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haha my connection died.
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evan: i was saying don't freeze to death in 50º LA weather :P
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qrush: It was a hilarious freeze shot. I'm sure someone got a screen cap of it. :D
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qrush: OS X Keyboard Pro Tip: ⌥⇧8 is the degree sign °, ⌥0 is the masculine ordinal indicator º (like Nº 5)
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there's also special characters K (kelvin) and ℉ and ℃
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drbrain: AHA
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got it working :)
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by which I mean… I converted your gist into my exception
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what was it?
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MediumSecurity
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breaks everything
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one sec while I push
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I added Gem::Security::SigningPolicy that is only used for signing
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maybe it is getting overridden by MediumSecurity (which would have verify_data on)
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drbrain: also it only throws an exception on unsigned gems
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signed gems throw the correct security exception
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sferik: ok, 'rake chef:app' should run you through all the steps now to deploy
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I just ran it, so if you had pushed things into the production branch, they have been deployed.
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I have to step back downstairs for a bit
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i shall take a look
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okay, i'll ping you later if I have any questinos
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added a repro.rb
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I tested on ruby-head and rg-mastr
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er master
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indirect: thanks!
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thanks for giving me the framework to repro in :)
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give me a minute to commit to ruby
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I think nobu broke getpwname on OS X
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haha oh boy
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nope, it's just my machine
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seems something got messed up in my user database
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$ id -P _windowserver
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_windowserver:*:88:88::0:0:AMaViS Daemon:/var/virusmails:/usr/bin/false
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should say WindowServer and /var/empty in the middle
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drbrain: eugh
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drbrain: there is a race somewhere, i used to hit it regularly in old versions of OSX on my black 13" macbook, but haven't seen it since then
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raggi >
drbrain: it screwed up my user account once, and i had to break in and rewrite the local db, and all the cached info in etc :'(
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i always keep two user accounts on OSX machines
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or use an LDAP server
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it writes to the user db (dscl? i forget which one) far far far far more often than it should
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IMO that stuff should be basically static
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but apparently apple disagree
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raggi: YP installed management stuff on the laptops, it was terrible
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maybe it's part of that
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drbrain: very possible
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indirect: ha! I don't handle the case of "your gem is unsigned" properly AT ALL
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well, I handle it by crashing
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drbrain: yes! my point exactly :AD
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the bundler signing switch tests systematically try an unsigned gem and a signed gem against all four security policies
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and they all work except that one combination
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indirect >
at least… I think they do
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your tests must be better than mine :D
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drbrain: hehe, reminds me of rack
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haha, for some definitions of better
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drbrain: nowadays, i run rails, ramaze and sinatra tests for better coverage
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raggi: :D
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drbrain: i have the same kind of problem, in terms of: the public interface is "anything"
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it's something like 4 straight cpu-hours of test running to test a single commit to bundler on travis
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drbrain: oh hey while you're in there, want to stop raising runtimeerrors?
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drbrain: latest screw up with rails was, they apparently considered instance variables to be a publci interface :''(
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indirect: which "there"?
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indirect: that seems like a lot
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drbrain: oh hey… I think they're gone now
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1.8.24 raises a couple of runtime errors if validation fails
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super gross to catch
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but I think 2.0 doesn't do that anymore
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yeah, I think those bare raises are all gone
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excellent
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indirect: much better: policy.rb:82:in `check_cert': missing signing certificate (Gem::Security::Exception)
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drbrain: perfect
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indirect: can you double check 487195d for me?
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before I push to rubygems
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err, ruby
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indirect: committed to ruby
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yorickpeterse >
Morning
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qrush >
wow big netsplit
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qrush: is there a rubygems/rubycentral papertrail account? it'd be nice to hook up bundler-api and use it for alerting.
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nevermind. just noticed they have the heroku add-on
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qrush >
haha just saw the freeze. LOL
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qrush: the freeze?
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at the end of the hangout. my internet connection dropped.
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ohhhh got it
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indirect: hone: any word on when a bundler 1.3 final release will be out?
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indirect >
drbrain: not sure yet
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yorickpeterse >
done
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yorickpeterse >
drbrain: "Packaged gems now contain and verify SHA1 checksums" is there some more info on this?
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drbrain >
yorickpeterse: it's just an integrity check
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yorickpeterse >
Do you need to do anything to enable it?
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drbrain >
it's built in to Gem::Package
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yorickpeterse >
Ah, so just package and push and you're done?
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yorickpeterse >
nice
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drbrain >
it's actually got SHA1 and SHA512 checksums in it
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drbrain >
I guess I should update the notes
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pencil >
for each and every file?
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drbrain >
pencil: for each entry in the .gem file (a tar file)
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drbrain >
pencil: there's a data.tar.gz inside that, I don't have checksums for those files
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drbrain >
since gzip stores a creation timestamp, unfortunately recreating data.tar.gz will change the checksum
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raggi >
drbrain: i still don't see the point in those, but :)
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raggi: me neither, but now that we can generate both SHA1 and SHA512 checksums it might be useful for signing
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drbrain >
since the same digest gets used in signing
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drbrain >
… at package time
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reset >
I uploaded a gem about 36 hours ago and the dependency API still doesn't have a record for it. The status page says the API is working as expected. Is there a way to notify the dependency API to forcefully pickup these changes?
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drbrain >
raggi: private_key.sign(SHA1.new, digest(raw data))
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raggi >
oh, i see what you're getting at
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is there anyway to force the dependency API to pickup changes besides to re-upload your gem?
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reset: what kind of changes?
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reset >
I uploaded a gem 36 hours ago. It is present by running gem search --remote. When a user attempts to retrieve the gem with an explicit version match in bundler it says the gem is not found
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lmarburger >
what gem?
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lmarburger >
i'll take a look
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reset >
version 1.1.6
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reset >
thank you so much
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reset: for the record, bundler api should know shortly after rubygems.org knows that your gem was uploaded.
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reset >
yeah I'm used to the short delay
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reset >
this has just been a longer one
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lmarburger >
i'm sure it either missed the update or there was an error
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that's good timing because indirect mentioned wanting to run the rake task to update bundler's database on an interval to pick up anything missed from the webhooks
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lmarburger >
just to confirm, it's definitely not in the database. getting the right rake task to manually update it for now.
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lmarburger >
reset: give it another try
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reset >
lmarburger: looks like it worked
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reset >
appreciate the help
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lmarburger >
no problem. we're going to periodically update bundler's db to catch these cases.
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raggi >
CAP is hard
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raggi >
railsy rest doesn't solve this either, which always makes me sad
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raggi >
apis should generally have some kind of route that says "give me anything from this list that has changed since T (including deletions)" and "give me all new things since T"
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drbrain >
indirect: I found the bug, fixed it, and am writing a proper test
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raggi >
where the latter is a consistent view (even if partial)
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raggi >
(i.e. empty during inconsistent partitions)
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raggi: is that's what pubsubhubub tries to solve?
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lmarburger >
well i guess not really. the app would have to update the hub.
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raggi >
lmarburger: pub sub of any sort, is by definition, not reliable
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raggi >
pub sub is an optimization of a sync problem, but it is not a solution
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raggi >
(and that includes so called "reliable pub/sub", in most cases - due to the real world frequency of application errors)
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raggi >
pub/sub cannot tend toward total consistency, but periodic syncs can
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raggi >
i generally recommend people do both
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indirect >
drbrain: awesome, glad to hear it :)
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yeah i'd agre that periodic syncs are necessary
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lmarburger >
not easy though
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raggi >
you have audit columens
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raggi >
put some indexes on them
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raggi: i'm going to push to staging first
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evan >
give me a sec.
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lmarburger >
right that's what i mean. it's not just adding a new url.
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raggi >
lmarburger: what can i say, rails doesn't solve SOA out the box :-P
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lmarburger >
ha i guess it's true that rails can't scale
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raggi >
scalability is overrated anyway..
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hone >
drbrain: sorry, timezones suck :(
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drbrain >
np, I think it's been taken care of now
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evan >
hm, staging is busted due to s3 keys
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evan >
it's a friday and I just finished watching TopGun
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* evan
deploys to production anyway
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drbrain >
evan: again?
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evan >
I didn't finish it the other day
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evan >
maybe you'll know: does the Navy and Airforce fly mostly F-22s now?
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hone >
evan: topgun so awesome!
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I think there's only one squadron of F22s
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i don't know the answer, but there are a couple of hundred in service, compared to say the f-18, where there are over 1000
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hone >
topgun fridays?
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drbrain >
or whatever they're called
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evan >
HIGHWAY TO THE DEPLOY ZONE!
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raggi >
HIT THE BRAKES AND HE'LL DEPLOY RIGHT BY!
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evan >
raggi: of course, the F-18
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evan >
ok, just deployed
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evan: YEEHAW!
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drbrain >
last summer new F-18s kept flying by my house on the wait to or from Boeing Field
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interesting, I didn't realize the Blue Angels used to fly the A-4
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raggi >
qrush: ok, we're activated and i setup a security group
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raggi >
qrush: i have to run to a meeting, but when i get back i'll sort out permissions so you can manage stuff
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in 2010 we ordered 66 F/A-18E/Fs and 58 EA-18Gs