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<awygle>
"Huh, a Twitter thread on cool industrial images from Japan. I wonder if whitequark has seen this? *clicks, reads* ... whitequark has definitely seen this."
<qu1j0t3>
haha
<qu1j0t3>
usually, I discover, "Oh, whitequark RT'd this"
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<whitequark>
qu1j0t3: duloxetine checks out
<whitequark>
fucking snris
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<rqou>
whitequark: why are snris bad?
<whitequark>
rqou: side effects
<whitequark>
ssris and snris aren't very effective but they always come with side effects, sometimes with really bad, permanent side effect
<whitequark>
*effects
<rqou>
but doesn't the stuff you take also have severe side effects?
<whitequark>
tricyclics have even more side effects and are much more toxic in overdose but at least they actually work a bit better than placebo
<whitequark>
as opposed to more or less the same as placebo except in the absolute worst cases
<whitequark>
well, for depression anyway
<whitequark>
antidepressants have many uses besides depression
<whitequark>
I'm not sure why we even call them "antidepressants", they totally suck at that
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<pie__>
historical accident? <whitequark> I'm not sure why we even call them "antidepressants", they totally suck at that
<pie__>
reflecting on my latest work 1) I never intended to become a programming languages nerd 2) I never intended to get into distributed systems 3)I never intended to get into microarchitecture (well ok maybe thats not quiiite true)
<pie__>
now look where we are X'D
<pie__>
whitequark, help I cant stop looking at more things
<awygle>
I miss the days when I could do anything without a constant background of rage at how shitty everything is for mostly no good reasons
<pie__>
awygle, I'm guessing that happens when you actually have to make money to feed $people? :/
<pie__>
well, rather, thats when it mainly kicks in
<pie__>
pressure and need to make progress on $work instead of making things less shitty?
<awygle>
na I only feed myself
<awygle>
there is some of that
<awygle>
but mostly it's just becoming aware
<pie__>
oh so its just general disillusionment then
<pie__>
xD
<awygle>
like I didn't know fuck all about SNRIs til just now
<awygle>
and now I'm mad about them
<pie__>
oh
<pie__>
yeah...I cope by blocking out a lot of things :/
<awygle>
but I can't say I'd rather not know, because that's just giving up. so... rage.
<pie__>
you cant deal with ALL of it at once
<pie__>
or something
<pie__>
like I have never looked at the trump stuff at all
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<awygle>
yeah for real. I also react to lack of sleep mostly with anger and I've been sleeping badly so that doesn't help
<pie__>
then again that might be kind of funny
<awygle>
it's not
<pie__>
also blocking out hype
<rqou>
ugh why am i so fucking unproductive
<rqou>
awygle how do you make yourself productive?
<awygle>
rqou: I had the problems you are describing lately when I was burnt out as fuck
<awygle>
I recommend you clean your apartment, sleep, and then take three weeks or so of anime therapy
<rqou>
lool
<rqou>
not in the apartment anymore
<rqou>
due to Reasons(TM)
<awygle>
to more specifically answer the question I make a list every morning with like four things I want to get done that day, and that helps
<awygle>
I lose a lot of productivity to analysis paralysis
<rqou>
hmm that happens to me quite a bit
<rqou>
but making lists has never worked for me
<awygle>
(feel free to expand "every morning" to "every morning where I'm actually productive that day")
<awygle>
The thing about lists is
<awygle>
It's really easy to go too long
<awygle>
A seven item list is paralyzing. A three item list is motivating. At least for me.
<rqou>
hmm i might try that
<rqou>
we should make a ##RecoveringFancySchoolAlumni channel :P
<awygle>
I used to have this boss
<awygle>
Who made us do a project meeting every morning
<awygle>
Which was supposed to be 30m but was never less than an hour
<rqou>
that's probably doing it wrong
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<awygle>
And he just put up a *huge* list of *every* item we had outstanding and asked the responsible engineer if progress had been made on each item
<rqou>
wtf
<rqou>
that's what jira is for
<awygle>
Which meant I spent the first hour of every day saying "yes" maybe once and "no, I did no work on that" ~seven times
<awygle>
That is the wrong way to use lists :-P
<awygle>
(I'm not sure that story is relevant but I'm still mad about it so)
<rqou>
anyways, i really should clean my lab area, but it's always so annoying to try to do so
<rqou>
my parents are definitely nice and annoyed though
<awygle>
lol
<rqou>
so awygle, any tips on actually trying to organize things for people who absolutely _suck_ at being organized? :P
<awygle>
rqou: get rid of tons of shit
<rqou>
but i need that shit
<awygle>
you have at least 60% more shit than you need
<rqou>
why?
<awygle>
idk everybody does
<awygle>
I got rid of two trash bags full of clothes when I moved here
<rqou>
i actually don't have that many clothes
<rqou>
or if i do my mom stuck it in a closet somewhere
<awygle>
I still have like five boxes full of cut tape parts with like two resistors per tape that I am working myself up to trash
<rqou>
i hate buying clothes
<rqou>
hah
<rqou>
if i have that i can't find it lol
<rqou>
hashtag disorganized
<rqou>
also "but what if it's a capacitor? those are expensive" :P
<awygle>
beyond that, idk, I'm not great at organization either tbh. I figured out I need a table by the front door and that coffee has to go to the *left* of the stove and that's as far as I've gotten
<awygle>
make sure everything has a place I guess. That's a big problem for me, stuff that doesn't live anywhere so I just move it around
<rqou>
hah are you me? :P
<rqou>
that's exactly me
<awygle>
get shelves, boxes, hooks, etc
<awygle>
I should hang my huge box of cords on hooks, I'm just now realizing. Thanks lol
<awygle>
anyway I don't have any sage advice from what, two years into your future besides get rid of shit you don't need. sorry
<awygle>
I'm actually reading a book about this right now, I'll let you know if it has any insight lol
<rqou>
lol
<awygle>
oh make sure you have swap space
<rqou>
wtf how do you have the exact same problems i have
<awygle>
a room that's 80% full and messy is way easier to clean than one that's 90 or 95% full
<rqou>
yeah, the "lab" is 95% full
<rqou>
probably doesn't help that all of my dad's crap is here too :P
<awygle>
which brings us back to get rid of stuff. Or build up, if you can, with shelving or whatever
<azonenberg_work>
awygle: i am going to be doing both at the new place, lol
<azonenberg_work>
When we moved out of the rental we literally shoved everything we had into boxes
<azonenberg_work>
there was no time to sort it out
<awygle>
yeah I did a fair amount of that too, resulting in the Craigslist Pile
<azonenberg_work>
We threw out a bunch of bubble wrap and moving boxes that we didn't use (since i packed stuff less carefully for the cross-town move than the cross-country move)
<azonenberg_work>
and a trash bag or two of miscellaneous crap
<azonenberg_work>
But otherwise, everything is still sitting in boxes
<awygle>
(if anybody wants a 1.5tb hard drive or a mini atx case and psu, I'll give you a good deal)
<rqou>
i'll take it
<rqou>
actually no
<awygle>
rqou: loooool
<azonenberg_work>
once the house is habitable, I'll be cleaning a lot of stuff out
<rqou>
it'll probably just end up in the "todo" pile
<awygle>
"I have no space! Oo I'll take it!"
<azonenberg_work>
unpack each box slowly, put things either in proper shelving/storage
<azonenberg_work>
Or throw it out
<awygle>
I'm so close to having my kitchen organized. It's been a constant source of stress for more than a year.
<awygle>
Which is, I acknowledge, slightly insane.
<azonenberg_work>
awygle: My kitchen is so disorganized and cramped
<rqou>
heh the kitchen here is... a nice mini-conflict
<azonenberg_work>
that I am using the stovetop as storage for paperwork
<azonenberg_work>
and groceries
<azonenberg_work>
(dont worry, I LOTO'd the breaker so i cant burn the house down)
<rqou>
my mom and i don't really agree how the kitchen should work
<awygle>
rqou: I can put an exact dollar value on what I would pay not to live with my dad, let alone both my parents. My sympathies.
<rqou>
in general we do get along though
<awygle>
My dad and I get along fantastically, but we both prefer living alone lol
<awygle>
I lived with him for three months and we did really well and quietly celebrated when I moved out
<awygle>
Okay I'm now 2.5 hours past my sleep target lol. Goodnight, good luck with your mess.
<rqou>
lol
<rqou>
btw awygle before you go sleep how do you feel about ##RecoveringFancySchoolAlumni? :P
<awygle>
rqou: eh, I am pretty over it to the point that doesn't sound very interesting
<rqou>
heh
<awygle>
I think our shared issues are probably older than Berkeley :-P
<rqou>
lool
<rqou>
yeah probably
* awygle
flashes back to leaving laundry on the floor for his entire childhood
<rqou>
it's pretty "interesting" though that apparently my father now gets a ton of questions from his friends of the form "my son/daughter got into berkeley and now has problem X. did your son have that?"
<awygle>
huh that is kind of interesting
<awygle>
I always assumed Berkeley was a symptom lol
<rqou>
oh that happens too
<pie__>
rqou, ive been working on dejunking my room for months
<awygle>
oh re Craigslist I also have a 48 port gigabit switch
<rqou>
i have one too
<TD-Linux>
I finally succeeded because I needed to make room for an air mattress
<rqou>
an LB4M? :P
<pie__>
i also got myself a coat hanger
<awygle>
2960G
<pie__>
i putmy pants on it
<pie__>
and my sweater
<pie__>
and my towel
<awygle>
okay goodnight lol
<pie__>
as oppose dot leaving stuff on my chairs
<rqou>
hmm is this kind of discussion why so many people on birbsite have locked alts?
<pie__>
" stuff that doesn't live anywhere so I just move it around" figuring this out has been a large part of the reason it has taken me months "how do i categorize thing thing", also "its kind of trash,,,but its also kind of not"
<azonenberg_work>
awygle: 2960G?
<azonenberg_work>
I might be interested
<rqou>
lol
<azonenberg_work>
As a temporary way to light up all my cat5 before LATENTRED is done
<rqou>
azonenberg_work: seriously, just buy an LB4M/LB6M combo
<pie__>
i think i finally ran out of corners of the room ive extracted junk from, now its just a matter of doing something with the stuff sprawled everywhere <awygle> a room that's 80% full and messy is way easier to clean than one that's 90 or 95% full
<pie__>
its funny when you think "oh almost do-WAIT I FOUND ANOTHER CLOSET"
<azonenberg_work>
pie__: i have the opposite problem, i'm slowly building rooms out of studs and sheetrock
<azonenberg_work>
But my stuff is already in the house
<azonenberg_work>
i have probably 40 pieces of sheetrock in the office
<azonenberg_work>
completely inaccessible because a futon, server rack, and 20 cardboard boxes are blocking it in
<pie__>
hehe
<pie__>
flipRoom()
<azonenberg_work>
I cant move the futon until the guest room is done
<pie__>
no move, only flip :P
<azonenberg_work>
:p
<azonenberg_work>
sadly i havent mastered mirroring IRL coordinate systems yet
<azonenberg_work>
The guest room is a current project, we got the last of the sheetrock up yesterday and did tape/mud yesterday into today
<azonenberg_work>
painting the ceiling tomorrow then hanging the wood paneling and installing electrical fixtures
<rqou>
wait you have a "guest" room? :P
<azonenberg_work>
Once that's done we can move the futon in, the floor is still ugly bare concrete but that wont be changing for a long time
<rqou>
oh wait you have a wife, that's why :P :P :P
<azonenberg_work>
rqou: We have to put the futon somewhere
<pie__>
i have too much vertical space now that i think about it, tons of space on my walls just asking for shelves
<azonenberg_work>
We have a futon because her mom insisted on having one so she could sleep when visiting
<azonenberg_work>
pie__: that is a high priority goal for this house when it comes time to furnish
<azonenberg_work>
make efficient use of vertical space
<azonenberg_work>
i plan on having 6+ foot high cabinets on every exposed wall area in the lab and office
<azonenberg_work>
Bolted to the wall so they cant tip
<azonenberg_work>
(important in earthquake country)
<pie__>
lol
<pie__>
oh i thought it was just going to be all the junk :P
<azonenberg_work>
lol
<azonenberg_work>
anyway, the SAR room is another high priority
<azonenberg_work>
not because i need somewhere to put my sar gear
<pie__>
*azonenberg_work's shelf falls over, category 5 earthquake in california announced*
<azonenberg_work>
But because the cable tray carrying power to most of the second floor runs through it
<pie__>
wait you have an entire sar room?
<azonenberg_work>
As soon as i get the ceiling and upper walls painted and hang the tray
<azonenberg_work>
I can get more upstairs power turned on
<azonenberg_work>
pie__: It's more of a "very large hallways" or mudroom
<pie__>
oh
<azonenberg_work>
it's maybe 80-100 square feet
<azonenberg_work>
as you enter from the downstairs hallway
<azonenberg_work>
you have a door left into the bathroom
<azonenberg_work>
a door ahead and left to one bedroom
<azonenberg_work>
a door ahead and right to another bedroom
<pie__>
you should do the wallace and gromit dresser-upper-machine
<azonenberg_work>
then to your right there's maybe 8 feet of open space then the door to the lab
<pie__>
ok guys if we ever need to raid azonenberg_work's house see above
<pie__>
tl;dr: "software is still shit and we as an industry need to do something about it"
<pie__>
webshit edition
<pie__>
^maybe
<pie__>
is android webshit? it certainly feels like webshit xD
<pie__>
maybe webshit just means shiny and disfunctional
<pie__>
though i havent used any androind beyond 2.x
<pie__>
^ *for an extended perios
<pie__>
period
<whitequark>
android got way better since 2.x
<pie__>
yeah i figured
<gruetzkopf>
rqou: i always found the redpower trees sufficient for that diameter
<rqou>
the mfr ones are huge but narrower
<pie__>
i have sort of poked at some of the newer ones and it still just felt weird
<gruetzkopf>
(which also tells you when i sunk huge amounts of time into minecraft)
<pie__>
ok really im just thinking about the settings menu
<whitequark>
it's... kind of weird yes
<rqou>
hmm, i've had a pretty mixed experience with all phones
<whitequark>
but i no longer have to suppress the desire to throw it out the window like in 2.x time
<gruetzkopf>
samsung android phones are unusable with the default UI
<rqou>
i used to have a nexus 6p which currently can no longer charge
<whitequark>
yeah I'm talking about AOSP obviously
<whitequark>
not the shitty vendor UIs
<gruetzkopf>
i do have a working 5X which i'd really like a new display for
<pie__>
I guess I ...just dont really do phones
<rqou>
then i switched to one of huawei's own phones which seems to work ok but has the classic never getting updates
<pie__>
if someone gives me a smartphone im like how do i use this i dont understand these icons
<pie__>
(well ok i do it just takes forever to find what im looking for)
<whitequark>
rqou: since oreo android gets updates through play store, i've heard
<whitequark>
noooot sure how it works tbh?
<rqou>
this is a pre-oreo phone running a custom kernel :P
<gruetzkopf>
not this -O nexus 5x
<rqou>
that i haven't had time to go and rebuild
<pie__>
yeah i have seen hints to android now not depending on the vendor to get updates
<pie__>
or rather, that was how i preferred to interpret it
<rqou>
i really hate how phones are moving further and further away from the vision of "a computer in your pocket" and more and more towards limited walled gardens
<pie__>
yeah
<pie__>
that feels really fucking horibble
<pie__>
r<->b
<pie__>
stallman was right (tm)
<rqou>
i also work for an ads/media company so something something glass houses
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<gruetzkopf>
whitequark: re: power cables: there's a reason that i build most of them myself
<gruetzkopf>
fishing out the good from the bad is more work and more expensive than simply getting C13 and schuko plugs and H07RN-F 3*2.5mm² or something
<whitequark>
yes basically
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<azonenberg_work>
pie__: lol
<azonenberg_work>
rqou: yeah i really wish somebody would make an actual general purpose computer in a phone form factor
<azonenberg_work>
that happens to actually make phone calls
<azonenberg_work>
With an actual fold-out physical keyboard
<pie__>
there was that one phone that proper ran linux iirc?
<gruetzkopf>
the people who got the psion brand name iirc?
<parport0>
azonenberg_work, did you mean: pda
<whitequark>
azonenberg_work: lx95.
<whitequark>
it runs DOS.
<whitequark>
doesnt get more general purpose than that
<gruetzkopf>
palm Vx
<gruetzkopf>
with fold-out-laptop-style-board
<parport0>
azonenberg_work, the tricky part is making the keyboard actually usable
<whitequark>
parport0: do you have a highlight on "lx95"
<whitequark>
oh nvm
<parport0>
whitequark, no, i have a boring 17-hour bus trip
<azonenberg_work>
whitequark: a gui os is mandatory for something that small and awkwardly shaped
<parport0>
take a look at htc universal
<whitequark>
azonenberg_work: it has a gui os
<azonenberg_work>
because a CLI is hard to use with a tiny keyboard
<fseidel>
a friend has one of those, he really likes it
<fseidel>
it's a neat little thing, I played around with it and it felt pretty solid
<cyrozap>
Unfortunately, it doesn't run mainline Linux yet, FOSS 3D drivers are still being worked on, and I haven't finished reverse-engineering its cellular and WiFi modems :P
<azonenberg_work>
cyrozap: interesting
<azonenberg_work>
if i had the cash for an upgrade i would very likely get one
<rqou>
typical asian family lunch problem: "why don't you have a boy/girlfriend yet?"
<awygle>
ugh every time
<awygle>
we're not even Asian
<sorear>
The logic here is confusing me.
<rqou>
my aunt literally said to me "hey, you should introduce somebody to <my cousin>"
* pointfree
removed tinder from phone when some lady tried to techrecruit me.
<rqou>
loool
<awygle>
hahaha
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<rqou>
awygle: so why are asian stereotypes associated with just asians if white people do it too? :P
<awygle>
rqou: racism, I guess? Idj
<awygle>
*idk
<rqou>
woot new nilered video
<rqou>
whitequark apparently you're not the only one who had trouble getting piperidine
<azonenberg_work>
pointfree: looool
<azonenberg_work>
I havent heard of that before
<azonenberg_work>
But i am honestly not surprised
<azonenberg_work>
awygle, rqou: my very-white parents met the asian stereotype of expecting perfection all the time
* azonenberg_work
still remembers getting chewed out for a 4 out of 5 point grade on the AP Physics C exam
<azonenberg_work>
which, mind you, was still good enough to place out of physics 1 and 2 at RPI
<rqou>
lolol
<azonenberg_work>
But it wasn't a perfect grade
<azonenberg_work>
when I got a 22xx on the SAT i got yelled at because my 3.5 out of 6 essay score had brought down my average
<azonenberg_work>
lol
<azonenberg_work>
pretty sure they made me do more writing practice and take it again
<qu1j0t3>
god i hope we can move past that mode of parenting
<azonenberg_work>
qu1j0t3: i was homeschooled
<azonenberg_work>
When i was doing math homework, there were no grades
<azonenberg_work>
There was either "Good" or "This one's wrong, do it again"
<qu1j0t3>
i see
<rqou>
whitequark did you ever solve your "amateur-friendly route to piperidine" problem?
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<azonenberg_work>
whitequark: oh, given your knowledge of bio/drugs you might get a kick out of this one
<azonenberg_work>
"Why did the IT guy fail out of paramedic school?"
<azonenberg_work>
"He wanted to give 12 mg of adenosine to every patient" :p