<dwrensha> zarvox: audio works for me in FireFox
<dwrensha> checking Safari now...
<dwrensha> Safari does not work for me
<dwrensha> Also, Safari doesn't show the full URL in its URL bar?!
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<kentonv> dwrensha: hiding information is apple and google designers' favorite way to feel like their products are simpler.
<kentonv> it's like sweeping dirt under the rug...
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<dwrensha> zarvox: yay! the "Loading..." problem does indeed seem to be gone now.
<dwrensha> er, but now switching between open grains seems to be broken
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<paulproteus> Howdy todayman
<dwrensha> heh, looks like it's my fault that switching between grains is broken
<dwrensha> it works before the merge of my fix-interstitial branch
<dwrensha> investigating now...
<todayman> paulproteus: Howdy!
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<dwrensha> yeah, switching the /grain route from onRun() to onBeforeAction() is what broke it...
<kentonv> dwrensha: are you telling me that I just updated everything to a broken version?
<kentonv> >_>
<dwrensha> kentonv: I can send you a quick fix if you want!
<kentonv> dwrensha: that'd be great
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<paulproteus> Nice to see you here, todayman. If you wonder what all the commotion is about, many of us are testing zarvox's UI changes to Sandstorm.
<todayman> I'm usually here keeping tabs. Looks like my connection to Freenode disappeared and I got a new one.
<kentonv> dwrensha: how long do you think it will take? We need to leave in a little bit...
<paulproteus> Ah, neato todayman.
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<neynah> I'm glad the icons are displaying properly. It's really cool having a list of grains. :B
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<neynah> Is duoludo working for anybody?
<dwrensha> works for me :P
<neynah> works for kentvonv too
<neynah> But I'm testing IE11 so...
<kentonv> I have browserquest and duoludo open in the same tab...
<dwrensha> time to implement volume control in the Sandstorm shell!
<dwrensha> (would that even be possible?)
<paulproteus> I thought we defer that to the operating system, I mean, the browser
<dwrensha> neynah: you could check whether duoludo works outside of sandstorm at http://zepto.dwrensha.ws/ . And browserquest at http://browserquest.mozilla.org/
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<neynah> good idea dwrensha
<neynah> duoludo does not seem to work on ie11 outside of Sandstorm
<dwrensha> :(
<dwrensha> that's something I should fix
<neynah> :'(
<paulproteus> or user-agent blacklist!
<dwrensha> powering up my Microsoft-provided Windows testing VM right now...
<dwrensha> huh. Works for me there.
<dwrensha> IE 11 in 32-bit Windows 7
<dwrensha> wait, I need to confirm a profile for DEV accounts? That's a bug.
<paulproteus> bug bug revolution
<dwrensha> is that why the tests were failing?
<dwrensha> (I mean, before everything broke and it became obvious why the tests were failing)
<paulproteus> whoa interesting
<dwrensha> ah, Duoludo in Sandstorm in IE 11 does not seem to be getting keypresses
<ocdtrekkie> Blocking by user agent makes me sad paulproteus.
<paulproteus> It makes me sad too!
<paulproteus> afk for dinner!
<ocdtrekkie> Google just implemented a user-agent block for Edge on hangouts.google.com today.
<ocdtrekkie> It worked perfectly until they did.
<dwrensha> zarvox: how does event handling work on the grains listed in the navbar? As far as I can tell, they are just vanilla <a> elements...
<ocdtrekkie> El Goog isn't happy there's a new browser in town.
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<dwrensha> zarvox: oh, I guess that IronRouter is handling the click-on-<a> events
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<paulproteus> I kind of love compiling Sandstorm. My computer turns into a jet engine.
<dwrensha> paulproteus: `make continuous`!
<maurer> ocdtrekkie: given that they are not blocking IE, I asume Edge was misbehaving somehow
<dwrensha> zarvox: try renaming a grain to " ". You'll see what I mean!
<dwrensha> We should fix this!
<paulproteus> Vague proposal: we should use https://github.com/practicalmeteor/meteor-loglevel/ and use that rather than raw console.log().
<paulproteus> Whoa or http://observatory.meteor.com/
<paulproteus> Yow this thing is powerful.
<paulproteus> OK anyway.
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<zarvox> dwrensha: oh wow, you're right, it's not the whole block that's an <a>, just an <li>
<dwrensha> hm. the editable title in the topbar has zero width when the title is " ". So there's no way to rename the grain to something sensible!
<bb010g> I've got a question about the Apache Wave app. Wave was made to be federated. With the email apps, you don't separate out each email into a separate grain—you keep them together, because it's the same email account. With Let's Chat, you have little "networks" in each grain. Why separate out each wave into a separate grain? You loose federation. Wave isn't
<bb010g> Etherpad.
<dwrensha> zarvox: I saw you card about "Shared grain petnames cannot be updated by sharee". Could you explain what you mean?
<dwrensha> bb010g: By "federated", do you mean that the Wave server wants to talk to other Wave servers?
<dwrensha> bb010g: cool!
<dwrensha> I had no idea
<bb010g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave#Federation_protocol lists a couple of other providers
<bb010g> If you watched the original Google IO presentation (~1:30 long IIRC), they showed off a command line version
<bb010g> https://youtu.be/v_UyVmITiYQ?t=1h5m15s for the relevant bits
<zarvox> dwrensha: yeah, we should probably set min-width for the titlebar
<zarvox> dwrensha: I mean that the allow/deny rules for ApiTokens forbid owner.user.userId from modifying owner.user.title
<zarvox> so even though the client correctly attempts a write on that field, the server rejects it
<dwrensha> zarvox: did you try it? It seems to work for me
<zarvox> "Alice shares with Bob, Bob tries to rename, Bob's name doesn't stick" was my path; I'll try it again
<dwrensha> it goes through the "updateApiToken" Meteor method
<dwrensha> Alice of course won't see Bob's petname
<dwrensha> But it should persist for Bob
<dwrensha> oh wait, I think I just observed the problem
<zarvox> hmmm, then we should make GrainView.prototype.setTitle call that meteor method instead, then!
<dwrensha> that's odd, I think like just yesterday it was working
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<dwrensha> zarvox: OK, I'll submit that change. :)
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<zarvox> dwrensha: \o/
<zarvox> I'll do the clickability fixes
<bb010g> Holy crap
<bb010g> I forgot about this
<paulproteus> zarvox: I'm going to try to (minimally?) style the "About" page. Requesting your ACK/NAK when you have a sec.
<bb010g> Live translation in Wave
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<zarvox> paulproteus: ACK, sounds great :)
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<zarvox> Hmmm, Laverna isn't working for me in Firefox, with console.error "ReferenceError: shimIndexedDB is not defined"
<zarvox> jparyani_: ^
<zarvox> this appears to also happen to IE?
<dwrensha> uhhh Hacker News appears to be scooping our story
<zarvox> amazing
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<paulproteus> That's what I know.
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<paulproteus> jadewang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrDm4SkyWQ is the Jack Singleton video in a YouTube channel by Sandstorm.io. +1/-1 requested!
<jadewang> checking it out now
<paulproteus> yay
<paulproteus> I also updated the queued tweet + fb post + g+ post.
<jadewang> <3 jacksingleton
<jadewang> this is really good
<paulproteus> : D
<jadewang> I also really like their format
<paulproteus> I wanted to slice off the first 2 seconds but due to keyframes or something that was hard. Video is interesting.
<jadewang> @nena: can we have something like that?
<dwrensha> zarvox: fyi,while working on setTitle() I'm also fixing some oldSharingModel stuff. So it's ending up being a somewhat bigger fix.
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<zarvox> so about favicons: http://realfavicongenerator.net/faq
<zarvox> neynah appears to be offline, but that link was for her
<paulproteus> where's mnutt when you need him https://twitter.com/esgalya/status/636615253686661120
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<paulproteus> neynah https://oasis.sandstorm.io/shared/o1HaAgvzF3nBkU_TKuEF7kRqLaLS5jcy1BWbLdCX3Cq is a very incomplete list of other things kind of like Sandstorm
<paulproteus> I could annotate it with attributes about them, like "Is open source?" or "Lets users upload their own software?" or etc.
<paulproteus> "has a security story?"
<paulproteus> I could make it an EtherCalc maybe I guess.
<neynah> Thanks paulproteus :D
<neynah> That would be cool, but not totally urgent. Although, it would be interesting to see what differences I actually recognize.
<neynah> So maybe hide the tab and i can compare later. :D
<neynah> I mean column
<paulproteus> Great (-:
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<paulproteus> The front page of hacker news is hilarious right now, in that a Sandstorm _git repo_ is #1.
<paulproteus> Why? It's just not that exciting! Oh well.
<bb010g> Sandstorm's just that awesome
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<neynah> Thanks aldeka_
<neynah> :)
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<paulproteus> Which is just to say: thank you mnutt_ !
<mnutt_> awesome. yesterday I finished up the in-app upload https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kG_KHu9Y5c
<paulproteus> Nice!
<mnutt_> at this point there’s still a lot to be done to make it all a nice experience, but I think it’s getting close. I’m going to clean up the sandstorm changes based on kenton’s suggestions and hopefully the app will be ready for submission in a few weeks
<paulproteus> That remains very exciting.
<mnutt_> has anyone thought about splitting out the mail server app from the mail frontends? would that be something powerbox could do?
<paulproteus> Yeah, it could be possible via the Powerbox.
<paulproteus> I'd like to see that, though it would require more user interaction to get started, and I think we have more thinking to do about how to make the initial setup there not a drag.
<mnutt_> is anyone running their domain’s email off so sandstorm in production right now? I guess that would be through the roundcube app?
<paulproteus> Yeah -- we definitely have one user report on the sandstorm-dev email list where they were doing that. Andrew Wansley, I believe.
<paulproteus> I don't know if he still is.
<mnutt_> that’s great to hear, I may try setting that up at some point. I’m currently running my own dovecot/postfix setup
<paulproteus> `/win 8
<paulproteus> ...
<paulproteus> I just answered it; I love questions like that.
<zarvox> neynah: filed https://github.com/zombiezen/filedrop/issues/3 about the SVG/IE issue.
<ocdtrekkie> paulproteus: Re: Etherpad link you presented above. I helped.
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<neynah> Great zarvox . I'd be interested to know if there is a different solution for this in the future.
<paulproteus> ocdtrekkie: Thanks!
<neynah> zarvox : so it looks like the original SVGs were #000000 and 40x40. I could export smaller ones??
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<zarvox> dwrensha: should the event handlers for emailInviteTab use event.currentTarget rather than event.target?
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<zarvox> also I think that they might need to either get grainId and title passed in from the parent template or pull them out of the current active grain
<ocdtrekkie> I wonder if Github disallows uploading raw files from the web UI just to avoid being used as a download site or something. It'd be really nice if one could submit image files from the web UI, don'tcha think, neynah?
<paulproteus> BTW anyone in SF interested in visiting the http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club ?
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<zarvox> jparyani_: misc's disk appears to be full: https://build.sandstorm.io/job/Sandstorm%20PRs/743/console
<zarvox> cc kentonv or anyone else who has ssh access
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