#sandstorm on 2016-04-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:53 <ocdtrekkie_> simonv3: Fundamentally, users want different things. Choice is good. Unfortunately, Android demonstrates that an official design methodology leads to a loss of choice.

01:54 <ocdtrekkie_> Even if the design is bad, as Material is, developers are compelled to follow it, because Google recommends it.

01:55 <ocdtrekkie_> I've literally forked a bunch of apps to backport working functionality to old versions of apps which don't suck nearly as much as some do today.

01:56 <ocdtrekkie_> The less people are told what is the 'right way' to do something, the more ways people will try.

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03:58 <simonv3> ocdtrekkie_: hmm. I'm not so sure. A lot of people are much happier with the more cohesive state android is in now. I wouldn't blame Google's design principles (whatever quality) for developers doing a bad job adapting them. There's blind following without thought to actual design, and then there's using principles as a starting point.

04:02 <simonv3> If no one is told what the right way of doing something is, you end up with fragmented systems that are worse for the average user because most developers don't give a crap about design.

04:03 <simonv3> Give a crap/have the money to give a crap.

04:03 <simonv3> Which is why most of the internet looks like either material design or bootstrap.

04:06 <simonv3> Which I guess is what sets apart material design from say, Apple's human interface guidelines. One is a trending style guide, the other is best practices. When I asked about this, I guess I had best practices in mind, rather than a style guide.

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07:07 <ocdtrekkie_> Cohesive is not necessarily better. I've learned that the word 'fragmented' isn't a dirty word.

07:09 <ocdtrekkie_> I think it's important apps be encouraged to be granular, and ideally collaborative (or at least handle multiple users competently) and that's about the extent of guidance there should be. Design should be based on the needs of the app.

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16:05 <isd> How does one go about setting up mail for a box using the sandcats.io service? I don't own the domain, so can't point DNS in the appropriate directions myself...

16:09 <dwrensha> isd: for outgoing mail, you can set the Return Address in the SMTP configuration in admin/settings

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16:13 <dwrensha> this works if you have some external SMTP relay (Mailgun has worked well for me)

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16:14 <dwrensha> unfortunately, it's not going to help you if you want to use the RoundCube Sandstorm app

16:19 <isd> dwrensha: so outgoing should just work if it's some other domain?

16:23 <dwrensha> what are you using for your SMTP relay server?

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16:39 <isd> dwrensha: mailgun

16:42 <dwrensha> so you have your own non-sandcats domain, you verify it on mailgun, and then you set it as the "Return Address" in Sandstorm's /admin/settings

16:43 <dwrensha> or, rather, you set the return address to be *something* at that domain

16:43 <dwrensha> that should just work

16:43 <dwrensha> it's the setup I have

16:46 <isd> cool

16:48 <dwrensha> well, I don't actually use sandcats, but I don't think that makes a difference in this case

16:48 <isd> seems to be working

16:49 <dwrensha> yay!

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23:24 <chabes> hi. i'm having trouble setting up sandstorm. is this the right place to seek help?

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23:30 <dwrensha> chabes: yes!

23:31 <chabes> awesome

23:32 <chabes> so, i installed sandstorm on my pc running linux mint

23:32 <chabes> most of the setup went fine

23:32 <chabes> but the setup url isnt working

23:33 <dwrensha> did you opt-in to using sandcats?

23:34 <dwrensha> what does the URL look like? and what do you see when you visit it?

23:34 <chabes> i set up my sandcats domain

23:34 <chabes> the url looks like https://7thave.sandcats.io/setup/token/e5d6b990b88bf11f8c664ffaaab6857a93e5a820

23:34 <chabes> that one should be expired by now

23:36 <chabes> tried running "sudo sandstorm admin-token"

23:36 <chabes> new ones also giving same result

23:36 <chabes> which is

23:36 <chabes> ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE

23:37 <chabes> in chrome

23:38 <dwrensha> is your server running on some kind of private network?

23:38 <dwrensha> I see that 7thave.sandcats.io resolves to 108.224.136.44

23:38 <dwrensha> is that your server?

23:39 <chabes> thats my home router

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23:39 <chabes> which i guess is my server?

23:39 <chabes> im kinda new to this stuff

23:42 <dwrensha> ah, so my guess is that your router is doing network address translation

23:42 <dwrensha> and your server has an IP address that's not exposed to the outside world

23:42 <dwrensha> ... which ought to be fine if you just want to use it from your home

23:42 <dwrensha> but sandcats isn't currently set up to support that use case

23:43 <chabes> i see

23:44 <chabes> so... is there a way to make my server exposed to the outside world?

23:44 <isd> chabes: set up port forwarding on your router

23:45 <chabes> ohhhh

23:45 <chabes> thats most likely it

23:45 <chabes> havent set up any port settings for this computer yet

23:46 <isd> yeah; that's what dwrensha was getting at. https (tcp 443) needs to be forwarded to your box. usually there's a page with that on the router's dashboard somewhere, the UI changes from router to router.

23:47 <chabes> makes sense

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23:52 <chabes> should i forward 80 as well? or is 443 all i need?

23:54 <chabes> looks like all is well with just 443

23:57 <chabes> thanks for the assistance! greatly appreciated!

23:58 <dwrensha> I'm happy you got it working