
<Openbot> Sylon 2g here :D
<wpwrak> Sicelo: the dragon does not venture out of his lair to come to the knight. the knight comes to the dragon's lair (to be barbecued and eaten, usually)
<slyon> Openbot, ohh i see. it is also recorded, so you can have a look later on ;)
<Openbot> Wpwark:you are a genius !
<Openbot> *Wpwrak
<wpwrak> ;-)
<Openbot> I was just wondering about the look on the faces of spectators if doc was on stage
<slyon> right now EvilDragon from OpenPandora is on stage
<Openbot> He might eat people
<Openbot> How may people there sylon
<Openbot> *Slyon
<slyon> Openbot, about 25
<slyon> room is full :)
<Openbot> Good but a bit low volume it seems
<slyon> the stream?
<Openbot> Full ? Is it a bathroom ??
<slyon> no a seminar room at the technical university of munich
<Openbot> The people
<Openbot> Oh
<jake42> Openbot: but you got a point
<jake42> we should invest in a decent mic
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<slyon> jake42, actually i think the mic is alright, did you have a look at the recordings?
<slyon> also I could turn up the volume, but I don't think it's needed
<wpwrak> yes ! usb debug port. i like that :)
<slyon> wpwrak, indeed! that's a very nice feature
<wpwrak> i wish we could have that on neo900. alas, joerg hates the idea :-(
<Sicelo> why not?
<wpwrak> phew. an army of mechanical switches ? that must be $$$.
<jake42> slyon: I thought it sounded like a bathroom
<slyon> jake42, ahh. OK maybe this can be improved later on with some "Magic Youtube Improvement filters"
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<jake42> though it's just fine to understand
<jake42> maybe :-)
<wpwrak> the echo and distortions sometimes make it a bit difficult. but yes, i've heard considerably worse.
<Openbot> Echo is bad very bad when in a room
<wpwrak> (better yield) good point. and we'll have that, too :)
<slyon> unfortunately i only have WiFi, i think thats the cause for the distortions
<slyon> also my laptop is pretty busy with the 720p stream, i have a load of 5.0-6.0 (with 4 cores)
<Openbot> 720p streaming ? 480p looks fine on a typical laptop
<slyon> dos1, are you ready? looks like ED is almost finished. then there will be a little bit of discussion, a small break (5min) and then it's your turn
<slyon> Openbot, yes for readability of the slides
<Openbot> When you got a bad conn and just need to watch a thing
<Openbot> Dos1
<Openbot> jet set go !
<Openbot> Is he on now ?
<dos1> ready!
<Openbot> Somebody kind can pls do a speech to text here of inportant bits
<slyon> dos1, i just sent an invite for the stream. I'm shortly afk now. will be back in 5min
<wpwrak> "starting soon"
<Openbot> Where is doccrutinizer05 ? He is dead silent today ? Run over by a truck :(
<Openbot> Or what ?
<Openbot> *Docscrutinizer05
<Humpelstilzchen> hmpf xbmc can't play this video yet
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05's ways are inscrutable :)
<Openbot> Cant phrase wpwrak :(
<Openbot> ~dict Inscrutable
<wpwrak> Humpelstilzchen: still on standby, it seems
<infobot> Dictionary 'Inscrutable' (1 of 3): \In*scru"ta*ble\, a. [L. inscrutabilis : cf. F. inscrutable. See {In-} not, and {Scrutiny}.] Unsearchable; incapable of being searched into and understood by inquiry or study; impossible or difficult to be explained or accounted for satisfactorily; obscure; incomprehensible; as, an inscrutable design or event. [1913 Webster] 'T is not in man To yield a reason for the will of Heaven Which is inscrutable. ...
<Openbot> Omg ! New word added to my catalouge !
<Openbot> Does the lips move now ?
<Openbot> I mean dos1 s lips ;
<wpwrak> i hope someone who's there will tell us when it starts - in case the stream doesn't begin automatically
<slyon> dos1, can we start?
<Openbot> Slyon also on the talks ?
<dos1> slyon: yup
<slyon> dos1, ok we're testing the speakers and then we can start...
<Openbot> Aha
<slyon> dos1, you're LIVE!
<jake42> go dos1 :-)
<slyon> btw: the stream on youtube has a slight delay
<wpwrak> stream is running
<slyon> we have no sound...
<Openbot> Ummm err
<jake42> now
<jake42> it works
<slyon> not yet
<Openbot> Make it workk
<slyon> now youÄre good!
<slyon> yes
<wpwrak> on youtube the sound is ok
<Sicelo> it works. but dos1 is not visible
<Openbot> Whats happening use skype
<wpwrak> hearing ya loud and clear
<Openbot> Wpwrak : some speech to text appreciated ;)
<wpwrak> i'm not nearly fast enough for that ...
<Openbot> Seems everybody deep in the streams
<Openbot> Wpwark just intresting tits bits only lol
<Openbot> *Wpwrak
<wpwrak> -> see the slides :)
<Openbot> Ok
<wpwrak> "walled garden" ... nice expression for "prison camp" ;-)
<Openbot> Ha ha
<jake42> nice analogy :-)
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<wpwrak> "old" as in "ancient". calypso was obsolete even when we used it in openmoko
<slyon> little statistic: 8 visitors in the stream + 25 visitors from OHSW/Munich
<wpwrak> we're being tracked ;-)
<slyon> hehe
<Openbot> Get well soon dos1 ;)
<wpwrak> paranoid and creative :)
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* slyon is wondering how we can master the Q/A session of this talk. I'll try to get a non-delayed audio channel between OHSW and dos
<slyon> (once the delayed stream on the projector is finished)
<wpwrak> now to the stuff everyone's hungering for :)
<slyon> dos1, just a sec, we'll soon talk to you ;)
<dos1> okay :)
<wpwrak> *clap, clap*
<jake42> *applause*
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<wpwrak> whee, two-way audio !
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<wpwrak> yeah, if people only knew what sorts of delays (and worse) happen *inside* companies ;-)
<slyon> OK. We're offline. Thank you once more!
<wpwrak> dos1: thanks !
<dos1> I hope it wasn't too painful to listen to me... :)
<jake42> thanks dos1 for the awesometalk even though you couldn't attend!
<slyon> at the beginning it was a little strange, but after a while it felt OK :)
<Toxic-Waste> a lot of "ummm" :) please work on that
<DocScrutinizer05> this is common even to many native speakers
<DocScrutinizer05> dos1: great talk, many thanks!
<wpwrak> Toxic-Waste: that's a classical teleconferencing problem. after a while, the speaker begins to mentally adjust to talking to his PC and not to people. pretty hard to overcome, even if you realize it's happening.
<wpwrak> but i;m sure evolution will solve that in a few dozen generations, too :)
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, return channel completely missing, so no feedback to adjust tempo of speech accordingly
<Toxic-Waste> oh okay,i didnt realize that
<DocScrutinizer05> similar to missing ACK in TCP/IP ;-)
<Toxic-Waste> or one-way UDP :)
<dos1> well, I do "ummm" a lot even with full ACK ;)
<dos1> that was actually my first major talk in english
<DocScrutinizer05> and it was brilliant, even if it were not the first
<dos1> and first major one in polish wasn't that long time ago as well... i'll get better with time :)
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, inevitably :-D
<DocScrutinizer05> after 4 weeks Taipei, I sometimes continued speaking English even when we were 3 or 4 native German speakers in the group
<Toxic-Waste> congratulations, then :D i'll have to re-watch it though, because i missed the first 3/4
<DocScrutinizer05> until Wolfgang answered in German, so I noticed it
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<slyon> dos1, yeah. your talk was absolutely fine. Everybody here in munich could follow.
<dos1> i'm glad :)
<dos1> I had a moment of panic right before the beginning - turns out screen sharing on hangouts + libreoffice impress + two screens is a no-go :D
<dos1> impress displays convienent "speaker-panel" on second screen showing next slide and the notes for current one
<dos1> with hangouts, I could only select the whole window that was across both screens
<dos1> so if you wondered what's with that mess on top of the screen - that was my quick workaround :D
<slyon> the small distoriton on top didn't really distract, so that's fine
<DocScrutinizer05> indeed kudos to managing that online speech and the usual hickups they come with
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<slyon> bye!
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<dos1> o/
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<freemangordon> dos1: was your presentation in english?
<dos1> freemangordon: hopefully you're asking that before watching it? :)
<dos1> yup
<freemangordon> ok, I will watch it then :)
<freemangordon> yeah, I was serious
<freemangordon> dos1: your english is ok to me, I can understand everything ;)
<dos1> great :)
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