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<arubin> jdjd: What do you use at work?
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<jdjd> arubin: I dont use any at work.
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<arubin> Oh.
<jdjd> I'm not a programmer right now, I work in the finance industry.
<jdjd> I do it on my free time.
<jdjd> I would like to move into it for work.
<jdjd> But that will take time.
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<jdjd> And learning on my own which I am doing.
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<arubin> I do not have any good advice on that topic.
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<arubin> Learning Java as it is used in the corporate world means learning Java EE, and that is a significant undertaking.
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<deweydb> rvm wrapper 2.0.0@discourse bootup bundle
<deweydb> Could not load ruby 2.0.0@discourse.
<deweydb> what am i missing here. should i not be using "discourse" ?
<deweydb> not really sure how this rvm wrapper works
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<jdjd> arubin: Not really looking to learn java on that level yet.
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<jdjd> Mainly just to mess with Minecraft, android apps, and robowar game.
<arubin> jdjd: You could combine the two through JRuby.
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<arubin> jdjd: There are, for example, JRuby wrappers around the Minecraft libraries.
<arubin> Write some portion in Java, another in Ruby.
<jdjd> arubin: Heard bad things about jruby.
<jdjd> And all it is from my understanding is ruby built on top of java.
<jdjd> So the underlying code is in java.
<jdjd> Figure why not just learn java.
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<arubin> I do not care to comment much more on that topic because it will probably start a language war.
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<arubin> But JRuby is a solid Ruby implementation and I find writing Ruby far more enjoyable than writing Java.
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<jdjd> arubin: That seems to be what I hear a lot lol.
<jdjd> Do you do programming for a living btw?
<arubin> Yes.
<jdjd> Do you have to use more than one language?
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<jdjd> Or stick with one mainly?
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<arubin> We use both Perl and Java.
<dorei> i'd rather code php than java :p
<arubin> As well as JavaScript, since it is a web application.
<jdjd> IC, not familiar with PHP.
<jdjd> Or perl, heard of them though.
<jdjd> I am still learning.
<shevy> perl is like ruby with the line noise removed
<monsieurp> nah
<deweydb> can anyone tell me why i'm getting this syntax error: http://pastebin.com/PfYdzweZ error: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end
<monsieurp> dont agree
<dorei> perl is like ruby without the beauty :p
<shevy> precisely
<jdjd> Sorry, that sounds stupid, I'm familiar with the languages, just not a user and cant really comment on those was all arubin .
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<jdjd> Not to say I never heard of them.
<arubin> deweydb: Does the error reference a line?
<deweydb> 140
<monsieurp> perl is the only language i know you can write an if condition on a regexp
<deweydb> last line
<arubin> jdjd: Sounds stupid?
<monsieurp> like it's built in the language
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<deweydb> sorry 117
<arubin> monsieurp: Same with Ruby.
<jdjd> arubin: What I said, that I dont know what Perl is.
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<jdjd> I heard of it, just cant comment on it or PHP as I haven't learned those.
<shevy> monsieurp an if statement inside of a regex?
<arubin> monsieurp: Or are you referring to the explicit $_?
<monsieurp> if (/my_pattern) { etc
<arubin> Ah, yes.
<shevy> well
<monsieurp> */my_pattern/
<monsieurp> }
<monsieurp> woah.
<arubin> That is because of the implicit $_.
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<monsieurp> yeah, sure
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* arubin accidentally typed explicit earlier.
<shevy> >> $_ = "abc"; puts 'a is included' if /a/
<eval-in> shevy => /tmp/execpad-8ae5caf692a5/source-8ae5caf692a5:2: warning: regex literal in condition ... (https://eval.in/129066)
<arubin> I am not a fan of $_.
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<arubin> Except, perhaps, in Schwartzian transforms.
<volk_> would ARGF.each_line be good for reading enormous files?
<monsieurp> which is why I believe Perl beats the shit out of any other programming for processing text since it does it so well :p but that's it. No math. No OO with Perl. No web apps. No.
<monsieurp> "Please?"
<monsieurp> no
<monsieurp> *programming language
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<shevy> monsieurp but in the example above, where is the difference between ruby and perl?
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<jdjd> Since so many are on here, I have a quick question. I spend about under a year learning ruby part time. I was going to move onto RoR, but am thinking about moving onto Java (learned it some in a college course I took 2 years ago. DOnt hav a CS degre though). Is that a bad idea?
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<jdjd> How do I prevent myself from forgetting ruby?
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<shevy> volk_ possibly, as you iterate over each line
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<volk_> shevy: thats what i was thinking, just wanted somebody to confirm it
<shevy> jdjd if you have use cases then you won't forget it
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<shevy> but if you only learn it for the sake of learning it then probably you did not need it anyway
<monsieurp> shevy: there isn't, basically :)
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<shevy> there are probably some things perl can magically do that ruby can't
<shevy> like <>
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<shevy> I have to learn R for a job in a few months :(
<arubin> shevy: I do not understand your earlier statement. Your regex example failed in Ruby.
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<shevy> arubin how do you come to this conclusion?
<shevy> the warning is weird though
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<arubin> shevy: Oh, I see now. It was just a warning.
<shevy> I can't seem to do away with it :\
<monsieurp> although I'd argue PCRE is a bit more advanced than the Ruby regex engine
<monsieurp> which regex engine does ruby use?
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<shevy> Oniguruma
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<monsieurp> ah
<monsieurp> then no
<monsieurp> not as advanced as PCRE I'm sure
<shevy> >> str = "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog."; p str.match(/brown/)
<eval-in> shevy => #<MatchData "brown"> ... (https://eval.in/129069)
<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> wonder if it is possible to switch regex engines
<monsieurp> no
<monsieurp> it's a built-in feature
<monsieurp> ere is also a forked Oniguruma version called "Onigmo" (Oniguruma-mod) which includes some features introduced in Perl 5.10+.
<monsieurp> ah
<monsieurp> *There
<shevy> Onigmo!
<monsieurp> Ruby since version 2.0 has also switched to it[4] and features have been backported from ruby to Onigmo.
<shevy> Enigma!
<monsieurp> good
<monsieurp> :)
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<arubin> shevy: Perl can increment strings.
<shevy> wat!
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<shevy> how is it doing that?
<shevy> a+ ?
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<arubin> perl -e '$a = "abc"; print ++$a'
<arubin> abd
<arubin> There is actually a solid reason for doing this.
<arubin> Based on Perl's original use case.
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<shevy> hmmm
<arubin> Not that it is a good language feature generally.
<shevy> what is that ++ thing
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<arubin> Increment?
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<shevy> isn't it ++? like i++
<arubin> It can be both prefix and postfix.
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<shevy> that is scary
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<arubin> perl -e '$a = "abc"; print $a++; print $a'
<arubin> abcabd
<arubin> That is from C.
<arubin> Perfix and postfix increment operator that is.
<arubin> Not incrementing strings.
<arubin> s/Perfix/Prefix/
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<arubin> Prefix increments and then returns the value. Postfix returns the value and then increments.
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<arubin> Ruby probably does not have Perl's flip flop operator.
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<monsieurp> flip flop operator?
<arubin> Yes.
<arubin> No one uses it.
<arubin> That does not look like a great explanation, but it is hard to link directly to the documentation for it.
<shevy> yeah arubin, the C syntax would seem more familiar to me than the ++$a one
<arubin> shevy: That is C syntax.
<arubin> Perl variables have sigils.
<shevy> is that like cancer or warts?
<arubin> Prefix increment operators are used often in C.
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* monsieurp is scratching his head over the flip-flop example
<monsieurp> mate u have a better example?
<monsieurp> cause I can't really work out what it is
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<arubin> Looking for one.
<arubin> It is not commonly used.
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<shevy> hehehe
<arubin> hah
<arubin> Seems Ruby has it too!
<arubin> Exhibit C: The Flip-flop
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<monsieurp> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
<shevy> omg
<monsieurp> it prints out the range between two values right?
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<arubin> In that example, yes.
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<arubin> The full explanation is here: http://perldoc.perl.org/perlop.html#Range-Operators
<arubin> Scroll down a bit to "As a scalar operator:"
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<arubin> If you call a Perl subroutine with a specific syntax, the arguments from the current subroutine are passed to it.
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<arubin> There are about four different ways to call a subroutine in Perl and they all behave slightly differently.
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<arubin> Right at the end of that section.
<arubin> &NAME; # Makes current @_ visible to called subroutine.
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<shevy> man
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<shevy> no wonder I did not get perl
<shevy> perl is not simple!
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<dorei> it was designed that way :D
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<arubin> shevy: Perl is a huge language and most Perl developers only know a fraction of it.
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<arubin> For instance, no one calls subroutines that way.
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<shevy> now I understand how PHP got its design :D
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<arubin> And I have seen the flip flop operator used exactly once.
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<shevy> hehe
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<benzrf> bbl guise
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<hfp> Howdy!
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<Ancient> My understanding of is_a? and kind_of? is that they're the same. Is one of them going to be deprecated in the future? Or is there a case where one should be used over the other?
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<pontiki> they are not the same
<pontiki> they are similar
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<centrx> Ancient, They are identical.
<centrx> Ancient, In some contexts, the meaning of one makes more sense than the other.
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<Ancient> centrx, I'd imagine when extending classes kind_of would make more sense, but is_a is better when that's not involved?
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<centrx> Ancient, I prefer is_a
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<centrx> Ancient, e.g. is_a?(Array) makes more sense than kind_of?(Array)
<hfp> Hey guys, could someone please explain like I'm 5 what does the hash method do in this class? https://eval.in/129094 I'm not sure I understand what does a XOR operator do and why it's relevant there
<centrx> Ancient, but mammal.kind_of?(Animal) makes more sense than mammal.is_a?(Animal)
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<centrx> hfp, XOR is a common way of making hashes or random numbers
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<centrx> hfp, In the example, the idea is to item.hash correspond to the contents of item
<hfp> centrx: So it's just a way of generating some kind of checksum that represents all the contents of the item?
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<centrx> hfp, Yes, exactly
<hfp> centrx: i.e. if two items have the same hash then they have the same contents?
<centrx> Yes
<hfp> Ok, thanks
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<whomp> i'm installing rvm and some ruby versions with it on a system that already has ruby installed. is this ok? will it incorporate the existing ruby install?
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<CADBOT> Anyone here use the puma app server?
<CADBOT> A real quick question on logging if so
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<agent_white> Good evenin
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<whomp> how can i set the time zone for a Time object as UTC?
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<whomp> or how can i set the default time zone to UTC?
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<luckyruby> irc got blocked at work. ssh tunneling ftw!
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<benzrf> WOOT WOOT GET HYPE`
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<benzrf> *finally* pushed quick to rubygems
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<benzrf> it has a command now :D
<benzrf> it's possible to try it out without needing to manually enter code to interface with it!
<benzrf> more or less!
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<benzrf> yo speakingcode wanna try quick
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<benzrf> i need somebody to try quick for a sec pls
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<benzrf> ah, w/e
<benzrf> see yall
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<kerin> So I'm mucking around with ERB templates and it works fine if I try to use a string from the binding - <%= string_foo => puts the contents of the string in the template.
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<kerin> However, if I try to use a hash the same way, like <%= hash_bar['key_barfoo'] %> - I get this bizarre error: "no implicit conversion of String into Integer"
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<kerin> I'm flummoxed, anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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<TigerWolf> kerin - What does your hash look like?
<kerin> TigerWolf, for testing purposes I have pared it down to: data = ['c2' => 'chickens']
<TigerWolf> On first inspection it looks like you are either dealing with an array or the hash has numerical indexes
<TigerWolf> That looks like an array to me kerin - would explain it
<pontiki> kerin, that isn't how you specify a hash literal
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<TigerWolf> data = {'c2' => 'chickens'}
<pontiki> ^
<kerin> ...oh god, I'm clearly an idiot
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<TigerWolf> data = Hash['c2'] = 'chickens'
<TigerWolf> etc
* kerin slams face in door
<kerin> thanks.
<kerin> why does ruby accept => in array definitions? is there a legitimate use for that?
<pontiki> the former (['c2' => 'chickens']) isn't invalid syntax, it just produces a single element array containing a hash
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<pontiki> data = ['c2'=>'chickens'] # => [{'c2'=>'chickens'}]
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<kerin> ahhh
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<kerin> thank you. i've clearly been up too long. :)
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<pontiki> save your work, go to bed :D
<kerin> on it!
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<pontiki> me too :)
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<browndawg> is there a rack module that will let me serve pre-compressed assets?
<browndawg> Deploying a static site with rack + puma
<browndawg> don't want to have rack::deflator running all teh time
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<eynj> If I want to check if some variable is a hash, is there some method to do this?
<eynj> something like .is_a?
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<popl> >> foo = {:a => 1}; foo.is_a? Hash
<eval-in> popl => true (https://eval.in/129140)
<eynj> got it
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<bambuka> foo.class
<bambuka> foo.class == Hash
<bambuka> another option
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<bambuka> but seemes more ruby oriented popl response
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<Macaveli> Morning
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<maasha> hi
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<maasha> What does Thread.exclusive do? The documentation sucks.
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<pipework> maasha: Lol, Thread::critial isn't documented.
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<centrx> Go to the source!
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<maasha> pipework: apparently Thread.critical is obsolete.
<maasha> centrx: I'd rather have an expert explain it in an easy-to-grasp manner
<centrx> Why do you say it's obsolete?
<pipework> maasha: Mayhaps you could write the documentation so that it's easy-to-grasp and then read it.
<pipework> maasha: Do you know what "critical section" is in compsci?
<maasha> centrx: in fact, Thread.critical was removed: http://forums.pragprog.com/forums/198/topics/10553
<maasha> pipework: nope.
<maasha> pipework: that above link is the closest I have seen to an explanation.
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<pipework> maasha: It'd help if you did.
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<pipework> Some of the compsci stuff is actually still relevant to daily work, believe it or not.
<maasha> pipework: grrr :o) I am a biochemist, damn it!
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<pipework> maasha: I'm a rocket surgeon.
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<maasha> OK, there is probably a wikipedia article for this.
<pipework> Definitely.
<Nilium> I'm a surgical rocket.
<pipework> Top thing when you google "critical section"
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<maasha> pipework: got it.
<maasha> reading
<Nilium> Fire me at something and they'll explode into healthiness and giblets.
<pipework> maasha: It's always a lock, or a mutex of sorts.
<pipework> Only one thing can enter, typically. I don't know if it's part of the definition that it requires that only one thing can enter the critical section or not.
<maasha> pipework: I almost guessed that. Does it require join?
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<pipework> maasha: "Require join"? You mean like Thread#join? It might or might not.
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<maasha> pipework: Yeah, Is Thread#join required after Thread#exclusive?
<pipework> maasha: Not necessarily, I'd think.
<pipework> You'd just need to unlock the mutex.
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<maasha> pipework: So, it is a build-in semaphore in Thread.exclusive and not a mutex as such (and not a class Mutex for sure)?
<pipework> maasha: The depth of my knowledge about Ruby's Thread::exclusive implementation doesn't go that far.
<pipework> Is the source for that pretty arcane?
<pipework> MUTEX_FOR_THREAD_EXCLUSIVE.synchronize{ yield }
<maasha> pipework: I have no idea
<pipework> Not bad. It's just a mutex. So it's just sugar for making your own mutex and constructing your own critical section.
<maasha> pipework: so a way of controlling concurrency alternative to #Thread.join ?
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<maasha> blah, Thread#join
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<pipework> maasha: Well, it's a mutex like you'll find when reading about the compsci defintion.
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<maasha> ok, let me read this
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<maasha> pipework: ok, I think I have an overview of the terms, but I still lack sound docs of how Thread#exclusive can be used (and compared to Threads with Mutex)
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<pipework> maasha: They're quite similarly the same.
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<pipework> maasha: Notice the constant. It's behaving like a singleton that gets called. It's quite 'exclusive' but references a mutex.
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<gaussblurinc> does anybody use ruby-git?
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<agent_white> So I'm figuring out how to debug my IRC client, which seems to lag quite a bit on message spam. I read up on Ruby-Prof and have began to run some tests; finding "Ncurses::WINDOW#method_missing" to be called quite a few times, to say the least.
<agent_white> Is there a way for me to exit the program when that is called, so I can find out which line it is happening on?
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<jhass> just override it?
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<agent_white> jhass: Like, open up the class and add something in?
<jhass> yep
<jhass> or even just for the instance of it you're using
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<jhass> def my_ncurses_window_bla.method_missing(*); raise; end
<agent_white> jhass: AH! Badass! thank you!
<jhass> while at it you could even get pry-stack_explorer and stuff a binding.pry in there
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<agent_white> jhass: I'll look into it! Thank you :D
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<agent_white> If I fix this, my built-in anti-spam feature will be broken... ;P
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<agent_white> jhass: `raise caller` might seem to have done it?
<agent_white> Nevermind, that pointed to pretty much every instance of that object haha.
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<jhass> yah, you probably want to alias_method the original and whitelist and delegate to that
<msch> https://gist.github.com/MSch/bea7cf4e8bedd5cbcf57 <-- ActiveSupport::Duration. not even once.
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<apeiros> msch: what did you expect?
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<apeiros> using months as a duration is only ever going to fail, no matter what
<msch> apeiros that it behaves like postgresql does. which works
<apeiros> msch: for a very limited definition of "works"
<msch> apeiros works as expected as long as you only add/subtract intervals
<apeiros> tell me, what does pg do when you start with 2014-01-31, add a month, and subtract a month?
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<apeiros> what's the result after adding? what after subtracting?
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<msch> apeiros same bug. but not if I do add a month, subtract a month and then add the resulting value to the date
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<msch> apeiros select now() + ('1 month'::interval - '1 month'::interval), now();
<apeiros> the main problem is with people thinking month was a duration. it's not. months can only exist as interval.
<apeiros> that is, it's only defined with a start/end
<msch> apeiros now that I don't get. what's the difference? and postgres can do it properly so why can't it exist?
<olivier_bK> i playing with timestamp and i try to get a date with 1 hours less
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<ak5> hi everyone, I need to create some simple project to send some api calls to trello.com. Via github, I saw the most popular library for this api is ruby-trello. I want to now create a ruby project for the first time. I guess the standard for managing deps is bundler, but I have yet to find a good how-to - they all seem to conflict. Is there an agreed upon convention?
<apeiros> msch: again, because you use a very limited definition of "works"
<apeiros> which is: "works for my specific case the way I want it to"
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<olivier_bK> i trying to use 1.hours.ago.strftime("%Y-%m-%d-%H")
<olivier_bK> but i get undefined method hours
<olivier_bK> :(
<apeiros> olivier_bK: that's not a ruby functionality. it's a railsism
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<apeiros> olivier_bK: you need activesupport for this
<olivier_bK> Arg..
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<msch> apeiros I don't fully understand, but I've forgotten most basic algebra so I can't even tell you what properties I expect to hold over durations :(
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<apeiros> msch: it wouldn't even matter, because months can't be a duration.
<msch> apeiros of course they are a duration, but no matter how many weeks you add to a duration of 1 month you never get two months, you always get 1 month and n weeks.
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<platzhirsch> Given the symbols vs. strings discussion, when there is an abstract graphical editor (meaning the pixels are represented by a grid of capital letters, where the capital letters represents the color), would you use strings for the color or symbols? The image width/height is capped at 250 x 250
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<apeiros> msch: no
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<apeiros> msch: the "1 month" part of that duration is undefined.
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<apeiros> msch: until you set/define either a start or an end
<apeiros> and then you've an interval.
<msch> apeiros ah yes. got it.
<msch> apeiros and that's why it's ActiveSupport::Duration in Rails but interval in postgres
<msch> apeiros and I want intervals and there are none for ruby
<apeiros> mind you, I'm not sure either of them uses the terms appropriately
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<apeiros> I'd trust postgres more in getting it right, though
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<apeiros> last time I looked at AS Duration it approximated months. your example makes it look like it now remembered the summands.
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<msch> apeiros same. and what you told me about intervals vs. durations matches my understanding. do you know any ruby lib that works with intervals?
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<apeiros> I wrote one. but I never finished it and it doesn't work on 1.9 :)
<apeiros> in other words: no
<apeiros> ruby date/time/duration/interval/calendar situation is rather unsatisfying
<msch> apeiros is it open source? and what did you do to make it not work on 1.9?
<msch> apeiros "rather unsatisfying"
<apeiros> I wrote it 5y ago, when 1.8 was current, and had some syntax diffs.
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<msch> apeiros thanks! I'll read it, at least to understand a bit better how it all works
<apeiros> I wouldn't use it. but maybe you can take ideas from it.
* apeiros off for lunch
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<lxsameer> which syntax style of hashes are newer ? :key => value or key: value ?
<jhass> the later was introduced in 1.9
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<agent_white> jhass: I think I might've found the 'bug'... it looks like the library implementors made it so a call to something like `window.border(....)` would call the 'method missing' to forward it to `Ncurses::border(window, ....)`
<agent_white> jhass: Is that in poor taste?
<jhass> feels the wrong way around but still sounds like a delegator pattern to me
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<agent_white> jhass: Hm, I'll look into that. Still haven't tracked down the bug yet, but good learning experience so far :)
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<shevy> ewwww
<shevy> ncurses
<shevy> AND method_missing
<shevy> double ewwww
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<jottr> I am having trouble understanding the proper use of bower ins conjunction with Sprockets. I am using middleman as my static site generator, which in turn uses sprockets to manage assets. I have this in my config: http://sprunge.us/QGQG I am not sure I fully grasp how append_path actually works. I have my .bowerrc set up so that it installs its packages to vendor/assets/bower . I still have assets which reside
<jottr> in the vendor dir, which 404.
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<jottr> Maybe someone could clarify what the following line posted in the paste above actually expands to: Dir.glob(File.join("#{root}", @bower_config["directory"], "*", "fonts")) ?
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<jottr> Does this expand to, ./vendor/assets/bower/*/fonts ?
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<ak5> how do I remove gems? If I just rm -rf a gem folder, bundle show still shows that gem, but that it was deleted
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<jhass> ak5: gem uninstall
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<ak5> jhass: that is only removing local gems for me... I tried sudo gem uninstall
<ak5> but that didn't remove them. Also sudo gem list also only shows ***local gems***
<ak5> I am a little confused, local gems, means local to machine or local to user?
<jhass> what's a non-local gem?
<jhass> machine
<ak5> I see
<jhass> a gem can be installed only for a user with the --user-install option, but that's not what local means
<ak5> gah, I just want to remove all systemwide gems that i didn't install via my distros packagemanagr
<ak5> looks like thats going to be hard
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<jhass> sudo gem uninstall the route to go then
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<vasilakisFiL> hi! I am using active_record 4.0.4 outside rails.. the thing is that I have errors like ForbiddenAttributesError: ActiveModel::ForbiddenAttributesError due to the strong parameters.. but I don't use any controllers so I can't actually use stromg parameters and also the 'protected_attributes' gem is for active_record 3.2 not 4
<vasilakisFiL> any ideas how to solve this ?
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<jhass> well, you probably still could use strong_parameters
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<jhass> anyway, the exception only happens if whatever you pass in responds to permitted? https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/activemodel/lib/active_model/forbidden_attributes_protection.rb#L20
<jhass> don't pass anything in that responds to permitted
<jhass> or make it return true
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<vasilakisFiL> hmm I don't understand why my params hash responds to permitted.. I use grape if that helps
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<vasilakisFiL> I saw that but I am just using active_record so actioncontroller and the rest are undefined.. the actual problem is in hashie
<vasilakisFiL> I think they fixed that just yesterday
<jhass> you saw that and still asked?
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<jhass> that issue includes like half a dozen workarounds
<vasilakisFiL> I saw that after I asked
<jhass> still would be nice to tell
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> is there any difference to:
<shevy> (a) require 'foo'
<shevy> vs
<shevy> (b) module Foo; require 'foo'; end
<jhass> no
<jhass> (didn't you ask that already?)
<shevy> I usually ask that when I look at old code
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<ak5> hi, I accidently removed the minitest and json gems which are built in. Is there anyway to refetch these gems?
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<benzrf> hello
<olivier_bK> i have a really strange error https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/a5a919d5beeab3d2089f
<benzrf> anybody willing to try out my unfinished gem :3
<olivier_bK> when i excuse my script on my pc with ruby 1.9.3p448 i get 30/3/2014 à 00:00:00
<benzrf> olivier_bK: could it be a timezone thing
<olivier_bK> but on the server with ruby 1.9.3p448 i get 30/3/2014 à 1:00:00
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<jhass> sounds like timezones
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<jhass> olivier_bK: I think you want Time.at
<olivier_bK> benzrf, I haven't thought about that
<jhass> but that code doesn't make a whole lot of sense currently anyway
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<Veejay> Hello. I've seen a lot of mentions of RUBY_GC_HEAP_OLDOBJECT_LIMIT_FACTOR online to tune 2.1.1's GC behaviour
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<Veejay> Where is that variable supposed to be tuned or configured though?
<chrisbolton> Attempting to test a tictactoe game written in Ruby. Has a method that requires user input via gets.chomp. Anyone have any experience testing gets with minitest? Would really appreciate some help.
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<benzrf> yo charliesome
<benzrf> wanna try the super double pre pre pre alpha version of Quick
<jhass> Veejay: if it's like anything like GC tuning in previous ruby versions, in your environment where you call ruby
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<Veejay> OK
<crome> chrisbolton: separate the logic for getting input and then stub it in the test
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<chrisbolton> I’m familiar with stubing in Rspec. It appears stubing in minitest requires mocha. Good call. I’ll give it a whirl. Thanks.
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<apeiros> chrisbolton: stubbing requires nothing. it only requires mocha if you want to stub with mocha.
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<jokke> hey
<chrisbolton> apeiros: You’re right. I ran with the first google result and should have gone directly to the minitest docs.
<chrisbolton> thanks
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<jokke> i'm using guard for a project to compile coffee script
<jokke> but guard-coffeescript seems to remove comments from the files
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<jokke> i haven't found a way to convert them into javascript style comments
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<jokke> any ideas?
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<benzrf> jokke: have u read the docs
<benzrf> ### is for js comments
<jokke> oooh
<benzrf> jokke: regular cs comments get removed
<jokke> thanks a lot
<benzrf> :)
<benzrf> fyi ### forms a block comment
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<benzrf> terminated with ### again
<jokke> yeah i just noticed
<jokke> w
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<benzrf> somebody try the new version of Quick already
<benzrf> >:(
<benzrf> i want FEEDBACK
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<shevy> k
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<benzrf> shevy: are you on the proprietary bsd
<shevy> nope
<shevy> I am on linux
<benzrf> sweet
<benzrf> please install fuse and libfuse-dev
<shevy> I notice something
<shevy> I never have -dev
<shevy> I compile only from source, always
<benzrf> o=
<shevy> quick lacks an usage example
<benzrf> it is v simple
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<benzrf> 1. quick start <dirname> [-f/--foreground]
<benzrf> i recommend using -f for now cuz its buggy
<benzrf> 2. cd into the dir
<benzrf> 3. use quick pry [-m/--module] to open a pry for your cwd's module
<benzrf> by default it opens on an instance of the current module
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<benzrf> use -m for it to be in the module itself
<benzrf> 4. use quick stop to end ur session
<benzrf> while in a dir, if you make new .rb files, they will be loaded every time you save
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<benzrf> files that are not named header.rb may only contain method defs
<shevy> quick is kinda small but has lots of dependencies
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<shevy> dependency.rb:298:in `to_specs': Could not find 'coderay' (~> 1.0.5) - did find: [coderay-1.1.0] (Gem::LoadError)
<shevy> hmm I have coderay 1.1.0 installed
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<benzrf> how odd
<shevy> I think it is because of ~>
<shevy> it disallows change from minor to major version
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<workmad3> shevy: yeah, 1.1.0 isn't a valid version of ~> 1.0.5
<workmad3> shevy: ~> 1.0.5 is equivalent to >= 1.0.5 AND < 1.1.0
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<benzrf> i just copied the deps from my gemfile
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<shevy> can I copy paste your instructions to README.md :P
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<jokke> is it possible to run all guard tasks from a rake task?
<benzrf> shevy: why not
<benzrf> shevy: the basic idea is that you have a fuse FS representing the module/class hierarchy
<benzrf> then you can put files with methods into dirs to add those methods to the module that the dir is for
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<shevy> I am not very familiar with fuse FS
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<shevy> but it sounds like a nice idea
<benzrf> so like putting 'foo.rb' in quick_dir/Foo/Bar will add the methods in foo.rb to ::Foo::Bar
<benzrf> each time you save
<benzrf> :u
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<benzrf> and you can also use 'quick pry' to open a pry in a persistent instance of the current module
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<shevy> you should extend that to a ruby-like smalltalk VM
<benzrf> or 'quick pry -m' for the module itself
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<benzrf> shevy: well i am going to add dmtcp integration
<benzrf> so's you can do 'quick freeze'
<benzrf> and then later, 'quick thaw'
<benzrf> =3
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<shevy> dmtcp?
<benzrf> process freezer
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<shevy> how do you know all about these things!
<benzrf> google
<benzrf> :D
<benzrf> try out quick
<benzrf> is it install now
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<shevy> well I'd have to downgrade coderay
<benzrf> :I
<benzrf> add a gemset of course :y
<shevy> then I have to use bundler?!
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<benzrf> pfft
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<shevy> ruby documentation can be so strange:
<shevy> "Creates a temporally file as usual File object (not Tempfile). It don?t use finalizer and delegation."
<shevy> Is this truly valid english?
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<shevy> wow
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<shevy> >> p :bar
<eval-in> shevy => :bar ... (https://eval.in/129498)
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<shevy> >> p:bar
<eval-in> shevy => :bar ... (https://eval.in/129499)
<shevy> !!!
<crome> nice
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<shevy> this scares me
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<crome> >> puts:bar
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<shevy> there must have been some change in regards to whitespace
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<shevy> hehe the guy is funny
<shevy> "Please, do not write code that depends on this, or uses BEGIN at all. (? do you notice a pattern?)"
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<shevy> he is right though, I hate BEGIN as well
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<apeiros> there aren't many things you don't hate…
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<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> >> def m; end; m() {}
<eval-in> shevy => nil (https://eval.in/129500)
<shevy> >> def m; end; m () {}
<eval-in> shevy => wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/129501)
<shevy> hmmmm
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<jhass> >> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> jhass => "2.1.0" (https://eval.in/129502)
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<jhass> 20> def m; end; m () {}
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<jhass> 20>> def m; end; m () {}
<eval-in> jhass => wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/129503)
<benzrf> 20>> RUBY)VERSION
<eval-in> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-43b59a47bb9f/source-43b59a47bb9f:2: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting keyword_end ... (https://eval.in/129504)
<benzrf> 20>> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> benzrf => "2.0.0" (https://eval.in/129505)
<benzrf> o=
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<benzrf> 18>> puts 'im old'
<jhass> 20>> def m(*a); p a; end; m () {}
<eval-in> benzrf => im old ... (https://eval.in/129506)
<eval-in> jhass => [nil] ... (https://eval.in/129507)
<shevy> jhass hah nice
<jhass> so ` ()` == nil, sadly no use for code golfing :(
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<apeiros> 18>> puts"hi"
<eval-in> apeiros => hi ... (https://eval.in/129508)
<apeiros> 18>> puts:hi
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<eval-in> apeiros => hi ... (https://eval.in/129509)
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<apeiros> worked in 1.8 too btw.
<apeiros> I remember exploiting it in code golf
<crome> hehe
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<apeiros> puts:hi # is 2 chars less than puts "hi" - for the same output
<apeiros> in 1.8, you could also exploit ?d == 100, e.g. ?d.times
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<benzrf> yo apeiros did u ever try quick
<benzrf> :-D
<apeiros> nope, you didn't remind me!
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<benzrf> oh shit
<benzrf> apeiros: get fuse & fuse-dev, then gem install quick
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<apeiros> at work, no time, sorry
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<benzrf> :[
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<j416> if I have module A; module B; module C; end; end; end
<benzrf> j416: yaeh
<benzrf> *yeah?
<j416> does that mean I can write module A::B::C; end
<j416> and it would mean the same, as long as they are defined earlier?
<benzrf> j416: you can
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<benzrf> the scopign will be different
<DefV_> yes
<j416> I'd like to use it to prevent deep nesting
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<j416> I mean, indentation
<benzrf> j416: let me tell you about constant lookup in ruby.
<j416> benzrf: different how?
<benzrf> j416: when you type 'Foo'
* j416 listens
<benzrf> j416: ruby look at each LEXICAL module/class block you are in
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<apeiros> j416: depends
<benzrf> and DYNAMICALLY looks up Foo in each one
<benzrf> j416: so.
<benzrf> in module A; module B; module C; end; end; end
<benzrf> if you write Foo in the middle
<apeiros> outside of rails, you can't do module A::B::C; end without having defined A and A::B before
<benzrf> it tries C::Foo, then B::Foo, then A::Foo
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<benzrf> in module A::B::C; end
<benzrf> it tries A::B::C::Foo
<benzrf> then ::Foo
<benzrf> *the previous example ends with ::Foo
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<j416> benzrf: ah, I see.
<benzrf> j416: so it wont look in B or A if you use module A::B::C; end
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<j416> benzrf: so in that case I would have to explicitly A::B::Foo if Foo is there?
<benzrf> yep
<benzrf> :I
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<benzrf> dont ask me why it works that way
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<j416> it would have been handy if they were equal
<benzrf> if i go to rubyconf im definitely gonna demand an explanation from matz during the q/a bit
<j416> oh well.
<benzrf> >:{
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<j416> :D
<j416> where is rubyconf?
<benzrf> i think its in cali this year
<j416> ooh.
<benzrf> during... september or something
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<benzrf> j416: incidentally this is why you can see constants from inside of methods
<benzrf> well not exactly i suppose o=
<atmosx> hey benzrf
<atmosx> long time no see
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<j416> benzrf: interesting
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<benzrf> sup atmosx
<benzrf> wanna try the super double pre pre pre alpha of quick
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<shevy> python is outracing the ruby guys!
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<benzrf> sweet.
<KevinSjoberg> What would be the best way to make a class represent itself as a hash as well? I have a class (basically a data object) with methods that return a certain value. There is very simple logic in each method.
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<taf2> Hello - I am seeing Encoding::UndefinedConversionError errors when I run code on one server but not the other servers… I am checking and both servers have what I believe to be identical versions of ruby… e.g. ruby 2.1.1p76 (2014-02-24 revision 45161) [x86_64-linux]
<shevy> KevinSjoberg can you reword that question
<taf2> I'm wondering anything else I can look at to figure out why one sever is giving errors while the other is not?
<shevy> KevinSjoberg you can define [] for your class
<shevy> KevinSjoberg and you can dynamically add or remove methods too
<jhass> taf2: different locales I bet
<taf2> jhass: ah okay… system level settings?
<jhass> yeah
<taf2> jhass: any other insight?
<jhass> make sure to use the same locale everywhere
<taf2> the error has this in it: "\xD7" from ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8
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<taf2> jhass: at the application level or system level… if system level… any insights into how that's set in linux?
<jhass> by setting LANG, LC_ALL and families, have a look at the output of `locale`. How to set it on boot depends on your init system
<taf2> identical on both systems...
<taf2> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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<taf2> and lots more references to en_US.UTF-8
<KevinSjoberg> shevy: Absolutely. I want to be able to represent my class as a hash. Is there a neat way to do this or will I have to define #to_h or #to_hash and then use meta programming for the representation?
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<shevy> Depends on how you define a "hash" object. You can define [] and []=method, and if you are fancy you can also add .has_key? and so forth
<jhass> taf2: is ruby -e "p Encoding.default_external" the same on both?
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<shevy> why you want to use meta programming sort of eludes me though
<taf2> #<Encoding:UTF-8>
<KevinSjoberg> shevy: basically I want a convenient way to take an instance of a object and pass it as an hash as parameters to another object.
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<shevy> I see
<jhass> taf2: then it's time to share what you're actually doing
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<shevy> KevinSjoberg jump to "With vanilla Ruby"
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<shevy> interesting that matz did not want Enumerable->Hash
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<shevy> kinda feels hackish to have to use instance_variables :\
<taf2> ok… let's see.. so i have code that is querying google analytics api… it's identical on both servers… it's running in resque workers… i've restarted on both systems.. i have interestingly found that when i reduce the problem - running the task in say a rails console i don't see this issue replicated… so it could be something specific with the user running resque...
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<taf2> the errors are happening on a call to puts actually..
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<taf2> i bet it could the stdout log files...
<KevinSjoberg> shevy: I've noticed that. Due note that this still meta programming ;)
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<shevy> is it?
<KevinSjoberg> shevy: Of course. :)
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<shevy> instance_variables just gives back an array of all @ivars
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<KevinSjoberg> shevy: Yes, but instance_variables knows about itself, i.e., metaprogramming.
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<shevy> eh
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<shevy> is self also metaprogramming? because self knows about itself :P
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<shevy> The API is so awful
<KevinSjoberg> shevy: there is room for improvement. :)
<shevy> I dunno :(
<shevy> Ruby uses so many strange constructs
<shevy> @@foo
<shevy> all $
<taf2> nah :)
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<shevy> all the various *eval ways
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<shevy> Foo.module_eval("CONSTANT")
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<KevinSjoberg> Yeah, indeed. Regarding metaprogramming. You can see everything classed as "dynamic" here: http://ruby-metaprogramming.rubylearning.com/
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<shevy> Fixnum.class_eval { def number; self; end }
<KevinSjoberg> Uck...
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<shevy> >> class Dog; end; Dog.instance_eval { def bark; puts 'The dog barks!; end }
<eval-in> shevy => /tmp/execpad-52c5b186766f/source-52c5b186766f:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/129569)
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<shevy> damn it
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<shevy> KevinSjoberg k, he grouped self as part of metaprogramming
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<shevy> "When does self change?"
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<KevinSjoberg> Yep.
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<taf2> jhass: ok… so it's something to do with logging… in the code that fails I take a string that has characters in it that trigger Encoding::UndefinedConversionError… when calling puts response # where response is from google analytics api...
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<jhass> taf2: you need to find out why that string hasn't the correct encoding it is in declared
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<taf2> jhass: i think i figured out at least what caused the issue… I run resque using resque-pool and had sent the HUP signal to reload after log rotation… so something related to that… doing a full restart the issue has gone away...
<taf2> but at least this means i can look into why sending a HUP to reload workers after log rotation will likely cause something to go wrong with locale
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<Hanmac> shevy yeah i already read that on fefe, did you read this? http://www.tagesspiegel.de/9686008.html
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<peta_> hi guys
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> Hanmac the younger the scarier ;)
<peta_> my ruby kung-foo skills are somewhat rusty – what is the difference between require "URI" and require "ui" … the docs state that the filenames used in require are case-sensitive … but obvious they are not
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<shevy> what the heck is ui
<peta_> require "uri" I mean
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<shevy> ok
<shevy> require 'URI' is a syntax error
<shevy> who taught you to use it? :)
<shevy> ok I lied
<shevy> it is not a syntax error but a LoadError
<peta_> no
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<peta_> I tried it in irb (1.8.7 bundled with Mac OS) and it loads and returns true
<Hanmac> peta_: ithink it depends on your OS and file system
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<shevy> hmm that makes sense on windows
<shevy> >> require 'uri'
<eval-in> shevy => true (https://eval.in/129589)
<shevy> >> require 'URI'
<eval-in> shevy => (https://eval.in/129590)
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<shevy> but the bot here disagrees
<shevy> upgrade!
<peta_> woot
<taf2> jhass: also this thread is crazy old but could be related: https://gist.github.com/defunkt/238999 … if you're still interested ready comment from ryansch
<taf2> s/ready/read/g
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<peta_> Hanmac: do you have any reference for this assumption? I have to explain why require "URI" worked flawlessly for several months now, despite it's the wrong case
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<Hanmac> peta_: on OSX case-sensity depends on the filesystem (you can set the filesystem to be case-insensity)
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<peta_> Hanmac: ok, thx. will investigate on this
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<BrianJ> what is the best way to check with line a word is on in a text file
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<apeiros> BrianJ: can't parse that question
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<shevy> BrianJ one simple way - use File.readlines, then grep
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<BrianJ> lets say I have a file that contains
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<BrianJ> nvm, I'm going to just create a pastie and post it
<apeiros> BrianJ: s/with/which/?
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<shevy> BrianJ have you started at all
<shevy> have you used File.readlines yet
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<BrianJ> current I'm opening the file and doing an each_line
<Hanmac> BrianJ: File.foreach(path).with_index.find {|l,i| l =~ /word/ }
<shevy> first answer gives one solution
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<BrianJ> i think with_index might solve my problem
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<BrianJ> thanks. I'll mess with it a bit
<bilbo_swaggins> is #with_index a method of Enumerable?
<bilbo_swaggins> I can just tack that on to any enumerable?
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<Hanmac> bilbo_swaggins: each_with_index is from Enumerable, with_index comes from Enumerator
<shevy> not sure
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<shevy> that confuses me always
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<shevy> Enumerable vs. Enumerator
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<Hanmac> shevy: Enumerator includes Enumerable
<bilbo_swaggins> that's badass
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> so Enumerator is the mother of all enumerations
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<bilbo_swaggins> #each_with_index is nice, but being able to just shove the index in at any time? even better
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<schu> i have a rather long text and need to strip away text parts that are enclosed in html <h2> tags (which means the whole <h2>something</h2> part has to go) - can anyone help me on how to do that in ruby?
<Hanmac> bilbo_swaggins: look at the difference
<Hanmac> >> [1,2,3,4].each.with_index.select{|_,i|i.even?}
<eval-in> Hanmac => [[1, 0], [3, 2]] (https://eval.in/129637)
<Hanmac> >> [1,2,3,4].each.select.with_index{|_,i|i.even?}
<eval-in> Hanmac => [1, 3] (https://eval.in/129638)
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<EminenceHC> I have a ruby script that starts a daemon. (http://daemons.rubyforge.org/) I am wondering if there is an easy way to send an email to someone if the daemon stops running for any reason?
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<apeiros> EminenceHC: such processes are called watchdog or monitor
<apeiros> there are plenty of tools for that
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<jhass> a popular ruby tool for that is god
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<bilbo_swaggins> schu, search for: ruby string delete regex
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<bilbo_swaggins> I tried to do "foo".delete /o/ but can't use regex for that :P
<bilbo_swaggins> There's gotta be a different way
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<chrisbolton> Anyone familiar with a way to handle testing a loop like (https://gist.github.com/Iknewthisguy/9895342) with minitest? The method keeps looping until the appropriate value is provided. This is more of a testing theory question than syntax.
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<EminenceHC> apeiros: I am not looking for a monitor process to restart it, I just want to be notified if it does stop through email. I am using this ruby function: http://daemons.rubyforge.org/Daemons.html
<jhass> chrisbolton: stub out whatever method blocks and waits for input and make it not block and wait for input
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<apeiros> EminenceHC: that's what a monitor process does too
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<EminenceHC> apeiros: Ok Ill try god.
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<aniM> Is there an irc channel for rails?
<aniM> or is this it?
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<apeiros> aniM: #ror, #rails, #rubyonrails
<apeiros> aniM: also mentioned on rails' website
<workmad3> aniM: #rubyonrails although #ror and #rails should boot you over to there if you try to join them... you need to be registered and identified with nickserv though
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<aniM> Awesome. Thank you guys!
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<robertodecurnex> Hello
<robertodecurnex> I was wondering if there is any discussion about the file names of the ruby std libs
<antihero> w/c
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<robertodecurnex> Most of the classes with name of more than one word are contained filenames of consecutive letters
<robertodecurnex> Examples: bigdecima, fileutils
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<robertodecurnex> It's really annoying since the require does not match the class included at all.
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<Hanmac> robertodecurnex: "bigdecimal" => BigDecimal ... so where is the problem?
<jhass> well, those tare the two big conventions, ruby stdlib vs rails
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<jhass> *are
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<robertodecurnex> There's no a programatival way of infere that (without a dictionary)
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<robertodecurnex> If you take the rubygems naming pattern you will see the difference
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<robertodecurnex> BigDecimal would be written under the big_decimal rb file
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<jhass> what does Abc::ABCFoo to?
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<jhass> *does map
<robertodecurnex> require 'big_dcimal'; BigDecimal
<robertodecurnex> Hanmac: words are splitted by undescores
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<robertodecurnex> And it's definitely not a rails thing
<jhass> robertodecurnex: what does Abc::ABCFoo map to?
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<robertodecurnex> Hate that example :P I really hate classes with multiple uppers
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<robertodecurnex> ChunkyPNG
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: you hating it doesn't make it go away
<robertodecurnex> puke :P
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<robertodecurnex> i know
<jhass> so I defeated your "programmtical way" argument
<robertodecurnex> but that0s another problem
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: IMO both rails and ruby convention are bad. I'd prefer ChunkyPNG.rb
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<apeiros> 1:1 mapping
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<robertodecurnex> apeiros, you have a good point
<apeiros> and yes, chunky_png.rb with ChunkyPng is a style which originated and was popularized by rails
<jhass> apeiros: do you actually do that in any project?
<robertodecurnex> Windows is the only problem here :S
<apeiros> jhass: no
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<apeiros> jhass: I prioritize conventions over my preferences.
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: how's that? (not a windows user, so don't know its pitfalls)
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<robertodecurnex> Me neither, but I like to make gems win compatible
<robertodecurnex> it's case insensitive
<Hanmac1> rails still cant do "kilobyte/kibibyte" right
<jhass> apeiros: I think windows still has case insensitive paths?
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: that shouldn't matter
<workmad3> jhass: so does OSX
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<robertodecurnex> so you can end up with 2 files
<workmad3> jhass: doesn't seem to be a problem there
<robertodecurnex> ChunkyPNG
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: as long as it's case preserving
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<robertodecurnex> and chunkypng
<Hanmac1> workmad3: for OSX it depends on the file system (as far as i know)
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: "I can end up" is not quite correct.
<robertodecurnex> working on *nix but not win
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: you have to actively do that
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<workmad3> Hanmac1: you can switch to a case sensitive system, I believe... I know someone who tried it, he said it broke a lot of OSX
<apeiros> jhass: OSX is also case insensitive by default
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<robertodecurnex> I have bugs periodically
<robertodecurnex> from people using win
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<robertodecurnex> They commit these kind of errors
<apeiros> and yes workmad3 & Hanmac1, you can switch to case sensitive hfsx
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<robertodecurnex> Again, I'm not having the problems, I'm stiking to the conventions, just checking what the community thinks
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<robertodecurnex> Rubygmes is creating patterns that do not follow ruby itself
<robertodecurnex> and that's lame
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<jhass> in my experience the rails convention is more popular but be prepared to run into the ruby convention
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<robertodecurnex> so, requiring a gem requires a logic that do not work for stdlibs
<robertodecurnex> it's not rails
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: ruby stdlib is inconsistent
<robertodecurnex> I'm a "rails way" heater
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: see ostruct, optparse
<robertodecurnex> it's rubygems
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<jhass> I'm not aware that rubygems enforces or recommends any style
<Hanmac1> ah you are coming from the not so bright side of ruby ;P
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<apeiros> jhass: because it does not :)
<robertodecurnex> hahaha, ostruct is too much for me :P
<robertodecurnex> guys, rubygems has guides
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<robertodecurnex> official guides
<robertodecurnex> and yes, there are aptterns
<robertodecurnex> not programatic validation, but convention patterns
<jhass> robertodecurnex: link to where it recommends a style?
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<jhass> thanks, didn't notice that one
<apeiros> ah, that's relatively new
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<robertodecurnex> I mean, we always say that we are predictable, and that you can write ruby following the common sence
<robertodecurnex> that's almost true
<apeiros> and good to know, will come in handy.
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<aliesky> hello everybody
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: I think it's mostly true. It could be better. It will never be perfectly so, though.
<aliesky> how can I read the data from a dropdown(multiple) in the ocntroller?
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<apeiros> aliesky: and you're talking about… rails? rubymotion? gtk?
<aliesky> apeiros: rails
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<apeiros> aliesky: then I suggest you use #rubyonrails
<aliesky> ah thanks
<aliesky> join /rubyonrails
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<robertodecurnex> aliesky: "this is not the IRC youa re looking for" jedi hand wave here
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<benzrf> yo anybody wanna try quick
<benzrf> o3o
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<robertodecurnex> apeiros Hanmac1 jhass Thank you for your input! That was me fighting against the windmills once again.
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: yeah, those windmills are obnoxious enemies! very fiendish.
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<Hanmac> yeah, when railists once again try to change core Hash so it treats Symbol and String equal ,P
<apeiros> Hanmac: that doesn't go far enough! it should also treat array and hash keys equal!
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<Hanmac> apeiros: did you know that ruby has dynamic and static Symbols now? ;P
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<jhass> apeiros: Hanmac and a mixed mode, like php does!
<apeiros> Hanmac: now != will have :-p
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<apeiros> Hanmac: but yes, I know ruby will in the future GC symbols
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<apeiros> (unless the patch gets thrown out again, that is)
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<robertodecurnex> I wont start that discussion, to much dirty words would fall from my mouth :P
<jhass> is that because all the webdevs are unable to not convert user input to symbols?
<robertodecurnex> One of the firts things a teach to new comers are Jim's polite programming talk + the breand new refinements
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<jhass> hm, do you guys use refinements by now?
<Hanmac> jhass: *goes into Boromir Pose* "no one simply convert user input into symbols" ;P
<robertodecurnex> I do, not much, but have been playing with them
<workmad3> Hanmac: s/no one/one does not/
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<robertodecurnex> be awear of text to symbol conversion
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<robertodecurnex> i'ts not safe, at all
<robertodecurnex> It's eaven better to move everything to string (ugly but safer)
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<jhass> maybe we should rename String#to_sym to String#to_sym_i_state_that_this_is_not_user_input_in_any_way
<jhass> and alias it to to_s at the same time
<jhass> just to confuse the people even more
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<robertodecurnex> symbols create references that do not die until the process does. Even if there is no user reference to them.
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<banister_> jhass r u having me on
<apeiros> jhass: too many 1.9 projects, therefore not using refinements at all atm
<robertodecurnex> Time to move on!
<robertodecurnex> 2.1.1, you wont regreat it
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<robertodecurnex> notes: do not use RVM (at least not on prod)
<robertodecurnex> do not use precompiled packages
<apeiros> we use rvm on prod. works fine.
<robertodecurnex> do it your self
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<robertodecurnex> Do you have memory+cpu usage metrics?
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<apeiros> yes, why?
<robertodecurnex> apeiros: try to compile it on that machine and compaere them
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<robertodecurnex> apeirons: how much time it takes to install ruby usign RVM? much less than the compiler does.
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: until sysops says it uses too much juice, I see no reason to expend that time
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<robertodecurnex> apeiros: ¬_¬
<apeiros> unless you work for free, economics matter
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<Xeago> company I'm at runs contained packages of rbenv, each with their own ruby
<robertodecurnex> My teammates didn't get why I got so exited compiling things. I made a video to show them how it feels insede : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sip2gxmkfOI
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<Xeago> compiled on each machine, several apps (each with their own container)
<robertodecurnex> economics ?
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<robertodecurnex> apeiros: how ?
<robertodecurnex> apeiros: I usually work with lot of workers, that proces things 24/7
<robertodecurnex> apeiros: at leat for me it was a WIN
<apeiros> robertodecurnex: a day of my time costs X, value generated by ruby running 10% faster 0, X > 0.
<robertodecurnex> apeiros: but cant see how it can produce looses
<Xeago> robertodecurnex: if he is fixing that, he is not increasing user value
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<Xeago> which is the expectation, thus a net loss
<Xeago> even tho there is no actual loss, but there is a loss over time
<apeiros> machines and electrical power are cheap. human labor isn't.
<robertodecurnex> apeiros: until things get slow enought and you loose not 1 but 3 days + users that can not use the platform in the meantime
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: that's not what will happen ;-)
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<apeiros> and if it happens, rvm -> handcompiling won't be the solution
<robertodecurnex> apeiros: it will, you may be working elsewere, that's another thing :P
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<Xeago> if your architecture is sound, it doesn't matter how long the setup takes, as long as it is bounded by cost and time
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: it would have to happen overnight. which it doesn't.
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<erikruthven> Hi what would be best strategy to click a button and then trigger a long background process at that moment?
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<apeiros> robertodecurnex: also it won't happen because existing code will run faster over time, not slower (new hardware)
<apeiros> so no, it won't happen.
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<jhass> erikruthven: in Rails? -> #rubyonrails (though look at resque / sidekiq)
<apeiros> if new software is "too slow"™, somebody will have to make a decision as to how much time we spend to make it "fast enough"™
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<xiphias> slow code that scales is better than fast code that doesn't scale
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<xiphias> i <3 that code
<xiphias> er, quote
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<apeiros> xiphias: I don't think I'd support such a blanko statement :)
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<apeiros> xiphias: if you add in "all other considerations equal" it'd get better. but then it can still be off-reality. 1e9*n scales better than n**1.001, yet it may be very well a horrible choice for all practical values of n
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<benzrf> p-please
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<benzrf> can somebody try quick
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<benzrf> :_(
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: what ?
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<robertodecurnex> I just saw your kitten fac
<robertodecurnex> *face
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: i need somebody to try out my gem
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: is o3o actually you gem ?
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<benzrf> no
<benzrf> it is quick
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<shevy> /Programs/Ruby/2.1.1/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/gems/ttfunk-1.1.1/lib/ttfunk/directory.rb:8: warning: assigned but unused variable - entry_selector
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<shevy> anyone knows of a way to suppress these warnings?
<shevy> it's from a third party (prawn)
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: I could, but you have no docs, no repo... hard to try such a gem
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<shevy> benzrf add docu!
<shevy> usage example!
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<shevy> 10 lines
<benzrf> >:o
<shevy> we all work though these stages
<benzrf> f-fine!
<robertodecurnex> benzrf: dependencies... its' libfuse dependent
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<shevy> yeah
<benzrf> yep
<shevy> show dependencies as well!
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<benzrf> ¬_¬
<shevy> ("You must have coderay installed, but not higher than 1.0.x.")
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<benzrf> =[
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<benzrf> shevy: thats not a thing for quick
<benzrf> thats for one of its dumb deps
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> that sucks
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<benzrf> indeed
<shevy> you depend on the other deps and their requirements then
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<robertodecurnex> Picking dependencies is not easy
<shevy> actually, if that is true then this is a flaw in gems itself :\
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<shevy> robertodecurnex that is ok but how can a user, who knows what he is doing, easily overrule that?
<shevy> I'm gonna ask on #rubygems
<robertodecurnex> writing the ruby implementation :P
<robertodecurnex> we lack of tons of them
<shevy> yeah
<robertodecurnex> I mean, we still depend on libmisal, zlib, most of the images codecs libs
<shevy> I think it all does not help that gem was an afterthought
<robertodecurnex> ligbit
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<robertodecurnex> I'm always trying to remove such dependencies from my projects
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<robertodecurnex> but it takes time man :S And there is not much people willing to do the low level work
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<shevy> I can imagine
<shevy> I myself don't use the ~> dependency as requirement though
<robertodecurnex> I mean, did you ever try to install RMagik ?
<robertodecurnex> That's probably the best example
<shevy> well
<robertodecurnex> of how horrible thigs can be done :S
<shevy> RMagick kinda died years ago or?
<robertodecurnex> kinda...
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<Elico> anyone have worked with moneta?
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<shevy> If a gem project would include some .pdf docu, would people actually read that?
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<shevy> (one .pdf file)
<benzrf> shevy: robertodecurnex: ok how is this for a sample usage :I
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<benzrf> ^pretty cruddy
<robertodecurnex> ibmysqlclient-dev build-essential openssl libreadline6-dev zlib1g-dev libssl-dev libyaml-dev libsqlite3-dev libxml2-dev libxslt-dev autoconf libc6-dev ncurses-dev automake libtool libqt4-dev libqtwebkit-dev freetds-dev
<robertodecurnex> those are my base OS dependencies before even try to compile ruby :S
<shevy> robertodecurnex omg those deps are deadly
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<robertodecurnex> (leaving aside that ruby need .... RUBY to be compiled)
<shevy> why is qt4-dev there
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<robertodecurnex> I do a lot of automation work
<shevy> nope, ruby does not need ruby installed if you use a tarball release
<robertodecurnex> ......
<robertodecurnex> get you 1.9 tarball and make it
<robertodecurnex> come back after that
<benzrf> use ruby-install
<robertodecurnex> :P
<shevy> I did
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<shevy> I compile all my software from source
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<benzrf> shevy: ur nuts
<robertodecurnex> autoconf; make; make install
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<shevy> benzrf the showterm is ok but it's a bit long; I think a static file reference would be good too
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<benzrf> :I
<robertodecurnex> Don't make me createa virtual machine just for this! please dont! :P
<shevy> robertodecurnex why do you use autoconf?
<benzrf> robertodecurnex: u just need to install libfuse-dev that is all o=
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: I did
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<benzrf> and it does not install?
<robertodecurnex> I just like to complaint, he
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: can u into `gem install quick`
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: I'v just did
<robertodecurnex> benzrf: what now?
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: sweet
<benzrf> ok, first step is to do `quick start --foreground`
<benzrf> o wait
<benzrf> `quick start some_dir --foreground`
<benzrf> obv. w/out quotes
<robertodecurnex> problem there man
<benzrf> hmm?
<robertodecurnex> seems like you are not setting your bins correctly
<benzrf> oh it will complain about perms
<benzrf> wu?
<benzrf> whats the problem
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<robertodecurnex> checking your gemfile....
<benzrf> o-O
<robertodecurnex> gemspqc i mean
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<benzrf> :|
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: weird, executables are there.
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<benzrf> o=
<benzrf> what happens when u run that command?
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<robertodecurnex> nothing, let me run the executable directly, but seems to be a problem of my setup
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<benzrf> o-o
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: nothing as in, no such exec?
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: are you trying to write over the fuse cofig file ?
<benzrf> no
<benzrf> it just does that>.>
<benzrf> ignore it
<benzrf> it works fine anyway
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: ok now that it is running u can interact with it!
<benzrf> cd into the dir you mounted it on
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: whats in it
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<robertodecurnex> benzrf: tons of dirs
<benzrf> coo
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: those are modules under Object
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<benzrf> each of them contains their submodules
<benzrf> etc.
<benzrf> robertodecurnex: you can use quick subcommands to interact with the running instance for the dir youre in
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: try 'quick class Foo'
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: i accidentally left in a debug print, pls ignore it
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: you should now see a new dir called Foo
<benzrf> this corresponds to ::Foo
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<benzrf> robertodecurnex: cd into it
<robertodecurnex> benzrf: move to private
<benzrf> robertodecurnex: hmm?
<benzrf> aha righ
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<bryanculver> Does anyone know if there is a way to put a delay on the login of Net::SSH?
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<atmosx> delay the login?
<atmosx> sleep 160 ?
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<bryanculver> It's trying too fast to login before the destination ready to accept the password
<bryanculver> destination is ready*
<atmosx> bryanculver: sleep..
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<atmosx> destination you mean the remote ssh server?
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<bryanculver> Yes
<atmosx> it never occured me that it takes some time
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<atmosx> anyway, you can use sleep
<atmosx> sleep keyword in the script, in many languages from ruby to bash
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<atmosx> bryanculver: you could use expect https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/83119
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<bryanculver> OK, I'll try that if sleep doesn't work
<atmosx> to not relay on timing at all.
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<atmosx> I'd go the other way around, try the expect first, and then the sleep... Expect might be way faster in many circumstances and less error-prone
<atmosx> anyway bbl
<bryanculver> OK
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<Guest32172> Hi. What's the right way to avoid name collisions in mixins?
<Guest32172> Right now all my methods are too verbose in my opinion. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/608214/scrn/1396289343.png
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<crome> code screenshot
<crome> wow
<jhass> Guest32172: maybe use more composition
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<Guest32172> jhass, I didn't get you. How will composition help me?
<jhass> class A; end; class B; def initialize; @a = A.new; end; end; over module A; end; class B; include A; end;
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<Guest32172> Let's assume that it must be a mixin.
<jhass> Let's assume it must not
<jhass> and now?
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> if I have an array like [['cat','tom'], ['mouse','jerry']], what would be a simple way to put this into a cvs file?
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<Guest32172> jhass, I would also prefer to assume that it must not, but it really must.
<jhass> good thing "it must" is not a reason that it must
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<sn0wb1rd> Is it possible to obtain a rubygem's require path programmatically using Rubygems? For example, we need to use require 'net/ssh' for net-ssh rubygem.
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<jhass> sn0wb1rd: let me pull out my shiny new bookmark: http://guides.rubygems.org/name-your-gem/
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<jhass> but there's no guarantee in any way, no
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<sn0wb1rd> jhass: correct, I use that naming convention myself but wanted to make sure if there is any way to know that information and not simply guessing.
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<havenwood> shevy: looks like: CSV.open('example.csv', 'wb') { |csv| [["cat", "tom"], ["mouse", "jerry"]].each { |row| csv << row } }
<jhass> rubygems doesn't enforce anything so nobody prevents me from uploading a gem that's named foo, contains lib/bar.rb and class Baz in it
<jhass> and I see no way to reliably detect that
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<benzrf> shevy: dont use csv
<benzrf> use json
<benzrf> csv is for scrubs
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<shevy> I need it to feed R
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<benzrf> R is lame and so are yuo
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<benzrf> *you
<shevy> it's actually the first time I need csv
<shevy> thanks havenwood, kinda weird API
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<havenwood> Hanmac: :O
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<benzrf> Hanmac: >using cheezburge
<benzrf> r
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<werdnativ> Can someone answer why a gem says it's installed when it's actually not? https://gist.github.com/avit/502d3c9ebd78e19f2cc2
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<spstarr_work> :)))
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<jhass> werdnativ: add gem env output please
<havenwood> werdnativ: I'm not an rbenv user, but usually seems shims are the culprit. Have you tried?: rbenv rehash
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<centrx> shimmy shim shims
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<toretore> werdnativ: `which gem` ?
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<werdnativ> gist updated with details ^, thanks guys
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<mheinke> im having an issue, installing a gem (berkshelf) and getting this error... buff-ruby_engine requires Ruby version >= 1.9.2..... ruby -v says i have greater then or equal to 1.9.2... any thoughts?
<werdnativ> havenwood yes, tried rbenv rehash
<shevy> werdnativ perhaps you have multiple install dirs
<mheinke> google has been useless
<dangerousdave> what are the tests called that check multiple components work together to give the desired outcome?
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<werdnativ> dangerousdave: integration
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<shevy> dangerousdave: component tests!
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<werdnativ> dangerousdave: or "acceptance" for desired outcome.
<shevy> integrated unit tests
<werdnativ> integrated != unit
<havenwood> `which gem`, `whence gem`, `command -v gem`, `where gem`, `which-command` or `whereis gem`
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<dangerousdave> thanks all!
<havenwood> which-command gem**
<jhass> werdnativ: hmm, nothing too wrong so far, what about gem which active_support?
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<werdnativ> jhass: yeah. weird. gem which active_support = ERROR: Can't find ruby library file or shared library active_support
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<werdnativ> I installed activesupport in the scope of an app bundle with --deployment
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<jhass> oh
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<jhass> interesting that gem list lists it
<werdnativ> now I'm installing some other gems. I'm expecting it should not find those other ones.
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<werdnativ> yeah
<jhass> try bundle exec ruby ...
<werdnativ> jhass: this is outside the bundle now.
<jhass> well you can't use gems installed with --deployment outside of that bundle
<werdnativ> for bluepill
<jhass> that's about the point of doing it
<werdnativ> yeah, I know... but gem install bluepill outside the bundle depends on active_support, and it fails!
<jhass> gem install activesupport by hand then?
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<werdnativ> I guess! but why?
<jhass> not sure!
<jhass> probably shared /home/deploy/.gem/specs
<Hanmac> werdnativ: did you try to install active support again? maybe it goes a "hicup" while swiching versions with rbenv?
<werdnativ> btw, this is for a chef recipe, so "by hand", oh yay. :(
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<jhass> well, by hand = make that gem install activesupport runs
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<jhass> maybe with the right -v
<werdnativ> Hanmac: I'm not switching any versions, I only have global 2.1.1
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<havenwood> werdnativ: you should have gotten activesupport when you installed bluepill. does it not work no matter what dir you're in?
<werdnativ> interesting that gem install active_support gets 3.0.0, outside of any bundle
<spstarr_work> my first ruby class :))
<werdnativ> havenwood: no, because it thinks it's installed. it shows up in gem list
<jhass> werdnativ: the gem is named activesupport
<werdnativ> yes, but the require is 'active_support'
<jhass> yes
<havenwood> werdnativ: Rails folk are nuts, active_support != activesupport
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<werdnativ> oh, I see for install
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<werdnativ> thanx, always f that up
<toretore> you can require both with and without _ though
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<havenwood> werdnativ: following convention *usually* doesn't burn you like that, but yeah i do that all the time too.
<havenwood> the `active_support` gem needs yanking badly
<werdnativ> still not the problem tho... that's just from installing manually
<havenwood> what a mess
<werdnativ> +1
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<havenwood> 278,189 downloads
<havenwood> a quarter-million confused people
<havenwood> though probably a lot of people doing it over and over >.>
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<werdnativ> odd how tight rails is about naming conventions and they screwed this one up...
<Hanmac> havenwood: confused like that? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8121950464/h4AC2EF7D/
<havenwood> Hanmac: ...
<havenwood> Hanmac: oh my
<havenwood> Hanmac: i'd say worse than that actually ;P
<werdnativ> Hanmac: my wife showed me that, I was like, ...and? what? Until I got it.
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<Hanmac> i mean there ARE legitimate reasons do to it like that on the image ... but thats only because APPLE fucked the Hardware up ... :/
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<werdnativ> Yeah, I think they started with the different power levels over USB for charging original iPad, but I think that's standardized by now.
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<crystal77> I want my app to do something, when a new item from an rss feed is posted. How would I get started? Poll it every minute? Seems very server intensive.
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<havenwood> trying to find a way to contact the active_support gem owner to ask for it to be yanked
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<jhass> crystal77: depending on the server 1/minute can be justifiable. Technology wise there's Pubsubhubbub to solve that problem, if your app is a webapp
<jhass> and the server supports it
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<RubyPanther> crystal77: the old-school way is to do a HEAD instead of a GET, so the server only has to send you the headers, and you can check if the content changed before requesting it
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<RubyPanther> polite for RSS is 5 or 10 minutes, I think
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<crystal77> Well, I don't control the RSS feed, so I guess I just fetch it every minute, store the contents in a database, if the newest record different, do my thing?
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<crystal77> These are server outages, and we need it to be by the minute (our service provider) :p
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<RubyPanther> no, you the headers every minute, and fetch the content if it has changed
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<havenwood> well, started a ticket on one of the active_support gem author's other repos asking if he'll yank, looks like he deleted active_support
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<havenwood> deleted the repo, but didn't yank the gem*
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<jhass> crystal77: also check stuff like If-modified-since, ETags etc.
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<crystal77> Let me check..
<jhass> yeah, I feel like we need some kind of community process to take down / free gem names in the mid term
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<crystal77> jhass: Looks like that might work: http://pastie.org/8983434
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<benzrf> hej da
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<benzrf> DouweM: dude i got quick set up with a real command n everything 8D
<werdnativ> I filed an issue, not sure where the error lies but I think it's something with bundler --deployment: https://github.com/bundler/bundler/issues/2955
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<benzrf> dang bbl
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<DouweM> benzrf|offline: watwat, nice :)
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<havenwood> try a `gem install active_support` now :)
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<havenwood> \o/
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<centrx> This gem has been yanked, but it is still available for download for other gems that may have depended on it.
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<havenwood> now if they'd just yank `activesupport`... :P
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<shevy> haha
<havenwood> j/k j/k
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<centrx> Rails is awesome
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<centrx> And this channel needs to ban its spammers
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> this damn spam bot
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<havenwood> werdnativ: are you per chance using rbenv-bundler or rbenv-binstubs?
<benzrf> hey yo
<benzrf> DouweM: wanna give fuse another shot o-o
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<DouweM> benzrf: not right now, watching a show
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<benzrf> :[
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<benzrf> b-but nobody else atm seems like a promising target for harassment!
<werdnativ> havenwood: no, just rbenv
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<DouweM> :')
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<havenwood> werdnativ: what do you get for?: which bundle
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<havenwood> /opt/rbenv/shims/bundle or something else?
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<werdnativ> havenwood: yes /opt/rbenv/shims/bundle
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<werdnativ> havenwood: but I'm actually interested in installing some global gems outside of bundle
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<havenwood> werdnativ: Any rbenv plugins at all installed?: ls ~/.rbenv/plugins/*
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<werdnativ> ls /opt/rbenv/plugins: rbenv-vars ruby_build
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<werdnativ> not sure if rbenv-vars is doing anything, I haven't loaded any of my own vars yet; I could try removing that.
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<havenwood> werdnativ: i'd say ask #rbenv but there isn't one afaik
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<werdnativ> havenwood: thanks. I'll just wait and see if anyone responds to my github issue.
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<werdnativ> working around it in the meantime
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<benzrf> woot
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<jokgbo> How do I take a Gemfile with no versions and ask Bundler to generate one with pinned versions?
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<apeiros> jokgbo: you run bundle, it generates the Gemfile.lock
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<atmosx> AI Racing competition, there's ruby to.
<atmosx> too
<atmosx> although I have no idea how to approach a task like that
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<havenwood> jokgbo: Checkout the pessimize gem: https://github.com/joonty/pessimize#readme
<benzrf> hej da
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<jokgbo> aperios: i want a Gemfile with pinned versions, Gemfile.lock also has gems that are brought in as dependencies.
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<apeiros> jokgbo: hint, people only get highlighted if you spell their nicks correctly. tab completion helps.
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<shevy> apieros
<shevy> help me
<apeiros> jokgbo: you'll have to take the versions from the .lock and put it in the Gemfile manually. Gemfile is ruby code. properly amending versions is non-trivial.
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<apeiros> /kick shevy :-p
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<jokgbo> apeiros: thanks for the hint as well as the suggestion to manually pick out the versions from the .lock file to the Gemfile, doing that now.
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<jokgbo> apeiros: basically I am rectifying a project that has unpinned versions in the Gemfile by pinning down everything. wish bundler had a automatic way of doing that.
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<havenwood> jokgbo: did you look at the pessimize gem ^ i linked?
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<jokgbo> havenwood: thanks, checking out pessimize right now.
<benzrf> apeiiiiiiiiiiros
<benzrf> [try quick]
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<benzrf> ^subliminal messaging
<havenwood> jokgbo: gem install pessimize && pessimize -c patch
<havenwood> (if you want a pessimistic version constraint at the patch level)
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<jokgbo> out of curiosity, do you folks check in Gemfile.lock into source control? this is a stand-alone ruby project not a gem itself.
<havenwood> jokgbo: no for gems, yes for apps
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<benzrf> jokgbo: i do not
<benzrf> i see no reason to o=
<jokgbo> yeah that's what I am planning on doing -- checking in the damn thing so someone else in the future doesn't go through the dep-hell i'm going through.
<atmosx> When I make changes and a test fails I wanna kill myself
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<shevy> atmosx hahaha :D
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<shevy> atmosx what are you coding right now?
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<atmosx> shevy: rails
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<shevy> atmosx fancy colours!
<atmosx> shevy: yeah I love this theme
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<atmosx> jellybeans or something
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<thrillagorilla> I need to implement a background queuing mechanism to control execution of external command by multiple users. Does anyone have suggestions for good code to read for reference?
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<ernetas> Hey guys.
<ernetas> I'm pretty much a newbie here...
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<ernetas> Bundle update shows:
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<ernetas> Using rack-ssl 1.3.3 from source at vendor/gems/rack-ssl
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<ernetas> But runing rails does not find this gem. What could be the issue?
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<ernetas> Meaning: /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.1.0/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/dependency.rb:298:in `to_specs': Could not find 'rack-ssl' (~> 1.3.2) among 144 total gem(s) (Gem::LoadError)
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<arubincloud> ernetas: How are you running rails?
<arubincloud> Are you using bundle exec?
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<ernetas> From command line "rails s -d -p 3333 -P /tmp/main.pid -e cucumber". For installing deps. I'm using bundle update.
<arubincloud> Try adding bundle exec before that.
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<ernetas> Hm.. Thanks, seems like working. A bit weird given that older systems worked without bundle exec... Maybe someone installed that gem by hand... :/
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<near77> hi
<near77> anyone uses the redis gem?
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<benzrf> near77: i dont sorry
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<methods> why would JSON.load try to resolve A::B strings as constants? and how could I turn that off
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<DouweM> methods: wait what. I'm pretty sure it shouldn't do that.
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<methods> that's what i would think
<DouweM> then it's probably some other piece of code doing that
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<methods> maybe it's pretty_generate then
<methods> I just wrote a quick one liner that loads up a json file, deletes some hash entries, and then writes back
<DouweM> code?
<DouweM> and error
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<shevy> the error-code!
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<methods> wow
<methods> try this otu
<methods> JSON.load('{"json_class":"A::B"}')
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<benzrf> is there likemike
<benzrf> *like
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<benzrf> a small gem that takes a parser and dumper and a file name
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<methods> it's documented.. never knew about it though
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<benzrf> and passes the parsed result to a block, then redumps it when the block is over
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<benzrf> so you could do like
<benzrf> hypothetical('foo.json', :json) {|j| j[:foo] = 'bar'}
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<shevy> benzrf lol yes there is likemike
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<methods> JSON.load() doesn't appear to even care about the create_additions option but JSON.parse doesn't give me the issue at all
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<atmosx> methods: then use whatever suits you
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<atmosx> is there any software to generate simultaneous connections, in order to test how an RPi running rails/PGSQL handles the pressure?
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<methods> well I usually use JSON.load($stdin)
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<atmosx> I used only parse
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<momomomomo> oh oops thought this was #postgresql
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<atmosx> momomomomo: will work for me anyway :-)
<atmosx> thanks
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<momomomomo> atmosx: You could use http://jmeter.apache.org/ if you want to connect to the actual app and have it serve
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<atmosx> momomomomo: yes but I'm not planning to use Apache.. but I gather that's general purpose and it's exactly what I was looking for.
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<atmosx> 4.6 MB/s over WiFi...
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<atmosx> not really bad
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<momomomomo> atmosx: I’m not sure you’re aware of what apache is… it’s not just the http server http://www.apache.org/
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<atmosx> momomomomo: Yeah, although I don't use any of the apache projects
<atmosx> momomomomo: or the licenses
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<benzrf> ppppping
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<atmosx> rpi is slow...
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<atmosx> jesus, it takes a lifetime to install the gems :-/
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<atmosx> night all
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<benzrf> night atmosx
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<benzrf> any new volunteers to try quick
<benzrf> :D
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<whatasunnyday> Hey. Do people usually write service objects with one public method being and exposed and the rest private? Is that indicative of code smell?
<whatasunnyday> I’m asking because I’m new to writing rails and service objects and that’s exactly what I did.
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<shevy> whatasunnyday dunno, I usually write on a class until it does what it needs to do, then I move on
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<whatasunnyday> shevy: fair enough
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<shinobi_one> >> puts “Hello.”
<eval-in> shinobi_one => undefined local variable or method `“Hello' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/129923)
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<shinobi_one> wat
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<shinobi_one> >> puts “some string”
<eval-in> shinobi_one => undefined local variable or method `string”' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/129924)
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<whatasunnyday> >> puts “‘wat’”
<eval-in> whatasunnyday => undefined local variable or method `“‘wat’”' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/129925)
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<whatasunnyday> >> puts Object.to_s
<eval-in> whatasunnyday => Object ... (https://eval.in/129926)
<shinobi_one> hm
<whatasunnyday> i think its because the quotes are curly
<shevy> you have some funny characters shinobi_one
<whatasunnyday> >> puts “hello”
<eval-in> whatasunnyday => undefined local variable or method `“hello”' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/129930)
<shevy> :)
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<whatasunnyday> >> puts w{Hello}
<eval-in> whatasunnyday => undefined method `w' for main:Object (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/129931)
<centrx> Is this some kind of joke
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> first april!
<shevy> php rules the world
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<centrx> P...H...P...?
<shinobi_one> lol
<shinobi_one> i think i’ve broken it :-\
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<shinobi_one> >> puts %w{broken it}
<eval-in> shinobi_one => broken ... (https://eval.in/129933)
<shevy> >> puts 'it works fine!'
<eval-in> shevy => it works fine! ... (https://eval.in/129934)
<shinobi_one> >> puts ‘noo'
<eval-in> shinobi_one => /tmp/execpad-ab09aced0b5b/source-ab09aced0b5b:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/129935)
<shevy> >> puts 'PHP is so awesome.'
<eval-in> shevy => PHP is so awesome. ... (https://eval.in/129936)
<shevy> you and your invalid utf strings!
<shinobi_one> my encoding for this app is set to UTF-8
<shinobi_one> >.>
<shinobi_one> on my screen they look fine!
<shinobi_one> i promise
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<shinobi_one> >> puts ‘try again'
<eval-in> shinobi_one => /tmp/execpad-482baaf7065a/source-482baaf7065a:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/129937)
<shinobi_one> the hell
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<shinobi_one> >> puts ‘better now?'
<eval-in> shinobi_one => /tmp/execpad-d4d7132ed3b5/source-d4d7132ed3b5:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/129938)
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<shinobi_one> huh
<shevy> on my ISO IRC client you have lots of funny invalid characters
<shevy> why is your last ' different to the first '
<shinobi_one> that is strange, haven’t change any settings, it says it’s UTF-8 and all looks well from my end haha
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<shinobi_one> oh they are different
<shinobi_one> ‘’
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<shinobi_one> hm
<shevy> yeah I notice that they are different
<shinobi_one> well i have no idea
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<shinobi_one> my quotes are all sad
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<uxfi> Hi all I seem to have this issue with weechat
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<uxfi> Its an RUby issue and not sure if anyone here has had it
<RowdyChildren> ##ruby
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<GNUUU> Good Night
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<GNUUU> Good Night
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