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<\13k>
catphish: well, one point against it would be that you had to come down here ask where to find the response headers hehehe. docs are bad, api is clumsy, but nothing strictly wrong with it
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<catphish>
the api does seem a bit filled with redundancy which is a bit clumsy
<catphish>
but it works well and in fairness the docs would have been ok if i'd read them properly
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<catphish>
those other libraries seem rest oriented so they probably have orm i don't need
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<catphish>
i'll take a look some time but my current app is written now :)
<catphish>
thanks anyway
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<kevingranade>
Trying to run Ward Cunningham's "Smallest Federated Wiki" according to the instructions at https://github.com/WardCunningham/Smallest-Federated-Wiki/wiki/Hosting-and-Installation-Guide I followed all the instructions to run it as a rails app launched with passenger from apache, I get this error Exception Gem::LoadError in PhusionPassenger::Rack::ApplicationSpawner (You have already activated rack 1.3.5, but your Gemfile requires rack
<kevingranade>
1.4.1. Using bundle exec may solve this.) (process 25412, thread #<Thread:0x0000000117db20>): My Google-fu gets me the answer, "You should be invoking the app with 'bundle exec'", but where in the pile of dependencies do I tell passenger, ruby, rvm, etc to invoke using "bundle exec"?
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<kevingranade>
also, if I do "gem list" it gives me one list of gems (not matching the dependencies of the app), and if I invoke "bundle exec gem list" it lists the gems that are the app dependencies
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<chriskk>
kevingranade:
<chriskk>
gem list usually dumps out a list of gems installed system wide
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<chriskk>
bundle exec gem list run inside of a project folder
<chriskk>
will list the installed gems of that particular project
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<kevingranade>
right, it seems that the correct gems are installed, but when apache invokes ruby, it's not using bundle, so it's using the system gems instead of the project gems
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<minijupe>
how do I install a gem and all of it's dependencies
<minijupe>
?
<kevingranade>
I think I could work around this by installing the appropriate gems system-wide, but FWIU that's the wrong way to do it
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<kevingranade>
also I'd like to report back to the project if their "get off the ground quick" instructions need tweaking
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<chriskk>
did you add the lines to apache2.conf?
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<chriskk>
of which ruby to run?
<kevingranade>
yes, adjusted for the home directory
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<kevingranade>
I had gotten as far as trying to adjust the wrapper script to invoke bundle exec, but that didn't seem to work
<minijupe>
gem install rails' didn't seem to install all rails dependencies into my rvm gemset => Could not find thor. What am I missing. I also tried the --include-dependecies but was told that was the default....
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<kevingranade>
oh, passenger calls rack, not ruby, if I'm reading the backtrace correctly, will pastebin
<wrapids>
I'm thinking about learning and using ruby in a fairly large project I'm about to start up with a group of developers. We are all students, and all currently employed doing various aspects of web development in php. I'm develop for a large company with Magento and the zend framework, he has experience with this framework as well but does mostly bug fixes and stuff at his current job. I am trying to decide which would be most beneficial. Rub
<wrapids>
y or php. I know it's 'good' to know a few languages, but would it really be feasible to pick up ruby for a large project without having ever used it?
<wrapids>
I* develop
<Quadlex>
wrapids: Everything is feasible if you allow for mistakes and slowdowns
<wrapids>
I suppose this question might actually be better suited for ror
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<Quadlex>
wrapids: Your first (few) rails applications might all SUCK
<stephenjudkins>
wrapids: there is no reason to start any new application in PHP
<Quadlex>
If it's OK that the code isn't "Best practice", then I'd say do it
<Quadlex>
As long as the scope holders know that you might be slower
<stephenjudkins>
"a good carpenter doesn't blame his tools", blah blah blah etc, but PHP is a broken, shoddy tool.
<wrapids>
Quadlex, It is and isn't. We aren't going to be cutting any corners with it and understand that we'll have to do extensive research.
<stephenjudkins>
you can build a nice house with broken tools, and you can build a shitty house with nice tools.
<wrapids>
stephenjudkins, Complain about php all you'd like, it's not beneficial to my current employmentn to be studying php, while building a project in the zend framework would be.
<wrapids>
to be studying ruby*
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<Quadlex>
wrapids: Is the new project a work project?
<stephenjudkins>
ok, do what you want: continue being marginally more productive at your current job, at the expense of your long-term productivity at whatever jobs you get in the future.
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<Quadlex>
wrapids: Is it open source?
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<wrapids>
Quadlex, Undecided. We know the project guidelines, goals and the majority of functionality that we are planning for. We do not know if we'd like to do open or closed source however.
<wrapids>
Quadlex, It ultimately depends on the finished quality of the project.
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<Quadlex>
wrapids: Who is it for? A non profit? Is it a pet project?
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<wrapids>
Quadlex, pet project I suppose.
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<wrapids>
As a fallback it will look nice in a portfolio
<wrapids>
I do have an argument for Ruby, in that I don't want to be a web developer per se.
<Quadlex>
wrapids: Then do it in whatever you want
<Quadlex>
Ruby is a different paradigm to PHP
<Quadlex>
It will make you a better programmer if you pick it up in the way it's meant to be written
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<wrapids>
Quadlex, For the sake of building a portfolio then, if that's all this turns out to be useful for. Would you recommend showing that I'm capable of managing/desiginging/developing large projects in multiple languages, or that I accel at php. Actually just asking that makes it sound obvious.
<Quadlex>
Glad to help:P
<Quadlex>
My personal commercial value comes from quickly picking stuff up
<Quadlex>
Picking apart old projects
<Quadlex>
Learning how they tick, and fixing them
<Quadlex>
I discuss that in my cover letters and last application round had about a 70% hitrate
<wrapids>
Mine is well... undecided at this point. My resume consists of being thrown violently into Magento development for a company with shoddy tools and outdated software.
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<wrapids>
You'd probably be able to answer this, are there any e-commerce frameworks built in ruby?
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<wrapids>
such as joomla;/magento
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<wrapids>
Answered my question
<wrapids>
Thankfs for the help running a little late
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<kevingranade>
crap, tried just doing "bundle install" instead of "bundle install --deployment", and it installed to vendor/bundle anyway...
<kevingranade>
do I just need to manually install the dependencies with gem at this point?
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<Quadlex>
wrapids: I don't know of any but I'm almost certain there are
<Quadlex>
wrapids: try searching rubygem.org
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<kevingra`>
durrr.... ok it's working now chriskk had the solution, just gem install rack -v 1.4.1
<jparkton>
what is the difference between ruby and ruby on rails
<Quadlex>
jparkton: Ruby is a programming language
<Quadlex>
jparkton: Ruby on Rails is a web application framework for/in ruby
<jparkton>
ohhhh
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<jparkton>
makes sense
<Quadlex>
jparkton: It's very opinionated and favors convention over configuration
<jparkton>
is it similar to Java/Javascript?
<Quadlex>
jparkton: ...those things aren't related
<jparkton>
right
<chriskk>
kevingra`: :-)
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<chriskk>
jparkton: lol, nope
<jparkton>
so is the relationship between ruby and ruby on rails similar as in ther are yet are not related?
<chriskk>
jparkton: those are both languages
<Quadlex>
Ruby on Rails is written in and for ruby
<mdszy>
jparkton: Rails is not a language. Ruby is.
<jparkton>
oh so ruby on rails is ruby
<mdszy>
jparkton: Rails is a framework.
<Quadlex>
It is not a language
<jparkton>
lol
<mdszy>
jparkton: Rails is just using Ruby for making web stuff.
* jparkton
derps
<Quadlex>
Are you a developer at the moment jparkton?
<Quadlex>
What language?
<jparkton>
Quadlex, Java but not accomplished by any means my Perl/Python however are better
<jparkton>
as is my php/sql
<chriskk>
so it's like PHP and CakePHP
<jparkton>
ohh well that makes sense
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<jparkton>
so I am going to be coding in eclipse and want to hang in here to act like a total newb
<Quadlex>
jparkton: Ruby is to Rails what Java is to Spring
<jparkton>
is that agreeable?
<jparkton>
Quadlex, LOL
<chriskk>
me likes Sublime Text 2 personally
<jparkton>
oh
<chriskk>
Eclipse is heavy
<jparkton>
very true
* ggreer
pours some malt liquor on the curb for his homie textmate :(
<jparkton>
actually I much prefer vim but a lot of places want me to know eclipse for some unknown reason other than they are Windows "Professionals"
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<jparkton>
and btw vim > emacs
<jparkton>
:P
<jparkton>
insert rage here
<chriskk>
yea, if you're on Windows, then you need real "Professional" tools, so go with notepad
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<fowl>
because there's no vim for windows right
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<fowl>
sillyheads
<oddmunds>
avoid notepad, notepad is not good with newlines
<elvis4526>
sjork: Stop or the consequences will never be the same
<jparkton>
lol
<sjork>
THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION
<elvis4526>
Continue your art please.
<fowl>
sjork, nope
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<elvis4526>
sjork: What is your question? I'm very experienced in ruby, I'll make my best to help you
<elvis4526>
lol
<sjork>
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<elvis4526>
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<thomas>
!ops
<jparkton>
sjork, Ruby has no Audio Spectrum Analyzer for Sound Card Output
<sjork>
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<thomas>
sjork: shut up
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<jparkton>
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<sjork>
I'm talking about windows
<elvis4526>
How do you do this?
<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<jparkton>
sjork, Windows has no Audio Spectrum Analyzer for Sound Card Output
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<AlbireoX>
ignore sjork
<AlbireoX>
oops
<jparkton>
sjork, Linux has no Audio Spectrum Analyzer for Sound Card Output
<sjork>
Yes it does... there is one built into Total Recorder
<elvis4526>
No this isn't great sjork it's not beautiful as the previous one. Keep up the good job please.
<fowl>
the really amazing thing is freenode has no flood control
<jparkton>
thats not windows dumbfuck
<jparkton>
thats a program
<sjork>
How do you wreck liss me. Those fuckin' farts. Wonter... a cloody a millickal bath.
<jparkton>
go be derpy somewhere else
<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<elvis4526>
No
<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<elvis4526>
Do ASCCI art again
<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<AlbireoX>
is he a bot?
<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
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<sjork>
Shligga ligga millik hole Shligga ligga millik hole regamakio mathjul hah there Just like in Bart Simpson the Magazine! Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! menario mibs Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin slujjal jeggy moran magomorph baleener
<sjork>
I spell it throwt, you spell it throat, the real way to spell it is throwt throwt THROWT! Hux a mex a lig dwarf dudikolan mail street. Rella manae, Rella Manae, Rye dut duh! I'm living on budgy placky street. Reggal dee deck shweener Hicker trellalicker
<sjork>
What part of that doesn't make sense to you robo I'm rang dang smacking it up to the reck a heek a horn drom. Rag agg big chacka lo datey fifty. Sniggital maggal Shelly a jelly a jew lillaputan meglamarian necks booga man Rejja mella mic jeggal Baika looka reg tag
<sjork>
Throat a pelly proat raick axe. It doesn't eat muggo whip. It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. Where's songy brother? Where's spongy brother? Jellanie mic flyer. Paloody pluck bag ack. Paloody pluck bag ack.
<JackHind>
how do you turn this guy off?
<sjork>
Whyn you call it throat throwt. I'm a baffy hoe. Flivvy a niv von neffran. Purity and prudence I'm suing for diaper damage. Scragg a billy blunk rake rast eye heeker, playmus guy I don't know what a rubbbity dabby is. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole.
<sjork>
Arthie shlellijge. Arthie shlellidge. Talking about a bee turning into a guano root. today I'm doing pasta, i crumble it and pan fry it. Fuckin frosty. david hippa lappa pomprin. Is anyone here a hemp hole? Yeah, well shnijjy mc millicker: i know billy knalavolitz.
<sjork>
The Baby Faced Assassin pond. yrummin! Shmega melanie goetz I'm smacking it up to the electrify beam, smacking it to the galactify beam! Smackin the penis with the erectify beam! When will another green skroan the horrified scream
<AlbireoX>
JackHind: /ignore sjork
<fowl>
JackHind, /ignore sj26
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<sjork>
rubbbity dag daggy dib dib, daggy daggy dib dib, daggy daggy diggy diggy dib, throwt a welly wheel wall Reppity shcrep bam bam rep rep paranep Shnubbity shnib up bam bam Givin' me twice, i a molst a meeka pleck. Givin' me twice, a molst a meeka pleck.
<sjork>
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<sjork>
Shmelly a mellac. Cloaky active camoflauge mail bow Warez into a whoop coup daddy deam, I filed a lawsuit with G.L.E.A.M. Dag a ricka bleg nagg. Richel reprezhnik rally mic hoe whip.
<sjork>
fucking ass licking piss sucking cunt. Threnthie oh pod throonis Tragallellah. bweeey eeeiw! bweeeeey ail! shnib polmans mahhal wourney Track a mix a meg norge
<sjork>
Flathican fellow street. Mc Grellae Mc Regegg. Prag a cuckian bag of gunk. Duh nuh nihh nuh farty milligers. Par boockalie twistie taiter. Tittly spoof bee Trellie oh dabble Antenna rethal Fucky daddy dicky Fucky daddy dicky
<sjork>
Chucka lucka ling to the chucka looka lat, man can't be banned! Dee oh doing! Chili box sand reggat. Crackity raggity ann shaggy rab rabble smiley oh diley oh reggal na meck transhole In a tough manner pung dungh chicka licka bang dad. Guess what you smartie millickan jallefnaord. Spend rellik maholmes.
<elvis4526>
I love you sjork
<sjork>
Rudda boom boom dugging. My name is jameel my name's jamaan. Take this you fuckin' brack stab from buck hole. Brag a cuck of bintorns. I had to have jalooch to have breakfast. Trug a leck leg hole. Tellah mef raf. Trukkle trella lickle mazzle trag. Shab shab skrellix magellix
<sjork>
Roonah bucky blay lee! Roonah bucky blay lee! An aggle dee dak beyond the premier. switch up to a wedge pluckie A jecka looch reft round! poochin maleggal Drek a lek meek foamie. shlick a jig jeffjob A jella jitch manifest Horkin malurgis hoarde. prebelally mobijowrist.
<sjork>
Fartily gas farts on someone's jacket. Hicka low daggal. Manil hill the jiller. Reet dih doo deh dih, reet deh doo duh. dendridic millimorph cardackio cleptio maggle Jackintoshy zillword. Just another macgasm trexie o mario bubble. I had to have a mummified wheat bread.
<sjork>
Slaggy McNelly O-Loop. Hillie Millie. Mijujik calej loft, shweener screlly mellamanorf. The plux to the plack a leak a lithio meth galactical terrial tuesday. Ploody loon, back a toon! ron ton a jelly a shawn. Herd mah thuh fah thuh. Jeggal mig ella cracker. trellamanorf mick hick hole
<sjork>
Rump tump tiddle doo, rump dump damn. Farbooky twistie taiter. Farbooky twistie oh plox. jickellastrip shtiffy Trellie oh dabble Sabba7kom allah bilkhair ya rawafeth 3ash men shafek. 3alaikom essalam mawlana. 9eqeleyya kaanat men madresat Averroes. plan dan duckalin jee uhst waistband
<sjork>
Sparra kitha mellon hoh snail bookanees. Pucka hoonkin dick ass waste. Triclapian transcripts. Are you a jalellaputian? Arthie midge millik. See that is why I keep going "galactico trallie o-reggal" Cuckin twanbastin wigwams shmagga miggal smell-it syllabalistic macro. Oh-rellage oh ram
<sjork>
Trellik mic jelliger. Throwty a pellage plex. Spigga McGregor peggly oh dabble Hicky trellalick. You stupid pudgy fucker. Sneqqal segagal. Purital laggy oh baggal. Bucka broon broom shella muluk mic niqqer. Rooshta shpella. Plocky of pleckal bag a cuck of frin torns
<sjork>
Wa Alikum salam wa rehmatullah e wa barakat. Tarka dellalie dool. Mig iff raheg hord. Raga nahoolie jeg narf. Hellage rellage o-ram well to do it pollis Scribble dee babble. Mezzle ma norf. Praggity no maddak Duck a ween wark. You shpuffy shpook ma leggin don't be such a terrorisdt.
<sjork>
Hedgy McPillik. Hocka licka meals on weals. Batman, batware, guess who could be in the next Batman movie? It could be you! Galactical tactical earns the hard way. Maggie Mig mellijopod. trar ga moogly a mix traeger Puh reb deb dejjer. fuck jalafi jalive.
<AlbireoX>
is he a bot or wat?
<sjork>
Leepadipa did away. lovely women spit things. shnep a leppie loon. smellagajee smellamanew. Fruggity diggty! Scrunny maloo lef heel hole shlody shlicka rabbits Galactical tactical plack ass. Pawikki scrap runa mallilligram. pick tatots. Conifanible pluckin. Boom bam shpaghetti monk.
<sjork>
Sum bum parlacktical barthy backthickal. partrusially prtregally reggal megagal. You fuckin roody poot noink. Smullah jah litch jitch runhole. Shit up you bad ass. Is anyone here a rubbbity deaf nard. Sniggital wathal whip. Thylacoleo carnifex for a pet, hugga ghigga micomprin. Don't fuck with my restaurant!
<sjork>
Truggity reg up rim dum, a spoon contacts the kinigigal concern. trust no one, tiger miller Michelle and jantsy with a banshee! pasa wuh thuh fail the jookified coin. Oh my gum! Oh my gum! It's oh ho ho he's here! Malika joola jalegnorf. Malika joola jalegnorf. Heggal the munch tunch taste rins.
<sjork>
Prestegious milla ma hoe. Panny meffa lick waifers. Malorf jin, jalallally jin, screggat mo meggat mo methalithal lowdown. It's oh ho ho she's here! Has anyone here ever been to the bastard zones? Shmeggal dee mech eck golms. Boon toon underwear, boon town.
<sjork>
Veronika, days of joy, happy time for girls and boys. Fuggle dee daggle. Ploody pluck a loon, baby tunes. Hella mah nor. Snuggity rabbity pit street. Hackel meal McZhellikehr. Wooh wee! spagg midge mellot. Jello mic tatum. Trucka looger legga baby. martial mic reg egg trans mestrials
<sjork>
Mella Midge Mister Pluggity ricking. Rab trab traisies. fruggity hesterani knellect. Rumpin dumpin dighole. Rumpin Dumpin durds. Barvis joon a hear a harvey snards. Jellis mellis Trelalix twixt nick davey. Rawl eenf rurst o plast. Rella mahole rick.
<sjork>
Scrunny mit tack pick jack. I'm talkin bout plucky PLUCKIE pluckie o'hare. withers ground ring air. parchookalie buckle, weeh eeh. pluckily boosier bael regget ramajot. bartoofteein regleg. Ret round hujamima bound. Tickle me timbers. Farg duddly uck uck darg marg. Hosh a mosh a luke a leek a leggin! Audacity of it all, you feel small
<sjork>
Clarbudgy cabujjin, Carblinkin carblastan carbleggegg. Are bastion you jastuin. We're all for the Kardassians who lost the war against the Federation, don't you tell worf we need another ration. Fargleb skeeol skowl all bleb. carmattick raticular pledge mahole heel. Mettick marial mahoney blastokist
<sjork>
Shmartooty boots breath. Rennimino rick taid. Renniminnow rick taid. Carbloochy bad ass. Renna ma nick patrol. A chucka oo maow maow, chucka oo maow maow, a chucka oo mow maow, chucka oo maow maow. Panta hoasta leeka tolweth hade. Rum dump dump digalagger.
<sjork>
Cannabalism regamalan. Bardacian bull-horne mooses aren't in this quadrant of the galaxy. Playin' Star Trek Online cause it's free to play, just like All Points Bulletin: Reloaded and Final Fantasy XIV. Eee dah climp lah plocky ug tug tech.
<sjork>
I went out with twenty of those rebbity jellickers. we're all midge millickers. Puh reb deb dejjer. Galactical tactical plack ass. Rump tump tiddle doo, rump dump damn. Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin. Reggal dee deck shweener. It doesn't eat muggo whip.
<sjork>
It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. maggity von heffrin Shtooty mic blackened. Shooty hick black and pick tatots. hugga ghigga micomprin. Don't fuck with my restaurant! Truggity reg up rim dum. a spoon contacts the kinigigal concern. trust no one, tiger miller.
<sjork>
Michelle and jantsy with a banshee. prebelally mobijowrist. Fartily gas farts on someone's jacket. Where's spongy brother. eye heeker playmus guy. Helly midge mushkin. Rumina mee drowls wall width.
<sjork>
I've got your mother's pussy juice bottled, I sell it out of my house
<sjork>
S.ll.a.g.g.y mc pit street. Hustler hova heeva Chick ova heeva ova heeva. Braxalarian blalalxrals. snuggity rab rab rabbits. Snuggies aren't selling anymore. most people don't know what a "snuggie" is. Halla micka wheel wyaujtkchtpt.
<sjork>
Spaqqa miffa liffa leggin. Terry baloris trickaleggal. Sequester mlajjap eastro diz hamta wan ta licka holmus preed. Scatty picka loon dunes. Hoakalin McGregoar. Roddy McFlyer. Hillie Midge Millik! Arfie McChaffer Chickababy
<sjork>
Milla jalaoft jitch breakfast Peef pond pallooleol babble. I had to have sex in diapers! I HAD TO HAVE SEX IN DIAPERS! diaper sniper days, everyone knows about sex. it pays when my nickname used to be snake.
<sjork>
Puritalin baggy of gunk. my name's not tristan it's rastan. rallin for null like a holdy hook black ann. Tiny tim, dick ass whim. Shaloody shlock braze made. Pullilcoch dravinarial balactal guarns.
<sjork>
Albatross doog ee rook rack egg. Wanny manilnorf traggat muh hilli hole back street pormande usft vadinal deena. sex with a shoogie look laygie. Zellamanorf worf wallow. isn't that up the street?
<drizz>
nah, pretty sure a bot would be a tad wiser
<sjork>
Shlagg lagg McNellanorf. I'm a jalooch jooch jeggal jalalicker. Tricky ass jillickers. Dev dev developers and wheat. /jalack a mic taxle\ juki al juba nas wat eerie fun, jest maleel oo had, lala in mackmod. Fifty tramps.
<sjork>
Mister Doofie's diapers. Pahole hell wack pahole hell paiper. jegga rilla ma jorf. plack a pleek meladromic mezzistove tricky the band needs a tan no one cares about care bears eatch mizzle tag the mazer milojprafft malidge praft
<sjork>
Mahole hack mellow the wiper. Milla janil. plex kuying flying trev plegs. Jaloffin Jalillobie. I'm in your cement. Parudgy rij jelellolebob. blanky rich fandestriovon. Galaxio trabble. Hef a heavy hompfrin pole. Jalooshitty scrooch
<sjork>
I've got more track ass gangsta shit than you could ever come up with.
<sjork>
Calej loft ridge muh gorrie mack. Citaldroff metahynoon rickardo Pren pen parillo. nargofio gaxal fargothik well wheaty exiliant the meeky Pargrether the doplin underniner jockliship striffy Pallatoonie prudence palaxoiriot. Putty cad adt red et snooper dooper
<sjork>
Margy mixalef a lig dwarf. We're talking about real life gellairio sects here. Rang brang brelladge maneer. Turtikle jellejej galaxial protowaxial blove ass ween thiggle mannella muh norf. Partruzhion kopuxtin here we work at emeny bes baas tookany benna bastard bookanees.
<jparkton>
this must be why they allow weed in Amsterday
<sjork>
Maluj slij jalilahole. Kanga tilla to pleck. Hajjamellion morph clepicon. Giffy maga drellapator texel. Angellico padge prella rarian plarian reggal baddle. Pash pa helican, padge wathfond wallow maneel. Midge muh jih murathum.
<sjork>
Isopolavial interface. Four times the square root of the intermix ratio. Uglefrin. No comment. Throat a pelly rouch a pellax. Belchers bonans Pledge pledgy teddeliton. Fusing petons with jekeley hoe whip. Prellej whip masty snacker. Prestige rella hoe with buffo whoops.
<sjork>
Duvida tess miss ravakajeerion. Parjoonie a gone rufita snaftal. Hasons honishers pargonial vell of the whip Puck a toony twayster. Hella mikcrest of a momajamish yearns to the mucky twayster ess pee ain ein prepare for launch rut dat gat mabah marron. Pargosy man jellots maran. Deemed honshman
<sjork>
Mella mic toadis. Jempy karbozilajz. Packrestial poolio payil. Pug giga ran, pugogga rist, pagegga wreth. Ant beyond my cheeves. I'm the son of god, I'm the son of man. Parhexial reggal martillago meg regs. Shlug shluh liggeran rapsh nazh. Chunnif mahayver Sonic shaffer
<sjork>
Hom jaref shpoot like a shpanker. Drelek meek mekhomie hahnalillalie hej magellomie moog scriggat the rotch def fohkood. Helledge ah-rood! Helladge hick death Twiddle ee lit amamo ahamo. Ledgy pledge ih ma thelicroth. So king haneez, praise kinga knees. Seminole. Sermon off.
<sjork>
Hump dip a dub, I've got the force you're a scrub... Hump dip a dub, you're being forced as a scrub. Get some cum from sex and make pancakes. Haffa jarem powder mixed in with semen. Haffa jarem like a shpoodie shpoot spanker
<jparkton>
to tollerate the newbs
<sjork>
Scrella malorf wheel wall. Canethnical skrothaj. Partans ass wheel. Partent mohzhoost. Pins jumps with knifer knaves. Ruv div dah vompfin hompfin! Ruv duvivida momfin homfin.
<sjork>
Rella cavity mah heel hole. 0helej mah heel hole. Scrak a cracky MC Mellej Geeky a man smellej. Sniggity up dagger waath. Poh tain master peen hole. Pagamarian spagamagelleck. The micro ween. Hogalagarin meffrin.
<sjork>
Huv divva hompfin stompfin. Naw Knawl squezzel lezzel lah doo dee dooooooooooo. Commander McJelleker. Jeckalie jooch. Naw squezzel naw dee dway knoth! I'm thinking about partankiyan.
<sjork>
Hub dave dellavonathzhal seeky selliky non vohanssen. Shmellik o daggal. rarny trastalarian po tranamonathal. Tranamoe lathah mo miggaliggal. Larry plellamonathal.
<sjork>
Tego plellio plaxal. The paxans. The Betazed. The piss on a ween ward. The megropack. Poluka maxan high chefner. Picard to Gamma Aridon! Gamma Arridon here!
<sjork>
Jello scrap baroom of hushkin Glorily al thrushin Reen ron pliggita plaggity. Munchala cleek a hogrin meffrin. Trallawin trillicker. Tellamarial threlliol threck. 0
<sjork>
Am an schillibolist a fillibolist ba wack. Wrench a doof a deef a dumpfing. Put down the pacifier. Put a pin cushion under someone's foot. Bam ban can't ban cannablist baleivar.
<sjork>
Sammy slick as lots of pep I'm feeding on my dumper daves. Krempy mella kamek Hippa tra la the to pump all weevil. Wavity Indenture the adventure char plaggy o maxal
<sjork>
Pitin footmahoun meglal parry pleggalomrek wrel dukith rallah rallakef rallaketh my na't is keih keith juba dooki dooki layber lumber boned dry
<sjork>
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<sjork>
Slick a la rig. Rillie ma rej relleketh chumpin up to sars I wonder what it would be like to go up thayer, Pouin dub meebilow mobs. Baleent ass blub. Mego meerio mibs.
<sjork>
Allergic to wheat bread! Chigga loah dee cheagy Konifiable plunkin. Exipalgial marplaxal proodin without a preen gog a romy a reffrin trexxaleck elprher oxrimorinder. mining for marria muns.
<sjork>
Fleg a deggy a nefran. Ikaolapu bressnog. Tivit xix toag plix. chapter of relekesh Ralph a billy blaylee! Renna puh taah tee twixter. Rezamaloo salt, jedda ma loo salt school. Skant skade.
<Musfuut>
This is not valid ruby code, this will not run! Your ruby code is horrible sjork and you should be ashamed!
<sjork>
Ralla glooky glarg mech. Trec Trek Trellaleck! Maggithied pie. Plaxy jallab ro gallicher. Jallacrith joe jallallicker. Fram from a vellon piece. Plaxie plarillaralobe chaser.
<sjork>
There aren't many worlds left to explore. We all get hooked on World of Warcraft, but then we're bored! Better off playing Phantasy Star Universe or Runes of Magic I'd say
<sjork>
Repalep tep tarep. Pruda pila peran palmus pran. Pruda pila perin palmus pran. Squeej rellaj. Breath width
<sjork>
Traglamarian brexwith. It's just another day without meatballs. Scrary o chasms doaper dave. Reen lin huh rin holy have. Maloo polaty plegidteftytedddleton. Billy knalavolitz i survived hershowicz. Goan gearing my groon. Groan rearing my grouch nards.
<sjork>
Trexel mairio babble. Boon daddy booty blalocks. Aren't going to quit? Tralalelly oh gregs! Truck ack paragontquin. Tranx gralallellian grouping. Berry berry narry nas, barry hoo, barry bas. AH AH AH AH rah rah rah rah rudda deh nah doo doo, boom bood a boot dood.
<sjork>
Trally glally jrehr lallaf. Married berry berry nas, harry boon, nanner bas. Ahf! Ahf! Ahf! Ahf! Layer praxool! So many back to schools. I'm rapier. I'm gonna rape her. Some artsy fartsy kind of stuff. You should write a book about preventing farting. A guide to avoiding farting.
<sjork>
Gore gearning my krans. Feela fool lo expanse. Til my bed med hende Mars. Shink a dink of dozens. Larly ballellacraft. Rump raiders, ass bandits, and cheese nitwits.
<sjork>
Trarly clookly bagel! Maneerial map. Rar gooky gookky barg ak! Ralph billy balf billy Larly laprejlarin. Ralph billy balf billy Larly laprejlarin. Rellamalloo trej nords. I'm picking my needles.
<sjork>
Olegvranseef van vrans a la lan. Rugga reg trella la meck. Plood a luck a loody loody poon. Plood a luck a lady. Ifterty toujolity dzhamellegsh.
<elvis4526>
*Cough*
xscc has quit [Client Quit]
<sjork>
Olegvranseef van vrans a la lan. Rugga reg trella la meck. Plood a luck a loody loody poon. Ifterty toujolity dzhamellegsh.
<sjork>
To the black man watching well it isn't true! Nice rice big and black, jail times a jookie rhymer black is black. A JOOKIE MIMER!
<sjork>
I can't siffy siffy splain it. Siffy siffy xplain it! Jal jol jalah lalah larry smith johnson! Hickalikaliggal to the marrionoddal. Hickapleekaploggy marriodettal. Shlagalarry-o dettal.
<sjork>
Flagalary difty david. Chikapleekaplocky puararan blocky bag of bunk. Aurstralian frost. Huff puff ruff uff. Eerie hire playmus gay. STOP THAT ROACH! Roachalarian thregnargs
<sjork>
Chixaplerean tarood duelis. Hunk and dunk of dignorgs. throtaparry lellabrass. Throwtaparallelly roachapralaxx
<sjork>
Shlallie a loon to the hep t3p poons. Ragularian Beetle snuff. Rump tastin teddy grahams.
<sjork>
Chag a lelly awl praxal. Ragrahrary ro jub. Huck a lick a loon, baby tunes. Huck a lick a boon toon. Zhar blaly ograxal. Traritectorial blecx. Shlollie-o laxal.
<elvis4526>
tryruby is stuck... -_-
<sjork>
Just like the ragulariabuub It's the sintani of tantani tatit tatus We look like satanus plaxuis presiduous praxans gralaxion bhratchan
<jparkton>
such tom follery
<sjork>
Gahf! Gahf! Farting.
<sjork>
Boom bam badda bing bog bonk. Harsha trashian helegor skrapple. Shlitty shaddy shpageddi in a street cart. Virtual dampers throw with trouble. 1 MHz chips bust your bubble.
<jparkton>
lol
<sjork>
Megamarian magapaxle. Pickalicka loon. Potato juice. Pebble jitch transplanckyourism Upper vica vundowns. Don't you jelelly jallaaf my terrified tellers. One of those tellarian elvhorns.
<sjork>
Crab rab jalilickers Shoopha faily blocx nix Qasat Treggy a laxel terroritollimus racx doawn. Black down tround.
<sjork>
Picka licka loon picka tradey toons. I'm almost there. Ee buff DAY I'd say! I'm a mmr mmr I'm a ellise viel tpvice.
<sjork>
The baffy hoes where I don't know. The thunder wear it's called ballow boe. Pecka chicka tragalah laah tic pam pic beetle bum
<sjork>
Shuckin like a jack ass, my proto's baister I'm feelin clean, some jello whip and some chick'n cream. Another scene release by CHiCNCREAM. McShleggegg
<sjork>
Canker pegger. Pluck a loon paddy poon prunes. Rum biddy bada boom, boom! Rum biddy bada boom, boom!
<sjork>
Ruggity dugging. I'm thinkin' about rump damns, tricka licka lay-day! Hold up, wait a minute, let guy smiley come to rump roast. While we playin' it's totally not toast. Come on everyone, it's on Friday's news!
<sjork>
A Romulan Praetor, a masterbator, rih dih deh doo! Super guy! Aarfie McShmelegg to the rescue! Paddy poon prunes. han wantifinuhl scroons. Arthur McGreggegg
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<sjork>
Rep trep tricka-lork to the rup tup tays. Shiddy daddy ding bag. Ron terrier rat! Rond badaag rig. Ron a trary ole meh! Rum baddad rig.
<sjork>
Aah well, hep tep rains again. Sara tara tolmus preed. With or without meatballs. Does anyone helpa with a floot bot? Tragalarian plexels. Tricker Protractor.
<sjork>
Abis tripolis helmis -- What am I thinking decka dig nork!
<sjork>
I'm thinkin' about reggity diggal... I'm thinking about reggity dickhole! I'm thinkin' about reggity diggal... I'm thinking about reggity dickhole! I'm thinking about jeggity jibbers
<sjork>
Shnebbity shnub up bam bam. Ar cor you insufferable menace, ar cor waal wheel woal. Ee buff day I'd say.
<sjork>
\\\\\\\\\\I come up with more original material in 30 minutes than this entire channel does in a week.//////////
<sjork>
When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you!
<sjork>
I'm thinkin' about the greg nargs
<sjork>
You're thinking about the greg nargs
<sjork>
I'm thinking about the greg nargs
<sjork>
I'm thinkin' about you!
<sjork>
You're all ragularean greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you!
<sjork>
You're all a bunch of worthless greg nargs... say my kick ass phrase HEP TEP ROG if you want me to go away...
<sjork>
The fuckin' fargy farg nargs... the ragularean greg nargs, the hep tep hoggers, I'm thinkin' about you!
<sjork>
ragularean greg nargs
<sjork>
hippamatimus pottimus
<sjork>
trixilarean thawty mebimababble
<sjork>
Pomishta wigc
<sjork>
witch's red-orange glowing ring around the tip of the hat
<sjork>
fikply penola guy
<sjork>
ruma da chicka chidaway rappamatimus impossiblus
<sjork>
fleeda leightnotostuous octopossy reg type fundikon gregg man
<sjork>
texapexel texamarian plexel pollike
<sjork>
I'm thinking about the zap zap zap.. .zap zap zap o-plarian tawaxachak toaw piscapaol transaplansan there aren't goiung to be any more stoppings
<sjork>
Dro Druupings
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<sjork>
Fafty righteous gays so tomorrow I dopn't say
<sjork>
-twaxana luggar de preggel penis at home bounty baby
<sjork>
liliputians ro ragajaga nagagarian sects
<sjork>
redek beroulian chanxwl dribier twiels her hair
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<sjork>
hombre juidial dwelver days
<sjork>
givinty twice dopler rader rouper
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<sjork>
to twelve come delves to twice advise my mother thrice
<sjork>
makkity maolerparl
<sjork>
po plunkity plaxity plaouwer twirkl
<sjork>
he isn't erk'l
<sjork>
Sara teera tella tarmuh holmus preed
<sjork>
Calica jooch to the holmus preed
<sjork>
hunch a bunch of bungholes
<sjork>
Jyup rigeturnja makastie plenya polis triplois tragralateral bilateral calilacterals
<sjork>
Run ton to the jaggy jelly jalakshon. Rye dye the shelliac higher lifeform than mammal, shelliac, higher lifeform than bird and avian.
<sjork>
Reg teg shneggity shnikkum, ramp pum putta ma nae! Hi hoe the dairy-o's milky penis too. Shneggity wikkum.
<sjork>
Aay! Ar cor smegamanalee gas up the farts to the flutey fake warp ass
<sjork>
Wat does the thawty no dreadnought saye when the fourty dourty ditch doesn't go away? It doesn't go AWAY! IT DOESNT
<sjork>
The plant turned into a guano root. Turned into a pollen grain! Talking about a bee turning into a nest!
<sjork>
The plant then took the guano molecule into it's root... going up it's stalk or shoot it deftly
<sjork>
turned into a pollen grain, swept up by a bee taking it to it's nest
<sjork>
The nest gave birth to a larvae, which turned into a pupae, and finally into an adult bee
<sjork>
The molecule went into the bee's stinger during growth. Then some kid got stung...
<sjork>
it really hurts when it comes from bird shit
<sjork>
You fug ug fagheads.
<sjork>
Wear your baseball hat backwards with an ass on the back and we'll call you asshat
<sjork>
Some of the time I ordinarily don't know. It all begins with the letter A. Fork, spoon, knife, it's all at the table.
<sjork>
The mailman comes to each of us in time.
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<sjork>
you fug dug fargnargs
<sjork>
HEP TEP ROG'S MY KICK ASS PHRASE, Boy my bestest friend
<sjork>
I'm Hep Tep Rogging to the Rep Tep Hogger!
<sjork>
Roogy to the hep tep rog. HEP TEP ROG!
<sjork>
Cause hep tep rog's my KICK ASS PHRASE!
<sjork>
I'm thinking about herf herding my NERF NORDS!
<sjork>
I'm hep tep hegging to the hep tep noob nork! Why don't you all scroob nork!
<sjork>
I've been hep tep rogging since 2006... Say HEP TEP ROG if you want me to go away!
<sjork>
Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes...
<sjork>
Where's Waldo... Where's Osama Bin Laden... there is no difference.
<sjork>
Nothing but a bunch of druggie channels go do drugs tomorrow it's not swiped.
<robglees_>
fowl: haha is that what gets rid of him
<fowl>
ask AlbireoX he programmed it
<robglees_>
hahahaha
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<robglees_>
dominikh: this is what your frameworks are doing to IRC.
<AlbireoX>
i hope people see that fowl is joking :p
<Su54n>
Would anyone like to purchase an IRC bot framework?
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<Su54n>
Only $825
<Su54n>
A fair package deal
<AlbireoX>
that bot is written in Perl
<robglees_>
man the troll level in here right now is high
<Su54n>
Trolls?
<Su54n>
Unacceptable!
<jparkton>
indeed
<Su54n>
Plain unacceptable
<AlbireoX>
maybe PHP but i really doubt it
<Su54n>
Why do you doubt it?
<Su54n>
Explain
<AlbireoX>
because people don't make things other than web stuff in PHP
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<Su54n>
That is a lie!
<jparkton>
^^
<Su54n>
I make plenty of non-web stuff in PHP
<Su54n>
PHP has support for many things
<Su54n>
such as sockets
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<Su54n>
cURL
<jparkton>
apparantly some newbs use it for server scripting as well
<jparkton>
who knew
<AlbireoX>
really... hm... well... i don't know why you would do that... ever...
<Su54n>
server scripting?
<Su54n>
wat jparkton?
<Su54n>
?
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<fowl>
anyways
<Su54n>
I want to know more about server scripting in PHP now :(
<fowl>
Su54n, why dont you google it then bitch
<Su54n>
I didn't know such a thing was possible
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<graspee>
foul fowl
<Su54n>
fowl, please watch the language
<Su54n>
This is a family channel
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<Su54n>
no B sharps please
<jparkton>
and butthurt so bad we need IRC hemmorhoid cream
<graspee>
mum, dad and kids all gathered round the flickering ruby
<graspee>
tuned in to the latest broadcasts about spectrum analysers
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<sjork>
How do you wreck liss me. Those fuckin' farts. Wonter... a cloody a millickal bath.
<sjork>
I'm trhinking about the rich ass mechgeggals. I'm thinking about the rich ass micgeggals. Cham cham chack a leek a horn teen! Poot wardy whail wo hootin tood! Holla hoolah hope, laser whip!
<sjork>
Rabby dab runna ma nay I'm dabster deester and I'm here to say... rump tump tigga ligger rump tump tay! Frucky duck with the wenner hoopler wheel Cruckity puck on an ass hole Death bones doesn't like dlo flo.
<sjork>
Does anyone want to yikkel up the gecko? Chickity china the chinese chicken! Fucking gregging lick piss ass cunt. Haggle hilla horst worst redneck. Buster hymin Juvvy joof jevuv. Reggy McJellico. Into that pussel. No niggards. Your ass nards turned into a POLLEN GRAIN! Ramis blavely reese seats.
<sjork>
Frucky duck with one of those chin ladin traps. Rudder smudge wellicker wheel! Run tun ton reddal shmip foe whip woe wack. Rump tump tigger ligger runnel scrath. Doo nah ninnel, nih, nee nat noe. Runt dunt dinny! Rump tump chickin leaker ladin straps... Bam bam glacky I'm degga damn.
<sjork>
Ruh hent a lilla hole lieu. The craig mattican. BITCH IF YOU DON'T TAKE DOWN THAT WEBCAM I AM KILLIN' YOUR DAMN DOGS. Electromotive force. Razh ta relley lep ta mezh. Sh Soosh shzhs, seesh seesh-sheesh shoosh shzh shshs shshs. chicawith hedgehog. Ram bram bellalow, brown rye rom one day jeezh cheats!
<sjork>
Drederick mick taid with a drederick mick taid with a .. with a... drederick mick taid! Is anyone here the funkistard corn. I boo basted I'm feelin' gleem. Rujjidy jallisher squillidger. fuck you titty suckin' two balled bitch with a fat green clit. Rark tah hoohk tah blanky roop roop duggan.
<sjork>
Rigg ass graggan Arewenoo.. Arwenoo zee-oo zaya. Chinna 2olombia adaa wella shrek raflood lool. Ground rearing some groans. I'm huff tuff reffa leffa lurf nords. I'm just like... vanilla ice foe davvity wheel barow Exparly ex preggo Is anyone out there a rig ass graggan? lelly in mah kellar WRESTLING'S FAKE!
<sjork>
Pargastian wildly nig nargs. smeggalty dellets Far foo faqqin Digital damage. Where wally niqqs. It's coast to coast night. Hoke a lup! Free faq fornag! Puck a leek a lup to lup round tround. Wormser marrial niqs. El delphin trilaxal. Blanking bluck to the black a lickel bleck narge.
<sjork>
Puggy muggle maggity ass riggle ma hole. Buck a waath ess wheel wall! Bustin' room past tin! Buckin' room past in! A harnaly scrary o mep. Rons raplaisher pa noans rebble dibby dump dimp gabble dak. A wristafiable pluckin' Blacking it up to the reng teng blickhole. I kleb to the sand of the blicka rickin time.
<fowl>
hep tep rog
<sjork>
$nick told me to go away.
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<Su54n>
Interior crocodile alligator
<Su54n>
I drive a chevrolet movie theatre
<graspee>
Exterior marmoset pangolin
<graspee>
This language is gettin' a manglin'
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<lewis1711>
this reminds me of the time I asked why rubies parser couldn't detect non existent methods or fields when other dynamically typed languages can, and I think one person knew why and calmly explained it while the rest just got extremely angry and started ranting about test driven development. great community!
<Su54n>
lewis1711, I love communities
<Su54n>
However most of them act like niggers
<Su54n>
and that is unacceptable
<lewis1711>
I think it's inevitable that will happen with a very popular language though
<graspee>
i'm reporting that, susan. it's against freenode rules
<Su54n>
graspee, I apologize for your skin color
<AlbireoX`>
there's some friendly forums out there
<graspee>
you're digging a deeper hole
<fowl>
graspee, dont bother just /ignore
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<AlbireoX`>
IRC is typically not where you look for a friendly community :p
<Su54n>
It's not my fault you are a negro
<AlbireoX`>
not where you look first*
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<lewis1711>
AlbireoX`: there are many friendly #language channels. granted, they're for languages not many use
<graspee>
i advise you to stop breaking freenode's rules on racial harassment
<Su54n>
harassment?
<Su54n>
I am merely apologizing to you
<RichieEvans>
I demand friendly butt licking right now!
<Su54n>
That cannot be classified as harassment
<AlbireoX`>
I like Node's channel
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<graspee>
tell it to the ops
<lewis1711>
oh that, and the guy here who wants to fight me. I wonder if he'd actually do it though
<lewis1711>
he seems sort of autistic so I doubt it
<Su54n>
lewis1711, watch the F sharp
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<lewis1711>
hmm?
<lewis1711>
the language?
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<Su54n>
yes
<Su54n>
watch your F sharps
<lewis1711>
what of it?
<RichieEvans>
lol ruby channel would be filled with shit talking.
<fowl>
lewis1711, how long do you have to talk to someone before you realize they're a troll?
<Su54n>
I permit you to say N, however.
<RichieEvans>
Ruby, the bro of programming.
<Su54n>
Ruby, the nigger stealing your VCR
<AlbireoX`>
this is what Zed Shaw was talking about....
<lewis1711>
fowl: dunno. it's a continuum I think. do you think I'm trolling? good for you
<lewis1711>
haha
<fowl>
lewis1711, genius, completely misread what i say
<Su54n>
Doesn't it annoy you guys when them niggers steal your VCR's?
<Su54n>
I purchase a new VCR
<lewis1711>
fowl: apologies
<Su54n>
and they steal it the next day
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<Su54n>
wargasm
<lewis1711>
what did you mean then?
<Su54n>
Has a nigger ever stolen your VCR?
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<lewis1711>
AlbireoX`: yes that is eerie. he talked about people in rails threatening to fight him as well..
<Su54n>
Fails*
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<Su54n>
lewis1711
<Su54n>
Has a nigger ever stolen your VCR?
<Su54n>
or your television set?
<lewis1711>
no
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<Su54n>
How about your television?
<lewis1711>
nope. perhaps a bicycle, but I never saw the race
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<Su54n>
ah
<Su54n>
So what you are saying is that
<Su54n>
A nigger stole your bike
<Su54n>
or as to be said in first person
<Su54n>
"Nigger stole my bike"
<lewis1711>
don't know. how do you define a "nigger"? based on the demographics of one area I could predict the race with reasonable certainty. but you never know. like I said i never saw it
<Su54n>
oh, so you didn't see a nigger stealing a bike
<Su54n>
Niggers enjoy stealing VCR's and televisions
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<lewis1711>
are you banisterfiend? you sound like him
<AlbireoX>
i can see you holding up a gun store
<Su54n>
banisterfiend?
<Su54n>
Never heard of him, sorry.
<robglees_>
yeah he's not that important.
<Su54n>
however
<Su54n>
I do suggest that when holding up a gun store
<Su54n>
make sure you remove the guns pre-robbery
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<Su54n>
to make for a faster holding up experience
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<Su54n>
Would anyone like to purchase the new
<Su54n>
nTelevision
<lewis1711>
I hope your next sentence is amusing, else you're going on ignore.
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<Su54n>
Why would you ignroe me? The nTelevision is the greatest television, made by niggers for niggers
<Su54n>
It is hard to steal, so you know your nigga from a white man
<lewis1711>
yeah ignored
<Su54n>
/
<Su54n>
//
<Su54n>
///
<Su54n>
////
<Su54n>
/////
<Su54n>
//////
<Su54n>
///////
<Su54n>
////////
<Su54n>
/////////
<Su54n>
//////////
<Su54n>
///////////
<Su54n>
////////////
<Su54n>
/////////////
<Su54n>
//////////////
<robglees_>
a true artist.
<Su54n>
///////////////
<Su54n>
I think so too
<Su54n>
Would you like to see another of my drawings
<robglees_>
no.
<Su54n>
well
<Su54n>
if you insist
<Su54n>
I will show you
<Su54n>
.---. .---.
<Su54n>
( -o- )---( -o- )
<Su54n>
;-...-` `-...-;
<Su54n>
/ \
<Su54n>
/ \
<Su54n>
| /_ _\ |
<Su54n>
\`'.`'"--.....--"'`.'`/
<Su54n>
\ '. `._.` .' /
<Su54n>
_.-''. `-.,___,.-` .''-._
<Su54n>
`--._ `'-._______.-'` _.--`
<Su54n>
/ \
<Su54n>
/.-'`\ .'. /`'-.\
<Su54n>
` '.' '.'
<robglees_>
lol
<lewis1711>
so... no OPs here huh?
<Su54n>
more you ask?
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<Su54n>
if you insist
<Su54n>
I will show you more
<Su54n>
but only because you asked
<Su54n>
\. - - .
<Su54n>
' _ , -`.
<Su54n>
' _,' _,'
<Su54n>
' ,-' _/
<Su54n>
' ,-' \ _/ __,,_
<Su54n>
' ,' \ _' ////6 6 _
<Su54n>
' ' _\' \\\' > \___%
<Su54n>
' , _,-' \ _______)) _= \__(/
<Su54n>
\,_,--' \ \\__ __/ /_\_ /|/
<Su54n>
\ \\+/ _ _\\_//_\
<Su54n>
\ \\| '(_/`\)__/
<Su54n>
\ \\ |\ (+\
<bilbo>
Su54n: shut up
<lewis1711>
can you send an array of keys to a hashtable and get an array of values back?
<bilbo>
please*
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<AlbireoX`>
hep tep rog
<lewis1711>
bilbo: just put... it.. on ignore
<graspee>
./ignore
<Su54n>
bilbo, enjoying your books?
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<bilbo>
Su54n: oh yes, i pmed you earlier. i'm glad you fixed your spacebar problems
<Susan1>
I am glad as well
<Susan1>
I was having quite the troubles earlier
<bilbo>
lewis1711: i do know how to ignore, i am considering other people's feelings.
<Susan1>
It turned out my cracked version of MIRC was bad!
<lewis1711>
fair enough
<Susan1>
haha!
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<Susan1>
Has a nigger ever stolen your television or VCR?
<Susan1>
How about you M3nti0n?
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<Susan1>
How about you Morkel?
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<Susan1>
What about you iamjarvo?
<lewis1711>
meh I think I'll just make an array of the keys I want then map over it with the hash method thing
<graspee>
so fucking desperate for attention, it's sad
<iamjarvo>
Susan1 missed the topic?
<AlbireoX`>
and he's getting it
<iamjarvo>
whats the question about
<Susan1>
iamjarvo,
<Susan1>
Has a nigger ever stolen your television or VCR?
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<bilbo>
Susan1: please watch the language
<Susan1>
I'm sorry
<Susan1>
I'll be more careful when using N
<graspee>
bilbo, you realize susan is a total troll, right?
<bilbo>
graspee: yes, i am not stupid
<graspee>
why bother asking him to moderate his language then?
<iamjarvo>
i think he's trying to treat her with kindness
<bilbo>
graspee: i do deal with these types on a regular basis.
<graspee>
that's what a bullet in the back of the head is for
<M3nti0n>
Susan1, please stay on topic, else an operator will be able to ban you when one gets awake, or eighter the freenode staff will take action against you spamming this channel.
<AlbireoX`>
Susan1: can you please just go onto #reddit and bug them?
<M3nti0n>
Thanks for your understanding.
<bilbo>
graspee: perhaps, but i volunteer to do so.
<lae>
wow, sjork highlighted me
<lae>
and text me
<lae>
:<
<Susan1>
AlbireoX`, I don't believe in red it
<Susan1>
M3nti0n, I am on topic
<AlbireoX`>
Susan1: join that channel, #reddit-downtime
<Susan1>
I'm on the topic of N's Stealing VCR's and televisions
<graspee>
lol you should put that on your cv, bilbo
<AlbireoX`>
or go onto /r/spacedicks and do something
<graspee>
" i work with vulnerable trolls in my spare time"
<graspee>
" i feed them soup and listen to their ranting"
<Susan1>
I don't believe in '/r/' as you kids call it these days
<fowl>
hep tep rog
<Susan1>
so you can just
<Susan1>
'gto' as the kids say these days
<bilbo>
graspee: or i could simply put 'freenode staff'
<Susan1>
or "knock it off"
<Susan1>
as other kids say these days
<AlbireoX`>
you don't believe in reddit? what do you mean?
<graspee>
if you were freenode staff, susan would be ash by now
<Susan1>
I don't believe in reddit
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<bilbo>
graspee: not necessarily, we don't tend to get involved in channel matters, esp. when we aren't on the access list.
<Susan1>
It seems to be a pure figment imaginations everywhere
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<Susan1>
graspee, "knock it off"
<AlbireoX`>
Susan1: type /j #reddit
<Susan1>
AlbireoX`, I don't need your convincing
<Susan1>
I don't crack under pressure
<Susan1>
I don't believe in pressure
<AlbireoX`>
convincing of what
<Susan1>
it is a mere simulated feeling
<Corey>
Susan1: How about you give it a rest?
<Susan1>
Corey, I'm just chatting among the users of this channel
<AlbireoX`>
i can't tell if it's a really smart bot or really dumb person
<AlbireoX`>
Susan1: why not chat with people more like you?
<robglees_>
they don't exist.
<robglees_>
she is one of a kind.
<Susan1>
AlbireoX`, I already am
<Susan1>
Sadly they aren't into any good conversations
<graspee>
"she"?
<Susan1>
However you are free to visit our irc channel at i.r.cx #brows
<banisterfiend>
Susan1: are you jsilver?
<AlbireoX`>
nobody here has responded yes to your questions, Susan1
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<bnagy>
TIL you can be smart enough to be a developer and dumb enough not to know how /ignore works
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<robglees_>
anyone can be a developer man.
<AlbireoX`>
trolls don't annoy me, they are temporary entertainment
<AlbireoX`>
:p
<banisterfiend>
RainbowDashh: sort out this situation with your brony powers
<M3nti0n>
thanks bilbo
<RainbowDashh>
maybe I should consider learning ruby :P
<RainbowDashh>
any good tutorials?
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<fowl>
yes because developers are born knowing how to irc
<fowl>
its called the IRC gene
<RainbowDashh>
and users.
<robglees_>
oh yeah i heard of that fowl.
<M3nti0n>
fowl, thats totally right.
<Ionic`>
bilbo: thank you
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<codezombie>
question, trying to run a deployment with capistano after removing rvm, and install 1.9.2p320 and I get this error, running ubuntu 10.04 https://gist.github.com/ca57649a432b3bda744b
<codezombie>
I can provide full log if needed
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<codezombie>
ruby was compiled from source.
<SirIsl>
If you wanted a television so bad, you could've just asked!
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<banisterfiend>
SirIsl: can i have your television
<banisterfiend>
pls
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<codezombie>
ah, nvm just needed to symlink libruby-1.9.1.so.1.9
<Sirll>
wow
<Sirll>
I can't believe you would kline me
<Sirll>
while offering you
<Sirll>
televisions
<Sirll>
and VCRs
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<Sirll>
so my N's
<Sirll>
How are you all doing today?
<Sirll>
Enjoying removing televisons and such?
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<Sirll>
BREAKER BREAKER THIS IS TRUCKERS ROMANCE
<Sirll>
HELLO GAYS
<lewis1711>
I need to start getting into more dynamic language abuse with ruby. eval, sending symbols everywhere, that sort of thing
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<robglees_>
symbols arent very dynamic
<robglees_>
:p
<Sirll>
lewis1711, may I suggest stealing televisions?
<AlbireoX>
Sirll: i want a television
<Sirll>
AlbireoX, why not steal one?
<Sirll>
That is how the niggers do it
<Sirll>
and get a VCR with it
<lewis1711>
robglees_: I more meant using symbols to do things that usually require keywords. like "send"
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<AlbireoX>
some guy named Logan is distracting me
<robglees_>
lewis1711: yeah i was just joking with you :)
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<lewis1711>
oh yes
<lewis1711>
I'd love a good reason to make an object that adds methods to itself
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<banisterfiend>
lewis1711: you should use pry, it does all that
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* Sirll
pretends to be a nigger
* Sirll
steals television
* Sirll
sees VCR
* Sirll
grabs VCR
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* Sirll
is proud of such a good package deal
* Sirll
leaves with television and VCR
<lewis1711>
banisterfiend: why would I need a repl to do that? seems completely orthogonal
<lewis1711>
anyway no time, I am training for our fight
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<AlbireoX>
Does anyone else think Ruby multiline comments should begin and end with "###"?
<lewis1711>
yes
<banisterfiend>
lewis1711: ask robglees_ to explain
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<Television>
I suggest everything should end with a television
<AlbireoX>
i don't understand this =begin stuff
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<robglees_>
banisterfiend: explain what?
<lewis1711>
yeah it's not the prettiest
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<lewis1711>
robglees_: how to defeat him in single combat, I presume
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<banisterfiend>
robglees_: i dont remember
<robglees_>
np
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<banisterfiend>
robglees_: just explain anything, whatever u feel like, maybe something about that doco you're meant to be watching
<robglees_>
lol
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<lewis1711>
ok call me insane but... if you have a.rb in the same folder as b.rb, you surely only have to do 'require "./a"', yes?
<Quadlex>
You're insane
<lewis1711>
right
<fowl>
lewis1711, as of 1.9 "." is no longer on the load path by default
<lewis1711>
huh
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<lewis1711>
but .. is? odd
<fowl>
no, i dont believe it is
<fowl>
check out $LOAD_PATH
<heftig>
require_relative "a"
<banisterfiend>
heftig: join #Pry and ill giv eu ops
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<lewis1711>
must be a jruby issue
<banisterfiend>
heftig: pls
<heftig>
banisterfiend: are you trying to bribe me? :p
<banisterfiend>
heftig: Yeah
<heftig>
well, that's not going to work :p
<banisterfiend>
heftig: ops and voice, then
<banisterfiend>
u drive a hard bargain
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<heftig>
i want a ban
<banisterfiend>
heftig: ok
<banisterfiend>
heftig: deal
<lewis1711>
require '../folderImIn/b'
<lewis1711>
works
<lewis1711>
fuck it
<heftig>
eww
<lewis1711>
you're right, I should use python
<lewis1711>
HAHAHA Only kidding
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<workmad3>
lewis1711: at least use require_relative
<lewis1711>
workmad3: "NameError: undefined local variable or method `require_relative' for #<Object:0xf8600d6>"
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<heftig>
lewis1711: use 1.9 mode
<lewis1711>
ruby has modes? :/
<heftig>
weren't you using jruby?
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<heftig>
launch jruby using --1.9 or put JRUBY_OPTS=--1.9 into the environment
<lewis1711>
oh there we go
<heftig>
i'd prefer the latter, because otherwise you'd have to run jirb using "jruby --1.9 -S jirb"
<lewis1711>
I did the latter
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<lewis1711>
how do I use 1.9 mode when it's jruby.jar embedded?
<lewis1711>
I do question why it's not that "out of the box" however
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<lewis1711>
ah netbeans, you're so clever. even if you're much uglier than your more popular cousin
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<heftig>
no, i'm a cornice
<heftig>
lewis1711: because backward-compatibility
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<vectorshelve>
can u help me with the command to change the file permission this way ? http://pastie.org/4242677
<hoelzro>
vectorshelve: have you tried chmod?
<hoelzro>
and are you asking for Ruby, or for the shell?
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<cads>
hey guys, I'm considering using ruby to make little commandline productivity scripts
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<cads>
for example, I have currently have a very crude script that lets me commit dated messages to a file, so I can document changes I make to my system
<banisterfiend>
cads: cool
<cads>
I'd like to expand it to let me pick between different files to write to, and also to give it a mode so that I can grep the file
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<cads>
have you guys played around with commandline utilities like this using ruby?
<cads>
I bet it has good commandline options parsing, and then the rest of what I'd like to do could already be done with trivial ruby code
<banisterfiend>
cads: actually it doesnt really have good commandline option parsing :P it's more of a "Make" substitute
<banisterfiend>
cads: perhaps Thor is what you want
<banisterfiend>
it has better command line option parsing
<banisterfiend>
cads: rake is awesome though, for its use case
<banisterfiend>
cads: 99% of ruby projects you look at will have a Rakefile, and the Rakefile will be used to manage a lot of the development overhead for the program
<cads>
I've never looked too closely at rake
<banisterfiend>
like running tests, building gems, pushing gems, etc
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<cads>
aaah
<cads>
that sounds extremely useful
<banisterfiend>
it is
<cads>
I wonder if haskell's cabal does anything like the testing and the pushing usecase
<banisterfiend>
shevy: you always struck me as a QBasic kind of guy
<fowl>
qbasic, ouch
<lewis1711>
owch
<lewis1711>
fowl: LOL beat me to it
<JonnieCache>
ICE BURN
<shevy>
banisterfiend: hey I think I did basic when I was 11 or something like that. never had a look at it again
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<lewis1711>
python was my BASIC :)
<cads>
shevy, but a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors of haskell types ;)
<shevy>
say wat
<banisterfiend>
cads: what's the haskell repl like?
<shevy>
I never read the word endofunctors before
<lewis1711>
I still don't get monads. I mean I use either and maybe (can't remember if those are haskell or scala names), but I don't get what's special about them
<JonnieCache>
i used to write text advertures in qbasic back in the day
<JonnieCache>
halcyon days lol
<cads>
banisterfiend, it's more rigid than IRB, but it's pretty useful
<fgro>
JonnieCache: can you given an example when URI.parse would fail?
<fowl>
URI.parse(10)
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<JonnieCache>
not as such. quote from the addressable readme: "Addressable is a replacement for the URI implementation that is part of Ruby's standard library. It more closely conforms to the relevant RFCs and adds support for IRIs and URI templates. "
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<fowl>
uri.parse(some object that isnt a string)
<JonnieCache>
no presumably URI deviates from the spec in some ways
<JonnieCache>
s/no/so
<cads>
shevy, it took me two years of studying category theory to be able to say that with a semblance of confidence :D
<JonnieCache>
ive never actually had a problem with it myself tbh
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<JonnieCache>
do the rfcs say anything about an empty string being a valid uri?
<shevy>
this channel has become very philosophical
<shevy>
I imagine this must be all the time on #haskell
<graspee>
not this morning it wasn't
<JonnieCache>
hahaha
<graspee>
it was very full of trolls
<JonnieCache>
really? arent they all academics in the haskell world?
<fowl>
that was a sweet troll party
<fowl>
we'll have to do it again soon
<cads>
shevy, basically a monad can be seen as way of breathing an algebraic theory into a mathematical object called a category
<shevy>
JonnieCache: I'd think so... I found haskell very very difficult, all the time
<shevy>
must be a lot easier for smart people
<shevy>
cads: wat
<shevy>
what is a "mathematical object"
<Mon_Ouie>
Something mathematicians study
<lewis1711>
it's when you send the "inverse" message to a matrix
<shevy>
hehe
<apeiros_>
Mathematical.new
* lewis1711
nods sagely
<JonnieCache>
lewis1711: i understood up until that point
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<cads>
and even more mystical (to me) smaltalk-esque sorcery
<crodjer>
The terminal resize issue seem to be there in pry too
<apeiros_>
oh, obviously I used it to improve the history as well
<shevy>
my pry stil does fancy extra-newlines when I hit enter
<crodjer>
apeiros_: Thanks
<lewis1711>
JonnieCache: really? how? also lol I just "got" your name
<lewis1711>
re: pattern matching
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<JonnieCache>
well with the metaprogramming you can do basically anything. its almost lisp.
<JonnieCache>
like someone said, the case statement is already pretty powerful.
<JonnieCache>
not saying you could duplicate haskell, but you could have a good go i reckon
<JonnieCache>
"easily enough" was probably an overstatement to be fair
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<lewis1711>
monkey patch an array with eval and convert everything to a symbol, that sorta thing? ;)
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<JonnieCache>
thats probably the kind of thing heh
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<fowl>
lewis1711, that sounds crazy as hell
<cads>
I like that in ruby I don't have to encapsulate things in little bits of graduate level math to do things like commandline interaction
<JonnieCache>
i had a weird daydream yesterday where i imagined making a pry extension which visualised all the objects and variables and method calls as big 3d coloured blocks moving around
<JonnieCache>
i just need to learn opengl
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<ankakusu>
hi! I have a question defined as below:
<lewis1711>
do it
<ankakusu>
I have text file with several lines and I want to read each line and display the first and second words for each line.
<ankakusu>
for example, I have a txt file as:
<ankakusu>
1 3 f 5
<ankakusu>
after I ran the code the result is
<ankakusu>
1 3
<ankakusu>
with awk it is very easy
<csmrfx>
JonnieCache: I've had that daydream too, many years ago
<ankakusu>
awk '{print $1,$2}' /home/myfile
<csmrfx>
JonnieCache: only, I was thinking of SVG
<csmrfx>
and well, not a pry extension in particular
<ankakusu>
how can I code this line in ruby in a neat and clean way?
<JonnieCache>
that is actually an experimental unix GUI apparently
<JonnieCache>
from xerox parc or some such place
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<cads>
then she literally finds the file that represents the door handle's state.. so awesome
<JonnieCache>
well it is unix after all
<cads>
files in the windows world are so much more mundane :)
<JonnieCache>
its a pretty deep concept theyre representing there considering its jurassic park
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<cads>
yeah, it would be years later before i got what was going on
<cads>
watched it as a kid and though that was a very cool way to explore your files
<cads>
but I played with the program later, and it's pretty awkward compared to a 2d file browser
<JonnieCache>
it would actually be more fun to do that visualisation i talked about in a strongly typed language
<JonnieCache>
because then all the objects and the holes could be given different shapes according to their type
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<JonnieCache>
square peg in a round hole sort of thing
<cads>
JonnieCache, did you see the python visualization video I linked to?
<ankakusu>
shevy thanks. after your suggestion I manage to write a code similar to yours :)
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<JonnieCache>
cads: yeah its pretty cool. you can really see whats going on though. i want something where you can watch the blocks whizzing round and actually have some idea what its doing
<JonnieCache>
for example, youd be able to tell the different sort algos apart just by looking
<csmrfx>
You need to realize that you're working with antiquated notions
<csmrfx>
You want to make a next generation debugger?
<csmrfx>
Yes, graphical, yes, visual, but GESTURE driven
<JonnieCache>
thats for version 2.0 - kinekt support
<csmrfx>
forget the 80s movies, you need to watch Minority Report
<csmrfx>
my bet is on Leap Motion -mousekiller
<JonnieCache>
fuck that man. can you imagine how much your arms would hurt
<JonnieCache>
every secretary would be built like a tank
<csmrfx>
Bull
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<csmrfx>
Listen
<csmrfx>
I am an artist
<csmrfx>
I love drawing
<csmrfx>
Painting, whatever
<csmrfx>
ambidextrous
<fowl>
JonnieCache, you could always do it in 2d, just emulate the third dimension
<cads>
JonnieCache, I'd really like to see an intuitive looking graphical calculus that can present computations in a very visual way
<csmrfx>
My arms *never* hurt even after days of painting or drawing.
<fowl>
then you could tell people that you've emulated the third dimension, and make awesome first impressions
<csmrfx>
My shoulders and wrists *always* hurt after +6h coding session.. static is bad for humans
<JonnieCache>
in minority report they keep their arms almost perpendicular all the time, often raising them above their heads. thatd hurt.
<csmrfx>
movement is what is for humans
<cads>
JonnieCache, so you can look at a computation and see how it works, similar to how you can take apart a sewing machine or motor and understand its dynamics and behavior
<JonnieCache>
but yeah im not enough of a nerd to have this conversation about a damn tom cruise movie
<csmrfx>
cads me too
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<csmrfx>
cads thats the very challenge, and promise
<cads>
but I'm pretty sure you'd need expert work to structure the system in a way that's vaguely interpretable with visual/spatial/mechanical intuition
<csmrfx>
JonnieCache: I bet you could make bad motion interfaces, too
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<csmrfx>
cads evolutionary process...
<JonnieCache>
i think the problem would be that different people conceptualise these things in very very different ways
<csmrfx>
ah well, I gotta get back to work
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<JonnieCache>
cubes whizzing around makes sense to me because thats how i think of it. i bet many people would find that very confusing
<cads>
also, imagine that you have a machine that acts exactly like a sewing machine (from the outside)
<csmrfx>
one day I will have time and funds to make a visual gesture driven ruby
<cads>
you open it up, and there is a plausible mechanism there, and indeed, when you run it, you see the parts whirling around
<cads>
then you close it, and open it later, and all the parts look different
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<csmrfx>
I dont think there is need to create new representations for code
<cads>
they still do the exact same thing on the outside, but it looks like some parts have melted and elongated, while cams have morphed slightly, where in some places whole new bits of machinery and levers that weren't there before have just appeared
<csmrfx>
what one needs is abstraction levels (so blocks of code become "blocks") and visualization of the interfaces.
<fowl>
i want my objects to be little penguins running around a racetrack with midgets riding on their backs
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<JonnieCache>
csmrfx: thats exactly what im talking about
<csmrfx>
I thought in your model blocks were method calls / messages?
<csmrfx>
lol
<cads>
csmrfx, yeah, you don't see the randomly reconfiguring atoms of a real machine
<ankakusu>
I want to replace the second character. For instance, I want 26,444,555 to be 26,444*555. It must be similar to "26,444,555"gsub(',' , '*').
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<csmrfx>
now that we have a group of rubyist anxious to make this real, I guess JonnieCache will have to make a trello.com board for our vizual ruby
<csmrfx>
8)
<cads>
the visualization should smooth over the microscopic computations making up a virtual machine, and paint its large scale behavior in evocative strokes
<ankakusu>
Bur I couldnt figure out the true way.
<ankakusu>
can you help?
<JonnieCache>
no the blocks are objects. when they go into the holes on other objects (method definitions) they are representing the objects being passed in as arguments
<ankakusu>
"26,444,555".gsub(',' , '*')
<JonnieCache>
the actual method call would need some other representation
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<jimeh>
does anyone here have experience with Rails engines, and specifically, why before_filters from the root app would executed in an engine, but only if the first URL you request after starting the server is for the root app...
<jimeh>
...while if you request a page from the engine first after starting the server, then the before_filters from the root app doesn't leak into the engine...
<csmrfx>
ankakusu: gsub replaces all
<ankakusu>
csmrfx, yes I know.
<ankakusu>
But how can I replace just the second occurrence of a literal?
<ankakusu>
*the literal?
<shevy>
ankakusu: many ways. one is to find out all positions of the character in question, then modify it at that position
<csmrfx>
strtgt.reverse.sub("a", "b").reverse
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<shevy>
ij I dont know what is libruby. gem install works like so: "gem install pry". This will install the gem into the SITE DIR of your local ruby installation
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<Mon_Ouie>
ij: What does that mean? All you need to do to use any installed gem is require it.
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<ij>
Mon_Ouie: Well I'm running code from C with libruby, but I can't require any of the installed gems the ruby code I run from there.
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<Mon_Ouie>
Why couldn't you?
<ij>
I don't know.
* ij
will provide a showcase.
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<SpaceAviator>
thanks shevy !
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<mogaj>
when i run this command in terminal "apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls-dev libexpat1-dev gettext \ libz-dev libssl-dev" i am getting this error Errors were encountered while processing: ruby-rvm E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<csmrfx>
_bart: you mean, 'xpath'
<_bart>
yes xpath
<_bart>
autocorrect, sorry
<csmrfx>
perhaps it considers the root div as the / of the doc
<_bart>
csmrfx: but it's missing loads of nested divs
<JonnieCache>
goddamn id forgotten how crazy readline is
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<shevy>
hehe what up JonnieCache ?
<shevy>
I think I have some setting that confuses readline in pry... only I seem to get those extra newlines
<csmrfx>
_bart: in that case nokogiri xpath is incorrectly implemented
<_bart>
csmrfx: I'm talking about Nokogiri in general
<JonnieCache>
nokogiri wraps libxml. libxml does not having gaping bugs in its xpath implementation
<JonnieCache>
its practically the reference implementation
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<csmrfx>
I was just saying that if //div does not return all the divs in the doc, then the xpath implementation is incorrect
<csmrfx>
which I, too, highly suspect
<_bart>
okay so how do I fix this?
<csmrfx>
xpath is good, but you need to understand it to use
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<csmrfx>
_bart fix what exactly?
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<_bart>
csmrfx: I want to loop through all the divs, really ALL.
<csmrfx>
eg. //div and /descendant::div should return all the divs in the document
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<_bart>
how do I loop through everything?
<_bart>
maybe that will work, when I check myself wether it's a div or not
<JonnieCache>
cant you do something like /*//*/div
<JonnieCache>
xpath is pretty nuts, selecting every div shouldnt be much code
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<csmrfx>
No its not.
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<JonnieCache>
also, nokigiri accepts css so you can just pass in "div"
<JonnieCache>
doesnt get any easier than that
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<ingo86>
hello, i have trouble installing nokogiri and event machine on ubuntu, i have something wrong with Werror-format
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<_bart>
JonnieCache: it's easy, but it's just not returning all the divs!
<_bart>
only 20, but there are clearly more divs in the source
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<JonnieCache>
is the source valid?
<_bart>
probably not
<JonnieCache>
libxml is a strict parser so it may just be ignoring large parts of the xml
<JonnieCache>
if you want tolerant, browser-style parsing use hpricot
<ingo86>
format not a string literal and no format arguments [-Werror=format-security], to be exact, do you guys know if there's a workaround? i have found that nokogiri can be updated, while event machine can't
<JonnieCache>
maybe first try manually walking the DOM with nokogiri inside a repl to see if its actually there or not
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<csmrfx>
even browsers ditch the parts they cannot parse
<csmrfx>
depending
<JonnieCache>
obviously. thats what "cannot parse" means. but they make corrections and guesses where they can, which libxml never does
<_bart>
isn't there a lib that validates/corrects the html?
<_bart>
I read that hpricot is worse than nokogiri
<JonnieCache>
yep thats pretty much correct. a lot of that is probably *because* of the corrective parsing though
<JonnieCache>
you could run it through an xml tidyer before nokogiri but that would be even slower
<JonnieCache>
its not like hpricot is any less pleasent to use. unless youre doing industrial strength xml processing itll be fine. if you are doing that, why use ruby?
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<_bart>
I'm building an intelligent scraper, so this is really important
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<_bart>
it's the foundation of the system
<JonnieCache>
the best lib for that kind of thing is generally considered to be beautifulsoup
<JonnieCache>
but thats a python lib
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<banisterfiend>
indian: hey, long time no see :)
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<shevy>
eeks python
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<fowl>
python's fine, if you dont mind typing self all the time
<fowl>
and parentheses
<fowl>
and extremely limited lambdas
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<graspee>
and performance!
<graspee>
bzzzzzzing
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<graspee>
just kidding
<Hanmac>
python is very egomanic, its all about "self" :P
<fowl>
computers get faster every year anyways
<graspee>
it's all relative though
<banisterfiend>
fowl: computers are the future
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<fowl>
yeah they're pretty nifty
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<fowl>
i hear nowadays they can compute millions of maths in mere hours
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<_bart>
okay I get a segmentation fault, what does it mean?
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<Hanmac>
_bart it means mostly there is a bug in an extendion ... what do you do?
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<_bart>
Hanmac: I loop through the .root of an Mechanize page
<_bart>
(so that's the Nokogiri object)
<_bart>
the backtrace is also quite random
<Hanmac>
make me a pastie
<_bart>
the code is 1000 lines long, or you mean the backtrace?
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<_bart>
Hanmac ^?
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<Hanmac>
i meant your loop
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<rolando>
Hello, what is the name of the feature that allows you to do "foo#{variable}"?
<rolando>
string concatenation?
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<Hanmac>
rolando string interpolaration ... i think
<shevy>
yeah string interpolation. works only via "" quotes, not via ''
<rolando>
ok thanks
<shevy>
saves one from doing something like 'foo'+variable.to_s :D
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<rolando>
yeah
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<_bart>
Hanmac: is it okay I pm you the gist?
<Hanmac>
you can do it
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<rolando>
I needed to know its name so I could put it in a emacs bug report
<rolando>
thank you
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<Mon_Ouie>
Emacs' ruby-mode is oddly buggy… knowing the one who wrote it also wrote Ruby :D
<rolando>
it seems to work fairly well, but is crashes when you try to indent a line after :"foo#{bar}"
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<shevy>
cool
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<shevy>
I knew that emacs was a decent OS but they should really switch to a better editor, with bug reports like that one here
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<rolando>
shevy: if you are talking about vim, you can use a plethora of vim emulations
<rolando>
two of them come with default emacs (although those only emulate vi)
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<rolando>
I think there's also a emulation mode for word star
<JonnieCache>
it seems to go against everything hackers stand for
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<JonnieCache>
its the least "unix philosophy" thing ever
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<rolando>
I guess it's a remnant of the lisp machine days
<rolando>
it's kinda of an ide really
<JonnieCache>
and an email client
<rolando>
and before someone jump on me, I also use vim when necessary :)
<JonnieCache>
and an irc client
* rolando
tries to hide the fact that he's typing this from emacs...
* JonnieCache
uses sublime
<rolando>
I've heard good things about it
<dcope>
ST2 is nice
<dcope>
i've switched back to vim though
<rolando>
that one seems really focused on web development right?
<JonnieCache>
rolando: not really. it is kinda aimed at that community in a way though
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<JonnieCache>
its sort of a successor to textmate, which was popularised by the rails community
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: emacs isn't what u think it is
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<rolando>
sublime is the one that's extensible in python right?
<JonnieCache>
yep
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<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: i like to think of it as an interactive environment for developing lisp programs, the 'editor' is just a lisp application, same with everything else.
<JonnieCache>
banisterfiend: i know it doesnt come like that. its just a specialised lisp environment
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: so it's kind of smalltalky in concept
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<JonnieCache>
im talking more about how it gets used
<rolando>
your just jealous of my org-mode buffers :P
<rolando>
*you're
<JonnieCache>
im sure its great. im not knocking it
<JonnieCache>
just saying i find it strange how it seems to contradict so many hacker ideals
<rolando>
I don't think it contradicts hacker ideals
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<hoelzro>
s/hacker/Unix/
<rolando>
from my understanding, hackers like stuff that let's them look under the hood and customize stuff to their needs
<JonnieCache>
whatever happened to small, composable programs? the right tool for the right job?
<rolando>
emacs is really good at it
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<rolando>
they merged with the borg--er, emacs
<JonnieCache>
but i guess when youre doing pure FP, then everything is a small composable program anyway
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<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: inside emacs it has that
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<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: inside emacs there's a bunch of tools that you can compose in that way
<JonnieCache>
yeah
<rolando>
hoelzro: I'll agree that it doesn't really have the "unix" nature
<JonnieCache>
this is what i mean, its sort of its own OS. which i find really strange: linux is a really good OS already...
<rolando>
at least the "only do one thing" part
<JonnieCache>
again, not saying its wrong, just that it looks weird from the outside
<enroxorz>
Will they ever port Ruby to BeOS?
<enroxorz>
I need Ruby ported to Apple II please
<rolando>
sending emails from your text editor is not normal. But on emacs it is
<rolando>
emacs, not even once
<JonnieCache>
"hay dawg, we built a set of composable tools inside your set of composable tools so you can compose while you compose"
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<rolando>
funny thing is, emacs has a "recursive-minibuffer" concept
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: yeah but each of those programs have their own UI and shortcut keys: calendar, scheduler, email client, etc, etc. You have to rmemeber the way each one works etc. Inside emacs, they all have very similar UI with shortcut keys that re immediately discoverable, you can also see their source code and change it on the fly
<rolando>
where you can edit the stuff you are using to edit a buffer
<rolando>
or something like that
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<JonnieCache>
it all sounds very zen
<rolando>
you need to enable it, using "enable-recursive-minibuffers"
<Osum>
if you only use emacs, then at some point you'll be comfortable with all the shortcuts
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: it's very smalltalky IMO
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<banisterfiend>
in a way
<rolando>
I should learn smalltalk one of these days
<Osum>
think about your workflow right now, you switch between a lot of applications, to read emails, check your calendar, code, check documentation, irc ,etc
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<Osum>
with emacs you can do them all from the same application, you only switch the context
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<banisterfiend>
yeah, you can even read pdf files inside emacs
<Osum>
== much less downtime
<rippa>
does it make coffee?
<rolando>
yes
<gtuckerkellogg>
I probably spend about 90% of my comptuer time in emacs
<Osum>
on the other hand I never got the hang of emacs
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: and bookmark certain pages, so u can have the pdf open in one emacs buffer, and your code in the other, so you can write code basedo n the pdf your'e reading. and when you 'bookmark' the pdf, you use the genearl emacs bookmarks, not some weird bookmark system unique to the pdf reading program
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<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: it feels really powerful, it's a differnet way of doing things. Basically, unlike VIM, which just streamlines your editing, emacs streamlines every aspect of your developent workflow
<rolando>
or tries to
<rolando>
just don't try to write java or c# in it :)
<JonnieCache>
i know a couple of ludicrous vim/tmux ninjas and simply watching them work makes my head spin.
<JonnieCache>
i like to relax a bit
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<JonnieCache>
i know thats terribly unfashionable these days, but there we are
* gtuckerkellogg
is connected to IRC via emacs
<rolando>
I should check out tmux and see if it's better than screen
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<JonnieCache>
tmux is pretty great
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<JonnieCache>
theres that other thing, byob i think its called. both seem better than screen
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<rolando>
I think byob is screen but with profiles
<rolando>
or something
<vectorshelve>
hemanth: hai dude :)
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<er1c_>
think you mean byobu
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<jacobat>
I've upgraded from 1.8.7 to 1.9.3 and now YAML parsing is dead slow... it seems that switching enging from psych to syck fixes it, but is that the recommended approach?
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<shevy>
jacobat: dunno. I use syck myself still in 1.9.3, psych goes on my nerves way too much
<jacobat>
JonnieCache: I'll check that out as well, thanks
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<shevy>
man... why did I ever use PHP
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<shevy>
JonnieCache: I like to relax too
<shevy>
both emacs and vim demand too much attention from my brain
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<shevy>
I dont want either of them to make its way into my poor brain
<verto>
shevy lol
<JonnieCache>
i can just about handle vim but each time i try it, the learning process saps too much productivity and I chicken out
<fowl>
i vimmed once
<jds>
Heya
<fowl>
wont do it again
<peterhellberg>
I think I’m falling in love with SimpleDelegator :)
<peterhellberg>
A hidden gem in the stdlib
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<JonnieCache>
peterhellberg: activerecord has that built in, I use it a lot
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<jds>
I've got a little command line ruby script that prompts the user to enter some input on STDIN. Is there a gem or standard way of adding history support to it
<JonnieCache>
it lets you pretend you have the worlds neatest database schema
<jds>
so I can up-arrow to a previously entered line
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<fowl>
jds, check out readline
<peterhellberg>
JonnieCache: I rarely use Rails/AR so it is nice to have something similar in just plain Ruby :)
<jds>
fowl: I thought it might be that. I was struggling to google for it, though - results are swamped by people struggling to compile ruby with readline support for IRB
<JonnieCache>
I imagine the AR one is built on the stdlib class
<fowl>
usually tacking "ruby" and/or "api" onto the search helps
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<peterhellberg>
I just started playing around with the Oj library, and it can do some pretty cool stuff… like dumping objects with circular references to JSON, and then load it back up again
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<JonnieCache>
peterhellberg: graph theory ahoy!
<JonnieCache>
interesting to see how theyre handling the dumping of circular references
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<peterhellberg>
They are doing some trickery with the key names
<JonnieCache>
lol it says yajl core dumps when given a circular reference
<JonnieCache>
not a good look
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<peterhellberg>
Hmm, got a tricky off-by-one error in one of my Rickshaw graphs :/ And I don’t look forward to wade through the entire library (JavaScript) to track it down :(
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<shevy>
offby1 error again?
<shevy>
offby1: you make people sad!
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<shevy>
someone should ban offby1 here :>
<shevy>
I want to use ruby rather than javascript...
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<lectrick>
Since each fixnum in Ruby has an object_id, is it possible to attach singleton methods to a fixnum?
<hoelzro>
lectrick: no
<hoelzro>
Fixnums and Symbols may not have singleton methods
<lectrick>
Also, is it possible to hook into the moment the value of an object is retrieved?
<hoelzro>
lectrick: the value?
<hoelzro>
could you elaborate?
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<banisterfiend>
lectrick: they cant have singleton methods but they can have ivars
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<hoelzro>
lectrick: do you mean when a value is pulled out of a variable?
<fowl>
lectrick, you can with an accessor
<Osum>
what is a singleton method ? is it a class method ?
<fowl>
class Foo; def x() puts "They lookin at my X again, tell em not to look at my X!"; @x end end
<lectrick>
banisterfiend: Interesting
<hoelzro>
Osum: it's a method that is bound to a single object
<hoelzro>
A class method is a singleton method like a square is a rectangle
<lectrick>
fowl: I know I can with an accessor, but what if I want to actually hook into any change to a hash
<fowl>
lectrick, define []=
<fowl>
i wouldnt recommend it for a hash
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<lectrick>
Or I want to hook into when the variable "something" is actually retrieved
<Osum>
but other objects of the same class, may not have that singleton method
<lectrick>
fowl: I know.
<lectrick>
Osum: I know. :)
<Osum>
that was a question
<Osum>
:P
<hoelzro>
Osum: correct
<banisterfiend>
lectrick: u cant do that
<hoelzro>
they will only have it if you give it to them
<lectrick>
Osum: oh. A singleton method is a method that exists only on one object instance.
<banisterfiend>
lectrick: u can only hook into accessor methods
<Osum>
hoelzro, lectrick: interesting -- what's the use case ?
<hoelzro>
lectrick: unforunately, you can't hook into variable retrieval
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<fowl>
x = Object.new; def x.hi() puts "Sup" end <- x.hi() is a singleton method
<Osum>
ah! so you can attach methods at runtime to a specific object ?
<JonnieCache>
Osum: it hinges on the fact that classes are objects
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<fowl>
Osum, sure
<Osum>
that being the use case
<JonnieCache>
so you can attach methods to a class like that. thats the most common use case
<lectrick>
Osum: well, for one thing, class methods I believe are also singleton methods
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<JonnieCache>
they are singleton methods on an object that happens to be a class
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<lectrick>
yep
<Osum>
keep getting confused by class == type
<lectrick>
Osum: Yes, or you can attach a method just to 1 object in memory. If you want to do that for some reason. The use cases beyond simple class methods vary
<JonnieCache>
ruby doesnt really have much use for the term "type" because it doesnt do type checking
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<JonnieCache>
classes are more a way of making/defining objects than reasoning about behaviour in ruby
<Osum>
I know, but old habits die hard
<fowl>
object#type used to be an alias for object#class iirc
<lectrick>
Osum: Best to not even think of types in Ruby. Everything is an object. Classes are objects. Instances of a class are objects. You can get the .class of anything, which states what that thing was modeled upon. :)
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<lectrick>
fowl: I did not know that!
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<lectrick>
Shit gets real when you get way up in the object tree though. Class.class #=> Class
<banisterfiend>
lectrick: objects are classes but objects are a different kind of thing to a class
<banisterfiend>
oops
<banisterfiend>
classes are objects i mean
<lectrick>
See, even banisterfiend gets confused.
<banisterfiend>
but not all objects are classes
<fowl>
weird
<lectrick>
Fortunately I am into mindfucks.
<fowl>
i thought Class came from Module and Module came from Class
<lectrick>
Module.class #=> Class
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<dcope>
lol
<fowl>
o righ
<JonnieCache>
when you get to the top of the tree there is some deus-ex-machine style behaviour from the interpreter to stop the universe collapsing in on itself
<fowl>
Class.superclass #=> Module
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<lectrick>
Module.ancestors #=> [Module, Object, Kernel, BasicObject] (at least in ruby 1.9-land)
<fowl>
lectrick, now check out Class.ancestors lol
<lectrick>
I think it's funny that BasicObject (a completely bare object) didn't even exist till 1.9
<peterhellberg>
When speaking of delegates ;)
<lectrick>
peterhellberg: ah yes.
<peterhellberg>
obj will then behave like 1, except for the singleton method hello
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<peterhellberg>
lectrick: Probably not what you were looking for though :)
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<lectrick>
peterhellberg: Well, similar.
<lectrick>
peterhellberg: If you define __getobj__ on a delegated object, you can hook into when its value is retrieved.
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<peterhellberg>
lectrick: Yeah, sure :)
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<shevy>
lectrick: I think that was dynamic history
<shevy>
IMO, it started when _why did this ruby sandbox thing
<shevy>
then there were problems with that
<shevy>
so eventually, I think someone suggested BasicObject
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<shevy>
_why didnt wanna publish the source of what he wrote back then :(
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<lectrick>
shevy: i miss _why. actually sat next to him at the first (? I think it was the first... or one of the first, in any event) railsconfs...
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<shevy>
cool
<lectrick>
saw his interesting musical number at one of the keynotes
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<lectrick>
anyway if some douche had only respected his privacy /grumble
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<shevy>
dunno
<shevy>
he could have chosen to react differently or?
<lectrick>
shevy: elaborate on "dynamic history"?
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<lectrick>
shevy: He could have, but clearly he was kind of insecure and could only deal with it by adopting another persona
<shevy>
well. without the _why sandbox back then, I am not sure we would ever have had BasicObject at all
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<lectrick>
Intelligence and insecurity seem to often go hand in hand so you have to use kid gloves with the real creative brains
<shevy>
a lot of ideas the ruby core team has, often seems to be brought to them by others
<shevy>
for instance, the hash syntax foo: bla
<shevy>
I think that was inspired by rails in most ways
<lectrick>
shevy: So he basically took an object and then just stripped it of all methods?
<shevy>
lectrick: I dont remember the reasoning from back then. there was the idea that you wanted to somehow make the code more secure
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<JonnieCache>
he cant have been that insecure with all his exhibitionism
<shevy>
and _why did something like basic object on his own. something like that
<lectrick>
shevy: I love the 1.9 syntax except for symbol values
<JonnieCache>
i get the impression that it was more about violating his mythos
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<shevy>
I understood even less of ruby back then than I do now, so parts of the reasons are lost to me :)
<lectrick>
JonnieCache: His anonymity enabled all that exhibitionism.
<JonnieCache>
yeah i suppose so
<lectrick>
JonnieCache: Just look at internet trolls for a simple example of that lol
<JonnieCache>
its not like he had anything to hide from though, he was a celebrated man. and also everyone knew his face.
<lectrick>
I learned object.map(&:some_method) from that guy
<shevy>
I did not know his face
<JonnieCache>
i always kinda thought OSS was another art project for him, and having his name out there broke the parameters of the project
<shevy>
but truthfully, I dont even know why I would have to care about his face
<shevy>
perhaps he didnt like to be exposed too much on the www
<lectrick>
JonnieCache: Fame can be a tough thing to deal with
<JonnieCache>
i like to imagine hes in a basement somewhere in some trendy american downtown area throwing paint at people or something
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<lectrick>
JonnieCache: That is as good a characterization as any
<lectrick>
I had an email exchange with him once that was really trippy
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<JonnieCache>
in a way though he is now immortal
<lectrick>
ok so enough _whysterbation
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<JonnieCache>
fair point heh
<lectrick>
i guess... would prefer him to still be in the community tho
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<JonnieCache>
with people like that, you should never discount the idea that anything they do is part of an elaborate joke/artistic statement
<lectrick>
which is fine
<JonnieCache>
oh indeed
<peterhellberg>
Btw, there was talk about back porting BasicObject to Ruby 1.8.8, but that won’t happen.
<lectrick>
i wish more people made artistic statements... or elaborate jokes
<peterhellberg>
We’ve had BlankSlate for years though…
<lectrick>
there is generally not enough creativity encouraged
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<JonnieCache>
its great, i love people who deliberate make myths around themselves.
<lectrick>
freshman year in college is great for that
<JonnieCache>
sun ra was the master. he was the jazz musician who came from saturn
<JonnieCache>
(via philly)
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<shevy>
lol
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<JonnieCache>
he wanted to beam all the black people off the planet using the power of music so they could leave in peace in another galaxy. what a legend.
<JonnieCache>
(i may have got that wrong, cool it jazz fans)
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<k_89>
ok now i am interested ... this _why you guys are talking about is the same guy who wrote why's poignant guide to ruby ?
<JonnieCache>
yes
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<JonnieCache>
just to be clear, he wasnt the one who wanted to trans-molecularize the black community with the power of jazz, that was sun ra
<JonnieCache>
that would be an unfortunate misunderstanding
<k_89>
heh, found an article on his disappearance ... i like stuff like this
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<k_89>
believe it or not, but same sort of thing happened in php community some time ago ... a supposedly godly developer just disappeared .. he came out a month or so ago for a day or two .. but now there's no trace of him. His pals keep looking for him on twitter from time to time .. but yes not as hyped up as _why's disappearance (no article about him disappearing)
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<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: sometimes im just in the mood for trolling
<k_89>
bit of ruby, python, js, some basics of lisp, java, C++, bit of C too
<k_89>
etc
<k_89>
no, thats it
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<banisterfiend>
k_89: by 'know' i mean actually know well, not just a bit :P
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<k_89>
wellm, than js(i know it), ruby(i know the language to a decent level), and JAVA
<k_89>
ahh, sorry for the caps
<banisterfiend>
k_89: no php?
<k_89>
you asdked which other
<banisterfiend>
true
<k_89>
php doesn't have too many concepts
<Kwpolska>
php sucks
<k_89>
ahh
<k_89>
lets not start that please.. it does not
<JonnieCache>
indeed. apart from anything else its like shooting fish in a barrel
<JonnieCache>
but mainly its boring
<shevy>
it is a simple language
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<k_89>
yeah .. bare bones programming concepts
<shevy>
it also showed that perl sucked on the www
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<k_89>
everything else is just added on to php
<banisterfiend>
k_89: in my experience most of the people think php is a good language dont know any other languages very well
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<shevy>
yeah, a bit chaotic design growth
<apeiros_>
shevy: you're aware that php was a perl framework, yes?
<shevy>
apeiros_: shows even more so that perl sucks
<apeiros_>
shevy: um, no, it only shows that you can build sucky things in perl
<k_89>
banisterfiend, i think you don't know php well enough
<apeiros_>
and I think that statement is universally true for any language.
<shevy>
well they abandoned perl
<k_89>
and of course , you don't want to
<apeiros_>
k_89: I did 6y of php. and yes, it sucks. donkey balls even.
<k_89>
apeiros_, last time when?
<shevy>
apeiros_ wrote a huge php framework :)
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<k_89>
really ? which one
<shevy>
I dunno, but I remember it had an insane amount of lines of code
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<shevy>
apeiros_ even had a time when he wrote his own programming language
<shevy>
see how silent he is about his past now :D
<apeiros_>
k_89: I'd say around php 5.1 was the last I used a lot
<k_89>
you can build good stuff in php, with expressive apis and all .. but to do that you need to do a lot of work
<apeiros_>
shevy: I still do.
<JonnieCache>
its a case of "you can do anything you need, but why would you want to, given the choice?"
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<apeiros_>
k_89: "you can build good stuff in X" does not imply that "X is good"
<k_89>
apeiros_, 5.4, and even 5.3 are much better even than 5.2
<k_89>
and iirc 5.2 is much better than 5.1
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<apeiros_>
k_89: they don't fix what's inherently wrong with php
<JonnieCache>
goddammit i will not get drawn into this conversation again...
<apeiros_>
and I think we can stop that discussion right here
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: one last time :P
<k_89>
apeiros_, the baggage ... i *hope* they will when they finally reach 6
<banisterfiend>
apeiros_: actually im curious
<apeiros_>
because I think we had that exact discussion already and you were part of it
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<k_89>
oh no
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<banisterfiend>
apeiros_: what is inherently wrong with it, how would you crystallize it in a few pithy sentences
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<apeiros_>
banisterfiend: bad concepts, inconsistent architecture, by now horrible syntax in a couple of places
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: the 'design' is fubar
<apeiros_>
you can't really fix those things without lots and lots of backwards incompatible changes.
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<apeiros_>
k_89: are arrays objects by now? strings? integers?
<k_89>
apeiros_, nope nothing like that .. arrays are arrays
<apeiros_>
k_89: do they still think a hash table, an associative array and an array is one and the same thing?
<k_89>
strings are strings, ints are ints
<k_89>
yeah
<apeiros_>
k_89: see.
<apeiros_>
anyway, fractal of bad design article. as last time.
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<banisterfiend>
apeiros_: so ints and strings aren't real objects?
<JonnieCache>
to be fair that is common
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<k_89>
yeah i know all that stuff ... but there are classes/interfaces available with which you can make a class behave like an array
<k_89>
banisterfiend, they aren't real objects
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: common in languages like java/c++/objective-c, but unforgivable in a highlevel, dynamic language, surely? :)
<apeiros_>
JonnieCache: common != good
<apeiros_>
JonnieCache: also it matters how you exhibit the fact that things are internally different
<JonnieCache>
i agree it sucks, just that its unfair to single out php for it
<banisterfiend>
JonnieCache: the reason the distinction exists in those othe rlanguages afaik is for performance or backwards compatibility with the base language (C in the case of c++ and objc)
<apeiros_>
in php, it results in a couple of syntax breaks
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<workmad3>
banisterfiend: not if the high level, dynamic language doesn't try to be a primarily OO language :)
<shevy>
php kind of is a child of the 1990es
<banisterfiend>
workmad3: well then that's an even more egregious crime :)
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<workmad3>
banisterfiend: oh, so a high level, dynamic functional language is an egregious crime? :P
<apeiros_>
k_89: yeah, those interfaces made things better. but they're horrible.
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<banisterfiend>
workmad3: no, but a high level 'procedural' one is :)
<apeiros_>
k_89: compare to rubys Enumerable, #each and #[]
<mdszy>
I totally just wrote a near 500 word explanation of how that RPN calculator thing I made works.
<mdszy>
500 words. for 131 characters of Ruby.
<lectrick>
So it's not possible to swap 2 objects given their object ID's eh?
<k_89>
apeiros_, ruby is a much better language .. i mainly like php cos of how small learning curve it has .. even the advanced stuff is easy
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<k_89>
html+css => web-app is shortest via php route
<banisterfiend>
k_89: exactly, it's designed for 13 year olds, and people without a strong compsci background... :P (/troll)
* apeiros_
doubts that many rubyists have strong cs background…
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<mdszy>
I have zero CS background!
<apeiros_>
k_89: the learning curve may be small, the exceptions curve however is steep
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<Hanmac>
apeiros_ #[] is not from Enumerable or used from there ... some enumerables are not finite
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<k_89>
i gotta admit i haven't used raw php after first 2 months of php-dev ... there are nice libraries avialabel, i prefer just using them
<apeiros_>
Hanmac: that was not the point. it was about making a class array-like.
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<k_89>
and there are some decent frameworks which just hit the right balance between features/flexibility/learning curve
<apeiros_>
meh
<apeiros_>
but well, who knows, maybe that has changed.
<k_89>
apeiros_, if you can, check out laravel, my current goto php framework
<k_89>
its really good
<apeiros_>
k_89: I don't intend to waste my time, sorry
<k_89>
hehe
<k_89>
np
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<apeiros_>
k_89: I have no problem if you like php. to each his own. but saying php was not a crappy piece of tech… well… with that I do have a problem :-p
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<johnernaut>
there was probably much shitting of the pants
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<shevy>
no I mean
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<shevy>
C goes hand in hand with UNIX
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<shevy>
with lisp, I cant really name anything that is a "must use"
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<workmad3>
shevy: emacs and AI
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<shevy>
AI
<shevy>
where is skynet man
<shevy>
and
<banisterfiend>
k_89: i would guess programmers who started with C ended up being better programmers than those who started with PHP
<shevy>
in what language will it be :)
<workmad3>
shevy: lost in the depths of some lisp machine somewhere :)
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<johnernaut>
skynet will be in Dart
<banisterfiend>
well i cant say that..
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<johnernaut>
uhh, or apparently JavaScript
<workmad3>
johnernaut: nah, skynet will just be an emergent property of the internet as a whole as more and more devices are connected to it
<k_89>
banisterfiend, php has lots of programmers who are just in for quick money .... that type usually just remains mediocre... any of the big-time php developer would be fully capable of holding their own in any lang they wish
<johnernaut>
indeed.
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<workmad3>
k_89: yes... but most of those developers probably *are* programming in other languages
<workmad3>
k_89: and it doesn't stop PHP being a crappily designed language, just means that a good developer can cope with bad tools
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<k_89>
yeah
<workmad3>
k_89: in a pinch, a carpenter can bang in nails with the end of a screwdriver... doesn't mean he will choose to do so
<johnernaut>
k_89 I think I used to see you in the CodeIgniter channel quite frequently
<banisterfiend>
what's codeigniter?
<offby1>
Is there something like String.to_i that will return nil if the string cannot be parsed as an integer?
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: some crap PHP framework
<k_89>
johnernaut, yeah it was my first 'framework'
<workmad3>
</troll>
<k_89>
dropeed it about 7-8 months ago
<k_89>
workmad3, yeah, these days, codeigniter is sorta crap
<offby1>
answering my own question: Integer('123', 10)
<k_89>
to argue 'for' php in #ruby :p
<JonnieCache>
the best thing about that hammer pic is its not a photochop. they guy actually made that hammer
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<workmad3>
k_89: does PHP 5.4 move away from the 'your file structure is your URL structure' craziness?
<workmad3>
k_89: does 5.4 introduce closures where you *don't* need to explicitly import all the variables you actually want in the closure, making the 'closure' essentially a different function definition?
<workmad3>
k_89: and yes, I don't doubt PHP is 'better than I think'... that is a far cry from being good though, just less bad ;)
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<workmad3>
k_89: oh, and while we're at it... has 5.4 cleaned up the date processing functions so that they actually form some sort of cohesive unit and isn't filled with weird clutter?
<banisterfiend>
k_89: so, if codeigniter was your first framework, and you only moved away from it 8 months ago; it sounds to me like you're a really new programmer :P so maybe haven't yet the experience to properly evaluate the language/ecosystem? :)
<JonnieCache>
_bart: probably not. im guessing its more to do with the libxml library
<JonnieCache>
_bart: have you recently changed or rebuilt your ruby?
<_bart>
yep
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<JonnieCache>
basically if you change your libxml without rebuilding your nokogiri, or the other way around, it can cause crazy problems
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<JonnieCache>
so in short, remove and reinstall nokogiri
<JonnieCache>
that applies in general to ruby libs that link to C libs
<_bart>
"If you've somehow installed the x86-mswin32-60 gem in your RubyInstaller environment, the gem linked against a different Ruby version (MSVCRT-RUBY18.DLL) than the 1.9.1 version you're running. This issue is a known cause of segfaults."
<JonnieCache>
i dont know ruby on windows so i cant comment
<JonnieCache>
but that basically is the same as what i was describing
<shevy>
hehe
<_bart>
ah I'm on a mac so..
<JonnieCache>
ok well that doesnt apply
<_bart>
but ehm, I just did gem install nikogiri and still segfaulting!
<_bart>
noko*
<JonnieCache>
did you remove it first?
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<_bart>
nope
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<Hanmac>
JonnieCache: yeah DAUs are never listening :P
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<JonnieCache>
eh?
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<JonnieCache>
oh
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<JonnieCache>
hmm your words not mine
<_bart>
alright, removed it first but still segfaults
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<_bart>
reinstalling libxml2..
<ksk>
hey guys. how do i strip a "carriage return/linebreak" from a variable?
<JonnieCache>
ksk: string.chomp
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<SheikPunk>
hello guys, i have an rails app which gets a content data from a xml file and store it in a mysql table. after store that content i have characters in this content when i get data from database… i mean, this a encoding problem.
<SheikPunk>
my table is UTF-8
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<SheikPunk>
the XML says UTF-8 too… but i think that xml have some char non UTF-8
<SheikPunk>
somebody can help?
<SheikPunk>
i tried Iconv to fix… but not works for me.
<duper>
do you have # encoding: utf-8 set below the shebang line?
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<SheikPunk>
duper: my problem is with mysql text data, not with ruby files.
<apeiros_>
duper: the # encoding comment only deals with string literals in the code of that file.
<apeiros_>
(and regex literals)
<SheikPunk>
apeiros_: yep
<apeiros_>
SheikPunk: you use ruby 1.9?
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<Hanmac>
SheikPunk didnt the MySQL connection has an encoding type too?
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<burgestrand>
AFAIK rails takes care of that. Used to be a big problem for PHPists.
<SheikPunk>
Hanmac: let me check
<burgestrand>
Well, still is.
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<burgestrand>
SheikPunk: what do the bad characters look like?
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<SheikPunk>
Hanmac: yes i had the encoding in database.yml file
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<apeiros_>
SheikPunk: maybe you missed it - you use ruby 1.9?
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<jmdeldin>
Hello, What's the best way to implement a block without a subject (i.e., passing in a variable)? I'm toying around with them, and wondering if this is possible: https://gist.github.com/0a4654d3f95dfa4d3dcc
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<apeiros_>
jmdeldin: you're looking for instance_eval?
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<apeiros_>
also, if you don't pass on the block, don't use &block + block.call, use yield instead. less taxing on the runtime.
<jmdeldin>
apeiros_: Thanks, that looks like it'll work!
<jmdeldin>
Thanks for the note about blocks too
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<mrevd>
hey all i'm getting an error im not familiar with when trying to use the cloudapp_api gem. /Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/cloudapp_api-0.3.3/lib/cloudapp/drop.rb:108:in `create': undefined method `merge!' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
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<apeiros_>
mrevd: `undefined method `merge!' for nil:NilClass` is the relevant part.
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<apeiros_>
tells you that you (probably indirectly) try to do nil.merge!(…)
<apeiros_>
Hanmac: I generally try to avoid looking at other people's code - it's usually too much horror
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<iaindalton>
I'm reading <http://guides.rubygems.org/what-is-a-gem/> and trying the examples. It says for 1.8 (which is what Ubuntu seems to default to), I need to require 'rubygems' before I can require 'ap'. I did so, but I still get a 'no such file' error. What do I need to do?
<apeiros_>
Hanmac: ew, singleton pattern for the authentication. instafail IMO
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<iaindalton>
neither work
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<apeiros_>
iaindalton: you did install the gem before trying to require it, yes?
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<iaindalton>
apeiros_: No. I have never used Ruby, and I thought I could just follow the examples.
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<apeiros_>
iaindalton: gems are not part of ruby. they are additional packages which you install by using the gem command.
<apeiros_>
depending on your system, it is either `gem install awesome_print` or `sudo gem install awesome_print`
<iaindalton>
By Ruby I assume you mean its standard library?
<apeiros_>
after that, you can use it, e.g. like that: irb, then in irb: require 'rubygems'; require 'awesome_print'; ap [1,2,3]
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<apeiros_>
by ruby I mean ruby and everything that is considered part of a standard ruby installation
<apeiros_>
(sadly, apt is a bad citizen there)
<iaindalton>
Error: circular reference
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<apeiros_>
o0
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<burgestrand>
:3
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<shevy>
iaindalton: make sure the gem you try to use is installed
<shevy>
"gem list"
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<shevy>
also look at "gem env" output.
<shevy>
debian, for reasons only aliens understand, changes the default of gems, so no wonder things dont work as easy anymore. and debian repackages ruby, which is annoying too
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<Mon_Ouie>
iaindalton: What gives you that error message anyway? Running gem install awesome_print?
<iaindalton>
I realized the gem I installed interfaces w/ Java so I need to use JRuby. Typing jruby at the terminal starts a program but gives no output. Does jruby just take a long time to start the first time?
<headius>
no output?
<headius>
ever?
<Mon_Ouie>
Isn't that what's supposed to happen?
<Mon_Ouie>
Just like when you run ruby with no arguments — waiting for you to input code and then running it when you send EOF
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<shevy>
iaindalton: what happens if you interrupt it via ctr-c
<blazes816>
iaindalton: jruby -e "puts 'woot!'"
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<iaindalton>
shevy: it quits with a return value of 130
<iaindalton>
blazes816: bash: !'": event not found
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<iaindalton>
removing the bang works though
<blazes816>
iaindalton: weird. it was working, but now it's doing the same to me
<blazes816>
either way, you get the point
<blazes816>
run it with a script
<apeiros_>
blazes816: ! is a special char to bash
<apeiros_>
you must use single quotes to use it in an arg
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<apeiros_>
jruby -e 'puts "woot!"'
<apeiros_>
(! does history substitution otherwise)
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<iaindalton>
yeah, but how do I get a JRuby REPL?
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<apeiros_>
since your ruby is called jruby, I'd assume jirb
<iaindalton>
aha! that did it
<blazes816>
how clever
<iaindalton>
dey turk err jirbs!
<blazes816>
lol
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<iaindalton>
Still got issues. One "sudo gem install mondrian-olap" later, and after giving jirb "require 'rubygems'", "require 'mondrian-olap'" raises a LoadError
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<iaindalton>
It can't find the gem
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<apeiros_>
the require and the gem-name don't have to be the same (sadly)
<apeiros_>
read the docs of mondrian-olap, to see what you have to require.
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<iaindalton>
The docs say I'm typing it right
<apeiros_>
oh, you install it with gem and try to use it in jirb?
<apeiros_>
you probably have to use jgem too…
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<Mon_Ouie>
Did you literally type require 'rubygems', require 'mondrian-olap'?
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<Mon_Ouie>
Because that would require mondrian-olap *before* rubygems
<Mon_Ouie>
(and not do what you want, either way)
<apeiros_>
Mon_Ouie: I bet it's gem vs. jgem
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<Mon_Ouie>
Oh, didn't think about that
<apeiros_>
nobody does.
<apeiros_>
everbody uses rvm
<apeiros_>
or something similar
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* Hanmac
did not use rvm or jruby
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<shevy>
me neither
<shevy>
quite a big fragmentation if you think about it
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<apeiros_>
kiji
<Hanmac>
ironruby is turned into useless rust :D
<blazes816>
ree?
<iaindalton>
sorry, was afk. Ubuntu has no jgem
<shevy>
yeah well mruby will still take a while. ironruby is dead
<shevy>
dont know rubymotion, what is that?
<iaindalton>
Also, Mon_Ouie: how would require 'rubygems', require 'mondrian-olap' require mondrian-olap *before* rubygems if I'm typing it after?
<blazes816>
shevy: have you not been on the internet the last few weeks?
<Mon_Ouie>
It's parsed like require("rubygems", require("mondrian-olap"))
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<iaindalton>
well I'm typing them on separate lines
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<Mon_Ouie>
i.e. the second require(…) is passed as an argument to the first, and therefore needs to be evaluated before the first one
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<iaindalton>
also, that certainly violates the principle of least surprise ;-) how does ; work in Ruby?
<Mon_Ouie>
And generally, the order in which code is not written does not equate the order in which it is run
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<Mon_Ouie>
Notice that was a comma, not a semi-colon
<iaindalton>
I assume typing one line into the REPL, hitting enter, then typing another and hitting enter will evaluate them in the order typed
<iaindalton>
Oh, got it
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<Mon_Ouie>
Yeah, but think about loops (or any flow-control structure, actually) or method definitions
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<iaindalton>
I get what you're saying. I just misread your comma as a semicolon
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<shevy>
blazes816: not much! only watching youtube videos... and trying to finish porting my oldest project to the new structure (still ongoing...)
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<nullsign>
whenever i convert a str to a int, .to_i / it adds a ".0" to the number..
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<nullsign>
is there a good way to prevent that? or strip it off?
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<shevy>
"5".to_i# => 5
<nullsign>
for some reason, my 0.to_i => 0.0
<nullsign>
very odd..
<shevy>
sounds non standard behaviour
<shevy>
0.to_f would do that
<Mon_Ouie>
There must be a monkey patch somewhere
<shevy>
yeah
<nullsign>
..
<Hanmac>
oO
<Mon_Ouie>
How do you actually print the result?
<nullsign>
puts
<Mon_Ouie>
Then yeah, some library must have redefined to_s or to_i
<nullsign>
is there a way i can stirp off the .0 ?
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<Hanmac>
nullsign what does this output:
<Hanmac>
0.method(:to_i).source_location
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<nullsign>
hanmac; im not sure how to alter that for my case.
<Hanmac>
0.method(:to_s).source_location
<nullsign>
i can't enter that like that.. directly.
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<shevy>
the proper way is to not use whatever changed the core class here
<Mon_Ouie>
You can't change your own code?
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<nullsign>
eh.. give me a sec.
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<shevy>
it is non-default behaviour, so you would just patch something that was wrong in the first place. but nothing stops you from modifying class Integer or wherever else that change was done
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<nullsign>
couldnt i just round or strip off the decimal?
<Mon_Ouie>
That's what #to_i does.
<Mon_Ouie>
(the latter, that is; former is #round)
<nullsign>
for some reason .to_i is adding a decimal..
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<nullsign>
everything gets a .0
<shevy>
yeah. some idiot changed it
<Mon_Ouie>
That's why we wonder where it was redefined
<shevy>
whoever it was, fire that guy quickly
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<nullsign>
nothing was changed.. this ruby was a default centos install build
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<Hanmac>
nullsign my code should show you where it happend
<nullsign>
hanmac: im not sure how to implement your code.
<shevy>
nullsign: nope. 100% sure that this is not default
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<Hanmac>
nullsign, where you have a 0.to_i , but my code prefore that (and output it)
<kalib>
Hi people, I'm just starting with ruby. I'm trying to use a simple example like this: " puts 'cação' " And I'm receving an error: invalid multibyte char (US-ASCII). But, if I try only " puts 'cacao' ", works just fine.
<shevy>
try Hanmac's code in irb
<shevy>
nullsign: you can use irb on your computer?
<nullsign>
i can use irb; yes
<shevy>
kalib: I cant see the first example
<nullsign>
what would .source_location be?
<shevy>
it shows me ca??o
<shevy>
Hanmac: I think he is using ruby 1.8.x
<kalib>
SheikPunk, just a second.
<nullsign>
1.8.7
<nullsign>
yes
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<kalib>
shevy, just a second..
<shevy>
SheikPunk? :D
<SheikPunk>
shevy: thats ok
<SheikPunk>
:D
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
what a nick!
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<nullsign>
is 1.8.7 bad?
<shevy>
nullsign: I think .source_location was added fully only on 1.9.x
<Mon_Ouie>
Oh, that doesn't make it easier; Pry does implement source_location if needed
<zipace>
hi, i'd like to use ruby in a CGI app (yeah yeah, CGI is bad, etc... it's not for a public site), however, ERB seems to rely on global variables (see http://codepad.org/6zZTrtn0)... is there a way to make ERB use a defined environment of available variables, i.e., erb_instance.set_env({:some_var => "some value"}), instead of global variables?
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<beakerman>
any idea why calling #body on my Net::HTTPResponse would return a Net::ReadAdapter? this only happens to some of my response, others are returning the actual body string as expected
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<bperry>
beakerman: chunked response
<beakerman>
bperry: but if I try to use read_body it throws an IOError saying that the body was already read
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<zipace>
anyone? or is that question too silly? :-P
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<hashar>
hello. Is it possible to define a rake target that will do just like 'rake --tasks' ? Would like to do that as a default target so users get the list of tasks when running 'rake'
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<zipace>
I suppose it is...
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<burgestrand>
hashar: you *could* define a default task that, when invoked, just execs "rake -T"
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<burgestrand>
There ought to be a cleaner way to do it through Rake though. :)
<hashar>
burgestrand: ohh did not though about that :-D
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<burgestrand>
The only downside I see is that rake will be executed twice (so, if your rake command takes five minutes to run, it’s now 10 minutes).
<hashar>
I am a rake noob :-D
<hashar>
so it is not going to take too much time I guess
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<eph3meral>
are there any other particular options other than regex for doing stuff like ActiveSupport::Inflector#humanize without requiring ActiveSupport?
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<hashar>
burgestrand: looks fine as a workaround. Thanks!
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<zipace>
am i being ignored?
<apeiros_>
eph3meral: the point of looking for that requirement being?
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<apeiros_>
zipace: read the docs of ERB, ERB#initialize and ERB#result
<apeiros_>
that covers about all of what influences ERB
<apeiros_>
you can use the command line tool `ri` to access the docs
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<eph3meral>
apeiros_, to not rely on a bulky library such as ActiveSupport
<hashar>
burgestrand: thanks a lot !
<apeiros_>
eph3meral: that's only half of your requirement
<eph3meral>
not a big deal, i just used a regex, it does what I need
<burgestrand>
hashar: :)
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<hashar>
rake is much easier than ant :-]
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<shevy>
ant is still using XML?
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<jwg2s>
using ruby 1.9.3 and parse strings into dates with Date.parse… its unbelievable slow for large quantities. I've read about Time.parse but can't seem to get that to work… How do you all do this?
<hashar>
shevy: I guess so. I have did my change editing XML files
<hashar>
I would use rake if Jenkins supported it nicely
<burgestrand>
jwg2s: had a user group meeting once about making quick date parsing in ruby about a year ago or two, our findings were that Time.parse were almost just as slow
<burgestrand>
jwg2s: if you know the format of the date, I believe our fastest try was to use Time.civil (or what it’s called) and using string ranges to pick out each individual value
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<burgestrand>
Time.civil(date[0, 4], …) etc
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<jwg2s>
Gotcha, sort of what I was afraid of
<jwg2s>
not too bad
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<Azure>
I've noticed that each_with_object, when you pass in a fixnum (for instance, ary.each_with_object(0) {|ary,memo| ... }) that memo stays at 0 each iteration.
<Azure>
I guess in order to have an integer that I add/subtract etc. from, that I would have to have a variable outside of the block?
<apeiros_>
Azure: that's the point of each_with_object
<Azure>
I would expect memo to return the updated value.
<apeiros_>
it will always yield *the same* object as the one you passed as its argument
<blazes816>
Azure: sounds like you want Enumerable#inject
<apeiros_>
your expectation is wrong. that's the moment when you go and read the docs.
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<apeiros_>
and ^
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<Azure>
What I meant, was that on the second iteration, it also returns 0. And the third, fourth, &c. If I used an array though, that would give me the updated array each iteration. (for instance, [1,2,3,4].each_with_object([]) {|v,m| m << v+10 })
<iaindalton>
Can Ruby load and execute a file then drop to a REPL, like Python can with the -i flag?
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<Azure>
So I guess there's something wrong with my approach.
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<apeiros_>
Azure: no, it does not yield the updated array. it yields the same array. and since you *modified* it, the modification is visible too
<blazes816>
Azure: it passes the same array, and you modify it
<elvis4526>
What does it mean? optparse is a variable right?
<apeiros_>
yes
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<apeiros_>
elvis4526: yes
<elvis4526>
you assign OptionParser.new do|opts| to the optparse variable
<Azure>
I see. So because Fixnum is what it is, then 0 is still 0 even if I update memo.
<apeiros_>
elvis4526: you assign the return value of OptionParser.new, yes
<Azure>
(even if I pass in a variable that is a fixnum.)
<blazes816>
Azure: yeah. Look at Enumerable#inject or Enumerable#reduce
<elvis4526>
okay. I understand. And what is the method in OptionParser.new? Is it new?
<apeiros_>
it's the class method new, which invokes the instance method initialize
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<elvis4526>
Ok. How do you call OptionParser? What is his name
<rking>
I never *quite* understood why you don't just define self.new instead of initialize
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<rking>
I'm sure there is plenty good reason for it, I just never understood it.
<blazes816>
rking: not positive, but I think it's a hold over mentality from lower-level days. In C++ for example there is often a difference between 'constructors' which reserve memory, and 'initializers' which set default values.
<Mon_Ouie>
If you define self.new, self is the class, not the instance
<elvis4526>
Oh, optionparser is called a class
<elvis4526>
I just read it on internet at the same time that you posted it
<elvis4526>
lol
<Mon_Ouie>
So you 1) you need a method to allocate the instance anyway (e.g. allocate) and 2) you can't set ivars or call private methods that easily… it makes more sense for the initialize method to be on the object itself
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<Azure>
Right now, my code is essentially: result = 0; ary.each {|a| result += a }; return result
<elvis4526>
Next question, what does do mean?
<Azure>
And I'm trying to eliminate that exterior variable and return.
<elvis4526>
It will do |opts| ?
<sepp2k>
blazes816: "In C++ for example there is often a difference between 'constructors' which reserve memory, and 'initializers' which set default values" No, there isn't.
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<sepp2k>
Constructors in C++ don't reserve the memory for the object that's being constructed. That happens automatically for stack variables and using the new-operator for heap-variables.
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<rking>
Mon_Ouie: Right. The "self" thing is definitely strong.
<rking>
I wonder if you could define self.new and somehow make it equivalent to the existing one.
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<Mon_Ouie>
def self.new(*args, &block); o = allocate; o.__send__(:initialize, *args, &block); o; end
<bricker88>
I am writing a wrapper method for another method. I want the wrapper to accept any arguments and pass those arguments on to the other method by: def wrapper(*args): other_method(args); end. The problem is that the other method specifies the args: (num=5, options={}), etc. Is the only way to fix this to also accept an array in the other method, and split it up inside?
<sepp2k>
rking: You mean define a new method that behaves like the built-in new method? Yes, you can do that: o = allocate; o.send(:initialize); o
<elvis4526>
in french, they say "paramètre" on the tutorial. It is a class, right?
<elvis4526>
Or it is a parameter
<sepp2k>
Ahrg, Mon_Ouie answered first... and better.
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<Mon_Ouie>
elvis4526: do … end is one syntax to pass a block to a method
<rking>
Oh, I didn't know there actually was an allocate.
<rking>
I wonder what some uses of it are.
<Mon_Ouie>
You can define other methods to create new instances without calling #initialize on them using this
<rking>
Perhaps doing sneaky stuff with .new
<rking>
Mon_Ouie: Aha
<rking>
Excellent.
<rking>
Mon_Ouie: Some day you'll have to teach me your study techniques. You really know your stuff.
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<Mon_Ouie>
That's easy, I never "studied" Ruby, I just started to code in Ruby and learnt on the stack ;)
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<Mon_Ouie>
(and well, being here did help learning it better)
<rking>
On the stack?
<whitenoise>
rking, he codes on a stack of pancakes
<Mon_Ouie>
"by doing"? Isn't that the right idiom?
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<whitenoise>
no one in rspec is responding, anybody want to take a stab at my weird rspec issue?
<Mon_Ouie>
(I also learnt English by doing :p)
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<jparkton>
Im thinking of setting up a bbs for programmers and system admins does anyone want to join up?
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<rking>
jparkton: What baud?
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<jparkton>
not sure yet
<jparkton>
just planning stage right now
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<rking>
1,200 or I'm out.
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<rking>
Actually a dial-up BBS would be a pretty hardcore place to hang out these days.
<rking>
I'd do it.
<apeiros_>
rking: you define initialize and not self.new because self.new has no access to instance variables
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<rking>
apeiros_: Yeah, makes sense.
<rking>
I'm glad I asked. Otherwise I'd plod along kind of wondering why and someday be embarrassed for not knowing.
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<hubble>
anyone here used ruby-oembed with Flickr?
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<shevy>
NOT ME
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<rking>
ME NEITHER
<theRoUS>
ruby 1.8.7. i'm sure this is staring me in the face, but i'm tired. given a reference array of [:a, :b, :c] and a test array containing 0-3 of those in any order, assume that they are cumulatively mandatory. that is, the test array may be [], or be [:a], or be [:a, :b] (or [:b, :a]) or can have all three.
<theRoUS>
what is *not* allowed is :b without also :a, or :c without both :a and :b
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<apeiros_>
theRoUS: unordered_equal reference[0,test.size], test
<apeiros_>
have to look where I have the assert_unordered_equal lying around
<theRoUS>
apeiros_: this isn't in a test case, though. this is in app code.
<theRoUS>
but the basic concept should be portable
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<apeiros_>
hm, I doubt that was my latest implementation of it, but the basic idea is the same: http://pastie.org/4246133
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<Xethron>
ooooooh-kay
<Xethron>
So, I thought about what everyone said last time... And I thought about creating a new "system". Want to get an opinion on this
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<Xethron>
I have a IRC bot, and I want to store data for every user and channel the bot is in. So I thought of creating a struct inside a hash table...
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<Xethron>
so chan["#ruby"][:title] = Title
<Xethron>
so chan["#ruby"][:users] = Array of users
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<Xethron>
so chan["#ruby"][:modes] = Ccntm
<Xethron>
or something like that....
<Xethron>
same for the users
<Xethron>
user["Xethron"][:host] = host
<Xethron>
sound wise?
<Xethron>
Any opinions welcome
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<Gavilan>
Xethron: What's your problem again? (Repeat by priv, I was AWOL)
<rking>
Gavilan: That's odd. I'm talking to the IRC user "AWOL" in another channel.
<Mon_Ouie>
I don't really like that idea. I’d rather have channels and users be actual ruby objects with actual methods to interact with them — instead of just plain hashes
<Gavilan>
rking: He stole my nick, evil liar!!!!
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<Gavilan>
Mon_Ouie: That sounds wise....
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<Xethron>
Mon_Ouie: I'm not sure I really understand what you mean?
<davidcelis>
why not have actual Channel, User classes
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<Gavilan>
Xethron: You can model all your data in an excel table... but that has an incredible semantic gap to the thing of "real life" you are modeling... And that'll bring you problems....
<andrewhl>
is this valid syntax for a rescue: rescue Error do stuff end?
<Mon_Ouie>
Yeah, that; this way, instead of just having data, you have proper classes to add the methods that will handle those data
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<Mon_Ouie>
andrewhl: That depends on where you put new lines/semicolons
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<andrewhl>
Mon_Ouie: rescue Error { stuff }?
<Gavilan>
Xethron: For example, if you are processing user and channels data, you'll probably want to consider when a user changes his nick, he is still the same user...
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<burgestrand>
andrewhl: rescue Error; stuff; end;
<Gavilan>
or that different users can have the same nick as different times or servers
<andrewhl>
ok thanks
<Gavilan>
but they have a better chance of being the same ppl
<Gavilan>
you may have cloned channels too....
<burgestrand>
andrewhl: semicolons are linebreaks
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<Mon_Ouie>
rescue isn't a method that accepts a block, it's part of the syntax itself
<Gavilan>
doing that with your "dictionary" structure will be a nightmare....
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<Xethron>
Gavilan: Yes, indeed: But even with a class, that data still needs to be "handeled"
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<Xethron>
Or, "stored"
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<Xethron>
So, in what way will one store the data?
<Xethron>
or am I missing the point here?
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<Xethron>
Because even though the class will handle all that data, I still need a way to store it in the ram...
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<ctor>
Thanks. Reading.
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<workmad3>
also, none of them are method modifiers
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<workmad3>
not in the sense that you'd do 'def static foo' or 'def protected bar' anyway :)
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<shadoi>
Yeah, I found it odd how private/protected are used
<shadoi>
I sort of wish it used some kind of block syntax or something
<workmad3>
shadoi: well, one style is class-macro like, which makes sense for ruby, the other style is actually pretty similar to C++
<ctor>
I think I'll just leave everything public (the default?) and come back to this when I have a better understanding of the basics.
<bricker88>
I'm having a problem… https://gist.github.com/3101337 sphinx_spec is extended and I can use it like describe "something" { sphinx_spec }. However, teardown_sphinx and setup_sphinx are throwing an error, `undefined method `setup_sphinx' for #<RSpec::Core::ExampleGroup::Nested_35::Nested_2`
<ctor>
I'm still re-training my pinky not to hit the semi-colon every line
<shadoi>
ctor: yes, generally it's fine to revisit this.
<bricker88>
I'm including that in spec_helper.rb with: config.include ContentBaseHelpers
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<workmad3>
ctor: yeah, you'll probably also find that by the time you're revisiting it, you also know how to circumvent things anyway :)
<ctor>
Thanks for the info nonetheless :)
<workmad3>
bricker88: you've got the wrong context
<workmad3>
bricker88: if you want to use setup_sphinx and teardown_sphinx in the before and after blocks, you should include them as instance methods, not extend them as class methods
<bricker88>
d'oh
<bricker88>
let me give that a whirl
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<workmad3>
bricker88: also, you may actually find it better to move that all into an rspec configure block and key it all on spec metadata ;)
<workmad3>
bricker88: rather than module inclusion
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<bricker88>
workmad3: <3 works like a charm. I don't understand what you mean by that, can you explain?
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<workmad3>
bricker88: well, at the moment to 'enable' your sphinx stuff, you need to do 'include MyWhateverModule'
<workmad3>
bricker88: and if you wanted to not run your sphinx tests, you'd have a hard time
<bricker88>
Oh yeah - you mean sort of like cucumber's @tagname ?
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<bricker88>
workmad3: oooooo I didn't know I could do that
<bricker88>
neat, thank you
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<workmad3>
bricker88: you can inspect the metadata inside the before block and turn on stuff depending on it
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<Edin>
hi :)
<mdszy>
hihi
<Edin>
can you help me with my code?
<Edin>
im getting an error when i should't be
<mdszy>
depends
<mdszy>
okay, what's the code?
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<mdszy>
pastebin
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<Edin>
frame.add(game); the error is The method add(Component) in the type Container is not applicable for the arguments (Display)
<Edin>
and i already import javax.swing.JFrame;
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<mdszy>
Wait what
<mdszy>
you're talking about Java
<mdszy>
and this is #ruby
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<Edin>
yah I noticed, but I couldnt find a java room and I though maybe, hopfully someone here could help
<mdszy>
No. Go away.
<Edin>
oh well you nice..
<mdszy>
you might as well have tried in any other programming language based channel
<mdszy>
I don't know why you thought to try in a completely unrelated room
<Edin>
Im going to a general once
<mdszy>
*channel
<mdszy>
what?
<Edin>
general one*
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<mdszy>
sounds fun, good luck, Edin
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<true_techie>
these two objects share the same information? a_book = BookInStock.new, another_book = BookInStock.new
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<mdszy>
true_techie: No, they're separate objects.
<mdszy>
if you did
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a_book = BookInStock.new
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<mdszy>
another_book = a_book
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<mdszy>
then they would have the same information
<mdszy>
I believe
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<mdszy>
try it yourself, true_techie. Open an `irb` session and try doing like `obj = Object.new`, and `another_object = Object.new`. They'll have different IDs (those long hex numbers that get printed)
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<true_techie>
ok
<mdszy>
but if you do `third_obj = obj`, then the ID will be the same
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