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<banisterfiend> davidcelis i use it left - right and ------------ CENTER --------------
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<bluebie> how the heck do floats work in mri ruby? I thought stuff like r = 2.5; [r >= 2.5, r > 2.5] #=> [true, false] wouldn't work, because floats are imprecise.. but it works fine in MRI. Do I totally misunderstand the limitations of floats in general or is ruby doing something weird/cool?
<zastern> What happens with def initialize functions, when you inherit a class that has one?
<volty> bluebie: ruby does as every other language on the earth does: use the processor for comparing numbers
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<volty> zastern: you, usually, have to call 'super'
<bluebie> zastern: nothing magic. If you want the parent class's initialize to run, use the super keyword
<volty> zastern: though you can omit the initialize if you don't need one for the subclassed
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<zastern> Well, I'm writing some "commands", and the commands will all need to get the api endpoint, api key, etc, so I was going to write a base class to get them and inherit it in the other "commands"
<volty> (and then it calls, implicitly, the parent's one)
<zastern> maybe that's a bad way of doing it?
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<bluebie> fwiw here's how new works: def self.new *args, &proc; instance = self.alloc; instance.initialize(*args, &proc); return instance; end
<bluebie> I don't think it does any other stuff in ruby-land
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<bluebie> if you want to be strange you could override .new and do other initializey stuff in there.
<bnagy> zastern: don't use a class just to hold data
<zastern> bnagy: what's the right way?
<bnagy> dunno :)
<zastern> lol ok
<zastern> so why not?
<bluebie> zastern: whatever you like
<bnagy> I'd probably mix in a module which had a credentials method or something
<bnagy> all that stuff should probably sit in ENV though, otherwise it's hard to share your code
<bnagy> which is not an argument against using a module, just a note
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<bnagy> but just because I have an opinion about an approach being Wrong, doesn't mean I have a prescriptive one about what's Right
<volty> bnagy will pardon me, but the idea of writing a base class that holds the common variables is nice
<volty> later, but only later, zastern can refactor the base class and move somewhere else (module or else) - if needed
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<bnagy> volty: you're talking crap again
<volty> why?
<bnagy> because that's not how people write idiomatic ruby
<volty> and again respect to which case?
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<Andrevan> inheritance vs. composition, volty
<bnagy> we don't have multiple inheritance, it's stupid to waste it on being a data container when there are a bunch of other ways
<Andrevan> ruby would favor a module over a base class
<volty> idiomatic vs just-do-it
<Andrevan> in what way is a module harder to implement than a base class?
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<bnagy> it's actually easier, as well as cleaner
<volty> in a way that when you WORK you go strait and refine later - IF NEEDED
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<volty> no mix-max
<bnagy> yeah but that's not 'straight' it's just Wrong
<volty> no, you are just too pedantic, people
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<bnagy> you always seem to talk about your view as if it's the expedient one and we're all just overcomplicating things
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<volty> there are infinite style and approaches in programming
<volty> styles
<bnagy> whereas you're just Wrong
<volty> whereas i'm just right - if you have common variables (and, maybe, values) you move it to the base - WITH or WITHOUT modules
<bnagy> and honestly I don't really care how you write code, but I do care when you give people bad advice
* Nilium is confused by this discussion
<Nilium> Mainly 'cause volty doesn't appear to actually be saying anything of substance
<bnagy> this has happened before
<Nilium> It's like watching someone talk to emacs
<volty> you forget, dear, that he is novice
<Nilium> Are you Indian?
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<Nilium> Have to ask 'cause you used 'dear'
<volty> Nilium: antithetic
<volty> Nilium: say something of substance, or, at least, point out the substance of other's comments
<Nilium> For some reason a lot of Indian folks use "dear" in ways that'd be considered weird and/or offensive in the US and probably most other countries.
<volty> i didn't begin to offend
<volty> i just gave my OWN advice to zastern
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<Nilium> I'm not saying you did. I'm just asking if your use of "dear" is an Indian English dialect thing or a case of you being patronizing
<volty> it was bnagy that started, but later switched to "respect to other styles and ideas..."
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<Nilium> I don't care about your previous conversation, I'm only interested in your use of "dear" now.
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<volty> i know how to use the words, if I use "dear" I know why I'm using it
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<Nilium> I don't know why you're avoiding answering the question.
<volty> i don't know why are you insisting on that
<zastern> guys guys
<zastern> Don't fight over lil old me
<Nilium> Because it's interesting.
<volty> « <bnagy> volty: you're talking crap again »
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<bluebie> hey guys
<volty> Nilium: for me not :)!
<bluebie> you're on the internet
<bluebie> having an argument
<bluebie> over literally nothing
<Nilium> I like studying language, particularly differences in dialect, and if you're using "dear" because it's common in your dialect, I want to ask you about it.
<Nilium> If it's just to be patronizing, though, then I'm not really interested because that's boring.
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<volty> I use 'dear' when I feel offended. Enough?
<bnagy> you see it in some of the African english as well
<Nilium> Ok, then it's to be patronizing.
<Nilium> Didn't know that, but now I'm going to watch out for it.
<bluebie> my grandma used 'dear' all the time in a positive affectionate way
<volty> ahah
<Nilium> Yeah, but that's the normal usage
<bluebie> on that side english origin, living in australia
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<Nilium> You typically only hear it used by people who are very close, like from relatives or spouses or parents or what have you
<bnagy> but you need to have at least 40 years on someone to use it like that
<Nilium> The other common use is just to be patronizing, which is what happens to a lot of words that sound nice
<bnagy> like little old ladies can go around 'dear'ing anyone they like, just about
<Nilium> That said, I've seen it a _lot_ from Indian folks and that just interests me for whatever reason
<volty> look, back to the topic of contrast: i remember well when I was novice in ruby (though experienced in other langs), I remember when I have to do something and I am tired ---- save me from your pedantic modules, i prefer modules but I do it, very often, right in the class when implementing
<volty> got it?
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<bnagy> whereas volty is not a native english speaker
<bnagy> so I don't get upset by phrasing
<bnagy> just by the stupid advice and poor attitude
<volty> ah! :)
<volty> yes, dear!
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<bluebie> gosh I remember when I first was getting over my ideas that PHP wasn't a bad language, and came in to #ruby and found such a nice amazing positive community
<volty> as you please
<bluebie> it made me feel at home
<Nilium> I've seen folks get upset by differences in dialect, but usually 'cause they don't realize there's a difference
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<bluebie> Why The Lucky Stiff would later advise me that #ruby was where I wanted to be, not #ruby-lang
<bluebie> He was right
<bluebie> the positivity and excitement was wonderful
<popl> good drugs
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<popl> :P
<bluebie> It encouraged me to learn and do lots of interesting fun things :)
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<Nilium> I need good drugs.
<popl> I need to pass tests. :P
<Nilium> I have enough problems now that I'm actually trying to find a counselor and possibly medication to make me less insane.
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<volty> bluebie remembered me about theorists that brought down our chess circle - where we used to laugh and play
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<Nilium> I should start learning French again.
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<bluebie> In my experience dealing with Bipolar (misdiagnosed several times - depression, adhd, psychopathy), psychiatrists were often insane and often dangerously abusive. Psychologists were better but their solutions were largely the same, so after six months or so they had nothing new for me, and they all said the same stuff. Councellors were the most helpful, most engaged
<popl> but, ruby
<bluebie> So that's my little bit of experience. Councellors are the best thing, and use psychiatrists only to get drugs
<bluebie> mm yes ruby :)
<volty> psychologists are the most useless - imho
<banisterfiend> bluebie u are sharing too much bb
<popl> bb?
<Nilium> That's more or less why I decided to go with counseling before seeing a doctor, 'cause otherwise I'd just get fast-forwarded to medication, and that just makes things worse for me 'cause I have more anxiety issues than my lawn has specks of dirt.
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<popl> what's bb?
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<Nilium> Bulletin boards?
<moli> what's a good book (in paperback) for ruby beginners?
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<Nilium> Bullet bill, maybe.
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<bnagy> moli: most common recommendations are Learn To Program, or, if you're already fluent in another language The Ruby Programming Language
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<bnagy> first one is not as basic as it sounds
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<moli> by David Flanagan?
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<Nilium> It's been so long since I learned to program that I have no idea how to learn to program
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<bnagy> oh also the pickaxe is good Programming Ruby
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<volty> nothing to do with design
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<bnagy> moli: heh, yeah although I think of Programming Ruby as Matz' book :)
<bluebie> or if you don't want to actually learn ruby but you like cartoons, there's the (poignant) guide
<moli> bnagy: ya
<bnagy> hey the poignant guide has a couple of killer sections
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<bluebie> heh yeah
<havenwood> be sure to listen to the soundtrack while you read the poignant guide
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<bluebie> I'm not much of a book learner, but every now and then I read a chapter of the poignant guide just to enjoy it as it's own thing
<bluebie> totally
<bnagy> I really loved dwemthy and the introspection chapter
<bnagy> but it's certainly not a rounded approach
<bluebie> there's a project on github to update the guide so it stays relevent - including little syntax updates and things like that
<bluebie> the poignant guide spends a lot of time introducing programming concepts, which will be kinda boring if you know any other programming languages
<moli> the soundtrack?
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<bluebie> haha I win
<bluebie> the thirsty cups also did some pretty rad performances at various rubyconf's
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<bluebie> http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/ is the guide itself btw
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<moli> bluebie: oh.. thanks
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<zastern> Here's a stupid question: Why is it that I can 'gem install httparty' and just include HTTParty anywhere, but I have to require 'json' and then include JSON
<zastern> especially given that httparty is a gem and json is a builtin as I understand it
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<bluebie> What? you don't have to require gems now?
<bluebie> how the heck..
<bluebie> When I try to use my own rubygems I just get uninitialized constant Whatever
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<bluebie> zastern: maybe you're using some other library which likes to use HTTParty when it's available but falls back to Net::HTTP when it isn't, so it's requiring it for you?
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<volty> $LOADED_FEATURES
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<Andrevan> HTTParty needs to go away
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<BradND> Hi guys
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<BradND> im stuck at where it says to run the call in my app
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<BradND> ruby is pretty unknown to me, so any pointers?
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<popl> BradND: learn ruby? :)
<BradND> :(
<popl> what?
<popl> you want to use a ruby gem but don't want to learn ruby?
<popl> How would you reasonably expect to do that? :)
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<bluebie> BradND: If you're not keen to learn, this channel probably isn't too helpful. You could try commissioning a ruby developer to write a program for you, via rentacoder or some similar thing
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<volty> BradND: I would give you a hand if it was, e.g., about parsing to find how many trees each country has, but not for league of legends :)
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<BradND> haha, i'm working on a weekend hack project and i didnt want to rewrite this thing in php or C since it's already built.. ;D
<popl> sure
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<bluebie> BradND: Okay, so you're familliar with programming. What is it you want to do with this library exactly? Ruby isn't that complicated
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<BradND> Man ruby has been busting my balls ever since I tried to get into it, i literally just want to return the output to a file or even the terminal window
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<popl> what have you tried?
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<bluebie> The readme on github shows you how to use it. Install the loldata gem, then require 'loldata' in a file named whatever.rb, then write 'p LolData::Champion.all' and save that file, and run it with 'ruby whatever.rb' in your terminal
<bluebie> that will give you the data
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<volty> « just want to return the output to a file or even the terminal window » // if you output to a file you can see it, on the terminal, with cat <filename> // if you output to a terminal you can redirect with '>' <filename> // you know php, c, but, seems, miss bash
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<zaltekk> volty: i read that to mean he didn't know how to make ruby output whatever info he is after
<volty> zaltekk: it seems ... :)
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<popl> funny, I read it as coming from yet another whiny girly man who wants to blame $technology for laziness
<popl> maybe I need to clean my glasses
<bluebie> Ah there it is. That freenode sexism. Delightful.
<popl> (that was a joke, furriners)
<popl> bluebie: I even said it in an Arnold voice.
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<popl> s/freenode //
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<popl> sexism is at the root of our dear patriarchal hegemony
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<pontiki> nah, it's just pure, basic selfishness and greed
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<popl> pontiki: I wonder if one begets the other
<pontiki> of course it does
<zastern> Sexism, greed, patriarchy all are linked.
<popl> (I mean sexism -> selfishness)
<volty> you forgot the matriarchy
<pontiki> everyone forgets the matriarchy!
<volty> the most damaging one
<popl> just as the matriarch wants
<zaltekk> wtf is this, tumblr?
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<popl> zaltekk: No, I don't have this blacklisted.
<pontiki> no, there's no unattributed pictures stolen from elsewhre
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<popl> pontiki: only in my mind
<popl> pontiki: you're in yellow polka-dots
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<BradND> hurr the gem is installed but rvm won't find it
<BradND> :
<BradND> :X
<popl> that's not a helpful diagnostic message
<volty> now, with BradND, I recollect a story from many, many years ago // 8086, 80286, 80386 // a client, he needed a driver, we told him that he needs 80286.sys but he insisted he was going to fix the problem renaming the file from 8086.sys to 80286.sys
<popl> do you get an error? what's it say?
<popl> there's a pastebin URL in the topic, BradND
<popl> you can paste error stuff there
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<volty> BradND does not know about ruby but has rvm
<BradND> i'm on a mac, easiest way to get the latest version of ruby
<popl> BradND: how did you install loldata?
<volty> it is the second night that I have a feeling that somebody's making fun in a weird way
<BradND> i built the gemspec file
<BradND> and then just installed it using gem install
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<bnagy> what do you get from gem which loldata?
<BradND> ERROR: Can't find ruby library file or shared library loldata
<bnagy> and have you double checked that's the file you're supposed to require, some gems have weird gem name vs require line inconsistencies
<bnagy> hm. From that same prompt, do the gem build / gem install again
<BradND> hm alright ill try it
<bnagy> you might have ended up using different versions of gem somehow
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<bnagy> rvm can be a bit tricksy :(
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<BradND> i still get the same :<
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<bnagy> find ~ -name loldata.rb
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<bnagy> ohh sorry.. it's installed to use local - you did an rvm system install?
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<a1ph4g33k> good evening all.
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<bnagy> \o
<BradND> yeah i'm running rvm
<BradND> on a mac because mac's suck
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<popl> MBP is nice
<BradND> I have an air
<bnagy> I have had good results with rbenv on osx, and chruby / ruby-install is good
<BradND> using 10% makes this thing so loud
<BradND> 10% cpu*
<bnagy> but I have never had an rvm system install work right on any OS
<popl> I've never used an Air.
<BradND> well poop i guess i'll have to create a new vm for it
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<bnagy> BradND: usually these issues tend to be mismatched ruby / gem commands, or flat out 'that file isn't there on disk' issues
<bnagy> but they're irritating to troubleshoot
<a1ph4g33k> I just like using brew to get ruby on my mac.
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<Andrevan> I still use rvm on linux and os x, it works for me
<BradND> merr i removed rvm
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<popl> Andrevan: system-wide?
<Andrevan> popl: no I just install it in my home dir
<Andrevan> which is the default I believe
<popl> \o/
<popl> I do that with Perl using perlbrew + local::lib
<popl> modularity ftw
<Andrevan> yeah it works
<Andrevan> and the nice thing is
<Andrevan> if it ever goes sour
<Andrevan> I can just say rvm implode
<Andrevan> I also love rvm gemset pristine
<popl> rm -rf
<Andrevan> or rm -rf .rvm yes
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<Andrevan> that being said I do also use homebrew on my mac
<Andrevan> but I don't use it to install ruby or gems
<bnagy> rvm implode-and-take-your-shell-modifications-with-you
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<popl> tgraham|away: hey, I'm about to go take a piss and have a smoke
<BradND> what so should i install rvm non system wide?
<popl> tgraham|away: just thought you should know
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<popl> ;)
<bnagy> BradND: if you want to use rvm, yeah, that would be my advice
<tgraham> Fantastic. I'll await a full report on how all that went.
<bnagy> then at least you only have to change your local bash_profile etc
<bnagy> but that advice may not help at all with your problem, it's just general advice :)
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<Hanmac> i wonder why no one is posting? are all ruby problems solved? ;D
<workmad3> hanmac: yup
<workmad3> hanmac: I solved them all in 20 minutes of downtime this morning, then sent everyone home
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<wuest> hanmac - actually, I think I saw you post an interesting one liner last week, wherein you converted String#% to a block to pass to Array#reduce. How was that done, again?
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<Hanmac> you mean something like that? [*8..16].map(&"%x".method(:%)).inject(:+)
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<vpretzel> I solved my ruby problem by wiping my system. Oh joy.
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<wuest> hanmac: that's the one. I've generally not used .method, so forgot it when it was appropriate. Thanks :)
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<bl4ckdu5t> I'm new to ruby! Should I download ruby1.8 or ruby1.9.1 ?
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<vpretzel> Ruby 2.0
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<bl4ckdu5t> I'll like to know if there are differences btw them like we have in python2 and python3
<vpretzel> bl4ckdu5t: What operating system are you on? If OSx it already comes with ruby
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<bl4ckdu5t> I'm on Ubuntu
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<havenwood> bl4ckdu5t: The apt package ruby1.9.1 is really 1.9.3. For sure don't use 1.8.
<vpretzel> Too many to list to be honest. v1.9.3-p125 is the one I see on many production environments still as that was the stable version for a long time. However Ruby 2.0 got released last year.
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<arturaz> I solved ruby problems by switching from ruby
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<bl4ckdu5t> ok thanks
<Hanmac> bl4ckdu5t: ruby1.8 is offical dead, ruby1.9.1 is the 1.9.3 version, (i have 2.1dev on my systems)
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<vpretzel> BTW bl4ckdu5t I would suggest a ruby package manager before you dive in
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<vpretzel> Such as rvm
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<bl4ckdu5t> What does that do?
<bl4ckdu5t> Like an IDE?
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<vpretzel> No - it's a slick system to allow you to have multiple ruby versions on your machine as well as gemsets - if you only plan on doing ruby development purely for leisure I would strongly suggest ruby 2.0.0
<Hanmac> oO no … an version manager like rvm let you switch between different ruby versions … ubuntu has a buildin system for that, but only has 1.8 and 1.9.*
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<vpretzel> bl4ckdu5t: If you must have an IDE - Rubymine is probably the way to go
<lupine> ehhhhhhh
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<lupine> IMO, it's pretty awful
<shevy> bl4ckdu5t basically the linux distributions are too stupid to allow you multiple versions of a given program side by side, with exceptions such as nixOS or GoboLinux
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<vpretzel> It's one of the popular ones - I use vim
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* Hanmac prefers IDEs that can do more than one language
* vpretzel did not intend to start the IDE flame wars.
<shevy> vim sucks
<vpretzel> lol.
<luckyruby> Is there a way to create an Infinity or NaN object in ruby or rails?
<bl4ckdu5t> Whatever it is, I think I should download it then
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<luckyruby> nm, figured it out. Had to divide float by 0
<Hanmac> luckyruby: there is Float::INFINITY and Float::NAN
<luckyruby> hanmac: even better
<luckyruby> thanks
<bl4ckdu5t> shevy: I use python 2.7 and python 3.3 and they both work fine
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<shevy> bl4ckdu5t because the binary name has the version
<Hanmac> luckyruby: but dont use == on NAN or your progamm will die
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<shevy> bl4ckdu5t what does: stat /usr/bin/python tell you
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<bl4ckdu5t> It uses python2.7 as default
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<shevy> the answer should have been that /usr/bin/python is a symlink pointing to the actual python version in use right now. I am quite sure there is a /usr/bin/python3.3 as well, so in order to change the default version, one just changes the symlink to point to python3.3 - this is about as much as one can do on classical linux distributions. on debian/ubuntu, they have versioned ruby to ruby1.8 or ruby1.9 etc...
<shevy> so that this also works
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<shevy> their system won't become more sophisticated than that :(
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<shevy> that also means that in /usr/lib/*python* there tends to be a mess (or, they break the FHS and use /usr/local/lib/)
<bean_> I do not recommend changing that symlink though
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<shevy> heeh
<bean_> ubuntu will likely throw a fit.
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<havenwood> update-alternatives
<shevy> btw bl4ckdu5t hanmac here uses ruby on ubuntu since many years, if you ever have a ubuntu specific problem, he is your man
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<bl4ckdu5t> ok thanks for the eye opening
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<Hanmac> bl4ckdu5t: there is update-alternatives, with this you can switch the default versions of ruby or python … but as the others said, the current version is 1.9.3* maybe a bit to old, thats why use rvm or compile it yourself
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<shevy> you evil evil hanmac you... you dont use a debian ruby?
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* lupine deploys to debian ruby
<lupine> in squeeze, no less
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<lupine> it's quite exciting sometimes
<Hanmac> shevy, no each weekend when i am at home, i recompile my ruby from trunk ;P
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<Hanmac> shevy i wonder for what luckyruby needs NaN … i hope he does not try to use it in case … when ;P
<shevy> he wants to outperform chuck norris
<shevy> and count to infinity thrice
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<shevy> (in a ruby script)
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<bl4ckdu5t> I used to think osX sucked and most Linux distros had all it had + more
<lupine> no, OSX sucks
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<gregj> you suck
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<gregj> linux sucks for some, frebsd for others, osx for some others
<gregj> try it, don't listen to others
<shevy> bl4ckdu5t to be honest, all the OS suck, they just have varying areas and degrees of suckage
<shevy> in general the best you can do is to avoid what sucks and use what is useful
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<Hanmac> shevy look;
<Hanmac> >> i = 0.0; [ -i == i, (-i).object_id == (i).object_id]
<eval-in> Hanmac => [true, false] (https://eval.in/51595)
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<shevy> cool
<shevy> ruby cheats
<Hanmac> >> i = 0; [ -i == i, (-i).object_id == (i).object_id]
<eval-in> Hanmac => [true, true] (https://eval.in/51596)
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<shevy> ohhhh
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<shevy> got it
<shevy> 0.0 - 0.0 is 0.0
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<Hanmac> (-0.0) and (0.0) are not 100% the same for ruby ;P
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<shevy> but if you modify 0.0 with 0.0 it's still 0.0
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<Hanmac> shevy hm yeah but its important if you use it in number / zero
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<shevy> cool, I can make a NaN
<shevy> result = 0.0 / 0.0 # => NaN
<shevy> but
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<shevy> there is a Float::NAN
<shevy> but no NaN
<shevy> :\
<bl4ckdu5t> I don't know if this sounds stupid but does ruby language has anything to do with the ruby web application framework?
<Hanmac> shevy same for Float::INFINITY
<shevy> bl4ckdu5t if you refer to rails, then rails uses ruby as its main language
<bl4ckdu5t> *have
<shevy> hanmac this is so strange
<shevy> in Irb, if I type:
<Hanmac> shevy see the difference:
<shevy> Float::INFINITY
<Hanmac> >> i = 0.0 ; [i,-i,4 / i, 4 / (-i)]
<eval-in> Hanmac => [0.0, -0.0, Infinity, -Infinity] (https://eval.in/51597)
<shevy> it returns:
<shevy> # => Infinity
<shevy> why is this capitalized?
<Hanmac> shevy thats what i dont know
<shevy> uh
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<shevy> 4 / 0 is infinity?
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<shevy> hanmac, what are you doing
<shevy> ZeroDivisionError: divided by 0
<shevy> ohhhh
<shevy> ruby thinks that 0.0 is not the same as 0
<shevy> does 0.0 actually exist?
<shevy> I think there can be only exactly one 0 value
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<Hanmac> yeah it does, and 0.0 has a fixed object_id, (-0.0) has not
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<luckyruby> hanmac: I have a report where some of the calculations result in NaN. I wanted to validate that NaN wasn't messing up with my calculation for weighted averages.
<Hanmac> luckyruby: use value.nan? checking with value == Float::NAN does not work ...
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<Hanmac> even value == value does not work with nan ;P
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<bean_> >> Float::NAN == Float::NAN
<eval-in> bean_ => false (https://eval.in/51598)
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<workmad3> bean_: correct
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<wuest> bean_: yup, because you're not guaranteed that any two paths to NAN produce NAN in the same way, so equivalence should be assumed to be false, always.
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<bean_> valid
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<Hanmac> nan == something ALWAYS return false … its the first check in the == method to check if the left side is nan
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<solars> hi, for an app that needs a very small db (100 lines of config) I'm looking for a database that is lightweight and can be synced over 2 hosts (even rsync would be enough because there are few writes). we don't want to install another mysql/pg cluster on these hosts for only 100 entries - does anyone know something like that? doesn't need to be a databse, can also be a different thing
<lupine> for 100 lines, yaml, even .ini-style, would be fine
<bean_> or like. sqlite
<apeiros> luckyruby: sqlite or yaml IMO
<lupine> you're unlikely to need any relational algebra, so sqlite is a bit pointless
<lupine> (but not an inherently terrible suggestion)
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<solars> lupine, well I'd still like to map it to objects automatically in a rails or similar app
<solars> question is how to synchronize over the 2 hosts
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<apeiros> solars: yaml maps to objects
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<lupine> if you're in jruby, there's hs-something-or-another
<solars> that's right, but it's not really a difference if I store it in a yaml or a sqlite file, sqlite gives some benefits to query it
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<solars> no jruby here..
<lupine> but if it's read-only, it's honestly not worth putting much thought into it
<solars> it's not read only
<lupine> then it becomes a bit more difficult :)
<solars> :)
<solars> as I wrote, a few writes
<lupine> how do you intend to resolve conflicts?
<solars> but enough to use rsync for example
<lupine> what are your consistency requiremnts?
<lupine> etc
<solars> there will only be writes at one time, as only 1 person can maintain it
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<lupine> as soon as you need writes, I'd suggest sticking it in your existing data store
<solars> so rsync would be alright, just wanted some opinions
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<solars> there is no existing data store on that host
<lupine> anyway, less can go wrong if you're rsyncing yaml
<solars> and mysql cluster looks like an overkill :)
<lupine> ...while writing it, I mean
<lupine> also, mysql is never the answer ;)
<solars> ah, yeah
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<solars> haha I knew it, but it's unfortunately not my decision :)
<solars> I think I will stick to sqlite and rsync, then later I can always substitute it with another relational db
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<solars> and don't need to change the objects
<apeiros> we use oracle, and I'm honestly not sure whether I'd prefer oracle or mysql, if given the choice (both are full of horror and stupid)
<Hanmac> lupine, mysql is the question, the answer is no ;P
<solars> haha
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<solars> well for our needs, the dbs are more or less the same - and all the other stuff the admins have to deal with, so I don't really notice a difference :)
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<apeiros> oh trust me, there are differences you even notice if you have an abstraction on top of it
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<apeiros> like 30 char max identifier length (*all* identifiers - tablenames, sequences, column names, index-names etc.)
<finnnnnnnnnnn> hey anyone know if I can range double letters? a..ab returns a-z and then aa, ab also.
<solars> apeiros, haha right, I even remember such a case
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<apeiros> finnnnnnnnnnn: seem you already answered your own question? or I don't understand it
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<finnnnnnnnnnn> apeiros: oh, seems I did thanks
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<finnnnnnnnnnn> apeiros: but if I try to do ('b'..'ab').to_a it fails
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<apeiros> define "fails"
<apeiros> works fine here
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<apeiros> >> ("a".."ab").to_a
<eval-in> apeiros => ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e", "f", "g", "h", "i", "j", "k", "l", "m", "n", "o", "p", "q", "r", "s", "t", "u", "v", "w", "x", "y", "z", "aa", "ab"] (https://eval.in/51609)
<workmad3> >> ('b'..'ab').to_a
<eval-in> workmad3 => [] (https://eval.in/51610)
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<finnnnnnnnnnn> try ("b".."ab").to_a
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<apeiros> ah, "b".."ab" - well, that range is empty
<apeiros> because "b" > "ab"
<workmad3> >> ('ab'..'b').to_a
<eval-in> workmad3 => ["ab"] (https://eval.in/51611)
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<finnnnnnnnnnn> should so it's should fail? I hoped it would give me b to z and then aa and ab
<finnnnnnnnnnn> similar to cells in a spreadsheet
<dAnjou> hi, i'm having a huge headache. i'm trying to setup a padrino app. when running the command "padrino g admin" it said "Could not find rake-10.1.0 in any of the sources" although it was in the list of "gem list". then i installed it using "gem install --user-install rake" and suddenly it didn't complain anylonger. instead it complained about the next gem not being there although it was in "gem list" too.
<finnnnnnnnnnn> so not a bug with Range but expected?
<workmad3> apeiros: that means that 'a'..'ab' doesn't really make sense tbh :)
<dAnjou> and of course i did a "bundle install --path ~/.gem" before
<apeiros> expected. iterating strings with succ is rather, hm, odd
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<dAnjou> what is going on?
<apeiros> workmad3: heh, don't tell me. I wouldn't have implemented String#succ in such an odd way.
<Hanmac> >> "1.2.9".succ
<eval-in> Hanmac => "1.3.0" (https://eval.in/51613)
<Hanmac> apeiros: you mean like this?
<apeiros> String#succ is probably one of the most heavily special cased methods in core
<workmad3> apeiros: :)
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<apeiros> finnnnnnnnnnn: you can use [*'a'..'ab'][1..-1]
<workmad3> apeiros: just seems somewhat odd when a 'range' can include a value where val > start && val > end :)
<jblack> Yeah, taht doesn't make sense.. ('a'..'ab').to_a includes b..ab, but 'b'..'ab' does not
* apeiros still dislikes that skip returns an array instead of an enum
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<apeiros> so silly… why'd you even need skip with that behavior?
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<jblack> a..ab clearly has b..ab when you to_a it
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<workmad3> jblack: in reality, a..ab shouldn't include b..z in order to be consistent :)
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<jblack> I wouldn't disagree with that
<workmad3> >> 'b' > 'ab'
<eval-in> workmad3 => true (https://eval.in/51617)
<workmad3> >> 'b' > 'a'
<eval-in> workmad3 => true (https://eval.in/51618)
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<jblack> if 'b' is > 'ab', then why is it listed before 'ab' in 'a'..'ab' ?
<apeiros> s="a"; Array.new(27) { s.succ!.dup }
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<workmad3> >> 'a'.succ
<eval-in> workmad3 => "b" (https://eval.in/51620)
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<workmad3> >> 'z'.succ
<eval-in> workmad3 => "aa" (https://eval.in/51621)
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<apeiros> >> s="a"; Array.new(27) { s.succ!.dup }
<eval-in> apeiros => ["b", "c", "d", "e", "f", "g", "h", "i", "j", "k", "l", "m", "n", "o", "p", "q", "r", "s", "t", "u", "v", "w", "x", "y", "z", "aa", "ab"] (https://eval.in/51623)
<apeiros> it's an inconsistency with succ vs. how Range works
<jblack> Let me put it this way...
<apeiros> I think begin >= end -> Range#to_a => []
<jblack> >> ('a'..'ab').include?('b')
<eval-in> jblack => true (https://eval.in/51626)
<apeiros> jblack: ("b".."ab").include?("c") # => false
<jblack> Thusly, 'b' can not be bigger than 'ab', since it comes before it. Except 'b' clearly does come after it.
<jblack> that's becuase 'b'..'ab' is empty
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<jblack> sometimes 'b' is bigger than 'ab', and sometimes it's not. =)
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<workmad3> >> def str_range(start, end) r=[]; do; r << start.dup; start.succ!; until (start == end); r; end; str_rang("b", "ab")
<eval-in> workmad3 => /tmp/execpad-df91c7125967/source-df91c7125967:2: syntax error, unexpected keyword_end ... (https://eval.in/51632)
<apeiros> b is always bigger than ab
<workmad3> oops
<apeiros> but you can succ your way from b to ab
<workmad3> can't call a var 'end'
<apeiros> succ is the odd-one-out here
<apeiros> it's the same as with numbers in strings
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<workmad3> apeiros: the odd-one-out is really 'z'.succ
<apeiros> "2" > "10"
<jblack> apeiros: if b is always bigger than ab, then how come b shows up between a..ab ?
<apeiros> jblack: as said, because String#succ
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<workmad3> jblack: because a..ab does 'a'.succ, 'b'.succ, etc, until 'z', where 'z'.succ == 'aa'
<apeiros> and as workmad3 pointed out, specifically how it wraps
<Hanmac> but BEWARE … Symbols can succ too ;D
<workmad3> >> :a.succ
<eval-in> workmad3 => :b (https://eval.in/51662)
<apeiros> as long as it's c and not k
<workmad3> >> :z.succ
<eval-in> workmad3 => :aa (https://eval.in/51663)
<workmad3> >> :c.succ
<eval-in> workmad3 => :d (https://eval.in/51664)
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<workmad3> :"1.3.9".succ
<workmad3> >> :"1.3.9".succ
<eval-in> workmad3 => :"1.4.0" (https://eval.in/51665)
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<Hanmac> >> :aBc.swapcase
<eval-in> Hanmac => :AbC (https://eval.in/51666)
<workmad3> hanmac: that's just crazy
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<dr_mittens> cout: just wanted to pop in and say thanks for the help from last week
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<dr_mittens> cout: the strace you recommended we run showed all the time being spent in futex
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<cout> dr_mittens: did you figure out why that was happening?
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<dr_mittens> cout: yeah - turned out somebody had put in a thread to check a queue and had misunderstood what non_block: false meant :)
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<Hanmac> workmad3: yeah, some functions from symbol are like to_s.send(__method__).intern
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<dr_mittens> cout: he thought that not blocking meant don't block any other threads
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<dr_mittens> cout: so he was doing queue.pop non blocking in a while(true) loop
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<cout> *facepalm*
<dr_mittens> cout: thus the absurdly high futex
<dr_mittens> cout: anyway - just wanted to say thanks - you pointed us in the right direction
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<cout> no prob
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<Hanmac> "cuttlefish skin has better DPI than an iPhone Display" ;D
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<havenwood> so when are cuttlefish skin monitors coming out?
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<fghd> hi
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<amanda_k> hi and i know im probably going to get yelled at -- but here goes. im using guard-haml and its compiling everything with single quotes, is there any way to tell it to use double quotes? (if you're going to yell, be polite)
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<bean_> amanda_k: as in the output has single quotes instead of double?
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<bean_> amanda_k: Haml::Template.options[:attr_wrapper] = '"'
<bean_> appaers to be your directive
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<amanda_k> bean_: where do i do that?
<amanda_k> inside my Guardfile?
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<bean_> amanda_k: I have no idea, i just know thats how you do it with HAML
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<amanda_k> bean_: never used guard?
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<bean_> I have used guard, just not with haml
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<bean_> just with rspec
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<bean_> so yeah, you could try it in your Guardfile.
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<bean_> we use it with rspec, and i have a filed called "spec_helper.rb" that contains all of my "global" testing config
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<a1ph4g33k> greetings all.
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<Eiam> greetings mortal
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<ferr> How do I make this work https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6767784
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<^conner> is there a means of passing data into an rspec describe block from outside? I just want to pass a variable fetched from ENV into a let block
<Morrolan> You need to read the contents of from_file, before being able to write them somewhere, ferr.
<^conner> but without doing the env lookup in the let block
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<ferr> Morrolan, but is it possible to do so in one line? cause at the book it is mentioned it is possible
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<Morrolan> Sure. File.write(to_file, File.read(from_file))
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<ferr> thank you Morrolan
<Morrolan> If this is all you want to do, though, then FileUtils.copy is the way to go.
<pontiki> ^conner: sure, various ways.
<^conner> pontiki, user metadata would be possible I guess
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<^conner> pontiki, what I'd like to do is fetch thet capybara app_host name from the ENV, setup caybara before the first describe block and then do a let()
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<^conner> :q
<pontiki> you could do this in spec_helper.rb, for instance
<pontiki> that's generally where i do capy set up stuff
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<pontiki> OTOH, if it's only for one test, you can set up a method in the _spec.rb file
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<^conner> pontiki, doing just myfoo = 'bar' describe ... let(:host) { myfoo } doesn't work... myfoo isn't in scope
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<pontiki> nope
<pontiki> but you could do @myfoo = 'bar'...
<pontiki> and it will be in scope
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<pontiki> or write a method
<^conner> why are instance variables inscope?
<pontiki> def myfoo; 'bar'; end; describe... let(:host){myfoo}..
<pontiki> i prefer the latter, usually
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<pontiki> to be honest, i haven't looked into the scoping thing for instance vars; i know they work, but i don't know how far the scope extends
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<^conner> rspec does a lot of magical things... like making things appear dynamically scoped... it's probably time I try to understand it
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<^conner> pontiki, I appreciate the help! Any reason you prefer using a method?
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<ferr> If I use output = File.write(to_file, File.read(from_file)), I do not need to close it as I haven't opened it?
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<apeiros> ferr: correct
<pontiki> ^conner: flexibility, dryness; also the aforementioned lack of how instance variable scope affects things
<apeiros> why not use FileUtils.cp(from, to) ?
<ferr> thanks
<ferr> Idc, I'm just learning now
<apeiros> idc?
<ferr> Maybe I'll cover FileUtils topic later on
<ferr> *idk
<ferr> :|
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<apeiros> :)
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<^conner> pontiki, seems reasonable. Do you do your capybara setup in your spec helper too?
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<pontiki> ^conner: most every bit i can
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<^conner> pontiki, I haven't had much luck finding complete examples
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<pontiki> ^conner: it's hard; most everything is private/proprietary
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<pontiki> ^conner: which on the face of it is stupid; writing test setups is *hardly* unique or trade secret
<^conner> pontiki, Indeed. I could probably publish mine if I stripped most of the let blocks
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<apeiros> "our welcome desk is a trade secret!"
<pontiki> ^conner: even without stripping them on my last gig, easily could have been
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<^conner> pontiki, I'm hitting our publicly accessible site... the only thing 'secret' is the test credentials
<pontiki> it's just a bit too much work to build up a good working example that is open, sadly
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<^conner> it was good "fun" figuring out modal dialogs and ftp last week too...
<pontiki> oh, heh, even at that, our test site credentials all had pw == 'secret'
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<pontiki> i did end up open-sourcing a few tools
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<^conner> pontiki, this was a fun one to figure out... https://gist.github.com/jhoblitt/6768066
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<pontiki> cos, srsly, that company did not have or need a core competency in wrapping SFTP functions
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<^conner> dojit does a number of things to make it "test resistant"
<pontiki> yes :)
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<pontiki> i had a few with some js script that prettied up select options
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<^conner> including littering around white space around text to make xpath matching obnouxous
<pontiki> well done :)
<pontiki> still so freaking brittle
<^conner> yes, I kind of feel like sending the devs thank you cupcakes
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<^conner> it was a big improvement over raw webdriver waiting for elements to appear
<^conner> I still had to inject a lot of using_wait_time(10) {}
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<pontiki> wow, really?
<pontiki> slow page load?
<^conner> some elements are really slow do to db lookups
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<^conner> I'm testing queue up files for download and the queries to find the files can be slow
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<^conner> there's also some things that seem to happen slower under selenium
<pontiki> i see
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<^conner> like a span block being really slow to change visibility
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<pontiki> any feedback from users on this sort of thing? is it just accepted?
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<^conner> it's tolerated as it's a just data in a table your waiting on. The rest of the page loads
<pontiki> nod
<^conner> I'm sure the problem is materialized views we have in the db
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<^conner> do you get double window opening with firefox?
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<apeiros> hanmac: hm, only got about 2/3rd
<^conner> webdriver doesn't do it directly by capybara does
<^conner> *but
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<apeiros> ok, mabye more like 4/5th
<pontiki> ^conner: yeah
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<^conner> i spent some time saturday googling and it's been reported before and supposedly fixed
<Hanmac> apeiros: okay, wich one do you not know? ;P
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<apeiros> 3rd row 1st and 3rd
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<apeiros> not sure about 1st row 2nd and 4th
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<Hanmac> 1th row 4th i dont know, but the 2nd is X-Men
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<Hanmac> 3rd row 1st are the symbol of the starwars rebells and 3rd row 3rd is japan as char
<Hanmac> 1th row 4th means something "mathmathical" ;P
<apeiros> I thought 1st row 4th could be a sign for pythagoreans, but that seems out of scope by age and I can't find a symbol for them atm :)
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<Freeaqingme> What's the best way to remove all empty strings from an array that contains strings only?
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<apeiros> Freeaqingme: a) define "best", b) reject(&:empty?)
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<Hanmac> Freeaqingme: array.grep /./
<Freeaqingme> apeiros, the shortest ;)
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<Freeaqingme> hanmac, thanks
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<apeiros> hanmac: eh, funky way, I like :D
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<Freeaqingme> hanmac, I'm new to this stuff, but could you explain why it isn't listed on this page? http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0.0/Array.html
<apeiros> hanmac: damn! I thought it might be japan. wasn't sure.
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<apeiros> I mean, I thought "how's that a symbol?"
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<Hanmac> apeiros: its more then fun when the array can have nil and "" and "str" inside … because nil.empty? does not work ;P
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<Hanmac> apeiros: there is a Unicode char that looks exact like that … but i dont find it yet
<apeiros> Freeaqingme: you have to check parent classes and included modules too.
<popl> ^
<popl> Freeaqingme: it might be inherited
<Freeaqingme> apeiros, havenwood oh, makes sense. Thanks
<apeiros> common mistake ;-)
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<Hanmac> he might also need to look when a module is extended or prepended ;P … (but as far as i know that is not used in RubyCore classes)
<apeiros> hanmac: 1st row, 4th is Deathly Hollows Symbol
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<apeiros> gah, Hallows
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<Hanmac> ah the last book that doesnt make any sense … (i mean the first books was great, but in the end the books get bigger, but the "plot" is getting smaller …)
<Hanmac> it feels like that the last book has more plot holes that hogwarts secret passages ;P
<pontiki> what is 3rd row, 4th symbol?
<Hanmac> pontiki: thats the keys from a PlayStation
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<Hanmac> - Controller
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<pontiki> oh, no wonder i didn't get that
<apeiros> pontiki: here http://thedoghousediaries.com/5376
<apeiros> ah
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<apeiros> you are already there
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<apeiros> misunderstood the question :D
<pontiki> yeah
<pontiki> just late to the game :)
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<apeiros> anyway, apart from starwars rebels and deathly hallows, I got all correct :D yay
<apeiros> my favorite is of course r4c3
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<Hanmac> that was the one i also didnt get
<apeiros> zelda, triforce
<pontiki> the only reason i got that one is because i've seen so many tattoo pics of it
<apeiros> heh
<apeiros> of all the nerd tattoos, that's actually one I'd approve of
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<pontiki> i didn't get how the japan map was a symbol
<apeiros> yeah, same
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<apeiros> I guessed japan, but didn't think that was sufficient to be a symbol
<pontiki> i kept trying to think of manga that would have used it
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<pontiki> but unicode char makes sense
<pontiki> i think the xkcd stick guy should be a unicode char, too
<popl> pontiki: You're a Unicode character.
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<pontiki> popl, you just don't make sense
<apeiros> this one is an omission: http://imgur.com/QwnxQRH
<apeiros> pontiki: maybe he doesn't - but does your nick actually mean something?
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<popl> I just drank 18 ounces of coffee and am full of dada.
<Hanmac> apeiros: the newer NGE movies have cool effects, but imo i liked Lilith with this Mask better then with the other stupid one
<apeiros> wtf, wcs managed to mute the stream a second time…
<apeiros> (starcraft live stream)
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<pontiki> == 'mouse' in Greek: ποντίκι
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<popl> I think pontiki mentioned this before.
<popl> Probably more than once. :)
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<apeiros> probably will a few times again :D
<ferr> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6768606 how do I make these math arguments shorter?
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<pontiki> since it's an alias in my irssi setup, yes
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<apeiros> pontiki: computer mouse specifically, or living mouse? or can mean both?
<popl> pontiki++
<apeiros> (despite my nick, I know little to no greek)
<pontiki> living
<pontiki> i don't know greek, either
<popl> It's all Greek to apeiros.
<popl> :D
<pontiki> i have a fondness for mice (the living creatures)
<Hanmac> ferr: "This is multiplied: #{arg1*arg2}"
<pontiki> my normal-ish internet handle is "tamouse"
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<pontiki> i just was being bored one day poking at google translate looking up how you say "mouse" in different languages
<pontiki> hit greek and just had to squee at "pontiki"
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<ferr> hanmac, thank you and the same with the sum?
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<Morrolan> No, there it's using a completely different syntax. :)
<ferr> lol
<Morrolan> You can put pretty much any kind of Ruby code in between those braces. :)
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<ferr> thank you for letting me know
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<ferr> it seems much nicer
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<havenwood> ferr: does take more than two arguments that way
<ferr> I see
<havenwood> ferr: so you could: stuff(2, 2, 2)
<Morrolan> Definitely not the way to go if you just want to add two numbers together, though. :P
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<ferr> I'm just learning about the functions and trying to get my code as short as possible
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<havenwood> golf
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<platzhirsch1> apeiros: Cool thing with Oj, had a chat with the author and he will implement streamed writing for it this week, so I can port my code from Yajl to Oj
<havenwood> >> s=->(a,b){p(a+a,b*b)}; s.(2,3)
<eval-in> havenwood => 4 ... (https://eval.in/51686)
<apeiros> platzhirsch1: oh, awesome!
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<platzhirsch1> with a bit luck I won't face memory leaks anymore :P
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<ferr> how should I search for +=, what is it called?
<apeiros> += is a composite
<apeiros> a += b is really a = a.+(b)
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<platzhirsch1> Is there a similar operator to << ?
<platzhirsch1> err, nvm
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<platzhirsch1> I am looking for Ruby operators to overload. For my metric classes I might use << to add another record to the preprocessing, now I look for another one to get a score out of the metric... but I think I am bloating it
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* popl overload apeiros
<platzhirsch1> "nice, more cryptic operators with non-trivial semantic"
<popl> *overloads
<apeiros> platzhirsch1: sure
<apeiros> x <<= y
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<apeiros> also you can't overload in ruby :)
<apeiros> you can emulate it, though
<platzhirsch> << for initialize and >> for compute score would be rad :P
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<platzhirsch> true, that was the wrong term
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<platzhirsch> so what's correct again? Shadowing?
<havenwood> i'd like >> for prepending to arrays and strings and such
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<apeiros> platzhirsch: redefine, override
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<platzhirsch> oh my, I completely forgot that overloading is about different method signatures
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<apeiros> :)
<platzhirsch> I've been to long away from Java
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<popl> that's a new one
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<ferr> g'night
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<platzhirsch> I think I am safe with my fancy operators, as long as there is an alias with a human readable name
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<platzhirsch> metric ^ record
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<rehat> I am a bit confused. I'm new to ruby. What does this resolve method do https://gist.github.com/rehat/6769508? It is used by a gem called pundit for authorizing
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<lupine> returns scope if user.allowed? returns new
<lupine> true*
<lupine> if not, it returns nil
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<rumours> equal false
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<rehat> ahh
<rehat> but how do I find out what that scope symbol is
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<rehat> or should I ignore this magic lol
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<apeiros> class Foo < Struct.new # <-- bad idiom
<lupine> Struct.new(symbols) returns a class
<apeiros> Foo = Struct.new do # <-- better idiom
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<lupine> that class will have an initialize method that takes two arguments, the first of which it will assign to an instance variable @user, the second to @scope
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<Advocation> is there some key thing to getting sinatra to play nicely with pow?
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<Advocation> if I run the app via sinatra's own service it works fine, but if I use pow, it doesn't seem to recognise it
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<dopie> how do i write multiples of ten???
<dopie> in a module?
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<platzhirsch> in a module?
<dopie> basically
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<dopie> what im trying to do in rails
<dopie> but i need to learn ruby
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<MrZYX> dopie: not sure what you want, please explain it more
<dopie> how do i do write multiples of 10?
<dopie> Ok
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<dopie> example
<dopie> I want to list crimes, and when that crime list reaches a multiple of ten i want it to do something
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<dopie> how would i wrote that?
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<MrZYX> do_something if crimes.size % 10 == 0 ?
<bnagy> >> Array.new(10).size % 10
<eval-in> bnagy => 0 (https://eval.in/51709)
<MrZYX> still not 100% certain what you want
<dopie> got it
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<shevy> hmmmm
<dopie> hmmm
<platzhirsch> ah the modulo operation %?
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<shevy> if I use ... input = $stdin.gets
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<shevy> it will read until the first \n character right?
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<shevy> how can I read in multi-line user input?
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<bnagy> new programming tool called a 'loop'
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<volty> dopie: crimes.each_cons(10) { |arr10| p arr10; puts "delimiter" }
<bnagy> all the rage in turning complete constructions
<platzhirsch> shevy: Error: Cannot find local context. Did you use `binding.pry`?
<platzhirsch> err
<shevy> what
<platzhirsch> shevy: I think there was a great shortcut for this
<platzhirsch> nvm, copy paste mistake
<shevy> hehe
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<workmad3> volty: surely that should be each_slice(10), not each_cons(10)?
<volty> workmad3: yap, a typo, thx :0
<volty> :)
<workmad3> :)
<MrZYX> also that won't only "do something" on multiples of 10 but always one (extra) time
<dopie> hehe
<dopie> volty, dont understand your answer
<dopie> :)
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<volty> dopie: you have the list of crimes, so crimes.each_slice(10) { |arr| here you receive the chunks of ten crimes - less the rest, the last chunk }
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<dopie> gots it
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<platzhirsch> shevy: $stdin.readlines ?
<volty> ops + the last chunk that could be less than 10
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<shevy> $/ = "END"
<shevy> he simply redefines that mystic char
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<platzhirsch> haha
<shevy> and indeed
<shevy> on default, $/ is "\n"
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<shevy> but that feels soooo hacky :(
<shevy> platzhirsch let me try
<canton7> shevy, you can pass the separator to gets
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<shevy> aha
<shevy> let me try
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<platzhirsch> I've been told this one when I was doing a code gold challenge
<shevy> platzhirsch no idea how to end it via $stdin.readlines btw
<platzhirsch> shevy: ^D
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<shevy> canton7 yeah that seems to work very fine
<canton7> :)
<shevy> and $/ is still "\n" after calling .gets with argument
<shevy> platzhirsch hmm
<canton7> aye
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<shevy> do python and perl have something like $/ by the way?
<popl> perldoc -v '$/'
<bnagy> $20 says $/ came from perl
<popl> dunno about python
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<popl> but I wouldn't doubt it
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<platzhirsch> shevy: great another SO where I could put my answer on :P
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<shevy> yes
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<shevy> both platzhirsch and canton7's answers are missing there
<shevy> that is a problem with SO btw... better answers rarely get added, once anyone answered before...
<shevy> but those two answers on SO are not ideal
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<platzhirsch> I found a lot of Ruby questions where I have started to add my answers. You might blame me for reputation farming, but either we are talking Programmer's Wikipedia or we are not
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<popl> perl: my @lines = do {local $/; readline;}; # "slurps" stdin into @lines
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<shevy> platzhirsch no, that seems perfectly legit way to raise reputation
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<shevy> because others like me, could add, but don't because I am lazy, so I have less reputation which seems to be fair
<platzhirsch> I firmly believe there was a very short alias to $stdin.readlines where the heck is it
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<shevy> popl huh ok... I never saw do {} before in perl...
<shevy> that's almost valid ruby code!
<popl> really?
<popl> it's useful
<shevy> yeah, never saw it before
<banisterfiend> popl what does do {} do in perl?
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<zaltekk> banisterfiend: {} in what context?
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<zaltekk> oh, the do {}?
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<zaltekk> it's just a block
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<volty> loop?
<zaltekk> not a loop by itself
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<volty> do {} - is a loop?
<zaltekk> the do {} is so that changes to $/ are localized to the readline
<popl> banisterfiend: do {...} evaluates ... and returns the value of hte last thing
<zaltekk> right, and it lets you scope the localization of $/ to the block
<popl> that's old antiquated though. you might still see it in production but if you're going to slurp a file use File::Slurp or something
<shevy> so strange
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<shevy> I once thought I knew a little perl but now I feel totally out of it
<popl> *old and antiquated
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<zaltekk> yeah, it's a bit hackish
<popl> Moose is awesome
<volty> zaltekk: but you said @lines = do { ... readline;) // more lines?
<popl> Moose is representative of the new perl
<zaltekk> volty: what do you mean more lines?
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<banisterfiend> popl sounds like do in coffeescript
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<volty> i suppose 'lines' stays for more lines and I see just one readline
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<zaltekk> $/ is the line termination character, which is emptied out to make readlines read the entire file
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<volty> ah! no delimiter
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<volty> can't that be done in ruby?
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<zaltekk> volty: yes, you can still use $/
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<volty> yap, now I got it
<zaltekk> i think the "english" versions are preferred, though
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<popl> should have put $data instead of @lines
<popl> sorry, that was confusing
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<volty> so a complete code, local $/ , without assigning anything to it, has the 'empty' value?
<popl> my @lines = do {readline;}; # does what you think
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<popl> in Perl?
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<popl> in Perl it is newline my default
<popl> *by
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<zaltekk> volty: local $/ # $/ will be undefined
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<popl> oh d'oh
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<zaltekk> perl -e 'local $/; print "Yep!\n" if !defined $/"
<zaltekk> that last " should be a '
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<v_litvak> hello
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<v_litvak> i have a question, (I am not as good with ruby yet)
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<v_litvak> but what im trying to do is
<volty> so readline does not check for line/field delimiter since not defined, ok, nice
<v_litvak> actually, i might figure it out on my own
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<popl> zaltekk: !defined?
<popl> :P
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<volty> actually, are you going to ask or to actually do it on your own? :)
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<zaltekk> popl: this box didn't like undefined
<zaltekk> didn't bother messing with whatever i did wrong
<zaltekk> guess i could unless defined
<zaltekk> it's been a long time since i've written perl
<platzhirsch> If the link checker simply does not want to finish 99.988% I really overdid it with the timoue
<popl> just test it
<popl> perl -E '{local $/; say "in here" if $/;} say "out here" if $/;'
<popl> :)
<zaltekk> that's more typing
<popl> what?
<zaltekk> what i typed here worked
<popl> ok dude, whatever :)
<zaltekk> cba to print in both cases :P
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<shevy> hmm how to slice up a long string into "pairs of 3 characters each"?
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<havenwood> each_char.each_slice(3)
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<volty> scan(/.../).each_cons(2) --- (+ .to_a) --- pairs
<bnagy> >> "abcdef".chars.each_slice(3).to_a.each_slice(2).to_a.flatten 1
<eval-in> bnagy => [["a", "b", "c"], ["d", "e", "f"]] (https://eval.in/51713)
<bnagy> ugly :/
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<shevy> ohhh... I forgot completely about scan
<shevy> i tried .slice(3) and wondered
<bnagy> don't need the middle to_a I was messing with another idea
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<bnagy> if you don't mind dropping extras you can do it with scan in one step
<Eiam> >> unless not true
<eval-in> Eiam => /tmp/execpad-212a67979020/source-212a67979020:3: syntax error, unexpected keyword_rescue ... (https://eval.in/51714)
<Eiam> unless not is just if right?
<bnagy> >> "abcdefqwert".scan(/(...)(...)/)
<eval-in> bnagy => [["abc", "def"]] (https://eval.in/51715)
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<bnagy> Eiam: unless there's some weird binding implication, logically yeah
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<havenn> shevy: you want like tuples of triple-char arrays?
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<shevy> havenn hmm I think the examples work, I needed a method that gives me n length substrings of a given string
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<bnagy> it depends a bit on what you want when len % substr_len != 0
<volty> scan(/.{#{n}}/
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<shevy> yeah... 0 and 1 aren't useful
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<volty> i'm writing cons instead of slice all the evening
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<shevy> silly question... can I mix stuff like:
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<shevy> x = 'abc123'; case x; when 'abc1',/^abc/
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<shevy> mix string and regex checks
<volty> yes
<shevy> cool
<volty> when compares using ===
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<volty> arrays are fine (instead of case) for checking against cases // but as I always say - do it, simply, your own way // think on what you have to do, with the actual "how to do's" that you posses at the moment
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> I replaced 'cut3','cut4','cut5' with /cut\d+/
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<volty> youcan /cut(\d+)/ to get the number in $1
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<volty> do I remember well: under 1.8 ruby used to change the class of the object when extending or adding singleton methods?
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<volty> no
<popl> volty: talking to yourself? :)
<volty> i cannot remember where it creates on-the-fly classes, in between
<volty> yes, i'm very very fuzzy
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<banisterfiend> volty yes that happens in every ruby
<volty> do you know if, and where, ruby creates subclasses implicitly ?
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<volty> banisterfiend: i can't remember where
<banisterfiend> volty every time you lazily create a singleton class the subclasses are implicitly created
<Thelxinoe-> #bash
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<volty> maybe the subclasses are implicitly created but how to get a ref to those classes?
<volty> i probably confused something with structs
<banisterfiend> volty obj.singeton_class
<banisterfiend> volty that gives you the singleton class, surprisingly ;)
<volty> ahhhhh
<volty> forgot it, going to try that
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<banisterfiend> volty i will never fortet
<banisterfiend> forget
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<volty> ... because you were fighting against them ? :)
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<volty> thanks, i did it long time ago // i was redefining methods of a class from inside a method
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<volty> - now