DocScrutinizer05 changed the topic of #neo900 to: http://neo900.org | conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23neo900/ and http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900 | 2013-11-04 - the day our fundraiser reached its goal | 2014-05-01 360 devices 75k€| 0712 183 ~30k | 0810 300 ~49k | 0914 346 ~56k
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<DocScrutinizer05> sorry, seems I once more counted wrong
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<DocScrutinizer05> currently my spreadsheet shows "373"
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<Oksana> From Gerry: Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, we have only 9 units on stock and waiting for a new shipment from Nokia. We hope we get the shipment from Nokia in this week and can send your shipment, kind regards
<DocScrutinizer05> cool
<Oksana> Nokia... Is it still Nokia, or was it already transferred to Microsoft? :)
<DocScrutinizer05> spare parts still Nokia aiui
<Oksana> :-) And support is already Microsoft?
<DocScrutinizer05> looks like
<DocScrutinizer05> http://www.microsoft.com/de-de/mobile/haendlersuche/ see the window caption
<ds2> so we will have the MS Lumia N900? :D
<DocScrutinizer05> huh?
<ds2> nevermind
<ds2> bad joke
<Oksana> I have seen a violet Jalou today: http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/support/phones/jalou/
<Oksana> ds2: Fortunately, they cannot 'upgrade' already manufactured phones to new branding. Even if they wished to.
<Oksana> Do not run wget: 1. as root; 2. recursively; 3. on not-trusted FTP server.
<DocScrutinizer05> do not run as root. yep
<ds2> bah, run SE linux and neuter root ;)
<DocScrutinizer05> that too
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders where's been <Pali> hwat's next? wget? cp?
<DocScrutinizer05> what*
<Oksana> Reading about MicroB and Gecko (I personally would prefer keeping MicroB-and-mozembed based on super-new Gecko engine): netscape-api ... this thing is 15yo :) oh, good reason. "It is old" (or is it 20 ? I don't remember any more) I didn't say it was a good reason ;)
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway now we know ;-P
<DocScrutinizer05> wget is next
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm? Oksana, sorry you lost me
<Oksana> Just reading the history. And laughing at discussion. And thinking about weird hybrid of 'old' MicroB with new Gecko engine.
<Oksana> MicroB was really handy. With its excellent understanding of MIME types. And spiral zoom. At the same time, new Gecko engine might offer better speed, some bug-fixes.
<ds2> is the new Gecko engine less memory hungry?
<ds2> on a stock N900, the browser is barely useful if you have a few other apps going in the background (i.e. gvm + modest)
<Oksana> ds2: That's the question...
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<ds2> from dealing with webkit on android, it just ain't worth it
<ds2> (stock, not the modified proprietary versions)
<Oksana> Have you seen any other browser, on Fremantle, which understands the file associations well enough to correctly open/save the files from the Web? Open App Manager for deb, and so on?
<Oksana> I am fan of Gecko, from old times. And I remember how spiral zoom is much easier to use than click-zoom or double-click-zoom. And there are a lot of such nice details in MicroB.
<Oksana> Photographs like this are something to be included into video of "What's inside N900/Neo900": http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/domesheet/lightspreader-dots7.JPG
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<Oksana> Quiet...
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<Oksana> Quuiiieeeettttt... No chargers arrived yet. Not even a letter about them being at customs ;-/
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<Oksana> Good evening
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<Nokiabot> Ssssh
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<Nokiabot> Sssssh
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<Oksana> Good morning!
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<Oksana> The chargers-seller finally 'surrendered' the tracking number. It did leave their country almost two weeks ago, it did arrive to this continent four days ago (unless there is a confusion of two different parcels with same tracking number), but I am not sure when I will receive it.
<Oksana> Either way, it's not exactly their fault that 'express' is so slow.
<wpwrak> i'm sure they chose the fastest ship available :)
<Oksana> Hmm... Likely. Shipping across the globe should be expected to take long. Still, three weeks? I think I am fortunate they have not chosen sea-shipping, or have they?
<Oksana> Hope to get the parcel today or tomorrow. Because three working days for such a small distance remaining should be more than enough.
<Oksana> "Registered Mail International", that's how their post calls it.
<wpwrak> 2 weeks sounds like regular air mail. that can pass between lots of stations. sea would be more like 2 months.
<Oksana> That sounds good. Meaning, no unusual delays, just usual shipping. Though, why would regular air mail take 2 weeks, if a human flying would spend no more than 2 days in flight? Processing parcels at post offices? Choosing 'right' air-plane? Waiting for large number of parcels to accumulate?
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<Oksana> It just does not help customer's nerves when their 'promised' shipping time is much 'faster' than 'real-life' shipping time.
<jonwil> regular non-express air mail takes longer because it doesn't get expedited customs processing and because the cargo plane probably visits many places before it gets to you.
<jonwil> not to mention that there are probably deliberate delays added to make people buy the more expensive "express" products
<Oksana> So the parcel was sent by regular air mail, even though on EBay they promise express shipping? Curiosity question: Will it be possible to have CyanogenMod on Neo900?
<jonwil> I doubt cyanogenmod will appear, they seem to target devices with much bigger sales volume and also devices that already run Android
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<Oksana> Neo900 will be running Replicant... Or expected to. How is Replicant different from CyanogenMod, I wonder?
<bencoh> foss stuff
<bencoh> they tried and REed most of samsung ril for instance
<bencoh> and they limit to foss running on the phone
<bencoh> (well, at least on main cpu)
<Oksana> Well, if that's the only difference, then Replicant + foss RE-bits from foss-fremantle = CyanogenMod?
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<jonwil> Does replicant go for FOSS GPU drivers
<jonwil> ?
<jonwil> that's something Neo900 is unlikely to have anytime soon
<bencoh> hmm, no
<bencoh> I'm not sure whether they just removed 3D support, or they let the user choose
<bencoh> but considering the "Missing" in their status table, I'd say they just removed it
<bencoh> broken telephony on gta04/replicant is quite a pity :/
<bencoh> the only open project is the list has no phone support
<bencoh> in the list*
<Oksana> Why broken telephony? It does not require 3D, does it?
<bencoh> hm no ... I dunno what's wrong to be honest
<bencoh> might be related to unimplemented/broken ril/fso bridge