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<shevy> X[?X+.?' ';]
<seanstickle> (~R∊R∘.×R)/R←1↓⍳R
<d-snp> shevy: it starts with buying a keyboard that supports apl :P
<seanstickle> There you go
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<seanstickle> Prime number calculator
<shevy> {?1 ??.?3 4=+/,¯1 0 1?.?¯1 0 1?.???}
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<shevy> APL seems like in the same boat with brainfuck
<seanstickle> Not at all.
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<d-snp> it's not
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<shevy> look at that gibberish!
<d-snp> it actually sees a lot of commercial use
<seanstickle> It is quite straightforward to write, once you learn a couple of things
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<d-snp> apparently some financial institutes use it a bunch, it's even got bindings for popular datastores etc
<seanstickle> It's very nice for finance, yes
<seanstickle> One accounting graduate program I was considering attending requires APL
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> so the financial mafia uses it
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<d-snp> I'm not sure if it's worth learning though.. I don't know if it's really that paradigm shifting
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<d-snp> I would recommend learning haskell :D
<d-snp> ReinH has made a nice introductory haskell course
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<shevy> too difficult!!!
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<d-snp> it's just a programming language
<d-snp> if you can program in 1 language, you can program in any language
<d-snp> how can it be too difficult?
<seanstickle> That's nonsense
<seanstickle> I can learn French, but it doesn't make Chinese any easier.
<d-snp> .. those are natural languages
<d-snp> whole different ballgame
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<seanstickle> I claim that there is not substantive difference
<d-snp> alright, I think that knowing french makes it drastically more easy to learn chinese
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<seanstickle> Shall I bring it closer via Church-Turing? I can learn calculus, but it does not mean number theory is just as easy.
<shevy> d-snp one can master everything if given enough time!
<shevy> in 50 years I shall master haskell
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<shevy> until then, I am going to finish this tutorial about R
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<d-snp> :P
<shevy> and dream about monads when I sleep :)
<seanstickle> monadic R, eh?
<seanstickle> Interesting notion
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<d-snp> seanstickle: I'm just argueing that programming languages are very simple languages, which have very similar models
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<seanstickle> d-snp: I understand.
<d-snp> as the IO monad shows, modeling an imperative language in a functional one is very straightforward..
<seanstickle> d-snp: I just disagree.
<d-snp> haha ok
<ninegrid> the F# language has a type provider for R
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<ninegrid> and F# is pretty cool, you might could master that prior to haskell... on a spectrum with ruby on the far left representing OO, and eager, and haskell on the far right representing functional and lazy, F# would sit in the middle.. being a hybrid language both imperative OO and functional
<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> I think my brain is too much set to OOP
<d-snp> shevy: you make too many barriers in your mind ;)
<ninegrid> and syntactically comes from ML and looks similar to OCaml and haskell
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<shevy> it's like you use the right hand all your life, then people tell you to use the crappy left hand and it feels so WRONG
<d-snp> ninegrid: did you know ML before F#?
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<ninegrid> d-snp: F# is what got me interested in ML and haskell
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<d-snp> I haven't learned any dirty functional programming language yet, and there are so many popular ones I'm curious to learn one
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<Blue_Ice> I'm creating a new class, inheriting from another class to extend functionality. Some methods are overwritten (as wanted), some extended. But now I want to "rename" a method from the parent class, how should I do that? I tried with alias_method to give the old method a new name and overwrite the original name ... that didn't go well "stack level too deep" error. How does any achieve this?
<ninegrid> d-snp: I was a bit like shevy, more practical about just getting stuff done the way i knew how to do it... but I began playing with F# at work and learned new ways to do things and that sort of opened up haskell and ironically that is why I am now doing ruby
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<d-snp> Blue_Ice: the idea is correct, your code just contains a logical error
<d-snp> if you could pastie.org your code it would be handy :)
<d-snp> ninegrid: nice :)
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<d-snp> I think their connection is that they're all awesome technologies :D
<ninegrid> d-snp: functional languages are really good languages, but in both camps there are people who are against the other side... i'm more of the thinking that both are good and you should be comfortable approaching problems from both mindsets
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<ninegrid> d-snp: but i did recently install the lazylist gem for ruby because I had been spoiled by haskell
<d-snp> yeah, a lot of people have weird prejudices against Haskell, that obviously stem from it's perpetual development
<d-snp> haha I'm not sure that's a good idea
<d-snp> what kind of thing did you need a lazy list for?
<ninegrid> playing
<d-snp> did you know, Somelauw might be interested, that Python removed the reduce function from their standard library because in their opinion code that uses reduce is less readable?
<d-snp> and they are absolutely right too :D
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<Blue_Ice> d-snp: you're right, was just copying the code when I noticed the error (reference to the "old" method, and thus inducing a loop)
<d-snp> reduce is less readable than a for loop
<d-snp> alright Blue_Ice, glad to be of help :)
<Somelauw> d-snp: it is not completely removed, but has to be imported first
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<d-snp> yeah, my first reaction as a Haskell programmer was, but but.. functional programming
<d-snp> but then I saw the examples and I totally agreed..
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<ninegrid> d-snp: i am going to port the ca I wrote in F# to ruby http://codepad.org/LgRhtoSC
<Somelauw> map and filter were not removed, but list comprehensions are the preferred python idiom
<d-snp> I love how ruby and python have these Zen rules that let you decide wether a feature is right for the language very objectively
<Blue_Ice> d-snp: thanks for the pointer ( and making me read my code a second time ^_^ )
<Somelauw> gonna get some sleep
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<ninegrid> d-snp: here is the output to that program http://texas.ircgeeks.us/~dan/multiverse_2c1d
<d-snp> wtf :D
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<ninegrid> d-snp: you need lazy lists to pull that off
<Blue_Ice> d-snp: can I have both methods available? (I just noticed that calls to the new alias_method name get redirected to the new method in stead of the old one)
<Blue_Ice> (and I actually wanted to retain both, hence the idea to alias the old one first)
<d-snp> ninegrid: so it zooms in on that .. wtf I'm too tired to get the word.. when a drawing has infinite recursive depth
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<d-snp> it's a sierpinsky triangle right?
<Blue_Ice> I guess I'll just copy/paste the method over from the parent class. It's static, so doesn't hurt (just not really elegant)
<d-snp> why do I know that, but not what those drawings are called :D
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<ninegrid> d-snp: yes some of them, suprisingly, make serpenski triangles :D
<d-snp> oO :P
<d-snp> Blue_Ice: what do you mean precisely?
<d-snp> you can get a reference to a method with object.method(:method_name)
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<matti> ;]
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<Blue_Ice> d-snp: it's 2 methods in fact. 1 method calls the other one. And that's why I get the same result form old/new method. The alias is working as it should. I just ended up copying the 2 "old" methods over, and renaming them by hand
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<ninegrid> d-snp: are you trying to find the word 'fractal'?
<d-snp> ninegrid: yeS!
<ninegrid> d-snp: the program itself is fractal in that it starts with an initial condition... a 1-d list of cells that is infinite on the left, a cell in the middle, and a cell on the right, and it passes that into the function which returns the next iteration of the universe, and it goes on like that until you stop it. but it's not like.. generally called a fractal, its an elementary cellular automata
<d-snp> :D
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<d-snp> ok I'm going to drink a beer and then go to sleep, it's obviously beyond bedtime for me :D
<ninegrid> ok
<d-snp> is game of life a cellular automaton?
<seanstickle> d-snp: yup
<ninegrid> yea but its 2d not 1d
<ninegrid> the one i'm showing is the most primitive of that class... the most fundamental
<d-snp> aha ok
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<waxjar> in the documentation for Set is says "Set implements a collection of unordered values with no duplicates. This is a hybrid of Array's intuitive inter-operation facilities and Hash's fast lookup."
<waxjar> what is the lookup part of Set?
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<ryanf> checking for inclusion
<ryanf> Array#include? has to iterate through the whole thing to see if your value is there, whereas Set#include? doesn't
<waxjar> ah, ok.
<waxjar> that's it though, no way to get the actual value?
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<ryanf> well you can still use each and stuff if you want to loop through the values in the set
<ryanf> anything in Enumerable
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<waxjar> hmm, that seems to defeat the point of using a Set a bit.
<waxjar> what I'm looking for is sort of a Hash without duplicate values, where the keys can change
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<ryanf> that doesn't really sound like a set
<ryanf> sets aren't for storing key-value pairs
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<waxjar> the keys don't really matter, i'd just use them to look up things instead of iterating over a list.
<waxjar> basically i need to keep a list of users (User objects), which i'd like to look up by their nickname
<waxjar> *current nickname
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<shevy> hey
<shevy> anyone of you has ever used avisynth?
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<shevy> it's still in my head to create a set of ruby classes that could be used similar to avisynth, and apply those filters to audio and video datastreams
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<danktamagachi> hi all, i'm creating a rails app that is basically a microblog.. posts and ratings. but my ratings function in my posts controller isn't updating as expected. here it is: http://pastebin.com/xwiZbMjb it seems to only update @post.rating the first few times its called. Is there something I'm missing?
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<matchaw__> Hi, is anyone able to help with an example of converting an ip in the form "1.2.3.4/8" into two seperate variables $ip = 1.2.3.4 & $mask = 255.0.0.0 ?
<matchaw__> I've seen ipaddr but a bit lost..
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<seanstickle> danktamagachi: (1) that's a Rails question, (2) don't cross-post to multiple channels simultaneously.
<danktamagachi> ok :)
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<shevy> matchaw__ you could split the string at '/'
<shevy> no idea how you go from 8 to 255.0.0.0, dont you have a conversion table for that?
<matchaw__> shevy, yes but ideally I need to check first if the string passed even has cidr notation.
<matchaw__> I think the ipaddr class can help but the docs can be confusing!
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<seanstickle> matchaw__: install the gem "ruby-ip"
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<seanstickle> require "ip"; ip = IP.new("1.2.3.4/8"); mask = ip.netmask.to_s; address = ip.to_addr
<seanstickle> Done and done
<shevy> cool
<matchaw__> Seanstickle, nice.. I will give it a go.
<matchaw__> just got the doc up now.
<matchaw__> I was hoping to use just the native ruby libs.
<seanstickle> Give up that hope.
<matchaw__> lol
<seanstickle> That way lies madness and lost time.
<seanstickle> This is what libs are for!
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<shevy> lol
<felipe_Brz> i'm experimenting with the require and the load constructs.... however, if I define a variable in one file, and attempt to use that variable in another file (even though both files have been loaded by a *third* file), i get "undefined local variable" error... shouldn't this work?
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<micsha> wheres a good place to read about error handling?
<seanstickle> felipe_Brz: details, examples!
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<micsha> seanstickle: thanks
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<felipe_Brz> seanstickle: http://pastie.org/5430140
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<felipe_Brz> shouldn't this work?
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<seanstickle> felipe_Brz: nope
<seanstickle> felipe_Brz: change "foo" to "$foo" in your examples, and it works fine
<seanstickle> This is a scope issue
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<felipe_Brz> seanstickle: thank you very much
<felipe_Brz> so $variables are global?
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<felipe_Brz> yes they are
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<felipe_Brz> i must say naming variables with a dollar sign upfront is definitely not a new concept for me heheheheheh
<felipe_Brz> but in ruby, well, yes
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<seanstickle> felipe_Brz: not exactly the recommended approach
<seanstickle> Globals are considered things to avoid
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<n_blownapart> http://pastie.org/5430190 hi any reason this won't work? noob prog on threads. getting invalid multibyte char error. thanks
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<\13k> n_blownapart, looks like a bad character in the actual file, not a bug in the code. try using "# encoding: utf-8" at the top (yes, with comment). otherwise try switching editors
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<n_blownapart> thanks \13k I wasn't aware of that sort of problem . I ran this prog. last week and had a different answer. I don't think it printed "outside the thread" will check
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<n_blownapart> \13k: ok thanks I ran that and the output was "outside the thread" . But the textbook has also "Starting the thread" outputted first. What's going on?
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<n_blownapart> \13k: if you're still around this is what the book says I should have: http://pastie.org/5430216
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<\13k> n_blownapart, you need to wait for the threads to finish accordingly on the started thread with Thread#join: https://gist.github.com/2a31d32fd07676da8fb5
<\13k> wait in the parent thread, I mean
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<n_blownapart> \13k: thanks I'll take a look. hey, I understand a thread in concept, but in code not very well. Is either sleep or a loop always needed in threads?
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<mercwith1mouth> can someone tell me why he initializes an array with Array.new(blah, true)? opposed to just []? http://jasonwyatt.tumblr.com/post/200734402/sieve-of-eratosthenes-in-ruby
<freezway> How do I add the id3lib gem?
<mercwith1mouth> ??? require 'id3lib' ?
<freezway> doesnt work
<freezway> thats why im asking
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<freezway> i added it with gem install id3lib-ruby
<freezway> and it told me something like .gem/ruby/1.9.1/bin wasnt in my path
<freezway> so I added that to my path
<freezway> and it still doesnt work
<mercwith1mouth> do you require 'rubygems' first by chance?
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<mercwith1mouth> ahh i see..discard my question
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<freezway> and yes i do require rubygems
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<freezway> weird
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<freezway> it works in a interactive ruby shell
<freezway> but not netbeans
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<freezway> oh
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<freezway> netbeans was using its own internal version of ruby
<freezway> with its own gem home
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<freezway> well wait
<freezway> my ruby isnt working
<freezway> if I open an ruby shell and tell it "puts 'Hello world'" it doesnt wrk
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<freezway> nvm
<freezway> i figured it all out
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<freezway> iirc, there was a way to get ruby to excute parts of a string
<freezway> like if i wanted to print an arrays size
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<freezway> puts "the array is $ar.size elements"
<freezway> except it wasnt $
<freezway> it was somethign else
<seanstickle> #{ar.size}
<tsou> freezway: #{..}
<freezway> thanks
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<n_blownapart> http://pastie.org/5430299 hi I'm getting fatal error : 'deadlock detected' on line 12 here. thanks for the help
<n_blownapart> book example ^^
<freezway> well ID3lib is a POS
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<freezway> "\xFF\xFEG\x00n\x00a\x00r\x00l\x00s\x00 \x00B\x00a\x00r\x00k\x00l\x00e\x00y\x00"
<freezway> yeah, because I definiately have an artist by that name
<tbrock> hey guys is there anything that lets you build structured data from rst / markdown files
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<davidcelis> freezway: dude
<davidcelis> freezway: \xFF\xFEG\x00n\x00a\x00r\x00l\x00s\x00 \x00B\x00a\x00r\x00k\x00l\x00e\x00y\x00 is one of my favorite artists
<davidcelis> how'd you hear about them
<freezway> look at the chars before the \s
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<freezway> I swear id3lib drives me Crazy
<freezway> I just want it gone daddy gone
<davidcelis> freezway: FGnarls Barkley
<davidcelis> oh
<davidcelis> ahhahahhaha
<davidcelis> that's incredible
<freezway> is there a way when making a system call not to print it out to the terminal
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<davidcelis> %x{} instead of backticks?
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<davidcelis> err %x() probably prints too. Kernel#exec ?
<freezway> or actually, do you know of a id3v2 lib that actaully works
<freezway> because id3lib doesnt
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<freezway> oh
<freezway> id3lib was discontinued
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<freezway> /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.9.1/taglib.rb:40:in `<module:TagLib>': uninitialized constant DL::Importable (NameError)
<freezway> what does that mean
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<freezway> aw fuck
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<freezway> well that project is a version or two behind
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<matchaw__> hi, how would I do this : http://pastie.org/5430420 using json.parse?
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<abstrusenick> in ruby what is $1 variable?
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<wmoxam> abstrusenick: first match
<abstrusenick> sorry
<abstrusenick> $!
<abstrusenick> not $1
<abstrusenick> is it someway to capture exception?
<wmoxam> A String giving a message describing the pending exception; this is the second parameter to a raise statement.
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<abstrusenick> do you know when to use it?
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<matchaw__> can anyone help with : http://pastie.org/5430420
<matchaw__> how to modify json prior to outputting..
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<coj> does anyone know of gems for classifying items that rely on methods other than bayesian classification? ones using latent semantic analysis?
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<mand> When I'm in a class, what's the different between "def self.somemethod" and "def somemethod"? Is the first one static and the 2nd one not?
<charliesome> mand: the first one defines a singleton method on the class object itself
<charliesome> so yes - it's effectively a static method
<mand> Ah, thanks
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<charliesome> in ruby, you can define methods directly on specific objects that aren't accessible on other objects of the same type
<charliesome> for example: a = "Hello"; def a.upcase; downcase; end; puts a.upcase # => "hello"
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<charliesome> since classes are objects too, this is how static methods work in ruby
<mand> Ah, yes, I just wondered why it said my method didn't exist but then I realized I wasn't working with an instance of the class but directly with the class (so probably calling "static" or singleton methods)
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<mand> But it's quite nice that you can dynamically extend instances of classes
<mand> That's really powerful
<charliesome> mand: one of my favourite things to explain to new ruby programmers is that classes are objects of class Class ;)
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<horrror> hey
<Hanmac> charliesome: be careful the define methods on objects does not work for all objects ... some "primitive" like fixnum or symbol does not support it
<horrror> I'm using require 'geography' in a rb sinatra mode and it doesn't require it. although when i require manually 'geography' in its console it returns "true"
<havenn> Is there a way to reopen a UNIXSocket reader after it has been closed? Stuck and curious if it is possible? https://gist.github.com/4142857
<Hanmac> horrror is "geography" one of your local files?
<horrror> Hanmac: no
<charliesome> Hanmac: sure, but it's easier to say "you can define methods on objects" than "you can define methods on RBasics" :p
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<alun0_> Hey can anyone help me with this code http://pastie.org/5430648
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<havenn> alun0_: url, params = 'http://doesnotexist/page?var1=val1&var2=&var3=val3';.split '?'
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<havenn> alun0_: url + params.split('&').tap(&:shift).unshift('TEST').join #=> "http://doesnotexist/pageTESTvar2=var3=val3"
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<havenn> alun0_: ** url + params.split('&')[1..-1].unshift('TEST').join
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<havenn> I'm falling asleep, this code is bad ^ anyways g'luck!
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<cirwin> https://gist.github.com/396c3006de97c8066501 <-- can anyone find any counter-examples for this behaviour of constant lookup in ruby? I think you should be able to replace any CONST_NAME by binding.const("CONST_NAME") and not notice the difference
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<charliesome> cirwin: if you can read c, this is how ruby looks up constants: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/vm_insnhelper.c#L375-451
<cirwin> yes, I read that
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<lemonsparrow> is there a way I can convert "true" to true ?
<cirwin> "true" == "true"
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<lemonsparrow> cirwin: I have value == "true" so instead of checking if value == true.to_s is there a way I can convert value to boolean/
<lemonsparrow> is there a way I can convert "true" to boolean? a better question
<arturaz> thats the way - check the equality
<heftig> lemonsparrow: bool = value == "true"
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<heftig> er, bool = (value == "true")
<heftig> not sure about the precedence right now
<cirwin> lemonsparrow: something like case value; when "true" then true; when "false" then false; else raise ArgumentError,"not a boolean"; end
<lemonsparrow> heftig: that can be done.. to be precise.. is there way just like how I do true.to_s something for reverse "true".to_boolean
<cirwin> lemonsparrow: not built in
<lemonsparrow> cirwin: yeah would be nice if we can have it ryt ? :)
<cirwin> maybe :)
<cirwin> depends
<cirwin> it's nice sometimes to allow user's to use synonyms
<cirwin> like value =~ /\a(1|on|true|yes)\z/i
<lemonsparrow> cirwin: the point is had value been boolean... I could have just done if value... but instead now I need to do if value == true.to_s
<cirwin> yeah
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<cirwin> it's lame
<cirwin> far too much development is like that
<cirwin> if only whatever gave you that "true" string was capable of giving you a real true
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<arturaz> seriously...
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* cirwin gives arturaz a real true
<heftig> cirwin: \A, not \a
<cirwin> heftig: thanks
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<Retistic> what's the easiest way to check if a string is latitude,longitude pair?
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<pmros> hi!
<Retistic> is there a way to check if a string matches a regex in ruby? everything i find seems to check if it contains the regex rather than if it matches it entirely?
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<cirwin> Retistic: add \A and \z to your regex
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<Retistic> cirwin: i'll try
<Hanmac> Retistic: if you cant change the regex use this: string =~ regex && string.match(regex)[0] == regex
<cirwin> Hanmac: heh, I was going to suggest string[regex] == string :)
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<Hanmac> cirwin yeah yours is better
<Retistic> can i just use string == regex?
<cirwin> Retistic: no
<cirwin> it's not an operation ruby optimizes for
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<Hanmac> cirwin: there is /abc/ === "abcd"
<Hanmac> Retistic: you could try this: /\A#{regex}\z/ === string
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* cirwin defines string =~~ /regex/
<apeiros_> cirwin: hu? what's that to do with optimization?
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<cirwin> apeiros_: optimize in the user-interface sense
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<cirwin> it's not an operation that ruby special cases
<apeiros_> o0
<Retistic> cirwin: is that also true of === ?
<apeiros_> === is =~ for Regexp
<cirwin> Retistic: yes, ignore ===
<apeiros_> Retistic: === is not "a stricter ==" as in some other languages
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<apeiros_> === in ruby is used for things like case/when and Enumerable#grep
<cirwin> apeiros_: e.g. python has re.match() and re.search()
<cirwin> ruby just has re.search() and you can make the regex only match if it touches the beginning and the end
<Retistic> seems to work
<Retistic> coordinates === /^(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?),(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?)$/
<Retistic> seems to work
<cirwin> Retistic: it's just the same as =~
<cirwin> it's not a complete match
<Retistic> gotcha
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<apeiros_> cirwin: I prefer the way ruby thinks about the problem. whether a string is fully matched by a regex or only a part of the string is, is a property of the regex, not the method IMO.
<Retistic> apeiros_: so you mean i should add \A or \z
<pmros> ^ is the same as \A, isn't it?
<cirwin> apeiros_: sure, I think I agree (having been confused by the distinction between .search and .match before I even started ruby)
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<Retistic> apeiros_: given that i suck at regex, i'm not sure that's much clearer
<cirwin> pmros: ^ is start of line, \A is start of string
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<cirwin> pmros: it's very rare you want to use ^ or $; almost always \A and \z are right
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<cirwin> (e.g. for string field validation, someone can sneak a multiline string through a regex that uses ^ and $)
<pmros> ok, thank you, cirwin
<Retistic> cirwin: /^(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?),(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?)$/ === coor #=> false when i add a letter to the end of coor
<cirwin> Retistic: please use =~, not ===
<cirwin> or people will think you are wierd :p
<apeiros_> Retistic: yes, IMO you should use \A and \z
<Retistic> cirwin: will that match exactly as it appears to?
<Retistic> cirwin: aha ok
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<apeiros_> and if you can't change the regex, create a new one from it like Hanmac suggested: /\A#{regex}\z/
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<Retistic> apeiros_: i can change the regex, so something like: /\A(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?),(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?)\z/
<cirwin> Retistic: looks good
<apeiros_> cirwin: re "someone can sneak a newline into it" - I love those who then go on to say "yeah, but it's a <input type="text", which is single line anyway" >.<
<cirwin> :D
<Retistic> cirwin: and then i use =~ not to look weird
<cirwin> Retistic: yay!
<Retistic> coordinates =~ /\A(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?),(\-?\d+(\.\d+)?)\z/
<apeiros_> you don't need to escape the -
<apeiros_> (it doesn't hurt, though)
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<Retistic> apeiros_: i copied the regex so i hope it's doing what i want :-/
<apeiros_> and if you want it readable, you can decompose it: number = /-?\d+(?:\.\d+)?/; coordinate = /#{number},#{number}/; coordinate_only = /\A#{coordinate}\z/
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<Retistic> apeiros_: does number match a float?
<apeiros_> yes
<apeiros_> optionally negative
<apeiros_> non-scientific notation
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<apeiros_> (does that have a name? o0)
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<Retistic> apeiros_: perfect, don't think so
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<Retistic> apeiros_: coordinate? :-)
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<Retistic> apeiros_: so the backslashes just denote the start and end of a regex then and they can be entered within another regex?
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<apeiros_> // is like "" for strings
<apeiros_> they're the delimiters
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<apeiros_> and #{} is to interpolate, same as in strings too: entity = "world"; "hello #{entity}!" # => "hello world!"
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<Retistic> apeiros_: makes sense, its pretty cool that ruby build that into regexes as well
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<ohcibi> hi i'm using pry and everytime it wants to output something it says undefined method "ai" for <any-class-of-the-object-that-was-involved>
<ohcibi> any idea whats wrong?
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<banister_> ohcibi: because you've changed your Pry.print proc in your .pryrc to use awesome_print, but you no longer have awesome_print installed :)
<ohcibi> this freaky little bastard...
<ohcibi> banister_: thx
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<shevy> this is odd
<shevy> in R, if you do array + 1, all members of that array are incremented by + 1
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<shevy> and array indices start at 1 rather than 0
<shevy> hmmmmm
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<apeiros_> the author of R didn't read dijkstra then
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> it was a funny read, why they use the "<-" for assignment rather than "=" ... because they had a keyboard with such a character, so it was still just one keystroke. today, it's two keystrokes... using <- for assignment feels so strange
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<banister_> all those statistical languages are shit
<banister_> octave is nasty too
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<oqa> hi, does anyone know is there a way to configure OptionParser to ignore unknown options? I'm trying to implement system where main class parses some common options and each sub class has its own parameters (like git)
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<oqa> current OptionParser implementation raises an "InvalidOption: invalid option: -h" when the main class encounters parameters known only to a sub class
<oqa> that's the sensible default, but I'm looking for a way to configure that behaviour
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<shevy> oqa no idea, OptionParser always confused the hell out of me
<shevy> I end up handling ARGV on my own
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<waxjar> i liked Slop
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<yxhuvud> yes. I have a firm opinion that stacktraces like that is totally unreadable.
<kjs> are*
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<kjs> I'v no idea why it's fucked...
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<shevy> kjs looks like some error in active* something
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<shevy> uninitialized constant Devise::Models::Invitable
<shevy> is rails always that fragile?
<shevy> you build a big house made from little needles, pull one needle away and it all comes down
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<burgestrand> shevy: most software is that fragile
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<burgestrand> shevy: all we build is shit upon shit
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<burgestrand> it’s delicate like a big fortress made of pillows
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<shevy> :(
<shevy> I like small programs
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<prime> I'm trying to get passed a mass-assign protected attributes but am stuck. Could someone take a look? https://gist.github.com/4143868
<apeiros_> prime: wrong channel
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<codecaster> Hi all
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<codecaster> I am profiling a method and it seems that right now the bottleneck is Array#each
<codecaster> is that possible?
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<canton7> let's see the method and the profile
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<canton7> i'm betting it's the block passed to #each which is the bottleneck
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<codecaster> I'm not so sure
<codecaster> while s
<codecaster> best = nil
<codecaster> (@nodes - @found).each do |k|
<codecaster> @found << s
<codecaster> relax(s, k, @cost[s][k], 1) if @cost[s][k] && !(@flow[s] && @flow[s][k])
<codecaster> relax(s, k, -1 * @cost[k][s], -1) if @flow[k] && @flow[k][s]
<codecaster> best = k if (!best || @dist[k] < @dist[best])
<codecaster> end
<codecaster> s = best
<codecaster> end
* apeiros_ kicks codecaster
<canton7> use a pastebin please
<codecaster> sry
<codecaster> -_-
<apeiros_> srsly, READ THE TOPIC
<codecaster> I beg for merciness
<codecaster> on ruby-prof output
<apeiros_> so you do a lot of things within an each
<codecaster> the method that takes most time is each "self"
<codecaster> not child
<apeiros_> I'm with canton7 - the code within the each is what's costly
<canton7> let's see the profile
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<codecaster> there you go
<codecaster> actually, this is a dijkstra implementation
<codecaster> I'm not sure if I can improve it by using a priority queue
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<codecaster> this is a port of some C++ code I founf
<Hanmac> codecaster i am right that your code wants to find the max in an array?
<codecaster> found
<codecaster> no, it's more complicated
<codecaster> I could use max for that
<codecaster> it's a min cost flow algorithm
<codecaster> the thing is, the original code didn't use a pqueue
<codecaster> and I think that might improve it
<codecaster> because instead of looping over all nodes, I can just loop over adjancent nodes
<codecaster> But I'm not an expert on this matter at all
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<shevy> hmm is gmail down? I cant login...
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<atno> shevy seems alright
<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> silly opera browser
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<No_se> Hello! I am new to REXML. My problem: I want to somehow merge to xml files and would like to have a certain indent. For example: a newline and 4 spaces for every nested level. Any hints?
<csmrfx> merge xml files?
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<No_se> android translation files. Basically find matching element with same name and replace the original version with the translation
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<No_se> I don't need to stay with REXML and the files are small enough to ignore perfomance
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<banisterfiend> hi, anyone here experienced with rbenv? i want it to install a version of ruby from someone's private repo from a specific branch
<arturaz> install it manually
<arturaz> into ~/.rbenv/rubies/your-version-string
<arturaz> IIRC
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<banisterfiend> arturaz: that easy?
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<arturaz> well, yeah
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<matled> s/rubies/versions/
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<arturaz> yeah, might be it :)
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<shevy> beer
<shevy> matti where is my beer
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<matip> what do you think is the average productivity in Ruby?
<matip> in LOC / hour
<reactormonk> matip, I can write a shitload of LoC/hour if you want to
<matip> come on, you know it doesn't answer my question
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<reactormonk> I can also carefully tend to a single line so it shines in all its beauty and solves half of the problems you'll ever have
<matip> productivity of a normal code written by a normal developer in a normal project in a sunny day
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<reactormonk> see my above statements
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<csmrfx> questions going out the rails into the forest smashing down trees
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<reactormonk> matip, if you still haven't gotten it: sorry, but LoC is a useless measure
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<apeiros_> LoC/h != productivity
<matip> how would you measure it?
<matip> apeiros_
<apeiros_> I wouldn't.
<matip> then you have a problem
<apeiros_> no
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<matip> well, I do
<matip> :P
<apeiros_> you have a problem because you think it was necessary to
<matip> because I'm required to measure it in a way that it makes sense
<matip> for a project I did
<reactormonk> there is none ;-)
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<reactormonk> are you sure you require a measure or one that makes sense? If you just need a measure, invent some new bullshit and make an argument for it.
<apeiros_> matip: if your employers wants LoC, then split every expression out onto its own line
<apeiros_> have fun
<apeiros_> like: x = \n "hello" \n " world"
<apeiros_> 3 LoC for `x = "hello world"`
<matip> reactormonk, lol
<reactormonk> matip, if people are behaving stupid, make subtle fun about it.
<apeiros_> oh, I omitted a \, but well
<apeiros_> coding isn't factory work
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<apeiros_> it's the same bullshit reason for why people still believe in the mythical man month… i.e., if 1 coder solves it in a month, then 10 coders surely will solve it in 3 days
<reactormonk> matip, if you're feeling constructive, go try to convince your boss it's a bad idea.
<apeiros_> it's bullshit and there's no way around.
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<seanstickle> Factory work doesn't scale with the number of people you throw at the problem either.
<seanstickle> Every system has constraints.
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<apeiros_> seanstickle: true, but it comes closer to actually do that
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<seanstickle> apeiros_: not in my experience, but I'll leave the door open on that one
<kapowaz> can anyone recommend a gem for handling asynchronous mail queuing?
<reactormonk> apeiros_, depends on the complexity of work. Coding just tends to need more introductionary work
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<kapowaz> maybe something that uses something like resque ?
<reactormonk> kapowaz, just write the mail into some dir your mail server can use...
<apeiros_> reactormonk: not just introductory
<kapowaz> not sure as that's an option if I'm using heroku
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<reactormonk> kapowaz, got a point there.
<apeiros_> that's the same nonsense as believing in that you could just hand over a spec-sheet and from then on there are no questions open…
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<kapowaz> I see there are various gems that use ActionMailer along with resque (e.g. https://github.com/zapnap/resque_mailer) but I want to use this with a Sinatra app…
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<kapowaz> any reason I couldn't use Resque Mailer if I added ActionMailer to a Sinatra project…?
<reactormonk> sure heroku doesn't provide you with something similar?
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<atmosx> %p= "Λέξεις: <strong>#{@st[0]}</strong>" <-- to get this working in haml do I need to use hashes?
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<atmosx> deos anyone ever listen to any new/tech podcast?
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<seanstickle> Yup
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<atmosx> I'm listening to TWiT, but I see no point in most conversation... it's just opinions...
<seanstickle> Well, it is an opinion show
<seanstickle> So that shouldn't be *too* surprising
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<atmosx> yeah but it's insanely verbose
<atmosx> true
<atmosx> any alternatives?
<atmosx> more concise might be good
<banisterfiend> seanstickle: sup stick
<seanstickle> Hallo banisterfiend
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<tbrock> do you guys know how to get a sinatra app to automatically open up in a browser when run?
<tbrock> i've been trying to run the sinatra app in a thread
<tbrock> then use launchy to open it
<tbrock> but the thread never runs
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<Peter_lee> How would I move 5 spaces over in an array? For example if I have A through Z in an array and want to replace the letter with the 5th next index. So A would be replaced by F and Y by D.
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<banisterfiend> arturaz: that didnt really work (copying to .rbenv/versions)
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<banisterfiend> arturaz: in so far as all the executable files had the wrong shebangs so i had to modify that, but also my gem path is kind of screwey..
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<ZURICHIPAD> What gems and resources can I use to speed up my development of a helpdesk system with chat?
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<shevy> with chat
<shevy> you can look at the cinch bot
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<somazero> #freebsd
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<kapowaz> okay, so I'm tearing my hair out here.
<kapowaz> I've been working on putting together an authentication system using warden and sinatra, with a datamapper backend
<kapowaz> it was working, then I worked on some things in another branch, switched back and now it's broken — in a way I don't understand/can't explain.
<kapowaz> I'd appreciate it if anyone could take a look at the trace and explain it or point me in the right direction?
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<shevy> can't convert nil into Hash
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<shevy> kapowaz, you have a nil somewhere
<kapowaz> so I figured.
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<kapowaz> but the trace doesn't contain any lines referring to my code — only stuff from within rack
<kapowaz> I'm guessing it's because Warden requires you to provide a Failure class
<shevy> the first thing to ask is - is this nil your fault or the fault of one of the apps used there
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<shevy> "file: xss_header.rb location: merge line: 23"
<shevy> what program outputs this?
<shevy> I'd grep the source, then put in some "pp" there
<kapowaz> /Users/bdarlow/.rbenv/versions/1.9.3-p194/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/rack-protection-1.2.0/lib/rack/protection/xss_header.rb i
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<kapowaz> so it's from within rack
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<kapowaz> okay, so I get where it's coming from now. It's the fail method of the Failure class.
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<x82_nicole> Can someone point me to video tutorials that explain the concepts of OOP? I've been trying to find some decent ones on YouTube, but they're all terrible. A lot of them use such heavy accents, are the quality is abysmal.
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<kapowaz> x82_nicole: youtube videos probably aren't a good place to start with that topic
<kapowaz> by which I mean video tutorials in general.
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<x82_nicole> Hmm, okay. I watched the MIT ones, but he lost me on memory pointers. -_-
<x82_nicole> Perhaps an article?
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<kapowaz> x82_nicole: what language was he talking about? C++?
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<kapowaz> pointers aren't an integral part of learning OOP.
<x82_nicole> It was Python :p
<kapowaz> Python has pointers? That I didn't know.
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<kapowaz> I'm probably not a good one to answer your question though, I'm sorry to say.
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<x82_nicole> It's alright, thanks for trying, hah(:
<No_se> x82_nicole: I can't suggest specific videos, but I would recomment some texts in your native language
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<No_se> The OOP concept is not that fancy, but you probably won't get it just by watching a video
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<kapowaz> First time I read about OOP was about 18 years ago, in a book about Pascal. The metaphor they used was about real world objects like a chair or a desk, which have properties (how many legs, material they're made out of) and methods (you can sit on one, serve dinner on it etc.)
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<kapowaz> I always found that kind of analogy helpful as a basis
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<atmosx> x82_nicole: maybe getting a book will help
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<tsou> kapowaz: i find this analogy bad, cause it's not the chair nor the table that have the functionality. From the point of view you are describing, a functional approach seems more appropriate.. but that's a matter of taste, of course..
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<burgestrand> Dog and barking always confused me.
<kapowaz> it's not a perfect analogy. I'm sure there are better ones that tie it all together neatly.
<atmosx> the diff is that in OOP you get items and then decide what to do with them. in procedural you have a specific item for a specific task... that's about it with all the bells and whistles but if you don't write a couple of classes with objects yu won't understand
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<kapowaz> but it always helped me understand it better.
<atmosx> there's a good example tha deals with two programmers approaching a simple calc task in my ruby manual but I'm too bored to reproduce it now...
<atmosx> it explains the difference thoroughly, has also code examples (both in ruby but you get the point)
<seanstickle> Domain Driven Design is a good topic to read on if you want to see how OO is well-used in practice.
<seanstickle> And, basically, ignore inheritance.
<seanstickle> All the beginner books talk about it, and it's very often a bad idea.
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<atmosx> it's not hard concept
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<atmosx> I'm amateur programmer and I still don't understand many basic things in ruby but these topics are easy
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<shevy> atmosx I fail at mutex and data in shared threads
<shevy> what I dont like in inheritance is that it is all kept in line
<shevy> class Weapon -> class Sword
<shevy> but what about the jedi swords
<shevy> they are like laser weapons as well!
<seanstickle> Basically, don't use inheritance.
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<shevy> sad but true :(
<seanstickle> Not sad.
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<seanstickle> It's a bad fit for most things.
<seanstickle> Composition is the better thing.
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<canton7> The main use I've had out of inheritance is boxing/unboxing in strongly-typed languages
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<freezway> wow there are no working id3 libraries for ruby 1.9.x
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<freezway> tilo's crashes on the require line
<freezway> id3tag is way out of date
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<freezway> and taglib doesnt work with 1.9.x
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