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<swills> woot, i have gem-testers.org code running locally
<lmarburger> raggi: i'm probably going to be working on some bundler-api issues friday. has there been any progress on the new index format?
<lmarburger> i'm only asking because i'm trying to gauge how much effort to put into query tuning if the database is going to be obviated shortly.
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<reset> experiencing a 500 error when attempting to upload gems via gem push. Nothing on the status page about it or on twitter. Is this a known problem right now?
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<kseifried> drbrain, ping?
<drbrain> pong
<kseifried> so got a quesiton: actionwebservice: https://rubygems.org/gems/actionwebservice
<kseifried> current is on github: https://github.com/clevertechru/actionwebservice
<kseifried> so on rubygems not updated since 2007
<kseifried> so basically dead
<kseifried> how is something like this handled?
<kseifried> assuming the github people are the same people, just ask them nicely?
<kseifried> if not the same people do you say "ok, wow, you're a much better steward, so we'll hand it over to you"?
<drbrain> the owners are DHH and Jeremy Kemper
<kseifried> right
<kseifried> so do we reach out to them ala fedora and ask if they're still alive/interested?
<drbrain> it looks to me that this was very purposefully abandoned
<drbrain> there's only two commits in that repository
<kseifried> hrmm yeah just noticed that
<kseifried> wtf is up here
<kseifried> so on rubygems it's extremely dead
<kseifried> and on github mostly dead
<kseifried> like fedora has a specific process to deal with this, sounds like there isn't one in this case?
<drbrain> I don't think that repository is the correct one, google indicates there are other forks
<drbrain> honestly, this has only come up a couple times
<drbrain> it seems most times an interested party reaches out to the current maintainer separately
<kseifried> hrmm yeah
<kseifried> since we use this I'd sort of like to sort out which one we should be using
<kseifried> e.g. which one is most likely to be updated/maintained
<kseifried> drbrain, : so I guess I reach out to all the various versions, invite them to my private island, give them all a 30 minute headstart and then hunt them, the last one left is what we use?
<drbrain> kseifried: yes
<drbrain> I would email the rails core team and ask them about the gem
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<kseifried> ok
<kseifried> also like say ezcrypto
<kseifried> makes me nervous, not updated since 2009
<kseifried> what's the core team email again?
<drbrain> I don't actually know
<drbrain> Aaron would, but he's at waza this week
<kseifried> this isn't a rush
<kseifried> it's an ongoing train wreck =)
<drbrain> https://github.com/jkraemer/actionwebservice/network seems to be the most recently updated branch
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<kseifried> my one thought is I think rubygems is generally seen as the authoritative source, so situations like this make things quite messym, plus now I sort of wonder about all the other gems
<kseifried> which is to be expected I suppose
<drbrain> yeah
* kseifried was hoping you had pet unicorns and magic "just make it work" powder
<drbrain> technically I have access to the DB which allows me to alter permissions
<drbrain> I have no idea how to do that, though
<kseifried> yah
<kseifried> no this needs to be done with concensus
<kseifried> I would reccomend a fedora style approach
<kseifried> "hi are you dead/still interested"
<kseifried> if they are alive but refuse to be a good steward then it gets escalated
<kseifried> and ultimately it can be done as appointing a new co maintainer to push out secrity updates
<drbrain> there are also gems that still work just fine but haven't been updated
<kseifried> yah
<drbrain> like my net-http-pipeline
<kseifried> or like a fedora package can be assigned to someone new entirely
<drbrain> it only took 50 commits or so to get all the bugs out
<kseifried> yeah I just worry because a lot of the gems we use handle user supplied data
<kseifried> so atack vectors galore
* drbrain nods
<kseifried> wow my typing not so good
<kseifried> so right now I'm just assigning rough risk to these things, what's really dead/etc
<kseifried> like some are really old but probably ok like a simple date manipulator
<kseifried> but some that eat network data and haven't been maintained in 5 years, eeek =)
<kseifried> the joy of red hat is we write like <5% of the code we ship and support =)
<drbrain> yeah
<drbrain> rubygems.org is a slightly different space where we (the stewards) could run into legal issues if we hand the keys of a project off to someone else
<kseifried> yah
<kseifried> hence concensus
<kseifried> I suspect 90+% of cases will be "yeah, totally hand it off, I don't wanna do this anymore"
<kseifried> the other 10%, good luck with that ;P
<drbrain> there was a case where we asked the author then they made some commits and a release
<kseifried> nice
<kseifried> yeah sometimes people just need a bump
<kseifried> like expat
<kseifried> did a release after what, 5 years when I poked him a bunch
<kseifried> I think it was expat
<kseifried> maybe something else
<kseifried> anyways it all worked out nicely
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<kseifried> drbrain: ideally I'd like to see rubygems.org be _the_ authoritative source
<kseifried> be sooo nice to have the one true depot
<kseifried> but I can live without it, but I bet other people are less diligent :P
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<swills> if anyone is interested in talking about GemTesters, let me know, i've got it up and running
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<swills> join me on #gemtesters if you like.
<swills> test server up at 198.211.103.167
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