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<prismate>
havenwood: i have seen that there is $stdin.ready? so we can see if we have a escapesequence or not if $stdin.getch is in use
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<prismate>
so next step is parsing CSI and SS3 introducer
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<letstest>
hi - i am looking to write a small script where every time a new file shows up in a directory, I print out last file was "oldfilename.png" and new file is "newfile.png"
<letstest>
how would i do that?
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<ryanf>
letstest: check out the Listen gem
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<letstest>
thanks ryanf
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<mhahn>
whats the preferred ruby way to add to ENV['PATH']
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<crunch-choco>
why do we say sinatra is for "small" projects, what does "small" means?
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<sevenseacat>
the opposite of big?
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<crunch-choco>
yes but is it in terms of lines of codes? traffic? costs?
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<sevenseacat>
complexity
<crunch-choco>
of?
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<sevenseacat>
...the app
<sevenseacat>
of the requirements you have
<crunch-choco>
hm ok
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<crunch-choco>
sevenseacat: thanks for your answer
<sevenseacat>
np
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<sander^work>
How do I install the gem package manager on ubuntu?
<Hanmac>
sander^work: on newer ubuntu its part of ruby
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<likemike>
What are proc objects ? What they are good for and when should i use them ?
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<banisterfiend>
likemike they're like anonymous functions in other languages
<banisterfiend>
but they have non local returns, which is pretty cool
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<Hanmac>
likemike: something like anonymous methods
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<likemike>
thanks for answer...so i found somewhere this thing : &something
<likemike>
what does it exactly mean
<likemike>
well let me paste you full line : def initialize(&formatter)
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<Hanmac>
methods accept arguments, & means that this variable should be the block argument (specially when storing in some variable)
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<joonty>
likemike: if you have a method that takes a block like `[1,2,3].each { |i| puts i }`
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<joonty>
you could alternatively store the block as a variable, with a proc/lambda, then use & to send it to a method as a block
<joonty>
so `something = lambda { |i| puts i }; [1,2,3].each(&something)`
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<likemike>
[1,2,3].each { |i| puts i} => what is this |i| called ? i still can't get used to it
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<joonty>
it's like an argument to a method
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<Hanmac>
likemike that are block parameters, like in other languages the for … each loops
<joonty>
it's up to the method that takes the block to decide what to pass to the block as an argument
<joonty>
likemike: in the case of `each`, it passes the element that it is currently iterating over
<likemike>
understood
<joonty>
so the block will run 3 times, and i will be 1, 2 then 3
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<shevy>
likemike you can give it any name. it is a very common idiom in ruby. here is a good example with a hash, a hash has a key, and an associated value, yes? try this in irb: { 'cat' => 'Tom', 'mouse' => 'Jerry' }.each_pair {|key, value| puts "#{key.capitalize} name is #{value}." }
<lolmaus>
I'm good in HTML and CSS/SASS. I know the basics of Ruby and client-side JS. I would like to try AngularJS, but i can't decide which backend to use. Rails seems to be an overkill, as i only need serving JSON via REST and some very minimal HTML for Google crawler and old IEs. I don't want Node-based stuff (e. g. Express) because it has an extremely entering threshold. Please suggest an appropriate
<lolmaus>
backend.
<matti>
shevy: ;]
<shevy>
matti die
<shevy>
sorry
<shevy>
wrong idiom
<shevy>
matti hi friend!
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<lolmaus>
:)
<shevy>
lolmaus I would use rails :D
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<wyclif>
hi everybody
<shevy>
hi wycleaf jean
<shevy>
are you using ruby
<wyclif>
yes working my way through the pixaxe book
<wyclif>
*pickaxe
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<shevy>
good! I worked through that book back in ~2004 as well
<wyclif>
it needs to be updated but still very good for learning the fundamentals
<shevy>
especially the reference at the end is useful in the long run
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<shevy>
after I read the pickaxe in 2004, the one in ~2009 or 2010 was no longer that useful for me :(
<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
it's ok for a newcomer
<wyclif>
right
<wyclif>
i realise that this was before there were loads of tutorials online like there are now
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<lolmaus>
shevy, i'm sure Rails is great for Angular if you know Rails already. But i'm concerned that Rails' extensive capabilities of generating HTML (that i completely don't need) will be a huge obstacle for me in the process of learning those Rails basics that i do need for Angular (e. g. the notorious MVC concept). Every Rails book and tutorial is HTML-centric. :(
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<lolmaus>
shevy, it would get even worse if Rails core doesn't provide all necessary tools for doing Angular, and i'll have to use some third-party wrappers/components from the very beginning when i'm not yet familiar with Rails basics.
<wyclif>
†
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<Hanmac>
there are ruby interpreter written in javascript, you can try to use them for client-side ;P
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<matti>
shevy: I am going to /ignore you ;s
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<shevy>
matti nah
<shevy>
lolmaus what I find the www world is extremely diverse and fragmented, one has to know so many things compared to +10 years ago ....
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<lupine>
you can get more done from a position of no knowledge and no inclination to learn, than you could 10 years ago
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<TTilus>
lolmaus: if your focus is on angular, you may want to start with something really simple on server side, like sinatra
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<lolmaus>
TTilus, i want some framework to organize my code. I'll have users and content and all the usual stuff. Sinatra does not provide any facilities for that. As i'm a newbie, doing everything by hand will produce spaghetti code. I would like to use a framework that imposes certain code structure, so that i don't mess it up.
<TTilus>
lolmaus: or even with completely static server side for starters
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<dweeb>
File.atime(path) returns the last access time but I want to return the last opened time that is shown in Finder (osx). Is that possible?
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<wyclif_>
back
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<wyclif_>
hi
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<shevy>
dweeb what is the "last opened time" in terms of unix commands? I think the ruby File class only abstracts the underlying unix concept
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<Hanmac>
linusoleander: did you try :type_id ?
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<linusoleander>
hanmac: type_id is not a field, or what do you mean?
<Hanmac>
no i mean do a ":" before it
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<Hanmac>
and it does have nothing to do with "field" … ruby does not have "field"
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<linusoleander>
I meant column, and I'm not where I should use :type_id
<Hanmac>
in your problematic line 13
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<linusoleander>
Why would calling a symbol help?
<linusoleander>
I want to call the class method type_id inside the lambda
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<Hanmac>
maybe the default_scope does not do what you want? did you try class.type_id ?
<Hanmac>
linusoleander: i think you should try out #rubyonrails … it looks like a rails problem for me
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<likemike>
hanmac: can i Q you ?
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<Hanmac>
oO i am trapped in a bond Movie or why does i need to be Q? … or i am in Startrek?
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<likemike>
hanmac: /q you :-)
<Hanmac>
is that a short form for /quit ?
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<shevy>
he means /query
<shevy>
:P
* Hanmac
is not an sql server
<likemike>
heh
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<likemike>
i am slowly learning ruby but i don't know what to code :-( any tips ? ( i have no knowledge of dbs,js,html,ajax,rails,css)
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<Hanmac>
i think you think to much web based …. you can use ruby for nearly anything … (you can make console applications or GUI applications or Games with ruby too)
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<likemike>
hanmac: i can't think of anything console based which would be useful atm as most *nix boxes do not have ruby installed but maybe you can give me some ideas. For gui i also do not have any knowledge of frameworks etc
<likemike>
treat me as an absolute beginner :-)
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<Hanmac>
hm i dont know what i can show you, most of my stuff i would recomend is not finish yet
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<shevy>
likemike I use ruby as a replacement for shell scripts and any other task that I want to automate
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<shevy>
likemike it also depends on the distribution, the major distributions tend to have some kind of ruby available by default
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<likemike>
shevy: i don't have anything at home i would want to automate and at work we use *NIX
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<shevy>
likemike what I would do if I were you is to extract useful snippets and knowledges into local files. answer simple things like: "how do I define a method in ruby", "how do I write a class, how do I then use it", then start to make tiny libraries, for instance: how to save a file, fill your knowledgebase with things like "what is the keyword yield in ruby used for"
<shevy>
odd :)
<shevy>
I never run out of things I want to or have to do
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<MrZYX>
likemike: don't you already have some scripts in other languages to automate things? Rewrite them in ruby
<shevy>
I use NIX as well but I suppose you mean that you use shell scripts. I dont believe in the power of shell scripts much at all, I would rather use python or ruby and never a shell script ever again, perhaps you have less need to use ruby in the first place likemike?
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<shevy>
likemike I wrote a quizzer in ruby, it randomly asks me question from a knowledge database. if I can answer the question, it gets marked as finished, otherwise it will be repeated at a later time
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<likemike>
shevy: i mean that we use aix,hpux,solaris and on those machines we do have perl / shell scripts. Yep i don't really have a need to user ruby at all i just simply want to learn it as it looks "shiny" to me :-)
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<Hanmac>
"solaris, old as the sun itself"
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<shevy>
likemike what also helped me was when I wrote down todo-files, eventually some of these became projects on their own
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<shevy>
likemike ok, try to find a shell script that is not too big and replace it in ruby, we help
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<shevy>
if I'd have to write a shell script these days, I'd let ruby autogenerate it :P
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<likemike>
shevy: i wanted to write something where i could put my ideas ...map them...something like simple mind mapping.Ofc you could simply put these to text editor but the point is to write something and use it :-)
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* Hanmac
sings "everything in php can be done in ruby better … " ;P
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<banisterfiend>
hanmac quit your php job and cruise the streets looking for ruby work, put on your backpack!
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<Hanmac>
i tryed last time, but they all wants only PHP stuff :/ … i think i need to develop on my free libs more … maybe someone would throw a coin in ,P
<Hanmac>
i mean they only wants Rails
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<shevy>
likemike once you set out the basics of that, also write GUI bindings to them in ruby-gtk
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<Todd>
I do my best work when I get home at night and put my headphones on. People come by my desk all day at work.
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<brendan-_>
can anyone point me to some resources for writing ruby for shell/system administration tasks? ie: i'd like to run a ruby script via cron to check process run times and act accordingly… im unsure where to start with that
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<TMM>
hello all
<TMM>
I have a line of code that reads this : remove_const(:HostImpl) if const_defined?(:HostImpl)
<TMM>
and it fails with a NameError
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<TMM>
the HostImpl arrives in the Module's scope through an include
<TMM>
I'd like to unload it so I can include a different implementation (this is for rspec testing)
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<bartocc>
on OSX, how can I avoid this ? cc1: warnings being treated as errors
<bartocc>
I can't install the byebug gem because of this
<heftig>
bartocc: remove -Werror from the flags
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<bartocc>
heftig: is it possible to de-activate -Werror on the "gem install" line ?
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<heftig>
bartocc: don't think so
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<heftig>
TMM: no need to remove it, if it's coming from an include
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<heftig>
TMM: another include of a module with an identical constant would shadow this one
<TMM>
heftig, OK, I'll give that a go then
<banisterfiend>
heftig cool name btw, are you foreign?
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<heftig>
banisterfiend: haven't we talked already? :p
<heftig>
must have been months ago
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<banisterfiend>
yeah, i just wanted to see how you'd react to be called foreign ;) sry /end troll
<TMM>
heftig, this does not entirely do what I expect, there appears to be an order of events now where the include now says "wrong argument type Class (expected Module)" which makes no sense
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<matti>
banisterfiend: Any way to convince Time.at/Time.parse to stop yielding parsed time in local time?
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<TMM>
I think there is a gem that deals specifically with dynamically loading and unloading of modules right?
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<r0bglees0n>
heftig: you shouldn't encourage that "fail" rubbish
<r0bglees0n>
i experimented
<TMM>
heftig, let me expand a little. So I have a Host class and a bunch of different HostImpl classes that get loaded into a module with Include. So you get Module::HostImpl after an include, and a Module::Host which gets loaded which has an include Module::HostImpl
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<shevy>
the biggest problem with time is ...
<shevy>
... there is no time left!!!
<r0bglees0n>
shevy: ruby's inheritence model :P
<TMM>
although I'm beginning to suspect that maybe I should reverse this dependency and have the driver include the class
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<TMM>
rather than the other way around
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<banisterfiend>
TMM why use modules rather than good ol' composition
<banisterfiend>
i hate those long stack of module includes people lab to do
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<TMM>
banisterfiend, how would you do it then?
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<banisterfiend>
TMM i haven't been reading your posts so i don't know what u're doing, but i think long module chains are almost as bad (or juts as bad) as long inheritance chains. Just use objects and composition
<wuest>
I find that more readable than def foo; @x=5; end
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<MrZYX>
I'd still give it its 3 lines
<wuest>
MrZYX: Unless I have a TONNE of 3 line functions, me too.
<wuest>
Esp. since vim folds >2 lines on my setup.
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<Hanmac>
wuest i sugest to write some kind of macro that defines the methods for you
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<wuest>
hanmac: Yup, if the methods are boilerplate-y enough
<Hanmac>
like mk_func(:foo,:@x,5)
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<wuest>
The less code repetition, the better, as a rule, after all.
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* Hanmac
used this kind of method generation in C too
<joshu>
for anyone using postgres.app on Mac where does the app store the databases?
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<bean__>
joshu: that seems pretty unrelated to #ruby, lol
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<joshu>
bean__ well true I'm using it with ruby and thought I'd ask here if anyone else is, but no worries I
<joshu>
I'll ask somewhere else
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<bean__>
joshu: my hunch would be ~/Library/Application Support/
<bean__>
but I could be wrong
<bean__>
I don't use it, but lots of .app's drop things there
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<joshu>
bean__ I'll have a look thanks
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<brendan-_>
can anyone point me to some resources for writing ruby for shell/system administration tasks? ie: i'd like to run a ruby script via cron to check process run times and act accordingly… im unsure where to start with that
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<bean__>
brendan-_: as someone who writes ruby and bash scripts I recommend using bash if you can. heh
<bean__>
calling bash from ruby isn't the most thing you've ever done
<bean__>
yeah
<brendan-_>
just gets ugly?
<bean__>
>> system "echo ABC"
<brendan-_>
we're an RoR shop and the only exposure to ruby has been with Puppet
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<catphish>
looks like that's for a modified utf-7
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<platzhirsch>
Do you prefer Module::method or Module.method for module methods?
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<waxjar>
:: is deprecated iirc
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<banisterfiend>
waxjar doubt it ;) :: Is still used often by libraries that implement fake constructors
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<wuest>
Since when is :: deprecated?
<platzhirsch>
waxjar: at least not in 2.0.0
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<waxjar>
hmm.. i must be confusing it with something else then.
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<platzhirsch>
banisterfiend: I am loath to tell you, but the buggy Pry debugging behavior is back from which I thought I got rid. For instance I have a statement like repository.snapshots.last.andand(metric) and although I enter next, the debugger goes into the andand method definition. I wonder if it makes sense to create an isolated case where this happens
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<banisterfiend>
platzhirsch did you use pry-byebug
<platzhirsch>
banisterfiend: yes
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<banisterfiend>
platzhirsch ruby 2.0 ?
<banisterfiend>
hmm
<platzhirsch>
yes and these are my pry gems: pry (0.9.12.2), pry-byebug (1.1.2), pry-rails (0.3.2)
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<banisterfiend>
platzhirsch 'andand' is perhaps doing something magic that confuses the stack frame identifier code
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<platzhirsch>
unfortunately this is not the only library where this happens
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<havenwood>
Uchiha: Your problem seems to be anxiety. Maybe there is a better channel?
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<IceDragon>
>.> is the sky falling again?
<mva3212>
hey yall!
<canton7>
it's hard to help someone who hasn't asked a question...
<Uchiha>
lol
<mva3212>
What is the best queue solution for ruby on rails?
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<IceDragon>
My suggestion duct tape
<Uchiha>
no i am having a prob with my phone
<IceDragon>
It solves everything
<IceDragon>
and ruby?
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<havenwood>
Uchiha: Is your phone running Ruby?
<canton7>
that, or W40
<Hanmac>
mva3212: wrong channel
<Uchiha>
no
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<canton7>
why are you in #ruby then?
<IceDragon>
>->;
<Uchiha>
idk i just found this website
<pontiki>
lol
<Uchiha>
what channel do i need to go to
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<havenwood>
Uchiha: I think #python.
<pontiki>
ROFLCOPTERS
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<pontiki>
havenwood++++
<Uchiha>
how do i join that
<havenwood>
/join #python
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<IceDragon>
/join #channel
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<pontiki>
hold the powerbutton down on your phone for 10 seconds
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<IceDragon>
Ruby++! ITS RUBY, BUT WITH THE SPEED OF C++ :D
<matiasevqz>
Hi all. My question is simple, is there a shortcut to this?:
<matiasevqz>
zero = BigDecimal.new("0.0")
<matiasevqz>
while (anotherBigDecimal > zero) {
<matiasevqz>
...
<matiasevqz>
}
<matiasevqz>
Maybe some built-in function in the BigDecimal that I am missing?
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<IceDragon>
try .zero?
<IceDragon>
anotherBigDecimal.zero?
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<matiasevqz>
lol i miss that je
<matiasevqz>
thanks
<IceDragon>
np
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<matiasevqz>
uhm but i also need to compare that anotherBigDecimal is positive
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<Hanmac>
matiasevqz: why not "> 0" ?
<matiasevqz>
i am decrementing anotherBigDecimal in the loop
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<OneMT>
https://gist.github.com/OneMT/d0dfed12a8820ee7b10f. I am rescuing Encoding::UndefinedConversionError. When the rescue fires it takes the entire ary that several files are contained in.I want to mv only the single file in the array firing the rescue.
<matiasevqz>
i think (not sure) that "anotherBigDecimal > 0" will not generate a BigDecimal
<matiasevqz>
let me check
<havenwood>
matiasevqz: it will result in `true` or `false`
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<OneMT>
Can I get rescue to achieve this?
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<OneMT>
s/Can I get rescue to achieve this?/I need help
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<pontiki>
OneMT: looking at that, it would ary.last
<pontiki>
it would also be in email
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<matiasevqz>
havenwood: youre right, my mistake
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<matiasevqz>
but i'm not sure if that is a safe comparation
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<OneMT>
pontiki, I tried doing email_filepath https://gist.github.com/OneMT/5a49e0d1682b4f19a22a but after the rescue fires it never seems to stop. And I know it is only a couple of files so I assume it's moving the entire array instead of just the file with the encoding error.
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<havenwood>
matiasevqz: `> 0` should be a fine solution, if that is really what you're wanting to loop until
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<havenwood>
s/until/while
<OneMT>
pontiki, I expect that to only rescue the file with an error but it doesn't.
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<Uchiha>
no one answers
<Uchiha>
on python or forums or anything
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<matiasevqz>
havenwood: thanks, that was my doubt
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<OneMT>
Uchiha, that doesn't sound like a question to me.
<Uchiha>
is anybody good with the samsung captivate
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<pontiki>
OneMT: which file are you talking about? the one in email from Mail.read(email_filepath) ?
<Uchiha>
what??
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<pontiki>
OneMT: since you are filling ary as you go through each email_filepath, of course it is going to contain everything saved in it up to the point the exception throws
<pontiki>
however, email_filepath should be the current one that is failing, and it's contents will still be in email
<Uchiha>
i have a prob with my samsung captivate
<pontiki>
OneMT: on your rescue line, add '=> e'
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<pontiki>
then in the debugger you can check e.backtrace.first to see where the exception actually occured
<havenwood>
Uchiha: Just to be clear, you are looking for technical support for your Samsung phone in random programming channels on IRC?
<Uchiha>
wtf are u people talking bout
<Uchiha>
oh
<Uchiha>
ok
<pontiki>
Uchiha is apparently very lonely and in need of companionship
<OneMT>
pontiki, ok
<Uchiha>
then how do i get help
<Morrolan>
What is this IRC and how did I end up here?
<pontiki>
yell really loudly
<OneMT>
Where am I....
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<Uchiha>
where can i find help for my phone
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<pontiki>
where you bought it from
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<havenwood>
Uchiha: Not on IRC, as there are 13 people in #blamesamsung and 3 in #samsung...
<Uchiha>
well i am 14,000 miles awaay from where i bought it from
<OneMT>
I'm really curious as to how you ended up in the ruby irc for help with your phone.
<havenwood>
Pretty bizarre, unless troll.
<havenwood>
then typical
<Uchiha>
i am just really in a need of help for my phone
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<pontiki>
so naturally, find a random web site that points to a random irc channel and ask if you can get help but never actually ever say what the problem is
<pontiki>
this is certainly a good use of everyone's time
<pontiki>
if the problem is your phone: throw it away
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<pontiki>
this will certainly save us all time
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<platzhirsch1>
What a splendid idea to search my database records in each title with a contains-text regular expression, not very fast :P
<czhang>
did you at least anchor it on one end?
<czhang>
because if not, </3
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<fryguy>
anchoring isn't guaranteed to help
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<platzhirsch1>
What's mean with anchoring?
<platzhirsch1>
/.*#{query}.*/
<fryguy>
platzhirsch1: query.* or .*query
<fryguy>
not both
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<platzhirsch1>
oh, thought so but wasn't sure, but isn't then the result set smaller?
<fryguy>
the first case can use btree indexes in postgres and mysql, the latter can't use a btree index in mysql, i'm not sure if postgres has a provision to allow it to be usable
<czhang>
it makes it minimally faster when you search the db
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<czhang>
postgres gets improvements in speed from it, yeah
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<platzhirsch1>
okay, not even sure if it works with MongoDB. I used Elasticsearch before, but for both, as a data store and search engine
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<platzhirsch1>
no, nut good to know :)
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<snyp>
How do I get the value of a block called by yield?
<snyp>
i am doing b = yield n
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<snyp>
doesn't seem to be working
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<snyp>
oh yeah... sorry, i made a logical error it appears.. damn
<snyp>
thanks
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<Tearan>
:)
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<Tearan>
I just happened to have that open
<snyp>
Tearan: haha nice
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<Hanmac>
let me guess you used "do … end" again?
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<snyp>
oh no no, just a logical error, it should be return ls, but i only put return. i was writing a take_while function to get the hang of ruby blocks and yield.
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<snyp>
is inheriting used much by libraries or do they use mixins, i personally like the idea of mixin.
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<banisterfiend>
snyp they're used in different situations (usually)
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<|jemc|>
banisterfiend: do you have a preferred extension gem for breakpoints, line-stepping, gdb-esque methods for pry?
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<canton7>
g0th, example input and output? I'm afraid your question isn't clear
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<apeiros>
canton7: broken mindreader again?
<canton7>
yeah, it keeps failing on me :(
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<apeiros>
I told you to get the XR9 model, it's much more reliable.
<canton7>
hah! that wouldn't be as fun...
<g0th>
canton7: I got it working somehow
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<g0th>
with repeated_combination
* canton7
still isn't sure what exactly the thing g0th got working was...
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<Stalkr_>
What's the naming convention for Class files? Looks like the class should be defined as 'class MyClass', but what about the file? my_class.rb or MyClass.rb?
<Morrolan>
snake_case.rb, normally.
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<|jemc|>
my_class.rb
<|jemc|>
yeah
<Stalkr_>
Thanks :-)
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<Stalkr_>
Are there any reason for using class MyClass instead of class my_class?
<|jemc|>
yes,
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<Morrolan>
Same reason that there's any kinds of conventions.
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<|jemc|>
the first letter must be capitalized for it to be a Constant
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<|jemc|>
>> class my_class; end
<eval-in>
|jemc| => /tmp/execpad-6b8535bf304d/source-6b8535bf304d:2: class/module name must be CONSTANT ... (https://eval.in/50494)
<Stalkr_>
I see
<Stalkr_>
Okay, thanks for the help
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<apeiros>
|jemc|, Stalkr_: my_class.rb is actually rails convention. plain ruby convention is myclass.rb
<apeiros>
(personally I'd prefer MyClass.rb, sadly that's no convention at all)
<Morrolan>
Ew.
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<Stalkr_>
o:
<Xeago>
apeiros: why do you prfer camelcase?
<apeiros>
Morrolan: it'd allow 1:1 lossless infers from classname to filename and vice-versa
<Xeago>
consistency with classname?
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<apeiros>
yes
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<apeiros>
all other schemes are lossy
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<Xeago>
how is snake case lossy?
<|jemc|>
conversion from snake to camel and back is lossy
<Xeago>
nvm, dns_server
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<|jemc|>
yeah, that's a good example of it
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<apeiros>
rails "solves" this by not having DNSServer, only DnsServer
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<apeiros>
I find that unacceptable
<Xeago>
agreed
<apeiros>
I find DNS::Server acceptable (and actually making sense too)
<Xeago>
that would be dns/server.rb?
<Morrolan>
What advantage does a lossless mapping between files and the class(es) it contains have, anyway?
<apeiros>
yes, still lossy
<apeiros>
Morrolan: rails autoloading not needing to probe a couple of thousand file names on startup?
<Xeago>
Morrolan: easy navigation
<Morrolan>
Xeago: Easier to navigate how?
<Morrolan>
apeiros: Hrm.
<Xeago>
no finicky stuff regarding filenames expecting those to define some class
<apeiros>
easier and better implementations of autoload in general? (autoloads threading issue not withstanding)
<Xeago>
where filename != class
<apeiros>
and yes, zero thought on your filename :)
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<apeiros>
it's just nested_name.gsub(/::/, '/')+".rb"
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<apeiros>
what's up with rdoc.info as of lately?
<apeiros>
I keep getting infinite reloads…
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<|jemc|>
I've been getting that tooi
<|jemc|>
*too
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<|jemc|>
seems like for at least a week now
<Xeago>
not happening here
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<petey>
hi everyone, im using rbenv - are there any resources to auto updating your gems?
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<dummby>
ruby is shit
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<chee>
lol
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<canton7>
will that block everyone using anonymox? not that that's a bad thing...
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<apeiros>
hm?
<apeiros>
why would it?
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<canton7>
I didn't bother to look into how it works, but that IP seems to belong to one of their proxies?
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<apeiros>
well, too bad.
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<canton7>
:P
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<endash>
definitely agree with the focus on learning ruby as distinct from rails
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<Stalkr_>
What about his route of resources? The post is from 2011, new better resources out there or is it still great?
<San1ty>
tbh I don't understand why people enjoy ruby this much. Node does about the same and presents it way more userfriendly. But maybe that just my biased and unexperienced opinion...
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<Stalkr_>
Isn't Node.js an ugly language? I don't know, just read it
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<fryguy>
javascript isn't exactly a good language
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<San1ty>
Stalkr_, don't know what you mean with ugly but I find it extremely readable and efficient.
<San1ty>
fryguy, is ECMA Script really that bad? I wonder in what aspect then?
<atmosx>
San1ty: change your nickname
<banisterfiend>
San1ty coffee script is nice, javascript is nasty IMO
<Stalkr_>
I don't know, something about a ton of callbacks
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<atmosx>
banisterfiend: try RedScript, looks way more rubyish than coffescript
<San1ty>
I guess it's all preference in the end :). I'm no serious developer in any aspect. Purely doing things for fun.
<Stalkr_>
fryguy: Great, do you know what they mean by deploying? I have an app hosted on Heroku and I see it is getting tracked, is it deployed then?
<banisterfiend>
San1ty writing node.js with a promises API wrapper, and doing it in coffee script, i'm sure isn't bad
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<fryguy>
should be
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<San1ty>
banisterfiend, do you really like coffee script that much? I find all the tabbing makes things more unreadable then oldschool brackets.
<banisterfiend>
San1ty 'all that tabbing' ? you're indenting anyway, in javascript, if your'e doing it right
<Stalkr_>
fryguy: Because I received this email and I tried to deploy an app (as they said), but I have gotten nothing. It seems pretty confusing http://newrelic.com/lp/codeschool-3-months
<chee>
i do miss the curly braces, but coffeescript is cool for other reasons
<Stalkr_>
"You'll receive an email from New Relic with your code for three free months of Code School after deploying."
<San1ty>
banisterfiend, definately indenting, but without proper closure it kinde gets to me.
<chee>
namely things like
<Stalkr_>
So I just assume they mean deploying as 'when I get tracked'
<San1ty>
banisterfiend, I'm toooo oldschool :p
<chee>
result = try eval message
<banisterfiend>
San1ty i don't actually mind it, i find it pretty nice, there's a few times that it's annoying (like typing out a large, nested object literal) but aside from that i really like it
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<Stalkr_>
Wait, what... my app is gone
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<apeiros>
Stalkr_: we don't know either.
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<Stalkr_>
apeiros: I just wanted to see if I could fix it myself before I asked you :-)
<apeiros>
Stalkr_: maybe mention it after you've tried then ;-)
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<Stalkr_>
That's really weird, I did nothing (I tried to push, but it said every was up to date) After restarting twice or thrice, it finally started reporting
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<Stalkr_>
As soon as I try to get info on New Relic it throws an error. Found a fix maybe, trying this now
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<redondos>
is it possible to force WEBrick to use Connection: close instead of keep-alive?
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<atmosx>
anyone using monk skeleton + sinatra?
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<atmosx>
I'm a little confused on how to access helpers from viewers in this rails-like tree
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<tgraham>
redondos: Not that I'm aware of, you'll want to use something like Thin if you're running into problems with the keep-alive.
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<redondos>
thank you, tgraham
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<redondos>
the issue is with video/webm files: chrome doesn't seem to play them with Connection: keep-alive
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<redondos>
if I use other web servers where the only headers that are different are Connection and Server, it works fine.
<redondos>
does it make sense?
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<tgraham>
You could edit the httpresponse.rb file for WEBrick to make it send the headers you need, but I wouldn't do that just to get WEBrick running. I'd use something else to serve the app. Just feels wrong to have to muck with WEBrick like that.
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<tgraham>
Thin, Pow, Puma, Passenger Standalone
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<tgraham>
Unicorn
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<tgraham>
Plenty of different options that wouldn't require WEBrick mods and would get you back to developing instead of opsing.
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<Authenticator>
I'm trying to write a versioned library that needs to stay backwards compatible. v3 needs to read v1, etc. I had an idea for making Lib_v1, Lib_v2 modules which get included in order, and a 'call_latest_versioned_method :foo' which calls foo_v3, foo_v2, etc... Seems complicated. Is there a good pattern for this?
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<IcyDragon>
:O make different modules with the same methods
<IcyDragon>
MainModule = VersionModule
<IcyDragon>
>.> you can overwrite constants in ruby
<IcyDragon>
Even though its bad pratice
<IcyDragon>
*pratice
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<Authenticator>
IcyDragon: I've got class MyLib, and module MyLib_v1 def foo_v1, module MyLib_v2 def foo_v2, etc...
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<matiasevqz>
hi all, question: is considered bad practice to put classes that not inherit from ActiveRecord::Base in the directory app/model/ ?
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<Authenticator>
And class MyLib ; def foo *args ; call_latest_submethod *args ; end ; end
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<|jemc|>
matiasevqz: try #rubyonrails
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<|jemc|>
matiasevqz: this channel is for generic ruby
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<IcyDragon>
Authenticator, the other option is to just keep different libs for each version
<matiasevqz>
thanks jemc
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<matiasevqz>
sorry my mistake
<|jemc|>
no problem
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<IcyDragon>
>-> or you could end up wit the next windows... (points at people who still use win98 apps in win8)
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<Authenticator>
IcyDragon: I would just make my_program_v1.rb, etc, except that you'll end up running it on mixed (old and new) params in one call... my_program.rb v1_file v3_file
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<IcyDragon>
._. Trust me, maintaining old code becomes a nightmare later, and will bite you in the ass
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: also, vital for this sort of thing - *include a version number in the file format*
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<Authenticator>
I had a module Versioned, which module Foo_v# would extend to number all of Foo_v#'s methods to match, and then included these in a matching class (Foo) in numeric order.
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: then you can, if necessary, simply have a ReaderV1, ReaderV2, ReaderV3, etc and create an instance of the correct one based off the version number
<Authenticator>
wm3|away: Heh, yeah. Now all new versions are numbered, though the location of that changes, but the older versions need to be guessed from other properties.
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<IcyDragon>
Oh boy...
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: bleh... doesn't sound like a good situation
<Authenticator>
IcyDragon: Yeah, simply writing code to tell what version it is is now a pain. But ideally it'll test if file X if _vN, then _v(N-1), etc...
<IcyDragon>
:x
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: the other thing with that sort of situation... you'll want/need to always transform the data internally into the same models
<IcyDragon>
I have a bad feeling you'll end up with monsterous if statements and multi page cases
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: you don't want to be maintaining multiple versions of internal data structures... you always want to handle that when reading in the data files
<Authenticator>
IcyDragon: That's what it is now. I'm trying to put all version_X code in the same place.
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: or write a separate script that can update an old version to a new
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<Authenticator>
wm3|away: That can't happen. The old files are read-only at this point. But yeah, I'd considered it.
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: right, then you really want to have a set of versioned readers that translate the old versions into the current internal data model
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: then you basically throw the file(s) at an object that determines which version import to use
<IcyDragon>
>,> see children, and this is why good data models are important..
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<Authenticator>
Yeah, roughly. And that's trivial, it's all the meta-data that's disk-location specific that's a problem. The internal model is just a string and all the metadata is recreated for writing a new version.
<wm3|away>
IcyDragon: exactly... and also why it's important to consider stable versioning for your data as well as your code :)
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<IcyDragon>
Other option, leave the lib and start another one (new and improved)
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: the meta-data is part of your data model
<IcyDragon>
Pass the old one unto some second cousin or someone
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: and part of what you need to translate during import
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<Authenticator>
wm3|away: Not really, it's only relevant for that specific stored copy, the data in the file is all we want once it versioned loading/checking is done. It's essentially a digest but the digest format, etc, changed over time.
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: do you care about it at the time of importing the file?
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<Authenticator>
wm3|away: Only for checking, read_v3 has to verify a v3 checksum, etc, but then it's just a string of bytes.
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: right... so the process is pretty simple... write an object that can take a file and determine what version it is
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: and then write separate importers for each version
<Authenticator>
IcyDragon: my_program_v3 needs to be able to seamlessly read _v2 files or I would just retire _v2.
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: the object that determines versions can then hand the file off to the correct importer
<IcyDragon>
By the way, is it marshalled ruby objects or just good old binary data?
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<wm3|away>
Authenticator: and each importer only needs to care about how to deal with its specific data format, etc.
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<Authenticator>
wm3|away: Okay, I've essentially got that code - from all the existing versions. It's the structure of the correct importer, etc, that I'm wondering about. Importer_v1, Importer_v2, or Importer.file_v1, etc? Can I do this without having to manually specify Importer_v(n+1) in the VersionChecker every time? (ie, introspect to find it)
<IcyDragon>
hmm
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: it's a single place in your code, and you have a finite set of versions you are dealing with
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: I'd just have them hard-coded
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: also, I'd use V1Importer, V2Importer, etc. rather than Importer_v1
<Authenticator>
wm3|away: Why the naming order?
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: ImporterV1 could also work
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: it's the _v1 that looks un-ruby :)
<Authenticator>
Heh, okay.
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: but I'd put it at the front because I would potentially namespace rather than prefix the names :)
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: so V1::Importer, V2::Importer
<wm3|away>
Authenticator: which also gives you a namespace for version-specific code on the import, if necessary :)
<Authenticator>
Interesting idea, yeah.
<Authenticator>
Now to try to mangle the v1 code into the same set of entry points as the latest, so I can turn them into similar libraries. :)
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<IcyDragon>
@___@ Anyone here have any experience with writing custom bytecode formats?
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<IcyDragon>
wait, what am I saying..
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<Authenticator>
wm3|away: IceDragon: Thanks. I'll go poke at it with those ideas in mind.
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<IceDragon>
kk
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<platzhirsch>
Before I favored array = [], then array = Array.new, now [] again. phew...
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<platzhirsch>
IceDragon: custom byecode formats? For what?
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<IceDragon>
I was getting ahead of myself
<platzhirsch>
can't follow..
<IceDragon>
I need to write a lexer for an assembly like file
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<platzhirsch>
sweet
<Guest17981>
igdb.com is looking for a volunteer ruby dev, anyone have the time?
<IceDragon>
Basically I created an Assembly like interpreter in ruby
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<platzhirsch>
Guest17981: games are evil
<IceDragon>
>.> however I broke the original lexer beyond repair (thats what you get for not backing up)
<atmosx>
I like Array.new and Hash.new more
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<atmosx>
no one uses them in real code examples though
<IceDragon>
>_> I use Array.new
<IceDragon>
Array.new(size, default_data)
<atmosx>
what is the diff between Array.new and Array.new(0) or hash with a (0)?
<wm3|away>
atmosx: any particular reason you prefer them?
<Guest17981>
platzhirsch: xD :P
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<IceDragon>
try it
<IceDragon>
:O
<IceDragon>
Hash.new(0) # 0 is the default data
<atmosx>
wm3|away: I consider them more clean/elegant.
<atmosx>
IceDragon: Oh got it, like def something(value=1)
<IceDragon>
brb
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: not quite
<wm3|away>
>> a = Hash.new(0); a[:non_existant_key]
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: so [] is quicker to read and involves fewer characters to express the same thing. I fail to see how that doesn't lend itself to [] being the more elegant solution? :)
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<atmosx>
wm3|away: I think Array.new has a clearer meaning to non-rubyists. Then againa non-rubyist wouldn't bother reading ruby code.
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<atmosx>
I like using words, and quicker imho doesn't mean more elegant (for me) but might be for yu, for example I never use the ? : notation over if/else ... very rarely I might do it. If the expression is really short.
<atmosx>
but generally I don't like it
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: I generally go by the idea that if I can reduce something without obscuring its meaning, the smaller version is the more elegant one
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<atmosx>
I see.
<wm3|away>
atmosx: otherwise you're saying elegance is made up of redundant data/representation
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<atmosx>
I don't think these examples are redundant, they are more verbose for sure.
<wm3|away>
atmosx: and [] is pretty clear to lots of people who aren't rubyists
<atmosx>
pythons? :-P
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: it may not be clear to non-coders though :)
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: python uses [] for a list, which is very array-like ;)
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<atmosx>
yeah and () for tuples right?
<wm3|away>
yup
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: and then they have {} for dicts, which are very hash-like
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<atmosx>
nice
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: and by 'redundant' I mean you're using more than is necessary to represent something
<atmosx>
I see
<wm3|away>
atmosx: Array.new contains not only redundant characters, but also a redundant constant lookup and a redundant method call compared to []
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<atmosx>
wm3|away: show me something you wrote
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<atmosx>
I'm curious to see if I can read your code easily.
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: my public code is depressingly minimal and old :(
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<atmosx>
why so?
<atmosx>
how do you prove yourself? :-P when you go to a new client
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<wm3|away>
we show them some samples from our company's private repos after getting either an NDA or a written agreement that the code won't be distributed
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<wm3|away>
I'm not a freelancer ;)
<atmosx>
I see
<atmosx>
out of curiosity the repos sit on github/bitbucket paid accounts on in your server?
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<wm3|away>
some in gh paid accounts, some older ones in a git server I set up pre-github
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<wm3|away>
atmosx: and I then find it hard to dedicate enough time to doing much personal project work in a lump to be beneficial outside of work, so instead I do smaller amounts of time talking and helping out on IRC :)
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<atmosx>
wm3|away: hehe true
<IceDragon>
wm3|away help me write a lexer then
<IceDragon>
:(
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: I'm not particularly great on compiler theory, I'm afraid
<IceDragon>
;_;
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: maybe get the dragon book? or perhaps just the DSL book by Fowler? there's probably some good examples on how to write lexers in them :)
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: or possibly just delve into the ruby source and find the code for Ripper
<IceDragon>
O: Oh no I was planning on using RLTK
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: hmm... seems pretty easy there... write a lexer class with a bunch of regexps
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<IceDragon>
:)
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: first things first then... I assume this is a custom language? have you written out some form of BNF for it yet?
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<IceDragon>
BNF?
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<wm3|away>
Backus-Naur Form
<IceDragon>
:x had to google it
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<IceDragon>
yeah I have a basic idea
<IceDragon>
I was just writing it a moment ago too..
<wm3|away>
well, if you write your BNF down, that helps you identify your tokens
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<wm3|away>
then you can write your lexer from that
<IceDragon>
Everything has to collapsed into a single stream in the end
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<IceDragon>
*be
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<wm3|away>
I assume it's the equivalent of a scope for the labels
<wm3|away>
are you allowing nested namespaces?
<IceDragon>
no
<wm3|away>
are you allowing un-namespaced labels?
<IceDragon>
yup
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<IceDragon>
those will fall into the global namespace
<wm3|away>
are you allowing multiple commands on a single line?
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<IceDragon>
no
<IceDragon>
1 command per line
<wm3|away>
do you have a way to set the namespace back to global? or are you relying on whitespace for that?
<IceDragon>
! THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM
<IceDragon>
I was thinking of using curly braces
<wm3|away>
hmm... here's an idea... how about 'namespace' on its own is the global namespace? :)
<IceDragon>
example?
<wm3|away>
well, where you have 'namespace Program' which puts you into the Program namespace
<wm3|away>
after that, you can have a line 'namespace' which puts you back to the global namespcae
<IceDragon>
!
<wm3|away>
*namespace
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<IceDragon>
BRILLIANT
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<wm3|away>
no need to start counting brackets then, you can just keep a 'current' namespace (which defaults to the empty string)
<wm3|away>
and you can process line-by-line
<IceDragon>
win
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<IceDragon>
I wonder if I should support strings..
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<wm3|away>
btw, I'd be tempted to write this initially without using RLTK, then once you've figured a line-by-line interpreter out, consider how you'd rewrite it using RLTK
<IceDragon>
true true
<IceDragon>
Seems like a waste to use a full fledged lexer
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<wm3|away>
have you designed your processor yet? :)
<IceDragon>
Yeah
<IceDragon>
Its based off the 8085 for now
<IceDragon>
However I plan to write my own custom one later (or add the option to change processors..)
<wm3|away>
fun :)
<IceDragon>
I know, that was the intention FUN
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<wm3|away>
that's a side I've never delved into much, tbh
<IceDragon>
half of your life has been lost my friend...
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<wm3|away>
I got as far as building accumulators and flip-flops out of logic gates and realised I didn't find it particularly fun
<IceDragon>
O: Okay so maybe that low level isn't fun
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<wm3|away>
I also did a bit on language theory - regular languages, push-down automata, context-sensitive languages, context-free languages and turing machines, and again didn't find it fun in the way I found writing code fun
<IceDragon>
I just write what I fancy, doesn't have to be useful, just functions and does something different
<wm3|away>
it's a good way to learn :)
<platzhirsch>
Tell why Sidekiq that gimp does not free memory after the workers have finished
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<IceDragon>
>_> I wanna complain to someone about Gimp
<IceDragon>
I wanna select multiple layers like in Photoshop..
<wm3|away>
IceDragon: patches welcome? :)
<IceDragon>
To be exact I want a lot of features from photoshop
<IceDragon>
I have no idea what Gimps code looks like ;_;
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: let's be honest... you want photoshop, but you don't want to *pay* for photoshop ;)
<IceDragon>
;) I could always go do stuff you know...
<IceDragon>
>.> But jokes aside Gimp has some nifty features that Photoshop doesn't have
<IceDragon>
I just reaaaaaally want multiple layer selection
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<IceDragon>
wm3|away another problem is that Photoshop is iffy on my Linux (using wine)
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<chee>
best way to learn to program is get a job where everybody thinks you already know how to program and wing it
<IceDragon>
;x that sounds dangerous..
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: lots of people learn that way... it's just called 'first job after getting a CS degree'
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<IceDragon>
;_; I really need to go to college..
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<wm3|away>
IceDragon: nah, you don't :)
<IceDragon>
really?
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<IceDragon>
O: Y not
<chee>
really you dont
<chee>
you can get hired without a degree
<IceDragon>
ok
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<IceDragon>
Depends on your country I guess..
<gf3>
I've dropped out two times
<chee>
and those who learn through practice learn more of the stuff employers actually want/need
<gf3>
And I am gainfully employed
<wm3|away>
IceDragon: unless you think you need 3-4 years of time to settle down, doss around and take time to learn in a more relaxed environment than the work-place
<IceDragon>
>_> damn Jamaica pushing for all these damned papers..
<chee>
gf3 is also highly sexy, so that's another reason not go to college
<gf3>
wm3|away, IceDragon: Also accumulate staggering debt
* IceDragon
shivers
<IceDragon>
debt...
* IceDragon
shivers again
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<chee>
pretty much you can go to college and earn debt
<wm3|away>
gf3: yup :( although I think the UK student loans are somewhat less than the US versions
<IceDragon>
On second thought, lets forget this conversation about college!
<IceDragon>
:D So back to code!
<chee>
or you can get a job and scrooge mcduck in your moneypool it every breakfast
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<wm3|away>
I came out of uni with £16.5k student loans... however, it gets paid back at 9% of what I earn over £15k a year, as part of my normal tax payments, and if I don't pay it off by the time I'm 65 it just vanishes
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<IceDragon>
>,> I could do without debts right now
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<IceDragon>
deathly net split...
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<scottstamp>
Holy hell, that was a big one too.
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<IceDragon>
terrifying...
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<scottstamp>
Every time I see one I ask myself, is it my node getting disconnected from everyone else? :P
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<IceDragon>
same
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<scottstamp>
This is why I use ZNC (and have my close friends share a server with me), that way if we do get a netsplit we can still chat.
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<IceDragon>
xD
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<Lewix>
what does 'propagated mean' Exceptions raised inside exception handlers are not propagated up.'