#ruby on 2014-03-14 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-02-24 18:48 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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00:01 <shevy> is he programming?

00:01 <Nowaker> terrifying is, such old guys don't yet understand how fun it's to play with kids ;)

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00:01 <Nowaker> (already got two daughters ;))

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00:01 <shevy> Nowaker if you have the time and money sure

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00:01 <DouweM> I'm all technology, 33yo is mostly design and some programming, 58yo does mostly marketing and the business side of things

00:01 <Nowaker> hehe with kids you won't have the latter

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00:02 <shevy> hehehe

00:02 <DouweM> I thought all programmers were rich? :P

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00:02 <Nowaker> or with the wife especially

00:02 <csmrfx> all relative to the size of your steeple

00:02 <shevy> Nowaker but then you still have time? how does the money flow in? :P

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00:03 <shevy> DouweM some are! a friend is programming MS macros all the time (excel crap, probably msoffice too, I dunno) and he made a fortune

00:03 <Nowaker> I don't cause I, besides programming, also runs business. most people just do 8 hours work so they have plenty of time

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00:03 <DouweM> shevy: :|

00:04 <csmrfx> you have as much time as you make

00:04 <DouweM> csmrfx: not so if you have too many obligations

00:04 <csmrfx> well you make rid of the extra things then

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00:05 <csmrfx> for most people, especially people smart enough to code, its just a little game you play in your head

00:05 <csmrfx> but then, thats kinda off topic here 8)

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00:05 <DouweM> well, "too many" isn't really right. But I'm getting my bachelor's degree and I have a job, so I'm quite busy most of the time

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00:13 <charliesome> >> RUBY_VERSION

00:13 <eval-in> charliesome => "2.1.0" (https://eval.in/119900)

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00:15 <DouweM> updating eval.in?

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00:17 <charliesome> DouweM: nah just showing a friend

00:17 <DouweM> all right

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00:20 <Asitha> hi there

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00:25 <Asitha> Was wondering if someone could help me figure this out. I'm trying to create a tournament winner scenario that works recursively and it wont matter how many players there are as long as there is 2n players.

00:25 <Asitha> given that the number of players is correct, I want to be able to recursively find the winner and move them onto the next level.

00:25 <Asitha> https://gist.github.com/asithade/9539807

00:25 <Asitha> But for some reason, my check doesn't get past the first sub-round, it keeps trying to go through the array even after the winner for that round has been decided

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00:26 <centrx> Asitha, Where is the logic that is supposed to stop it?

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00:26 <Cornflake> return rps_game_winner(finals)

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00:26 <Cornflake> or the is_match function

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00:29 <Asitha> centrx, the is_match function is supposed to stop it right

00:29 <Asitha> and return the winner

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00:30 <centrx> Asitha, You need to use "break" to end the loop

00:30 <bnagy> imho don't mix iteration ( like each ) with recursion

00:30 <bnagy> you'll just confuse yourself

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00:30 <Asitha> where would I put the break

00:30 <bnagy> if it's a recursive reduction just have def reduce; # return if done; #logic; reduce(remaining)

00:31 <bnagy> that's the basic skeleton of any programming exercise recursion

00:31 <bnagy> and ( again imho ) that's the only kind you should use

00:31 <bnagy> iterative algs are just easier on everyone

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00:31 <bnagy> few problems are naturally recursive

00:32 <Asitha> where would I put the break

00:32 <Asitha> oops

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00:32 <Asitha> sorry was meant to press up enter on console

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00:34 <chuck_> how would you guys shorten this code so it fits more closely to 80 columns? https://gist.github.com/cmelbye/0fac9918ecf41f4c5483

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00:35 <bnagy> with linebreaks

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00:36 <bnagy> just use a normal unless blah, then press the key on the right side of the keyboard above shift, then put in the logic

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00:40 <chuck_> hah

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00:45 <Asitha> sorry was meant to press up enter on console

00:45 <bnagy> skills

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00:46 <Asitha> xD

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00:50 <bricker`LA> How do you get something like this in ruby: "sha1$4910774a$1$d9ad69e6b7be6dd2fd4767dda957ed47a582c7e3" ?

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00:50 <bricker`LA> Digest::SHA1.hexdigest() only generates the hash

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00:50 <bricker`LA> but I've seen this format in many places

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00:51 <bnagy> that looks like a ( stupid ) hashed / salted secret

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00:52 <bricker`LA> what's stupid about it?

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00:52 <bnagy> Digest will only sha1 stuff for you - you need to salt etc yourself

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00:52 <bnagy> using sha1 for passwords is stupid ( should use bcrypt / scrypt )

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00:53 <bnagy> substitute 'stored secret of any kind' for passwords, obviously

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01:16 <pipework> bnagy: For people who don't understand cryptography, I'd suggest they use securerandom.

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01:16 <pipework> with bcrypt, sorry.

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01:20 <bnagy> I don't have a very strong opinion on bcrypt vs scrypt, they're both so much better than salted hashes

01:20 <bnagy> but I'd use scrypt given a choice

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01:38 <noodman> I'm using nokogiri and I'll trying to select a div class but it is just returning empty. The div class is definitely in the raw html. Does nokogiri css selector not like class names with dashes i.e. div.this-class ?

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01:40 <centrx> noodman, It should work

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01:45 <noodman> centrx: could there be anything in the html throwing it off?

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01:46 <centrx> noodman, Yes, that is a likelihood

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01:49 <noodman> centrx: do you know a good reference for things in the html that might throw it off?

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01:51 <centrx> noodman, I don't know. Nokogiri is not especially tolerant of malformed HTML

01:51 <centrx> noodman, You'd have to learn HTML :)

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01:51 <noodman> centre: I think the html is fine, the site providers has explicated tried to stop scraping so i think it might be something there

01:51 <centrx> That is quite possible

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01:57 <csmrfx> noodman: use a validator to check html

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02:11 <ij> ruby="$(rbenv version | ack -o '^\d\S+')"

02:11 <ij> woups

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02:11 <ij> Is this gem for Capistrano 2.x? https://github.com/sosedoff/capistrano-unicorn

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02:14 <ij> Seems so, never mind.

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02:19 <pontiki> hi all o/

02:19 <bnagy> HELLO PONTIKI

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02:20 <pontiki> is it tty33 emulation night?

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02:21 <bnagy> it is apparently Friday

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02:21 <bnagy> at least in the sensible half of the world

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02:22 <bnagy> which took me completely by surprise tbh

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02:39 <pontiki> which? Friday or being in the sensible part of the world?

02:39 <pontiki> "get back, get back, get back to where you once belonged"

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02:51 <Steve445> anyone have a good model to follow for building Arrays full of hashes. (order of hashes is important)?

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02:51 <Steve445> I am working with MongoDB Aggregation Framework in Ruby and i find my self doing a lot of duplication of code between queries

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02:51 <Steve445> Looking for a sample or two on some clever ways to build the array of hashes in a more dynamic way

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02:55 <centrx> Steve445, array_of_hashes = [{}]

02:56 <bnagy> mmm goatse

02:56 <csmrfx> ruby arrays are ordered

02:56 <Steve445> yup

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02:56 <Steve445> all that works. Trying to come up with a way to build the arrays of hashes using methods

02:56 <csmrfx> perhaps YDIW

02:56 <csmrfx> cannot guess

02:56 <csmrfx> pastie or die

02:56 <Steve445> the same hashes are used over and over again in different queries

02:57 <BeingUntoDeath> lol! goatse.

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02:57 <bnagy> I'm having trouble envisioning what needs to be 'built'

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02:57 <bnagy> so I guess you're actually asking a different question, which I think is why people are asking for code

02:58 <bnagy> like.. put the hashes into an array. You have now built an array of hashes.

02:58 <Steve445> will give you a same

02:58 <Steve445> sample

02:58 <csmrfx> ok

02:59 <Steve445> look at this: https://github.com/mongodb/mongo-ruby-driver/wiki/Aggregation-Framework-Examples#the-6-most-common-name-days

02:59 <Steve445> for project and Group imagine more fields and some other hashes

03:00 <csmrfx> can you pastie like 10-30 LOC example

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03:03 <bnagy> ok, so actually what you want is a higher level wrapper for mongodb queries

03:03 <bnagy> surely this must exist though?

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03:05 <Steve445> image something like this: http://pastie.org/8917734

03:05 <Steve445> I have not found a higher level wrapper that does aggregation

03:05 <Steve445> So in the sample

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03:05 <Steve445> imagine that there was 3 variations of the $project hash

03:05 <Steve445> but everything else was the same

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03:06 <csmrfx> so, clone em

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03:06 <Steve445> I do... I am just looking to see if there is a way to reduce code duplication

03:06 <Steve445> (not a big deal if i duplicate), just looking around first

03:06 <csmrfx> not sure if you are just lazy, or whats the "problem" here

03:07 <Steve445> I am just looking to see if anyone has a better way

03:07 <bnagy> have like query_suffixes[:match_by_issue]

03:07 <csmrfx> hard to know where your way is supposed to go

03:07 <bnagy> then query = [this_proj].append query_suffixes[:match_by_issue]

03:07 <bnagy> or something

03:08 <Steve445> ya that may work. its like building a small wrapper for it

03:08 <bnagy> concat. I always get that wrong :)

03:08 <Steve445> can you call a method within a array?

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03:09 <bnagy> uh..

03:09 <Steve445> ["item1", "item2", "method123(version1), "item3"]

03:10 <Steve445> oops not quote next to the method

03:10 <bnagy> yes

03:10 <csmrfx> yes you can

03:10 <Steve445> okay that could work then

03:10 <Steve445> do the logic based on the arg

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03:10 <Steve445> and return the needed hash

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03:11 <bnagy> just watch out you don't get [a, [b,c,d]] when you want [a,b,c,d]

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03:14 <Steve445> ya just testing now. But that may work well. Could build some small wrappers around it to make building the aggregation more of a selecting the order of the hashes in the array and then rest are calls to the methods

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03:16 <Steve445> well have to do some thinking about the structure of the method calls, but overall that might work well

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03:51 <programmerq> Hello. would someone with some experience with devise be willing to jump on a screenhero session and pair program with me for a bit?

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03:54 <bnagy> programmerq: rails people live in #rubyonrails

03:54 <programmerq> ah. good to know. thanks. :)

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03:55 <bnagy> but fyi that's kind of a weird thing to wander in and ask on irc

03:56 <programmerq> bnagy: I felt weird typing it

03:56 <programmerq> to be honest

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03:56 <programmerq> but I'm new enough to rails that I'm not sure how to boil down my problem to something that's pastebinable

03:56 <programmerq> and I've done a lot of pairing at work-- it's pretty effective

03:56 <programmerq> figured it couldn't hurt

03:57 <programmerq> (to ask, that is)

03:57 <manacit> programmerq: If I was better at rails I would

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03:59 <prateekp> hi i am not able to get output in iruby notebook

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03:59 <centrx> programmerq, Try #rubyonrails

04:00 <programmerq> yup. trying there now. :)

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04:00 <prateekp> iruby notebook is returning empty cell

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04:01 <prateekp> has anyon used iruby?

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04:02 * programmerq google iruby since it sounds potentially useful

04:03 <prateekp> i have tried google but not able to figure out

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04:07 <prateekp> i am getting empty output in iruby notebook

04:07 <prateekp> any suggestion

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04:08 <centrx> Run a trace?

04:08 <centrx> Find the logs/error message

04:08 <centrx> Search online

04:08 <bnagy> huh. That actually looks pretty cool.

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04:09 <prateekp> hmm not getting it

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04:10 <Sigloo> Can someone explain how Hash[1,2] instantiates a hash? I don't understand how an array smashed up against a class name can be proper syntax.

04:11 <centrx> Sigloo, [] is a method, any object can have that method

04:11 <Sigloo> Wouldn't that be Hash.[] then? How is it able to determine where a class name ends and the method name begins?

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04:12 <programmerq> Sigloo: it's a special method

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04:12 <centrx> Sigloo, Symbolic methods like [], ==, <=>, <<, etc. work that way

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04:13 <centrx> Sigloo, I'm sure the parser notices that the method name ends because it is not a letter or an underscore

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04:13 <centrx> Sigloo, s/method name/object name

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04:13 <Sigloo> Ah, okay. Thanks. Been trying to search for some information about it, but didn't know the proper terminology. I'll look up special methods.

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05:18 <ericmathison> Probably missing something obvious here... I would expect "foobar\n"[/ar\n\Z/] to return nil since \Z is supposed to match just before a final newline if one exists. So why does it return "ar\n"?

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05:21 <centrx> ericmathison, Well you included the \n in the match

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05:21 <centrx> ericmathison, So it matches the end of the string, but there is no other newline after the one you already specified

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05:21 <centrx> >> "foobar\n"[/ar\Z/]

05:21 <eval-in> centrx => "ar" (https://eval.in/119919)

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05:24 <ericmathison> but don't the docs say that if there is a final new line that \Z matches before it? how can the \Z match if it comes after the position it is supposed to match?

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05:26 <ericmathison> in other words, it seems like the docs are saying that if there is a final newline, don't match the end of the string. match the position before the final character

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05:27 <centrx> ericmathison, But there is no final newline after what was already matched

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05:27 <ericmathison> which means i should get nil, right?

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05:28 <centrx> ericmathison, \Z still matches the end of string whether there is a final newline or not

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05:28 <ericmathison> so, the statement that "If string ends with a newline, it matches just before newline

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05:29 <ericmathison> oops

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05:31 <ericmathison> so is the statement that "If a string ends with a newline, it matches just before the newline" only correct when not trying to match a newline?

05:32 <centrx> "If a string ends with a newline"

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05:33 <centrx> That really means "If \Z matches at a place where there is a newline at the end of the string

05:33 <centrx> /ar\n\Z/ already uses up the newline, so the \Z matches after it

05:34 <centrx> If you wanted \Z to match the newline, you can remove the explicit \n from the regex

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05:37 <ericmathison> Ok. If I follow correctly, that means the docs could probably stand to be worded a little better?

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05:38 <ericmathison> or am is still missing it?

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05:39 <centrx> ericmathison, The doc is clear for all reasonable use cases

05:40 <centrx> ericmathison, There is no reason to use \n\Z if you want \Z to match that preceding \n

05:40 <ericmathison> ok. true. :) Thanks for your time. Your wording help me.

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05:42 <ericmathison> I guess, I was mostly trying to find a possible scenario where i would use \Z over \z

05:42 <centrx> I am happy to help

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05:42 <centrx> ericmathison, it sounds like \Z is kind of like a free chomp

05:44 <ericmathison> ok, i see how that would be helpeful

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06:08 <AussieDownUnder> Hello Rubians, I'm considering learning a little Ruby, first time learning a language in about 8 years & whatever languages I was learning back then I struggled. Any suggestions/recommendations on what to use in a ubuntu derivative? So far I'm playing with the ruby language in notepad ++ run in wine

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06:12 <centrx> AussieDownUnder, Ubuntu comes with ruby, the latest package in Ubuntu is probably called ruby2.0

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06:13 <AussieDownUnder> centrix, okay, I am running xubuntu 14.04 beta, I'll have a proper look for it.

06:13 <centrx> AussieDownUnder, 14.04 beta might have ruby2.1, that is the latest version (2.1.1)

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06:14 <centrx> AussieDownUnder, As for a text editor, I use vim, but that may not be the most user-friendly if you are used to notepad++

06:14 * Hanmac is a bloody-stupid nightly user and has ruby2.2.0

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06:14 <abdulsattar> AussieDownUnder: Ubuntu 14.04 comes with ruby 1.9.3 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ruby)

06:15 <centrx> That's the default, but it has 2.0 in the package "ruby2.0"

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06:16 <AussieDownUnder> I just tried a terminal install for just ruby, says it wants to install 1.9.1

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06:16 <AussieDownUnder> Think I'll try & get the latest daily or whatever

06:16 <abdulsattar> centrx: yes, you're rihgt

06:16 <abdulsattar> *right

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06:16 <AussieDownUnder> I'll have a look on the ruby website & see what else I can type from the terminal to get a later version.

06:17 <centrx> AussieDownUnder, Get a stable release, not the daily build, daily builds can have a lot of bugs

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06:17 <TheColonial> Hi all. Can someone please give me a hint as to how to detect if an array of bytes is a valid unicode string?

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06:18 <TheColonial> sometimes a given payload will have arbitrary bytes.. and other times it will have a valid string. in the latter case I want to render the string not just a blob of bytes.

06:18 <TheColonial> Does ruby have something that'll parse the array and check if the content is nothing but valid unicode characters?

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06:20 <centrx> TheColonial, Array#pack / String#unpack might be relevant

06:20 <TheColonial> centrx: i know how to do th epacking, but i don't know how to check if the content is valid first.

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06:20 <TheColonial> centrx: how would I use those two to determine if the string is valid?

06:20 <Hanmac> TheColonial: also look at valid_encoding?

06:20 <Hanmac> >> ["abc".valid_encoding?, "abc\xEF".valid_encoding?]

06:20 <eval-in> Hanmac => [true, false] (https://eval.in/119952)

06:21 <TheColonial> Hanmac: ah! that looks like the ticket. Thank you :)

06:21 <centrx> ooo this guy's good

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06:28 <AussieDownUnder> I installed ruby, does it need a gui/front end installed separately or something?

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06:28 <centrx> AussieDownUnder, Nope

06:28 <abdulsattar> AussieDownUnder: No it doesn't. It's a compiler, just like gcc

06:29 <abdulsattar> *wacks my brain*

06:29 <abdulsattar> not a compiler

06:29 <abdulsattar> an interpreter

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06:29 <abdulsattar> details don't matter though

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06:37 <AussieDownUnder> abdulsattar, yeah I am a new man to these worlds. So how do I actually use Ruby then? Do I write code in another program then tell it to compile into the ruby things? Sorry (don't bash your brain over my non existant knowledge of ruby, you actually have a brain)

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06:40 <Hanmac> AussieDownUnder: ruby is interpreted not compiled ... so you start your script with "ruby your_file.rb" or with "./your_file.rb" if the file is marked as exceutable and has the shebang

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06:42 <AussieDownUnder> Hanmac, So what's a good all in one programmin language to practise writing ruby in? What do you do/how do you go about ruby?

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06:43 <AussieDownUnder> Hanmac, programming language software?

06:44 <Hanmac> "all in one programmin language" ? i use gedit and eclipse as Editors (depending on the size of the projects) and mostly i write bindings in C(++) for Ruby

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07:02 <AussieDownUnder> So anyone here actually programmed anything or made software with Ruby?

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07:03 <bnagy> I am starting to feel trolled

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07:07 <tubuliferous> #processing

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07:24 <_justin> lol

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07:40 <phansch> there's also the ruby-processing gem, which is neat

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08:08 <rails426> \exit

08:08 <rails426> clear

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08:09 <shevy> rescue!

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08:42 <Hanmac> shevy: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8103387904/hC5D63F2A/

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09:05 <ilhami> hey

09:05 <ilhami> Why should I use Ruby?

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09:05 <abdulsattar> Because Matz

09:05 <abdulsattar> It rhymes with Catz

09:06 <ilhami> muslim?

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09:06 <abdulsattar> so?

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09:06 <ilhami> I am asking akhi

09:07 <abdulsattar> anyway, why do you ask if you should use Ruby?

09:07 <ilhami> because I dont know it. Can you give me an explanation why it's better than PHP?

09:08 <abdulsattar> To explain that, I should know PHP first.

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09:08 <ilhami> okay bro

09:09 <abdulsattar> ilhami: Here's a good comparison: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-php/

09:09 <ilhami> baarakAllahu feek

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09:24 <He4a> hello, how to perform such array grouping in ruby? [1,1,1,3,3,3,1,1,4,3,3,3].group => [[1,1,1],[3,3,3],[1,1],[4],[3,3,3]]

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09:25 <ij> group_by(&:tap)?

09:25 <ij> >> [1,1,1,3,3,3,1,1,4,3,3,3].group_by(&:tap)?

09:25 <eval-in> ij => /tmp/execpad-10c340a23dc7/source-10c340a23dc7:3: syntax error, unexpected keyword_rescue ... (https://eval.in/120035)

09:25 <ij> >> [1,1,1,3,3,3,1,1,4,3,3,3].group_by(&:tap)

09:25 <eval-in> ij => no block given (LocalJumpError) ... (https://eval.in/120036)

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09:27 <ij> >> [1,1,1,3,3,3,1,1,4,3,3,3].group_by(&:to_i).values

09:27 <eval-in> ij => [[1, 1, 1, 1, 1], [3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3], [4]] (https://eval.in/120037)

09:27 <ij> Oh, you wanted to have seperate [1]s.

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09:27 <He4a> ij: he-he, already tried that, it's not [1,1,1,3,3,3,1,1,4,3,3,3].group =>[[1,1,1],[3,3,3],[1,1],[4],[3,3,3]] :)

09:27 <He4a> ij: yeah

09:27 <ij> You'll have to write your own code then.

09:28 <He4a> okay, i thought so

09:28 <He4a> just wanted to doublecheck if there something built in

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09:29 <mbuf> what is the proper way to tailf on a file and read each line?

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09:30 <ij> %x{tail -f file}.each_line

09:30 <ij> No, that's not right.

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09:30 <ij> It's not lazy.

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09:35 <ij> mbuf, Might do with IO.popen, and then read_lines from the pipe.

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09:43 <mbuf> ij, is there a recommended way to open a file only after it has been completely written? is there a way to check that in case another process keeps writing to it?

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09:46 <ij> Define completely written... I'd say that after you think it's done, move it so other processes can't use it, that's all. As for the checking, yeah I'd go with reading tail -f's output.

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09:51 <mbuf> ij, "completely written" as in no other process is still writing to it

09:51 <mbuf> ij, or appending text

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10:34 <ruby374> asdfdsfdsf

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10:39 <DouweM> good talk

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11:08 <snickers> hey, did someone can help me with tftp protocol implementation? I have problem with netascii mode

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11:12 <abdulsattar> snickers: !help

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11:13 <abdulsattar> !hepl

11:13 <abdulsattar> !help

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11:13 <abdulsattar> I was never able to use helpa properly

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11:13 <abdulsattar> just ask your question snickers

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11:15 <snickers> !help

11:16 <abdulsattar> !used

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11:16 <abdulsattar> snickers: !used

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11:17 <snickers> when i try send data with netascii mode, client delete from string 0x0d0x00 last 0x00(null)

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11:17 <snickers> i don't reale get how netascii shuld work

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11:21 <abdulsattar> snickers: CR and NULL is the end of line in netascii, are you splitting the response into lines or something?

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11:35 <vijaykoogu> hello Ruby world

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11:36 <vijaykoogu> hello guys any1 home ?

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11:37 <aaronmcadam> puts "Hello"

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11:42 <professor_soap> Hi. I have a problem with encoding in a rails app, probably not rails related tho.

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11:43 <professor_soap> Im rendering some data fetched from the database and this data has a sentences like "Ã\u0096vriga"

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11:44 <professor_soap> When doing .encoding on the data in console it says it has utf-8 encoding.

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11:44 <professor_soap> Im pretty much a newbie when it comes to encoding

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11:44 <professor_soap> How can I encode it so that it shows the right characters?

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11:45 <professor_soap> Im doing a YAML.load(data)

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11:45 <professor_soap> Anyone?

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11:48 <apeiros> professor_soap: sounds like your yaml file was saved in something which is not utf-8

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11:48 <apeiros> professor_soap: and yaml reads it as utf-8

11:48 <apeiros> the solution would be to ensure that your yaml files are properly saved as utf-8.

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11:49 <professor_soap> you mean when saved to the db?

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11:50 <professor_soap> There are no YAML files really..

11:50 <apeiros> professor_soap: um, you once say "Im doing a YAML.load(data)" and another time you say "from the database" - which is it now?

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11:50 <professor_soap> ya, im fetching the data from the db and then doing a YAML.load to structure it in that way.

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11:50 <professor_soap> sort of like doing a JSON.parse(data)

11:50 <apeiros> you mean you store serialized data in your db

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11:51 <professor_soap> yeah

11:51 <apeiros> with the db involved it gets a *tiny* bit more complex.

11:51 <apeiros> ensure that your client<->server connection has the proper encoding set

11:51 <apeiros> ensure that your database/table/column encoding is set properly

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11:51 <apeiros> ensure that you write indeed utf-8 into the table

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11:52 <professor_soap> Yea I know what your saying

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11:52 <professor_soap> Im working with a legacy code base here, lots of old code I didnt write in the first place.

11:53 <apeiros> note, String#encoding only tells you how ruby *interprets* the data in the string

11:53 <professor_soap> But is there some way of decoding it and encoding it again?

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11:53 <professor_soap> ok

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11:53 <apeiros> it doesn't mean the bytes in the string are indeed meant to be interpreted as utf-8.

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11:53 <apeiros> professor_soap: you can use force_encoding to tell ruby that the encoding of the string is in fact another one

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11:54 <apeiros> professor_soap: and you can use .encode to translate a string from one encoding to another

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11:54 <professor_soap> hmm

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11:54 <apeiros> you should only use those techniques to clean up data

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11:55 <apeiros> in your workflows, you should define where "translation borders" are, and specify external/internal encodings there

11:55 <professor_soap> force_encoding didn't change the output, same resutl.

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11:55 <professor_soap> yeah

11:55 <professor_soap> well I have set it in the database.yml file, encoding utf-8

11:55 <professor_soap> and in application.rb

11:55 <apeiros> what should "Ã\u0096vriga" look like correctly?

11:55 <professor_soap> config.encoding

11:55 <professor_soap> etc.

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11:56 <professor_soap> But this is old data saved in a bad way basically.

11:56 <professor_soap> I need some temp solution.

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12:56 <omegahm> How are you guys at golfing? I'm looking for a way that does the same as Hash#has_key?, that is {}.has_key?(:t) == false, but {t:nil}.has_key?(:t) == true, but I want it shorter

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12:57 <omegahm> I've been discussing {}[:t], but this of course returns nil, when {t:nil}

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13:00 <apeiros> omegahm: #key? is an alias of has_key?

13:00 <apeiros> saves you 4 letters

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13:01 <omegahm> Thanks apeiros

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13:05 <DouweM> omegahm: drop the parentheses around :t

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13:05 <DouweM> although you need them if you really want == true

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13:05 <DouweM> otherwise it'll compare :t with true

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13:06 <omegahm> Ahh, DouweM, yes, I can actually save one character here as well... See you guys are not half bad at golfing :)

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13:06 <DouweM> omegahm: what golf are you trying to solve?

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13:07 <omegahm> DouweM: Work related. :)

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13:08 <omegahm> One of the other guys just said we couldn't have the code if it was more than x characters, so we all started golfing.

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13:08 <apeiros> lol

13:08 <apeiros> long live single letter variables

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13:08 <DouweM> lol

13:08 <DouweM> what an arbitrary restriction

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13:09 <apeiros> it'd actually be awesome as a joint education effort

13:09 <jhass> omegahm: give that guy a slap from the whole channel

13:09 <apeiros> golf a piece of code

13:09 <apeiros> then share with peers

13:09 <DouweM> Sure

13:09 <apeiros> and you have to explain the code of your peer to the others

13:10 <DouweM> jhass: seconded

13:10 <apeiros> jhass: thirded

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13:22 * platzhirsch slurps...

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13:24 <snickers> abdulsattar: I know that is a EOL and now i'm working od simple server that send file. When I send text file everything works, but i have problem with binary data

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13:25 <snickers> I try to add 0x00 sequence after 0x0d via gsub, but client don't alweys remove this seqence and I don't know why

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13:25 <ck1> is net::ssh a standard ruby package?

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13:25 <freezey> ck1: its a gem

13:26 <freezey> net-ssh (2.7.0, 2.2.2)

13:26 <freezey> whichever you please

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13:26 <snickers> generaly I have problem that file after downlowad dont match orginal data

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13:27 <ck1> ok, thanks. another question is... (i can't seem to word it right to get what I want on google) but I need to automate a shelll scripting ... i need to call a command and then maybe respond based on output...

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13:27 <freezey> sure

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13:27 <ck1> but i can't/don't want ot use a 3rd part library

13:27 <freezey> you can either shell out

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13:27 <freezey> ok no 3rd party so you can shell out

13:28 <freezey> cmd = %x{command here} or cmd = IO.popen('command here')

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13:28 <ck1> freezey: is there a difference than running with ` `?

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13:29 <ck1> right now i'm using ssh = `ssh foobar do something`

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13:29 <freezey> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2232/calling-bash-commands-from-ruby

13:29 <freezey> that explains it quite well

13:29 <ck1> thanks freezey

13:30 <freezey> np

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14:08 <dweeb_> How do I replace "dog" with "cat" and "cat" with "dog" in a ruby string?

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14:09 <jhass> >> "dogcat".gsub(/(dog|cat)/, "dog" => "cat", "cat" => "dog")

14:09 <eval-in> jhass => "catdog" (https://eval.in/120201)

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14:09 <benzrf> hej da

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14:11 <benzrf> hows it goin yall

14:11 <dweeb_> jhass: thanks

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14:11 <benzrf> shevy: wuts up

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14:14 <DouweM> ketch up

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14:14 <sigurding> anyone here worked with sigar bindings for ruby? https://github.com/hyperic/sigar/tree/master/bindings/ruby/examples

14:14 <benzrf> DouweM: hey yosafbridge

14:15 <benzrf> *yo

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14:15 <benzrf> DouweM: have u tried smalltalk?

14:15 <benzrf> =D

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14:15 <DouweM> have not

14:15 <benzrf> it's so neat manacit

14:15 <benzrf> *man

14:15 <benzrf> guh

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14:15 <benzrf> the language itself is mostly similar to ruby except for that blocks are universal literals

14:15 <DouweM> haha

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14:15 <benzrf> meaning that much more is implemented with them

14:15 <benzrf> i.e.

14:15 <DouweM> got a link to a short intro?

14:15 <shevy> benzrf I am idling kinda

14:16 <benzrf> [x < 3] whileTrue [puts "lol"]

14:16 <benzrf> well not puts "lol"

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14:16 <benzrf> 'lol' displayNl or something

14:16 <benzrf> DouweM: but the real difference is how smalltalk works as a language

14:16 <benzrf> well

14:16 <benzrf> not quite the right word.

14:16 <shevy> exactly benzrf

14:16 <shevy> this is why it failed

14:16 <benzrf> smalltalk doesn't work by text files that you execute

14:16 <shevy> there was *something* cool about it but people failed to really get their point across

14:16 <benzrf> it's 2cool for that unix shit

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14:17 <benzrf> haha

14:17 <DouweM> haha

14:17 <benzrf> the big cool difference in smalltalk is that you do everything in a running vm

14:17 <shevy> yeah, this was a cool idea

14:17 <benzrf> its like if you did all of your coding in the debug part of an IDE

14:17 <shevy> I'd wish ruby would have something like that as well

14:17 <benzrf> i know right

14:17 <shevy> but I don't think anything like that will come, matz is busy with mruby since years :(

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14:17 <benzrf> smalltalk does not have any kind of file execution

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14:18 <benzrf> you have an existing smalltalk program that is basically an IDE designed for self-modification and extension

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14:18 <benzrf> and then you add your stuff to it as it runs, one method at a time

14:18 <benzrf> it's neat as shit

14:19 <benzrf> you can do runtime introspection at write time, because write time IS run time

14:19 <benzrf> so cooool

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14:19 <benzrf> i feel like it could work fine for ruby too, tho youd need a dialect intended for that kind of env

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14:19 <benzrf> ruby as it is is kinda designed for dead-file code

14:19 <shevy> well

14:20 <shevy> what about standalone files benatkin

14:20 <shevy> benzrf,

14:20 <shevy> damn tab completion

14:20 <benzrf> hm?

14:20 <shevy> <benzrf> smalltalk does not have any kind of file execution

14:20 <benzrf> well that is to say

14:20 <shevy> that actually sounds like a huge disadvantage

14:20 <benzrf> how soahccc ?

14:20 <benzrf> *so

14:20 <benzrf> god damn

14:20 <shevy> lol

14:20 <shevy> we both fail at completion :(

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14:21 <shevy> benzrf when I add stuff to the smalltalk VM thingy, can I capture that into text files?

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14:21 <tobiasvl> damn you autocomplete

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14:21 <shevy> I think I now know why benzrf always mis-completes, he hits the enter key too quickly

14:21 <benzrf> shevy: no, you capture it into image files

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14:22 <benzrf> which are frozen vm states

14:22 <benzrf> like os hibernation

14:22 <benzrf> brb

14:22 <shevy> ok, so I gain something new (image/vm) but I lose standalone plain text file programming

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14:32 <benzrf> shevy: yes, which is inferior

14:32 <benzrf> :y

14:32 <benzrf> i kid

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14:33 <benzrf> one of the big issues with smalltalk is that

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14:33 <benzrf> since development is so tied to the language and its env

14:33 <benzrf> it's kind of its own walled ecosystem

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14:37 <shevy> benzrf you name one way inferior

14:37 <shevy> but you offer no alternative

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14:37 <shevy> the proper solution would be to enable both ways

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14:37 <benzrf> in that case use gstamp

14:37 <benzrf> *gst

14:37 <benzrf> :y

14:37 <shevy> perl showed that despite the UNIX tools available, there was a huge need for a glue language to have

14:37 <benzrf> [it sux :y]

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14:38 <shevy> smalltalk could never fill that gap

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14:38 <benzrf> well yeah

14:38 <shevy> nowadays with the rise of the www, this has become even more important

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14:38 <shevy> I don't see smalltalk apps anywhere, do you?

14:38 <benzrf> =p

14:39 <benzrf> hmmm

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14:42 <benzrf> i think as a language

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14:43 <benzrf> ruby is basically a slightly stripped-down smalltalk with more algol/perl-like syntax

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14:47 <rtl> shevy: not sure if this is just rhetorical

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14:47 <rtl> but if you actually need a solution

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14:48 <rtl> Dale Henrich's Filetree package exports ST to git

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14:49 <shevy> git?!

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14:51 <shevy> rubygen apache_configuration_maker.rb

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14:51 <shevy> I have enough of changing apache config files

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14:52 <benzrf> what is RubyPanther gen

14:52 <benzrf> *rubygen

14:52 <benzrf> gah

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14:53 <shevy> it creates a ruby skeleton for me

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14:54 <shevy> usually a class with some preset methods

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14:55 <benzrf> hmm ok

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15:02 <shevy> benzrf my remote end goal is to use ruby for everything unless it is to slow for the given task

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15:04 <mallu> Good morning I have x=4.0.0-2 and y=5.0.0-10, What is the best way to chop so that x=4.0.0 and y=5.0.0

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15:04 <shevy> what is that

15:04 <shevy> a string?

15:04 <mallu> yes

15:05 <mallu> well.. that is the version number and I'm trying to compare versions

15:05 <shevy> >> x="4.0.0-2"; x = x[0, x.index('-')]; x

15:05 <eval-in> shevy => "4.0.0" (https://eval.in/120258)

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15:06 <shevy> Gem has some version comparer inbuilt btw

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15:06 <mallu> thank you

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15:09 <shevy> \o/

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15:09 <Hanmac1> shevy: what about this?

15:09 <Hanmac1> >> x="4.0.0-2"; x = x[/(.+)-'/,1]; x

15:09 <eval-in> Hanmac1 => nil (https://eval.in/120259)

15:10 <Hanmac1> >> x="4.0.0-2"; x = x[/(.+)-/,1]; x

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15:10 <Hanmac> >> x="4.0.0-2"; x = x[/(.+)-/,1]; x

15:10 <eval-in> Hanmac => "4.0.0" (https://eval.in/120260)

15:10 <shevy> Hanmac yeah there is more than one way to do it but I am not interested in it, mallu is :-)

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15:11 <Hanmac> i think the best way would be (g)sub

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15:25 <mjc_> wow reel is impressive

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15:33 <Morrolan> The amount of application- and web-servers in and around the Ruby world is astonishing...

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15:34 <stringoO> How would I go about implementing something like Calc.new.one.plus.two ?

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15:35 <shevy> stringoO not possible

15:35 <stringoO> shevy: it's a coding challenge on codewars.com

15:35 <shevy> you will have to return an object that responds to #one #plus #two

15:35 <benzrf> codewars ftw

15:35 <benzrf> stringoO: check out my katas =D

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15:36 <stringoO> :)

15:36 <benzrf> stringoO: i did that kata youre on

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15:37 <Morrolan> Chaining is generally done by having the methods return the object, after the respective operations. To support arbitrary method calls you'll also need #method_missing.

15:38 <stringoO> cool

15:38 <shevy> there you go stringoO \o/

15:38 <stringoO> this is crazy lol

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15:38 <Morrolan> I'd just start with implementing #one, #plus and #two by hand, though. :)

15:38 <stringoO> benzrf: I cannot see your solution without forfeiting my points lol :P

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15:38 <stringoO> Morrolan: thanks!

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15:40 <stringoO> Morrolan: I totally didn't think of returning the object - that's so smart! Thanks! :)

15:40 <Morrolan> :)

15:40 <Morrolan> Has a very javascript-ish feel to it. Some people love method chaining, others don't.

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15:41 <stringoO> Morrolan: is it possible to know if there's a further method chained? As in, if I call Calc.new.one, I want to return 1, but if it needs chaining then I have to return the object

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15:42 <Morrolan> I don't think there is. It would also make for a confusing API. Imagine that the user of your library would store the result of Calc.new.one in a variable, with the intention of calling #plus#two on it later on.

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15:42 <Morrolan> It would blow up, since, while he thought he got a Calculator object, he actually got a number.

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15:43 <stringoO> gotcha

15:43 <stringoO> thanks

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15:44 <Morrolan> codewars.com wants me to sign up via a non-encrypted connection? And I thought we had 2014... :P

15:44 <benzrf> stringoO: you /could/ modify Fixnum to have #plus

15:44 <benzrf> but that's p crud

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15:46 <stringoO> here's the link to the challenge once you're logged in - http://www.codewars.com/dojo/katas/52a1feca5ec9c508d10006f8/train/ruby

15:46 <crome> Morrolan: its the first level probably

15:46 <crome> or something

15:46 <stringoO> benzrf: what do you mean by p crud?

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15:46 <benzrf> bad practice

15:47 <benzrf> i wasn't paying attention while typing and 'pretty crud' came out instead of 'bad practice'

15:47 <stringoO> gotcha. thanks!

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15:47 <benzrf> ;p

15:47 <stringoO> i'm glad I asked instead of assuming it's fancy ruby lingo

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15:47 <benzrf> hahahahah:

15:47 <benzrf> *haha

15:48 <hahahahah> hexchat? :P

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15:48 <benzrf> no, irssi

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15:48 <benzrf> most clients have tab completion

15:48 <xm_> ah yeah

15:48 <xm_> i use that too

15:48 <benzrf> it's a standard feature

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15:48 <xm_> but the : thing is mostly irssi and hexchat/xchat isnt it?

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15:48 <benzrf> perhaps

15:48 <xm_> i think mIRC used to do , for me

15:48 <benzrf> why hexchat/xchat when you can have he/xchat??

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15:48 <benzrf> =D

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15:49 <benzrf> in the vein of s/he!

15:49 <xm_> im not efficient!

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16:03 <bas> in my gemfile i have "gem 'cucumber', '0.6.3'", however if i 'bundle install --system' cucumber is not in my path. if i manually 'gem install cucumber --version ..' it is in my path. how can i have bundler install cucumber in my path?

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16:05 <xm_> xm_> im not efficient! <--- haha i could have just said "im inefficient!"

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16:05 <benzrf> bas: why are you using cucumber

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16:05 <ichistmeinname> hey folks - i'm more a functional programmer, and since there's currently a hype on "lenses" in haskell and scala, I'm asking myself, if there are attempt for an "lens" library in ruby. Unfortunately, goolge didn't give me any hits.

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16:06 <benzrf> ichistmeinname: it should not be too hard to write a simple one yourself

16:06 <benzrf> ;p

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16:06 <benzrf> besides, why would lenses be so useful?

16:06 <benzrf> zippers might be interesting, but i fail to use the use for lenses in ruby

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16:08 <bas> benzrf: old legacy project

16:08 <ichistmeinname> for the most common structures (arrays, hashmaps), there are only destructive methods, that do not yield a new object. maybe a lens-kinda-library would bring a more functional style to such structures

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16:11 <ichistmeinname> so, there's no known "lens"-library for ruby, yet?

16:11 <benzrf> ichistmeinname: not that i can think of off the top of my head

16:12 <benzrf> if you decide to make one id be happy to contributed

16:12 <benzrf> =)

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16:12 <banister> ichistmeinname if you like haskell you might also like this lib for ruby: *plug* https://github.com/banister/funkify

16:12 <benzrf> ichistmeinname: i dont think lenses are the solution for non-destructive updating though

16:12 <benzrf> tbh

16:12 <benzrf> like i said, zippers probably fit imperative oop better

16:12 <benzrf> :u

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16:14 <benzrf> class Symbol

16:14 <benzrf> def call(*args, *blk)

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16:14 <benzrf> proc {|o| o.send self, *args, *blk}

16:14 <benzrf> end

16:14 <benzrf> ^nifty

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16:15 <vasilakisFiL> how can I undefine a class variable? there is a remove_class_variable but I get such errors: NoMethodError: undefined method `remove_class_variable' for main:Object. Also when I try to run this example from ruby docs http://apidock.com/ruby/Module/remove_class_variable I get this error: NameError: cannot remove @@test for Dummy.

16:15 <vasilakisFiL> I am using ruby 2.1.1

16:15 <benzrf> why are you removing it?

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16:16 <banister> benzrf how do you use that? :hello.(5, 6).(self)

16:16 <benzrf> :hello.(2, 3)

16:16 <havenwood> vasilakisFiL: My favorite way to remove class variables is to not use them. :P

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16:17 <benzrf> brb

16:17 <banister> benzrf collection.each(&:hello.(5, 6))

16:17 <banister> benzrf that's pretty cool actually

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16:18 <banister> benzrf|offline i like it :)

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16:18 <banister> benzrf|offline really nice, get that in core

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16:18 <vasilakisFiL> ok.. how can I have a global attribute among ruby classes? for instance, let's say that I have 5 classes that I want them to use the same database connection

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16:19 <vasilakisFiL> so that to avoid the db connection tear up/down overhead

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16:19 <benzrf> banister: i would Trynemjoel

16:19 <benzrf> *try ugh

16:19 <banister> benzrf what?

16:19 <benzrf> do you think it is possible?

16:19 <banister> benzrf Yes, did you come up with that?

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16:19 <benzrf> yeah but it probs exists already

16:19 <benzrf> its p obvious ;p

16:19 <banister> i've never seen it, i like it

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16:20 <benzrf> =}

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16:20 <benzrf> another thing tho

16:20 <benzrf> 1 sec let me write this shit up

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16:21 <benzrf> hmm

16:21 <benzrf> is there a programmatic undef

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16:22 <benzrf> >> Class.methods.grep /undef/

16:22 <eval-in> benzrf => [] (https://eval.in/120274)

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16:22 <benzrf> >> Class.methods.grep /remove/

16:22 <eval-in> benzrf => [:remove_class_variable, :remove_instance_variable] (https://eval.in/120275)

16:22 <benzrf> hnn

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16:23 <benzrf> ah

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16:25 <benzrf> ok

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16:25 <banister> benzrf coolest shit 've sen in a while ;)

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16:25 <benzrf> o.o

16:25 <banister> benzrf do you have a twitter account?

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16:26 <benzrf> not rly

16:26 <benzrf> i have one but i dont use it

16:26 <benzrf> why?

16:27 <banister> benzrf https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fb2e8462ff5a8118bb40

16:27 <banister> benzrf i was going to post it on twitter and ping u

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16:28 <benzrf> =]

16:28 <benzrf> my general persistent account is my reddit onewheelskyward

16:28 <benzrf> *one

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16:29 <vasilakisFiL> so how can I share instance variables among ruby classes? anyone ?

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16:30 <havenwood> vasilakisFiL: Give it its own module/class.

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16:31 <banister> benzrf just pinged u

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16:31 <benzrf> o:

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16:32 <benzrf> aww yiss

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16:32 <banister> benzrf since oyu likes those tricks, did you check out https://github.com/banister/funkify ?

16:32 <sigurding> havenwood: I still got the issue

16:32 <banister> benzrf probably just up your alley

16:32 <ij> vasilakisFiL, If it's an instance, then methods on it from whichever class or mixin, will be able to reach them.

16:32 <havenwood> sigurding: which issue again?

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16:33 <benzrf> i e%amined ItSANgo

16:33 <benzrf> *it

16:33 <benzrf> god dammit ItSANgo

16:33 <sjeijk> hi all can someone tell me how I can fix this error that Phusion Passenger throws at me?

16:33 <sjeijk> You cannot specify the same gem twice with different version requirements. You specified: money (~> 5.0.0) and money (~> 5.1.0) (Bundler::GemfileError)

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16:34 <sjeijk> I am not sure where i need to start looking

16:34 <mallu> hi, I have x=4.0.0 and I'm splitting x.split('.').first.to_i wich gives me 4. How do I call the second in the array which is 0?

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16:34 <sigurding> havenwood: I still got the issue https://gist.github.com/jhiemer/f57cec03e0991836b049

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16:34 <mallu> hi,

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16:34 <vasilakisFiL> havenwood you mean to create an inner singleton class ?

16:34 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: look at the Gemfile

16:34 <havenwood> sigurding: ahh

16:34 <sjeijk> I just updated a plugin for redmine, then restarted the server

16:35 <abdulsattar> mallu: x.split('.')[1].to_i ?

16:35 <sigurding> havenwood: fresh install on ubuntu with ruby 2.1.0

16:35 <sigurding> this drives me insane

16:35 <sjeijk> I deleted the money 5.0 in the gemfile and bundle install and restarted, but that didnt help

16:36 <abdulsattar> benzrf: Is aslf.() short for aslf.call() ?

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16:36 <havenwood> abdulsattar: or also: aslf[]

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16:36 <benzrf> abdulsattar: yeah

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16:37 <sjeijk> is there another gemfile i should look at abdulsattar?

16:37 <havenwood> vasilakisFiL: i need more coffee to start thinking!

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16:37 <abdulsattar> havenwood: aslf[] is a different method right? It looks for the method []

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16:39 <havenwood> >> ->{ :hi }[]

16:39 <eval-in> havenwood => :hi (https://eval.in/120281)

16:39 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: cool method. Basically allows me send symbols with more than one parameter, right?

16:39 <havenwood> abdulsattar: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.1/Proc.html#method-i-5B-5D

16:39 <benzrf> yo banister where did u ping me o.O

16:40 <banister> benzrf https://twitter.com/banisterfiend/status/444510876973166593

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16:40 <sjeijk> abdulsattar I was the guy that had problems with Phusion :s

16:40 <abdulsattar> havenwood: I think that is true only for Procs

16:40 <benzrf> banister: why is it @onewheelskyward

16:40 <benzrf> oh shit one of my mis-completions mustve given u a wrong impression

16:40 <benzrf> >_<

16:40 <havenwood> abdulsattar: ah yes, i see what you're saying - yeah i definitely need coffee!

16:41 <vasilakisFiL> ok, when you have some coffee take a look on that

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16:41 <vasilakisFiL> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22410926/what-options-do-i-have-if-i-want-to-share-data-attributes-among-ruby-objects

16:41 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: there's supposed to be only one Gemfile

16:41 <banister> benzrf that's just your reddit account not your twitter account?

16:41 <benzrf> I meant to say 'reddit one'

16:41 <banister> haha

16:41 <benzrf> im benzrf everywhere

16:41 <benzrf> =_=

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16:41 <benzrf> onewheelskyward is some guy in this channel

16:41 <banister> benzrf what's your twitter account name?

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16:42 <banister> i deleted that tweet

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16:44 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: do you still face the problem?

16:44 <benzrf> i do not use the tweets

16:44 <sjeijk> abdulsattar I have a new problem.

16:44 <banister> benzrf nm https://twitter.com/banisterfiend/status/444514395067281408

16:45 <sjeijk> i deleted 1 money gem and then it installed

16:45 <sjeijk> sec

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16:45 <abdulsattar> banister: I think you're doing way too much for that: (1..10).to_a.map(&:+.(3)) does that too

16:46 <sjeijk> could you have a quick look at http://system.oneseconds.com pls abdulsattar

16:46 <sjeijk> httpd and mysqld are restarted

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16:46 <banister> abdulsattar that's just a specific case, Symbol#call is more genearl

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16:47 <banister> abdulsattar it's a generalization of Symbol#to_proc to multiple arguments

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16:49 <benzrf> wait whoa u created pry?

16:49 <benzrf> O:

16:49 <benzrf> cool beans

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16:49 <benzrf> here is a suggestion: can you make some way of easily distinguishing between commands and code

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16:49 <benzrf> for example if I do 'exit if done'

16:49 <benzrf> pry misreads that

16:49 <benzrf> :v

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16:50 <banister> benzrf yeah i know, we need something more intelligent there. However, you can force a command prefix which might be enough for you, Pry.config.command_prefix = "%"

16:50 <banister> then you have to do: %exit to run the pry command

16:50 <banister> 'exit' by itself will just run the method

16:51 <benzrf> o:

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16:51 <benzrf> neat.

16:51 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: That is a different error. I'll take a look at redmine source and let you know in a minute

16:51 <benzrf> [i also ran into reset when playing around w/ delimited continuations]

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16:52 <banister> benzrf hahahah, sorry about that

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16:52 <banister> benzrf that's why most pry commands have hyphens in their names

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16:52 <banister> so there's no ambiguity

16:52 <banister> show-source

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16:52 <benzrf> mm

16:52 <banister> etc

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16:53 <sjeijk> tx abdulsattar

16:53 <abdulsattar> Ok, what is redmine_contacts? sjeijk

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16:53 <sjeijk> its a redmine plugin

16:53 <abdulsattar> banister: in my example: (1..10).to_a.map(&:+.(3)) I still use Symbol#call, no?

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16:54 <abdulsattar> well there's a problem with that

16:54 <sjeijk> i was updating 2 redmine plugins, contacts and invoices

16:54 <sjeijk> ok

16:54 <banister> abdulsattar no

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16:54 <abdulsattar> banister: &:+.(3) == &:+.call(3), no?

16:54 <banister> oh, you are

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16:56 <banister> abdulsattar sorry in my mind i kinda read it as: (1..10).to_a.map(&3.method(:+))

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16:56 <benzrf> banister: ;p

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16:57 <sigurding> havenwood any idea?

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16:58 <sjeijk> gonna try put the old plugin back abdulsattar

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16:59 <havenwood> sigurding: i don't know why it's segfaulting, i'm curious if it still does in ruby-2.2.0-dev

16:59 <abdulsattar> Is the source of this somewhere I can see sjeijk ?

16:59 <abdulsattar> of redmine_contacts

16:59 <sjeijk> it's here http://redminecrm.com/projects/crm/pages/1

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17:00 <shevy> guys can you confirm: one should use File.exist? rather than File.exists? nowadays right?

17:00 <havenwood> shevy: yes, #exists? is deprecated

17:01 <shevy> ok

17:01 <shevy> I grepped through, I have quite a few of File.exists? still in old code

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17:01 <workmad3> havenwood: why is exists? deprecated

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17:01 <havenwood> workmad3: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/ruby_2_1/file.c#L1413

17:02 <workmad3> havenwood: seems like it's the one that reads more naturally in a condition... 'if file exists do stuff'

17:02 <havenwood> workmad3: i'm not sure on teh rationale

17:02 <benzrf> ugh

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17:02 <benzrf> is there a non mutating <<

17:02 <havenwood> benzrf: what Class you mean?

17:03 <benzrf> array

17:03 <havenwood> benzrf: String or Array?

17:03 <havenwood> +=

17:03 <benzrf> no

17:03 <havenwood> oh

17:03 <benzrf> + takes another array, not append

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17:03 <havenwood> benzrf: i always make that noob mistake >.>

17:03 <benzrf> i can do + [thing] but that feels dum

17:03 <havenwood> concat

17:03 <benzrf> i tend to go with [*arr, new]

17:03 <benzrf> isnt concat also like +

17:03 <benzrf> but mutating

17:03 <havenwood> i need coffee

17:03 * havenwood hushes.

17:03 <banister> benzrf .dup <<

17:03 <benzrf> http://coffeescript.org

17:04 <benzrf> banister: meh.

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17:05 <havenwood> workmad3: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/9041

17:05 <sjeijk> http://pastebin.com/CH9293fm is the gemfile of contacts, that caused the money gem to fail abdulsattar

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17:06 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: That's still only one gem 'money'

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17:06 <sjeijk> yes

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17:08 <abdulsattar> can someone else look at http://pastebin.com/CH9293fm ? I'm unable to figure anything out

17:08 <lessless> what is dot doing here https://gist.github.com/banister/9551558#file-pry_gist-rb-L19 ?

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17:09 <lessless> I'm about &:add.(5, 6)

17:09 <sjeijk> abdulsattar i just deleted 5.1.0 since i have 1.9.3p installed

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17:09 <havenwood> lessless: same as `&:add.call(5, 6)`

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17:10 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: if you delete one, you get another error, right?

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17:10 <sjeijk> well i can install it

17:10 <sjeijk> but then i get another error indeed

17:11 <shevy> workmad3 apeiros once said that matz said the proper way to ask the question would be singular, to the object, as in "object, do you exist?" "file, do you exist?"; in written english, "if file exists" would be correct, but that would be asking the wrong question to the given object

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17:11 <sjeijk> the one that popsup at http://system.oneseconds.com

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17:11 <havenwood> shevy: do you exists?

17:11 <shevy> YES

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17:12 <shevy> me japanese english

17:12 <shevy> jenglish

17:12 <abdulsattar> shevy: File#exist? is good but File::exist? is not right I think

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17:12 <lessless> havenwood, thank you!

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17:12 <shevy> abdulsattar hey, the distinction between class and file would confuse me permanently

17:12 <shevy> nope

17:12 <workmad3> shevy: hmm, I guess it kinda makes sense if you think about it as 'File, does <filename> exist?'

17:12 <shevy> I meant to say

17:13 <shevy> * the distinction between class and module

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17:13 <shevy> abdulsattar for File#exist? to ask, you'd have to use .new though

17:13 <abdulsattar> hey sjeijk

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17:14 <abdulsattar> do you have 'gem' in path?

17:14 <shevy> workmad3 yeah, well, I think matz only added it because he was asked to add it at a conference once

17:14 <sjeijk> i have gem file in redmine folder and in the plugin folders

17:14 <shevy> so if you want to get in some feature to ruby, go and ask matz live :-)

17:14 <shevy> is this euruko thing happening btw?

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17:15 <benzrf> banister: yo look @ this

17:15 <benzrf> [1, 2, 3].map &(arg + 4 * 2)

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17:15 <abdulsattar> Guys when will `gem list` return nil?

17:15 <shevy> ewww still no twitter response

17:15 <shevy> been 2 weeks, I guess there will be no euruko

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17:15 <shevy> abdulsattar I don't think it can

17:16 <shevy> on a fresh install it probably won't

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17:16 <shevy> I am compiling 2.1.1 anew to test

17:16 <benzrf> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/178eb2d6580b54198aa8 <- i think has already been done

17:16 <abdulsattar> Well it's actually returning nil in case in redmine_contacts.rb

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17:17 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: do you use liquid?

17:17 <abdulsattar> liquid templating engine?

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17:17 <sjeijk> im not sure if the app uses that abdulsattar

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17:18 <abdulsattar> Ok, delete line 57 in lib/redmine_contacts.rb

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17:18 <abdulsattar> you should probably be set

17:18 <benzrf> hmmmm are there any ruby confs that are not about rails that i could attend

17:18 <benzrf> which are in the us or canada

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17:19 <sjeijk> require_dependency 'redmine_contacts/hooks/controllers_time_entry_reports_hook' ? abdulsattar

17:19 <havenwood> abdulsattar: if you ever return `nil` from `cmd` something is terribly awry

17:19 <havenwood> abdulsattar: `cmd` → string

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17:20 <havenwood> abdulsattar: All living Rubies ship with default gems.

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17:20 <havenwood> abdulsattar: gems which `gem uninstall --all` does not uninstall

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17:20 <abdulsattar> abdulsattar: I am returning nothing, it's just that `gem list` returns nil.

17:20 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: not that line

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17:21 <abdulsattar> require 'redmine_contacts/liquid/liquid' if `gem list`.match('liquid') # this one

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17:21 <abdulsattar> I downloaded it from the link yo ugave me

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17:22 <abdulsattar> *you gave

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17:22 <f0ster_> Hello everyone

17:22 <havenwood> hi

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17:22 <sigurding> havenwood: I am trying 2.0 currently

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17:22 <havenwood> abdulsattar: shelling out with backticks doesn't return nil ever, i'm really confused what you mean

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17:22 <sigurding> but I am not sure why this is so buggy, and difficult to debug

17:22 <sjeijk> <3 abdulsattar !!!

17:22 * havenwood is just confused today. So sad.

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17:23 <sigurding> what does this segmentation error mean?

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17:23 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: haha, awesome

17:23 <sjeijk> thank you so much!!! abdulsattar

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17:23 <abdulsattar> havenwood: see that was the error

17:23 <abdulsattar> it was returning nil

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17:24 <sjeijk> I will make a bug for the guys that wrote this plugin

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17:24 <shevy> you will make a bug?

17:24 <sjeijk> report

17:24 <shevy> I am gonna add some bugs too!

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17:24 <sjeijk> :p

17:24 <shevy> ;-)

17:24 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: I don't think it's the guy's fault

17:24 <f0ster_> im tasked with building a new restful API, and a cms that admins can use to manage the content/data. I th ink rails makes sense for the cms part, but what do you all think aboiut the API piece? is rails overkill? shouldnt I have some shared repository code in both projcets ? I know "the rails way" doesnt really use the repository method, just looking for tips on how to architect this perhaps, with TDD too

17:24 <havenwood> abdulsattar: oh, ``gem list`.match('liquid')`, gotcha - so just no #match

17:25 <Hanmac> havenwood: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8103387904/hC5D63F2A/

17:25 <sjeijk> abdulsattar i wont blame him, but atleast then he will be aware of it

17:25 <shevy> man

17:25 <shevy> Hanmac really likes that pic

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17:25 <stringoO> what does putting an @ before variables do in a class?

17:25 <havenwood> where does its eyes go on the last frame? suspicious!

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17:26 <abdulsattar> sjeijk: what did the error message say previously, it said: 'undefined method match for NilClass' right?

17:26 <havenwood> stringoO: tells the parser you've got an @instance_variable not a local_variable.

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17:26 <sjeijk> yes

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17:26 <havenwood> so odd

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17:26 <stringoO> havenwood: thanks

17:26 <havenwood> monkeypatching #`?

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17:26 <abdulsattar> I don't know

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17:27 * havenwood head explodes.

17:27 * abdulsattar is just happy sjeijk 's system is working :)

17:27 <havenwood> \o/

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17:27 * sjeijk too

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17:28 <shevy> havenwood did not get enough sleep today :(

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17:28 <havenwood> shevy: so true, up half the night watching last season of Homeland

17:28 <shevy> haha

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17:48 <benzrf> hej ja

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17:58 <shevy> what up benzrf

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18:07 <Prometheian> I'm using ruby/capybara/cucumber to write a regression test (new to Ruby so taking baby steps). In my feature file I have "Given I log in as admin" and I'm trying to get that in my ruby file, but I can't seem to get it to catch it. "Given (^/I log in as (.*)$/) do |user|". Anyone know what my regex is doing wrong?

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18:09 <bitcycle> [rvm-related] Hey all. Can someone tell me how bad will it be if I accidentally deleted my global gemset?

18:09 <apeiros> `Given /^I log in as (.*)$/ do`

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18:09 <benzrf> bitcycle: is this a 'hypothetical question'

18:09 <apeiros> bitcycle: horrible - earth will stop moving. #rvm is usually helpful.

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18:09 <bitcycle> benzrf: not hypothetical. lol.

18:10 <bitcycle> benzrf: I recreated it, so I think I'm ok, but I figured that I would ask.

18:10 <Prometheian> apeiros: did not fix :s

18:10 <bitcycle> apeiros: I also asked there, but there's far fewer folks and activity on that channel.

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18:11 <apeiros> bitcycle: if you cross post, *tell so*

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18:11 <bitcycle> apeiros: my bad.

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18:14 <apeiros> Prometheian: "did not fix" is not a problem description.

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18:15 <Prometheian> Okay. I tried using your line but it didn't not cause it to pick up admin as input

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18:15 <Prometheian> I believe that only the (.*) needs to be changed but I'm not sure in exactly what way.

18:15 <apeiros> Prometheian: still very vague and impossible to tell a) what exactly happened, b) what exactly you did

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18:16 <apeiros> I think you need to drop the anchors. cucumbers examples don't use them.

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18:17 <bitcycle> apeiros: still no response on #rvm ... arg.

18:18 <apeiros> bitcycle: in the worst case, `rvm implode` and reinstall all new

18:18 <apeiros> but I'm pretty sure there is a less painful way

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18:19 <bitcycle> apeiros: thanks!

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18:20 <mordocai> Anyone know of a git API gem that has proper submodule support? It looks like ruby-git does with https://github.com/schacon/ruby-git/pull/19 but that pull request is 3 years old.

18:20 <shevy> hey all you sudo guys, http://www.sudo.ws/repos/sudo/rev/748cefb49422

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18:20 <shevy> from: if (okvar == FALSE)

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18:20 <shevy> to: if (okvar == TRUE)

18:20 <shevy> haha :D

18:20 <apeiros> mordocai: I think the consensus is that rugged is the git gem to use

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18:21 <apeiros> mordocai: don't know about its submodule support

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18:22 <mordocai> apeiros: Well, at looks actively developed. I might add submodule support myself if it isn't there

18:22 <mordocai> at least it looks*

18:22 <newton> is there a method somewhere like python's urllib.quote that'll change stuff like #hashtag to %23hashtag etc?

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18:22 <apeiros> newton: CGI

18:22 <apeiros> also URI

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18:24 <newton> apeiros: any idea what the method is off the top of your head :)?

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18:24 <mordocai> apeiros: Awww... someone started it but never finished https://github.com/libgit2/rugged/pull/246. Sounds like they ran into libgit2 issues

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18:25 <dgarstang3> Why would the chef GUI show a cookbook as being on the server, and the client bitch that it isnt there when it obviously is?

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18:25 <apeiros> newton: dude, `ri CGI` shows you like 6 methods…

18:25 <apeiros> newton: I think it's `escape` with both.

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18:25 <Rylee> URI.escape String

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18:26 <newton> Rylee: bingo

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18:28 <apeiros> mordocai: oh wow, 8 months :-/

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18:29 <mjc_> mordocai: gitlab surely uses something

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18:41 <phat4life> why does this give a syntax error? https://gist.github.com/ajbeach2/9554037

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18:42 <benzrf> phat4life: i am e%amining your code

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18:43 <benzrf> phat4life: quick note, yield is a keyword

18:43 <benzrf> you dont need parens

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18:43 <benzrf> phat4life: to the point:

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18:43 <benzrf> phat4life: {|x| x + 1} is not a literal

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18:43 <benzrf> it's a special syntax that can only come after a method call

18:43 <benzrf> there is no comma before it

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18:43 <benzrf> phat4life: also, you can't use the {} form without parens around the arguments of the method

18:44 <benzrf> you can use do..end without parens

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18:44 <phat4life> i see

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18:44 <benzrf> so you want:

18:44 <benzrf> foo(100) {|x| x * 100}

18:44 <benzrf> or:

18:44 <phat4life> the do end way works

18:44 <benzrf> foo 100 do |x| x * 100end

18:44 <benzrf> oops

18:44 <benzrf> foo 100 do |x| x * 100 end

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18:45 <phat4life> word thanks

18:45 * apeiros would like to clarify that `yield is a keyword` and `you don't need parens` are unrelated

18:45 <benzrf> apeiros: =P

18:45 <phat4life> yeah but i can put params if i want to

18:46 <phat4life> its more readable for people who don't know ruby

18:46 <benzrf> >> yield = 3

18:46 <eval-in> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-c57ff4ea5262/source-c57ff4ea5262:2: syntax error, unexpected '=' ... (https://eval.in/120350)

18:46 <shevy> benzrf what are you doing

18:46 <benzrf> see, kw

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18:46 <benzrf> you cant have a var called that

18:46 <shevy> you are a language Ronin

18:46 <benzrf> clearly

18:46 <apeiros> "its more readable for people who don't know ruby" is a bad argument IMO

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18:47 <phat4life> not reallyu

18:47 <shevy> zacmc kraken was more readable!

18:47 <phat4life> its valid syntax

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18:47 <apeiros> don't write code for people who don't know the language you write the code in. except if you're writing a book teaching it.

18:47 <shevy> 'OPEN DOOR'

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18:47 <shevy> my code teaches people

18:47 <apeiros> phat4life: it's still silly.

18:47 <phat4life> let me re-iterate: its valid syntax

18:47 <apeiros> phat4life: you don't write fortran style in C because some fortran people might read it.

18:47 <shevy> ewwww fortran

18:48 <shevy> program hello

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18:48 <shevy> print *, "Hello World!"

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18:48 <shevy> end program hello

18:48 <shevy> hmm

18:48 <shevy> that almost looks like ruby actually :)

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18:49 <apeiros> phat4life: the &block there is unecessary btw. - it even makes ruby do more work for nothing (forces it to convert the block to a proc, which you never use)

18:49 <phat4life> i want to pass a proc eventually though

18:49 <phat4life> but good to know

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18:50 <shevy> hehe

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18:50 <shevy> eventually

18:50 <shevy> like when

18:50 <apeiros> phat4life: if you pass a proc, then it won't even work with the &

18:50 <shevy> in 10 years? :)

18:50 <benzrf> B^U

18:50 <phat4life> ok, so if i pass a proc, i don't need &

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18:50 <apeiros> &arg is only to capture block args, not ordinary args.

18:50 <shevy> I'd like to have a proc that would capture the whole snapshot of ruby

18:50 <shevy> benzrf how about that ^^^ like a smalltalk image

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18:50 <phat4life> its reasons like this i prefer c

18:50 <apeiros> phat4life: I'd convert the proc to a block on the caller side.

18:51 <benzrf> shevy: pfft

18:51 <shevy> cool, C and ruby have like the same niche

18:51 <phat4life> exactly

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18:51 <shevy> I am gonna write my apps in C-on-Cails next

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18:52 <phat4life> &arg is only to capture block args, not ordinary args. can you elaborate on this

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18:53 <benzrf> i prefer groovy on grails

18:53 <benzrf> it should be grooby

18:53 <phat4life> I know that in minit test, it uses the block to defined the test methods dynamically

18:53 <shevy> phat4life I think it has to do with finding valid syntax

18:54 <shevy> the &foo only appears as a regular argument

18:54 <phat4life> what i had was valid syntax though, which is what is confusing

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18:54 <phat4life> shevy so i can do stuff with &foo

18:54 <phat4life> like

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18:55 <apeiros> phat4life: def foo(arg); end; foo { 1+1 } # <-- this will raise, the block is not a normal arg, it is not assigned to `arg`

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18:56 <shevy> I don't like the &foo notation myself, when I see it in something like: def foo(a,b,c,d,e,&f) it confuses me on a first glance

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18:56 <apeiros> phat4life: def foo(&arg); end; foo { 1+1 } # <-- this will work, it lets ruby convert the block (which is not an object) into a Proc instance (which is an object) and assign it to the variable `arg`

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18:56 <shevy> and when you pass a {} to that as well, my confusion intensifies

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18:57 <apeiros> if you use `yield` and `block_given?`, you don't need the &arg to be present. you don't need to somehow tell ruby that the method takes a block.

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18:57 <shevy> I like yield and block_given? a lot

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18:57 <benzrf> block_given? is 2magic

18:57 <benzrf> its so perlsyntax

18:57 <benzrf> *perl

18:58 <shevy> nah it is ok, only a trailing ? character benzrf

18:58 <apeiros> the &arg syntax is useful if you want to pass the block on or want to store it to execute later. else it's not needed.

18:58 <apeiros> phat4life: enough elaboration?

18:58 <phat4life> apeiros: yes

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18:58 <phat4life> apeiros: i know in minitest, the test method takes a &arg

18:58 <shevy> people when seeing & can get confused... newcomer question: "What means: ["abc\n","defh\n"].map(&:chomp) ?")

18:58 <phat4life> and it defines a method dynamically

18:58 <phat4life> using that block

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18:59 <havenwood> shevy: $: signifies that the chomp is angry!

18:59 <apeiros> phat4life: yes, that's the "if you want to pass the block on" part

18:59 <phat4life> well in other languages & is a reference, like a pointer

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18:59 <shevy> havenwood that is cool but where is $: ? :-)

18:59 <apeiros> phat4life: yeah, ruby isn't "other languages"

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18:59 <phat4life> yeah well, not everyone starts at ruby

18:59 <shevy> havenwood to bed with you now man, this is only getting worse!

18:59 <apeiros> you can pull up an arbitrary number of languages with an arbitrary different meaning for an arbitrary sigil.

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18:59 <shevy> phat4life nobody is perfect! I started with perl, then php

18:59 <dstynchula> anyone in here a chef ninja?

19:00 <apeiros> not everyone starts with C either.

19:00 <shevy> I am a banana ninja, does that help?

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19:00 <dstynchula> not strictly a ruby question.

19:00 <dstynchula> :)

19:00 <phat4life> i started java, c++, c, python, mips, ruby

19:00 <shevy> java!

19:00 <phat4life> and php in there somewhere

19:00 <shevy> that's where the problem started!

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19:00 <phat4life> i prefer c++ over everything actually

19:00 <phat4life> but ruby is fun

19:00 <centrx> PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth.

19:00 <benzrf> ^

19:00 <shevy> ruby also has << like c++

19:00 <benzrf> centrx++

19:00 <shevy> lol centrx

19:00 <shevy> I almost forgot it was coming...

19:00 <phat4life> o actually, my favorite language is ocaml

19:00 <benzrf> shevy: << is just lshift

19:01 <benzrf> phat4life: i enjoy haskell

19:01 <shevy> phat4life you can not even decide

19:01 <shevy> you are a language Ronin like benzrf

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19:01 <phat4life> don't make me choose….its like choosing a favorite child

19:01 <shevy> no please don't let benzrf explain haskell again, everyone is sooooo tired of it :(

19:01 <benzrf> =D

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19:01 <benzrf> but haskell is neet

19:01 <shevy> it always starts with an explanation of endofunctors and monoids

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19:01 <benzrf> anyway ttyl yallsd

19:01 <benzrf> *yall

19:02 <benzrf> dude i dont know shit about endofunctors

19:02 <benzrf> i do know profunctors tho!

19:02 <phat4life> i wrote a lexer and parses for java in ocaml once, that was fun

19:02 <shevy> someone else was here who said that

19:02 <shevy> when he was explaining monads

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19:02 <benzrf> they're just bifunctors that are contravariant in the first arg

19:02 <shevy> cool

19:02 <benzrf> :-D

19:02 <shevy> but you are no longer using java right phat4life

19:02 <benzrf> c u

19:02 <benzrf> i have a bouncer now which is p sweet

19:02 <shevy> yeah

19:02 <shevy> die benzrf

19:03 <phat4life> no, i wish i was doing c++ but i get paid too much to not be good at ruby

19:03 <benzrf> anyway if u msg me while i am offline i should recv it eventually

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19:03 <benzrf> B)

19:03 <benzrf> bye

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19:03 <shevy> phat4life you get paid for ruby but you have not been using ruby for long?

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19:03 <phat4life> like 2 years

19:03 <shevy> ah ok

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19:03 <shevy> 2 years is quite a bit

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19:03 <phat4life> ruby was harder to learn that c++

19:03 <shevy> ruby is indeed not that easy in some aspects

19:04 <phat4life> i was doing my more algorithmic stuff in c++, like graph traversal

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19:04 <shevy> the question is whether you really need all features

19:04 <phat4life> features of what

19:04 <shevy> of what ruby can offer to you

19:04 <phat4life> yeah

19:04 <shevy> hmm

19:04 <shevy> I settled for minimal ruby

19:04 <phat4life> well, i mainly work on rails applications

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19:05 <shevy> rails is strange :\

19:05 <phat4life> meh, better than cakephp

19:05 <shevy> so many strange :has_bla :do_ya things

19:05 <phat4life> i hate some things about rails

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19:05 <phat4life> but it works well for what we are doing

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19:17 <bricker> Best option when I just want to get the contents of a file to a String and not worry about closing? File.read("filename") ?

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19:21 <centrx> bricker, That function doesn't exist?

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19:24 <shevy> bricker yeah though I often use File.readlines; also, make sure you check whether the file exists, before trying to read it

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19:30 <JBlazeCoder21> does anyone know how to retrieve a password on limechat?

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19:31 <phat4life> is yield a function

19:31 <phat4life> or is it more like a return or goto

19:31 <JBlazeCoder21> I am trying to add a channel, and its asking for a paswword. I tried going to the limechat website and there is option to resend this info.

19:31 <JBlazeCoder21> *no

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19:32 <shevy> phat4life hmm... block_given? is in module Kernel: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.1/Kernel.html#method-i-block_given-3F

19:32 <shevy> http://ruby-doc.org/docs/keywords/1.9/ says that yield is a keyword

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19:33 <apeiros> phat4life: yield is a keyword

19:33 <apeiros> it works like a method, though

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19:50 <bricker> shevy: thanks!

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19:52 <lampe2> hey got a problem i got a hash with multiple values and every value has a name these names are sometimes numbers and sometimes letters now i want to sort them that i first see the letters and then the numbers. can someone give me a hint how to do that?

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19:54 <sdelmore1> I have a bit of ruby code I don't understand, hoping someone can explain it to me….

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19:54 <sdelmore1> if I do 10.class I get fixnum, if I to 10.to_time I get 10 years, if I do 10.to_time.class I get float.

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19:54 <phat4life> sdelmore1: post a gist

19:55 <sdelmore1> That makes no sense to me. How is "10 years" a float?

19:55 <sdelmore1> And wouldn't I expect .to_time to return a class time?

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19:55 <centrx> sdelmore1, You must be using some library that has Fixnum#to_time ?

19:55 <centrx> sdelmore1, This method is not in core Ruby

19:56 <sdelmore1> Might be a rails thing?

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19:56 <centrx> sdelmore1, Yes, if you are using ActiveSupport. to_time probably changes it to an ActiveSupport::Duration, which often pretends to act like a number

19:57 <centrx> That is a possibility

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19:57 <sdelmore1> Wow. That appears to be what is happening. So you're saying I have an ActiveSupport::Duration that is lying to me and saying it is a float?

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19:57 <centrx> sdelmore1, On the other hand, my Rails installation does not have Fixnum#to_time either, so it must be something else

19:57 <centrx> sdelmore1, NoMethodError: undefined method `to_time' for 10:Fixnum

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19:58 <shevy> sdelmore1 never trust gems that modify core things of ruby completely

19:58 <sdelmore1> Ahh…I see mine does the same actually. I was pasting in an example of what I thought was happening, but this isn't quite right. This helps, thank

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19:58 <sdelmore1> Thank you.

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20:03 <phat4life> would it be corrent to say that ruby is dynamically typed?

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20:05 <centrx> phat4life, Yes

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20:07 <shevy> what means dynamically typed

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20:08 <pipework> shevy: is when you get drunk and go on IRC.

20:08 <shevy> lol

20:08 <atmosx> hey shevy what's up

20:08 <shevy> hey atmosx!

20:08 <shevy> atmosx dunno... I am on ruby 2.1.1 suddenly!

20:08 <atmosx> shevy: hahah awesome

20:08 <pipework> phat4life: Ruby doesn't have a compile time that's different from runtime, so...

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20:08 <pipework> To the user, it's the same thing.

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20:09 <shevy> atmosx haha yeah, tenderlove had kept an old copy of syck as a gem, I installed it and it worked. now I am going through a lot of old scripts and fix them so that 2.1.1 no longer complains or errors about them

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20:09 <atmosx> shevy: cool

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20:09 <shevy> menu.rb:1179: warning: duplicated when clause is ignored

20:09 <shevy> menu.rb:693: warning: duplicated when clause is ignored

20:09 <shevy> myriads of these warnings

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20:11 <pipework> shevy: That's silly, you can never have too many whens.

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20:12 <shevy> I know! but ruby complains

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20:12 <pipework> silly rubby

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20:14 <BeingUntoDeath> noob question... so @ is call a method?

20:14 <BeingUntoDeath> cause sometimes i see it being use and sometimes not.

20:15 <BeingUntoDeath> as in, @ect

20:15 <BeingUntoDeath> nvm, that's not right.

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20:15 <BeingUntoDeath> it's to define something?

20:15 <phat4life> @ect is a instance variable

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20:17 <shevy> BeingUntoDeath it is not a method

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20:17 <shevy> BeingUntoDeath you can use it to hold persistent data in your class

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20:18 <shevy> >> class Foo; def initialize; @_ = 'Yo BeingUntoDeath is in the house!'; end; def bla; puts @_; end; end; Foo.new.bla

20:18 <eval-in> shevy => Yo BeingUntoDeath is in the house! ... (https://eval.in/120374)

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20:18 <shevy> I hate duplicates in case when menus, it is so boring to fix these warnings :(

20:19 <BeingUntoDeath> hmmmmmmmmmmm... thank you very much.

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20:21 <snickers> I need help with regular expresion, let say that I have string like that 'aaaaaaaaabaaaaaabpaaaaabdaa' and I want to change evryone 'b' to 'bd' but I need leve 'bd' untached. I want to return something like that 'aaaaaaaaabdaaaaaabdpaaaaabdaa'

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20:23 <dseitz> Look up gsub

20:23 <phat4life> use sed jk

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20:24 <benzrf> hey yo

20:24 <snickers> dseitz: yes, but i don't know how to proper expresion for gsub

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20:26 <dseitz> It accepts Regexp or just a string

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20:26 <shevy> snickers rubular is good

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20:26 <shevy> http://rubular.com/

20:26 <shevy> input your test string

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20:26 <shevy> first task is to find the regex that gives you the proper matches

20:27 <snickers> and this is my problem ;)

20:27 <dseitz> then fail test it

20:27 <shevy> so the regex must look for b, but not for d

20:27 <shevy> /b[^d]/

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20:27 <shevy> this is what rubular tells me

20:27 <shevy> try it at rubular

20:27 <dseitz> There's a good documentation on Regexp on ruby-doc.org

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20:27 <dseitz> Rubular actually serves as a good tutorial

20:28 <snickers> i try this b[^d] will match bp but not single b

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20:28 <shevy> pipework, dseitz also seems to like the documentation

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20:28 <pipework> shevy: Documentation is for idiots.

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20:28 <shevy> snickers hmm so the next char must be excluded

20:28 <shevy> snickers what if you try to capture in () ?

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20:29 <benzrf> banister: yo did u see the upgraded proc-creation doohickey i made

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20:30 <shevy> snickers there is some way to tell the amount ... {1} or something like that

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20:31 <shevy> >> "aeeaaaaaaaaabaaaaaabpaaaaabdaa".scan /(b+){1}[^d]/

20:31 <eval-in> shevy => [["b"], ["b"]] (https://eval.in/120378)

20:31 <shevy> hmm

20:31 <shevy> I think you can do that via .gsub too somehow

20:31 <benzrf> dang bouncers are sweet

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20:31 <shevy> >> "aeeaaaaaaaaabaaaaaabpaaaaabdaa".gsub /(b+){1}[^d]/,'X'

20:31 <eval-in> shevy => "aeeaaaaaaaaaXaaaaaXaaaaabdaa" (https://eval.in/120379)

20:31 <shevy> snickers, how about that ^^^

20:31 <shevy> I guess you can simplify the regex

20:32 <shevy> but regexes make me ANGRY

20:32 <shevy> someone must die here

20:32 <jamto11> what does **_ do in the method params?

20:32 <shevy> ack, that ** is something new

20:32 <dseitz> shevy: I'm afraid to ask :)

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20:32 <shevy> I think it has something to do with that ... new keyword arguments stuff

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20:32 <jamto11> def get_date_range(start_date: nil, end_date: nil, time_period: nil, **_)

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20:32 <shevy> dseitz see there is no magic to it, I am clueless about regexes, I throw at rubular until something useful comes out, if that still does not work, I ask RubyPanther

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20:33 <lampe2> hey got a problem i got a hash with multiple values and every value has a name these names are sometimes numbers and sometimes letters now i want to sort them that i first see the letters and then the numbers. can someone give me a hint how to do that?

20:33 <benzrf> lampe2: please, use some punctuation

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20:33 <benzrf> i cannot understand what you want <_<'

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20:34 <dseitz> Ahhh well regular expressions can get detailed that is for sure. I usually spend some time with rubular and the pickaxe guide lol

20:34 <banister> benzrf no bb, link

20:34 <benzrf> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/178eb2d6580b54198aa8

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20:34 <benzrf> usage:

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20:34 <Hanmac> jamto11: key rest arguments (PS: you dont need the "_")

20:34 <benzrf> [1, 2, 3].map &(arg + 2 * 3)

20:34 <benzrf> oops

20:34 <benzrf> that wont work right :y

20:35 <benzrf> i meant * 3 + 2

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20:35 <jamto11> hanmac what do u mean key rest arguments?

20:35 <jamto11> what is rest?

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20:36 <Hanmac> jamto11: start_date & end_date are named/ key arguments ... ** are the rest (named arguments that are not used)

20:36 <jamto11> ah i see

20:36 <jamto11> thanks

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20:36 <RubyPanther> >> 'aaaaaaaaabaaaaaabpaaaaabdaa'.gsub(/b(?!d)/,'bd')

20:36 <eval-in> RubyPanther => "aaaaaaaaabdaaaaaabdpaaaaabdaa" (https://eval.in/120384)

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20:38 <Hanmac> jamto11: https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/4416563#1119372

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20:38 <hrrz> trying to write an algorithm for string matching in an array. this is the desired input/output: http://pastebin.com/7vqda73K

20:38 <RubyPanther> snickers: I'd use a negative lookahead

20:38 <benzrf> banister: u there?

20:38 <hrrz> any suggestions?

20:38 <benzrf> what is snickers doing that needs negative lookahead D:

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20:38 <RubyPanther> "change evryone 'b' to 'bd' but I need leve 'bd' untached"

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20:39 <banister> benzrf show me code bb

20:39 <benzrf> i said https://gist.github.com/anonymous/178eb2d6580b54198aa8

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20:39 <RubyPanther> peeking ahead is simpler than all that other stuff

20:39 <benzrf> =p

20:39 <lampe2> I hava a ActiveRecord Collection [<Object name: 1>, <Object name: 10> <Object name: "bla">] now i want to sort that collection. First the "bla" and then the integers orderd asc.

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20:39 <benzrf> RubyPanther: how about

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20:40 <benzrf> /b([^d])/, d$1

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20:40 <banister> benzrf too complicated, but cool :)

20:40 <RubyPanther> ugh, now you have to save something and put it back. that is a lot more work than checking and not saving

20:41 <benzrf> how is it too complicated?

20:41 <benzrf> :I

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20:41 <banister> benzrf method_missing

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20:41 <RubyPanther> well, the least complicated is better than the more complicated, not that something is too complicated

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20:42 <benzrf> banister: how else would you do it o.O

20:42 <RubyPanther> but saving state vs not saving state, if you don't actually need the state, you probably don't want it. Usually I love saving state.

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20:44 <banister> benzrf i wouldn't, if you have to resort to that, it's not good

20:44 <benzrf> banister: do u understand how it works

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20:44 <benzrf> *what it does

20:44 <benzrf> [{foo: 1}, {foo: 2}].map &arg[:foo]

20:45 <benzrf> [{foo: 1}, {foo: 2}].map &(arg[:foo] + 1)

20:45 <benzrf> ^werx

20:45 <benzrf> maaan i gotta go

20:45 <benzrf> bbl

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20:46 <Hanmac> benzrf: you want this: https://gist.github.com/Hanmac/ab77c649d799ade9670c

20:46 <banister> benzrf google for ampex

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20:46 <banister> Hanmac this is the best https://gist.github.com/banister/9551558

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20:51 <certainty> [1,-2,3,-4].map(&:abs | :+[2]) #=> [3,4,5,6]

20:52 <certainty> seems as if almost everybody has played around with that :)

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20:58 <sobersabre> hi, I haven not touched ruby for about 4 years.

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20:58 <centrx> sobersabre, You've been missing out

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21:00 <sobersabre> yep. need reference of "singleton" pattern, need to setup a logger.

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21:01 <sobersabre> please point me to the right direction.

21:01 <sobersabre> I can read.

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21:04 <centrx> sobersabre, I don't know, there's always http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.1/libdoc/singleton/rdoc/Singleton.html

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21:07 <sobersabre> thanks. reading.

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21:15 <shevy> certainty wow

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21:16 <shevy> certainty what is that

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21:18 <benzrf> im baaack

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21:18 <certainty> shevy: just something i played around with. The main idea was to chain calls to procedures with | %w[foo Bar baz].map(&:downcase | :reverse | :capitalize) etc.

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21:18 <benzrf> hows it goin ruby peeples

21:19 <shevy> certainty ah but this is not regular ruby or?

21:19 <certainty> shevy: nope

21:19 <slash_kick> whew

21:19 <shevy> k, I am relieved now, continue with your experiments :D

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21:20 <slash_kick> shevy: scary huh?

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21:20 <certainty> shevy: well it is regular ruby ... a library :p

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21:20 <benzrf> Hanmac: mine is more versatile

21:20 <benzrf> :y

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21:21 <hfp> Hi! Is there a way to write more concise if statements with multiple conditions? Something like `if a, b, c puts 'hi'` rather than `if a && if b && if c puts 'hi'` ?

21:21 <dstynchula> case?

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21:21 <shevy> slash_kick as long as it is some secret tiny little evil library that never gets used by anyone else, I don't mind

21:21 <shevy> :P

21:22 <slash_kick> hfp: Array#all?()

21:22 <hfp> dstynchula: Testing if a, b, and c are set

21:22 <benzrf> hmm looks like ampex is basically the same thing

21:22 <benzrf> that i made

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21:22 <shevy> hfp, yes, case when menu: x = 'foo'; case x; when /fo/; puts 'hi there'; end

21:22 <dstynchula> what he said. :)

21:22 <shevy> when 'a','b','c'

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21:22 <shevy> regex // works too of course

21:23 <benzrf> hfp: yep, you want Array#all?

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21:23 <benzrf> [cond1, cond2, cond3].all?

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21:23 <slash_kick> >> a, b, c = 1, 2, nil;[a,b,c].all?

21:23 <eval-in> slash_kick => false (https://eval.in/120398)

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21:23 <slash_kick> >> a, b, c = 1, 2, "weeee";[a,b,c].all?

21:23 <eval-in> slash_kick => true (https://eval.in/120399)

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21:23 <benzrf> if you give all? a block, it uses that as a filter!

21:24 <hfp> Looks like it, yes, let me read the doc for the all method

21:24 <benzrf> *filter as in it applies it to each first

21:24 <slash_kick> doesn't need a block to check if their not nil

21:24 <benzrf> not as in select!

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21:24 <benzrf> slash_kick: ik, i was just pointing out :u

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21:25 <slash_kick> man that question got a lot of feedback :)

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21:25 <shevy> well

21:26 <shevy> people like easy questions

21:26 <shevy> or misreading these questions

21:26 <benzrf> =D

21:26 <shevy> and benzrf is hyperactive

21:26 <slash_kick> he's emoting all over the place lol

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21:26 <shevy> lol

21:26 <slash_kick> <3 benzrf

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21:27 <benzrf> :y

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21:27 <benzrf> i use emoticons as a replacement for body language ;p

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21:28 <banister> benzrf google ampex

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21:29 <banister> benzrf https://github.com/rapportive-oss/ampex

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21:30 <benzrf> banister: i looked it up ;p

21:30 <benzrf> it appears to be basically the same thing i sent you

21:30 <banister> benzrf baby doesnt like it

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21:30 <certainty> anaphoric

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21:32 <benzrf> certainty: what's anaphoric?

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21:32 <benzrf> *what is it that is anaphoric

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21:35 <shevy> perhaps the opposite of euphoric

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21:36 <shevy> hmm nope

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21:36 <shevy> the dictionary says it is back referring

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21:40 <certainty> benzrf: the ampex library ... [1,2,3].map &(X + 3)

21:40 <RubyPanther> shevy: it was: 'aaaaaaaaabaaaaaabpaaaaabdaa'.gsub(/b(?!d)/,'bd')

21:40 <benzrf> certainty: yessss i know >_<

21:40 <benzrf> it is the same as mine =p

21:40 <benzrf> except with a constant instead of a method

21:40 <certainty> (a-if "foo" (string-reverse it)) ....

21:41 <shevy> RubyPanther haha cool

21:41 <benzrf> wot

21:41 <shevy> damn

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21:41 <shevy> certainty comes from the lisp base

21:41 <shevy> they try to take over ruby with ()

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21:41 <shevy> benzrf did you learn lisp?

21:41 <certainty> aif is a classic anaphoric macros

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21:42 <benzrf> i know me some lisp

21:42 <benzrf> certainty: ah i see

21:42 <benzrf> wait

21:42 <benzrf> maybe <_<

21:42 <benzrf> what does it do precisely .-.

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21:42 <certainty> it "injects" a binding ... *it* in this case

21:43 <benzrf> oh, it just sets the var?

21:43 <benzrf> like a single let?

21:43 <certainty> benzrf: it binds the result of the condition to an identifier that is injected and can be used in the consequence clause

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21:43 <benzrf> ooohhhh

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21:44 <benzrf> nifty: .

21:44 <benzrf> oops

21:44 <nifty> lol

21:44 <certainty> benzrf: yeah, not so hard in CL since this is just a common macro bug turned into a feature. Interesting to implement in scheme as many schemes enforce hygiene

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21:48 <benzrf> i wrote a toy lisp in haskell a little while BackEndCoder

21:49 <benzrf> *back

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21:49 <certainty> benzrf: cool, an interpreter or a compiler?

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21:49 <benzrf> interpreter, certainly

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21:49 <benzrf> do you think i have the patience or knowledge to make a compiler ;p

21:50 <benzrf> it's raw AST walking, like old-style mri

21:50 <certainty> benzrf: i'm working on a virtual machine for a scheme with immutable pairs in haskell. Basically as a toyproject to get better at haskell

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21:50 <RoryHughes> Sinatra vs. Grape (or other options), which do people find the best and why

21:50 <benzrf> my lisp is quite simple

21:50 <benzrf> RoryHughes: never heard of grape

21:51 <RoryHughes> benzrf: https://github.com/intridea/grape

21:51 <benzrf> my lisp is quite simple

21:51 <benzrf> it has runtime macros because im 2lazy for phase separation

21:51 <benzrf> it also has enforced purity

21:51 <benzrf> to be precise...

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21:52 <benzrf> in the underlying implementation, there is a type for an actual apply'able thing

21:52 <certainty> benzrf: do you have the code somewhere? Used parsec (attoparsec)?

21:52 <benzrf> which can be a haskell function or a lisp code body w/ args

21:52 <benzrf> gh/benzrf/toy-lisp

21:52 <benzrf> it's not so good

21:52 <benzrf> but it's OK

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21:52 <benzrf> all lisp values are in the type LispValue

21:52 <benzrf> wait maybe it was LispVal

21:52 <benzrf> so there are multiple data constructors that wrap a LispFunction into LispVal

21:52 <benzrf> *LispFunc

21:53 <certainty> benzrf: ah like in write yourself a scheme in 48 hours

21:53 <benzrf> and the argument evaluation scheme is based on which constructor it is wrapped in

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21:53 <benzrf> then i simply exposed rewrapper functions to the lisp

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21:53 <benzrf> so you can take your LispFunc wrapped in a WLispFunc and put it into a WLispMacro instead

21:53 <benzrf> :D

21:53 <banister> RoryHughes grape looks excessively DSLy

21:54 <benzrf> you cannot move haskell functions between wrappers however

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21:54 <benzrf> oh wait LispWMacro

21:54 <benzrf> my bad

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21:54 <certainty> benzrf: sounds cool. There is husk-scheme which features a haskell-ffi as well

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21:54 <benzrf> calling a function wrapped in LispWIPFunc [ip for impure] is an error if the current executing code is not also in a LispWIPFunc

21:55 <benzrf> as a consequence, macros are guaranteed to be pure

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21:57 <certainty> :) writing yourself a lisp is a always a worthy goal

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21:57 <benzrf> i enjoy mine because i did not follow a tutorial

21:57 <benzrf> B)

21:57 <benzrf> i kinda shoehorned in the use of lenses

21:57 <benzrf> ;p

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21:58 <benzrf> most of the code is in a triple-decker state-either-io monad

21:58 <benzrf> i /think/ it was in that order

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22:10 <shevy> hmm

22:10 <shevy> do you guys use apache

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22:10 <shevy> did you know that apache can silently fail

22:10 <shevy> if you specify inexistant files?

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22:11 <shevy> "TypesConfig blalbalbal_dir_does_not_exist/mime.types"

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22:11 <shevy> it won't start up - but it won't tell you on STDERR/STDOUT anything either why it failed

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22:13 <shevy> wow ... mime.types has 1588 entries

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22:26 <ashevaile> can someone explain what a definition like 'as :user do' definition in the routes.rb does?

22:27 <centrx> ashevaile, Visit #rubyonrails

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22:27 <ashevaile> np -- thanks centrx!

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22:34 <hfp> Could someone tell me what am I doing wrong there please: https://eval.in/120434 ? I guess it's from my each block... How am I supposed to write this then?

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22:35 <razrunelord> Hey guys, how do I create a cookie using ruby sockets alone?

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22:36 <shevy> no idea

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22:36 <shevy> ruby cgi comes with cookies though

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22:36 <shevy> cookie = CGI::Cookie.new "rubyweb", "CustID=123", "Part=ABC"

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22:39 <razrunelord> Hey shevy the cookie object is gettign set but it is not showing up the browser's javascript console

22:39 <snickers> one more question, did ruby can change EOL format when open file?

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22:41 <shevy> razrunelord yeah no idea about browser or javascript, sorry

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22:55 <benzrf> js a shit

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22:57 <shevy> lol

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23:13 <hfp> A question regarding best practice: when testing for values, is it preferable to use `==` or `===` ?

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23:14 <benzrf> hfp: well do you want == or ===

23:14 <benzrf> they have different semantics

23:15 <hfp> Yes, I meant in cases where either will do

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23:15 <hfp> when comparing values against numbers

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23:16 <hfp> I can have a "1" or a 1, I don't mind. I'm expecting a number but if I get a number as a string, it won't break my function

23:16 <hfp> so in such a case, should I use the stricter `===` or leave it as `==` ?

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23:17 <benzrf> === is not stricter

23:17 <benzrf> youre thinking of js

23:17 <benzrf> >> 1 === '1'

23:17 <eval-in> benzrf => false (https://eval.in/120453)

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23:17 <benzrf> >> 1 == '1'

23:17 <eval-in> benzrf => false (https://eval.in/120454)

23:17 <hfp> Oh

23:17 <benzrf> === is the hook for case

23:18 <benzrf> >> Fixnum === 3

23:18 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120455)

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23:18 <benzrf> >> proc {|n| n > 3} === 5

23:18 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120456)

23:18 <benzrf> >> (1..10) === 3

23:18 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120457)

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23:21 <hfp> I see, so == will only compare a single value with another one where === will return true if the value is within the range?

23:22 <hfp> Sorry if I'm slow, I'm strating with Ruby

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23:22 <hfp> starting*

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23:22 <hfp> Is === only used in case statements or do they have another use outside of them?

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23:24 <benzrf> hm?

23:24 <benzrf> === is supposed to be treating the lhs as a predicate and the rhs as a value to check

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23:24 <benzrf> as such it is used by case to check when clauses

23:24 <benzrf> i.e.

23:25 <benzrf> case foo

23:25 <benzrf> when bar

23:25 <benzrf> when baz

23:25 <benzrf> is like

23:25 <benzrf> if bar === foo

23:25 <benzrf> elsif baz === foo

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23:26 <hfp> I don't get it :(

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23:27 <hfp> is it reversed?

23:27 <hfp> why not foo === bar and foo === baz?

23:27 <benzrf> idk man

23:27 <benzrf> oh wait derp

23:27 <benzrf> because operators are methods on the left hand side

23:27 <benzrf> and the functionality should differ between predicates

23:28 <benzrf> therefore it should be a method on the predicate

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23:28 <benzrf> *the functionality should be up to the predicate, not the target

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23:30 <jackal_> hey everyone

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23:30 <hfp> If I remember that == if for any scenario and === is for case/when statements, am I good?

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23:30 <Guest68877> im having a big problem getting rake to work in relation to db:migrate in rails, is this a good place to ask, if not could someone please point me to the appropiate channel?

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23:31 <hfp> I guess I'll get the subtleties when I'm further on the learning curve

23:31 <hfp> if = is

23:32 <hfp> Guest40652: #RubyOnRails

23:32 <allinthegoodoffu> thanks

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23:32 <allinthegoodoffu> freenode?

23:32 <hfp> Yes

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23:34 <benzrf> hfp: == is for checking if two things are the same

23:35 <benzrf> hfp: === is for checking if the left hand side 'describes' the right hand side

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23:35 <benzrf> i.e. if lhs is a class

23:35 <benzrf> is rhs an instance

23:35 <benzrf> if it is a proc

23:35 <benzrf> is the result tree when passed rhs

23:35 <benzrf> if it is a range

23:35 <benzrf> is rhs in it

23:35 <benzrf> if its a regex

23:35 <benzrf> does rhs match

23:35 <allinthegoodoffu> wierd rubyonrails doesnt work

23:35 <benzrf> try just rails

23:35 <hfp> so === checks for type?

23:35 <allinthegoodoffu> invite only

23:35 <benzrf> no

23:35 <allinthegoodoffu> grrrr

23:36 <benzrf> wait, what?

23:36 <benzrf> i just told you a bunch of examples o-O

23:36 <hfp> allinthegoodoffu: #RubyOnRails on Freenode exists, I'm on there along with 414 other users

23:36 <allinthegoodoffu> its not letting me join for some reason

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23:37 <hfp> benzrf: Right, so /regex/ === regex will be false because the rhs is not a regex, is that correct?

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23:40 <jackal__> how do i identify with services?

23:41 <benzrf> hfp: yeah

23:41 <benzrf> wait wut

23:41 <benzrf> hfp: no

23:41 <benzrf> >> /fo+/ === 'fooooooo;

23:41 <eval-in> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-33db10af7c4b/source-33db10af7c4b:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/120468)

23:41 <benzrf> >> /fo+/ === 'fooooooo'

23:41 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120469)

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23:42 <hfp> benzq: Does this have to do with a Class is a Module is an Object is a BasicObject etc?

23:42 <benzrf> nnnoo?

23:42 <benzrf> foo === bar is just calling the === method on foo with bar as the argument

23:42 <sigurding> do I need require 'bundler/setup' in each file of my project?

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23:43 <benzrf> and convention dictates that the method should return whether or not foo 'matches' or 'represents' bar

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23:43 <benzrf> same as convention dictates that == should return whether foo is equal to bar

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23:44 <hfp> benzrf: I think I'm starting to get it... (1...10) === 2 is true because lhs 'represents' rhs

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23:44 <hfp> THis is probably not valid code but if you had Module === Class it would be true because a Class is a Module, does that work too?

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23:45 <benzrf> >> Module === Class

23:45 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120470)

23:45 <benzrf> why wouldnt it be valid code?

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23:45 <benzrf> to be precise

23:45 <hfp> Ah ok I didn't think it would work

23:45 <benzrf> Class is an instance of Class

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23:45 <benzrf> and Class is a subclass of Module

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23:45 <benzrf> therefore, Class is-a Module

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23:45 <benzrf> similarly

23:45 <benzrf> >> Module === Kernel

23:45 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120471)

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23:46 <benzrf> >> Module === Fixnum

23:46 <eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/120472)

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23:46 <hfp> I see! How do you call this 'tree' ? WHat should I search for in the doc to see the full tree of what is what?

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23:47 <benzrf> trew?

23:47 <benzrf> *tree

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23:47 <hfp> I don't know how to call it

23:48 <hfp> Do you understand what I mean by tree?

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23:48 <toretore> http://skilldrick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Ruby.png

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23:48 <shevy> gimp sucks so much

23:48 <hfp> toretore: Yes, something like that

23:48 <benzrf> you mean the class tree?

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23:48 <benzrf> >> 3.class

23:48 <eval-in> benzrf => Fixnum (https://eval.in/120474)

23:48 <benzrf> >> 3.class.superclass

23:48 <eval-in> benzrf => Integer (https://eval.in/120475)

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23:48 <benzrf> >> 3.class.superclass.class

23:48 <eval-in> benzrf => Class (https://eval.in/120476)

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23:48 <benzrf> etc

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23:49 <hfp> benzrf: Yes, what should I search for in the doc to see the complete tree of which class is the parent of which class?

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23:50 <benzrf> well, you can just use .class

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23:51 <hfp> I was hoping I could see it all laid out somewhere to get a comprehensive view of everything, is there such a thing?

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23:52 <hfp> Or is what toretore linked is all there si to it?

23:52 <hfp> is*

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23:53 <shevy> he wants an ancestor tree!

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23:54 <hfp> shevy: Haha maybe, I don't know how it is called!

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