apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<ruby-lang266> quick beginner question: if a class created a hash in it's initialise method, and the hash could potentially be extended in the future to include more values, would it make sense to extract the hash into a module so that the class remained closed to modification?
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<bnagy> ruby-lang266: classes are never closed to modification in ruby
<bnagy> also, adding values to a hash isn't 'extending' it
<apeiros> ruby-lang266: just copy the hash with dup
<ruby-lang266> right - I'm thinking about the open/closed principle here - if I add a new behaviour to this system I'd rather not need to add more code to this class which is why I was thinking of pulling out the hash.
<|jemc|> bnagy: let's muddy the waters here and say:
<|jemc|> >> Hash.freeze
<eval-in__> |jemc| => Hash (https://eval.in/222263)
<|jemc|> :D
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<|jemc|> ruby-lang266: don't actually do this
<ruby-lang266> disclamer - I am a native .net developer so I'm probably bringing some baggage with me into the Ruby world.
* womble is of the mindset that if only certain keys are valid in a hash, then it *probably* shouldn't be a hash
<bnagy> ok, well (just imho) I am not a fan of making custom classes that are basically just basic data storage types with different names
<bnagy> but if you're going to then compose, don't inherit
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<bnagy> what is this hash doing, anyway. Give more detail, get better idiomatic pattern advice :)
<ruby-lang266> I would usually be using an IoC container but it doesn't seem to be a big pattern with ruby which makes me think I don't need it. bnagy: is MyModule::my_method considered inheritance? Or is that basically a static method in a name spec?
<ruby-lang266> *namespace
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<bnagy> inheritance would look like MyStupidConfigClass < Hash
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<bnagy> as opposed to MyLessStupidButStillABitStupidConfigClass < DelegateClass(Hash)
<apeiros> ruby-lang266: there are only instance methods in ruby. classes and modules are objects.
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<bnagy> still in the realm of general advice, imho ruby uses less of the protected / open / closed patterns than some other languages
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<bnagy> given that they're largely pointless, so they're really only useful for readability and conveying intent
<ruby-lang266> Basically I refactored some conditionals and replaced them with a hash lookup, so instead of if this, create this type - it just looks up the type in a hash. It's like a poor mans strategy pattern.
<bnagy> bear in mind that not every rubyist will agree with all of the stuff I'm saying here
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<bnagy> well based on that tiny amount of info, I'd probably prefer to see it written as a case statement
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<bnagy> you can do some nice looking stuff with when *[ThisClass, ThatClass] ... when OtherClass ...
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<bnagy> which has been called when-be-splat if you want to google
<ruby-lang266> when-be-splat, cheers I'll take a look at that
<bnagy> but it's a smelly pattern because it's not duck typed
<ruby-lang266> ok I googled it - I don't like it :) I think I'll continue on refactoring towards a strategy and then spend some time reading about modules afterwards.
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<|jemc|> ruby-lang266: good plan - it's a great opportunity for you to experiment and get to know the range of your options
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<ruby-lang266> what are peoples feelings towards immutable data types in ruby using public attr_reader and private attr_writer methods in a class?
<banister> ruby-lang266 sounds fine to me
<banister> ruby-lang266 though you don't even need the attr_writer in that case
<banister> just update the ivar directly
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<|jemc|> ruby-lang266: sounds reasonable; though you should know a user can always get to private methods or instance variables through one way or another - it's just considered bad practice, and a sign that the user's code is likely to break things or be broken
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<|jemc|> ruby-lang266: the public/private distinction is often used to denote "public API" vs "private implementation detail that could change at any time"
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<|jemc|> If you're trying to make things actually immutable, take a look at the #freeze method
<|jemc|> there are various gems that also may be interesting to you for immutability, including "hamster" and "ice_nine"
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<ruby-lang266> in retrospect I think I was just going for public api vs private implementation detail.
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<ruby-lang266> but thanks for the heads up on the gems
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<zenspider> private attr_writer shouldn't even be possible, tho it is. it does warn when you create one
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<havenwood> g'morn
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<[spoiler]> morning pees
<[spoiler]> pees
<[spoiler]> peeps
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<yorickpeterse> "We're doing maintenance with central heating below you, so we'll need to turn off your heating for a bit. We'll be there at 08:15"
<yorickpeterse> it's now 09:02, still nobody in sight
<[spoiler]> yorickpeterse, maybe they were there, but they are ninjas
<yorickpeterse> I've been awake since 07:00
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<yorickpeterse> honestly if these people aren't here before 10 I'm off to the office
<[spoiler]> oh
<[spoiler]> you're home?
<[spoiler]> When they schedule work at 8 am here, they don't arrive until after noon :/
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<yorickpeterse> HAHAHAHA
<yorickpeterse> I'm on the phone
<yorickpeterse> they fucked up
<yorickpeterse> "Sorry the dude got the wrong assignment. Can we reschedule?"
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<yorickpeterse> well, did I just miss my fucking train
<yorickpeterse> if they called 10 minutes earlier I could've made it
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<ruby-lang329> hi guys
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<ruby-lang329> anyone who could help me out with rbtrace error
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<ruby-lang329> I am getting this error ```send_cmd': command is too long (ArgumentError)```
<ruby-lang329> I am following this blog http://blog.skylight.io/hunting-for-leaks-in-ruby/
<ruby-lang329> and after running this command ```rbtrace -p PID -e 'Thread.new{require "objspace"; ObjectSpace.trace_object_allocations_start; GC.start(); ObjectSpace.dump_all(output: File.open("heap.json", "w"))}.join' ```
<ruby-lang329> I am getting that above error
<bnagy> ruby-lang329: uh.. seems like it's right there in the post you linked
<bnagy> By the way, in some cases you may run up against a maximum command length that you can send to rbtrace. You'll need to put the main body of your command in a file and load that file in your rbtrace call to work around this.
<ljarvis> dat copy and paste doe
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<ruby-lang329> yea I saw that
<ruby-lang329> was trying implement that but couldn't
<ruby-lang329> if I have loaded the commands in a file
<ruby-lang329> how do I sent that file as an argument to rbtrace command
<ruby-lang329> there is just -e option to send a ruby expression
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<bnagy> ie 'load "myfile.rb"'
<bnagy> s/ie/-e/
<ruby-lang329> ok thanks let me try that
<bnagy> ruby-lang329: fwiw, if it's at all possibly to switch to jruby for a bit you can use the free / awesome java profiling tools
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<bnagy> which are all visual and stuff. They have graphs.
<ruby-lang329> ok well I am trying to find out the memory leaks in my rails app hosted on heroku
<ruby-lang329> been seeing a lot of R14 errors
<ruby-lang329> this was the article I got closest to
<bnagy> k well I don't know anything about rails or heroku
<bnagy> you could register a nick properly and swing past #rubyonrails
<bnagy> rails people will be the expert at debugging memory leaks ;)
<ruby-lang329> ok cool thanks a lot
<ruby-lang329> will try that
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<yorickpeterse> "Gem::LoadError: can't activate json-1.8.0, already activated json-1.8.1"
<yorickpeterse> WHAT THE HELL RUBY
<yorickpeterse> that code literally only does `require 'json'`
<yorickpeterse> not even gem 'json', ... or anything
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<darix> yorickpeterse: bundler
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<yorickpeterse> darix: not used
<yorickpeterse> This is a Gem install, I'm not going to tell every user "lol use Bundler because Ruby is dumb as a brick"
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: why do you insult those poor bricks? they didn't do nothing!
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<yorickpeterse> exactly
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<ruby-lang077> test
<ruby-lang077> test
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<yorickpeterse> moo
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<soahccc> Can one explain to me why the trace (or branchunless value?) makes a difference in scope here? https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/c38adc63ae12baffc670
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<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> first, there is no difference in scope
<whitequark> second, `trace 1` is the line tracing command
<whitequark> try "if p = false; puts "moep"; end"
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<soahccc> whitequark: I asked because if you would try to puts/use the variable "p" it only works with the long version but not the shortcut
<whitequark> yes
<whitequark> that has nothing to do with scope
<whitequark> `if` never introduces a new scope
<whitequark> rather this stems from the way bare identifiers are parsed
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<soahccc> I suppose it is a feature? The variable is getting defined but it's only accessible after that line (even though the if condition is evaluated before the code in front of it, you don't have the variable there yet)
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<whitequark> it's similar to "p x; if false; x = 1; end"
<whitequark> I won't call this a feature, it's more of an incidental detail
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<yorickpeterse> blegh, more Rails exploits
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<ericwood> :D
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<heolix> Is using raise function to signal error when initializing object is correctly option?
<jhass> yes
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<ericwood> whitequark: please keep disassembling things and posting them on twitter
<ericwood> you're saving me a lot of trouble taking them apart myself
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: please don't disassemble humans
<whitequark> ericwood: lol. ok
<ericwood> ssssshhhh don't listen
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: no
<ericwood> also you seem to have paid better attention in your EE classes than me so :+1:
<whitequark> I didn't have any
<ericwood> even better
<whitequark> I'm a half-taught biologist, actually.
<ericwood> explains the more recent stuff
<whitequark> it does?
<yorickpeterse> it just means he read lots of stuff on Wikipedia
<ericwood> lots of messing with chemicals
<whitequark> ericwood: well, yeah, analytical chemistry classes were fun
<whitequark> inorgchem ditto
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<ericwood> I should have gone to design school instead of doing CE
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* apeiros seconds ericwood's motion @ whitequark :)
<apeiros> not that I'd ever take that stuff apart. but it's some of the more interesting tweets I read
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<whitequark> ericwood: CE?
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<ericwood> whitequark: computer engineering
<ericwood> lol if you spill latte all over your fancy mechanical keyboard
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<godd2> Stop violence against mechanical keyboards now!
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<yorickpeterse> godd2: what kind of monster are you that you hurt your precious mechanical keyboard?
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<|jemc|> godd2: So we're more concerned about the keyboard than the violence commited against the indentured people who grew the coffee beans for the latte?
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<godd2> It's not my fault the need dentures
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<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/YorickPeterse/oga/releases/tag/v0.2.0 I'll just leave this here
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<ericwood> hmm didn't know that gem existed
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<ericwood> the lexer for that is very simple
<ericwood> hmmm I was expecting more complications