apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.4; 2.0.0-p594; 1.9.3-p550: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<zenspider> yeah. single commit per day is a MUCH smarter option
<zenspider> #ruby
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<pipework> zenspider: A commit a day will keep the git-for-each-rev complexity away.
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<zenspider> all I really want is a visualization over time (for now), so it makes sense
<zenspider> also my script is SOO SLOW I need to see SOME results in my lifetime
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<zenspider> rails app: 1777 files scanned, 150k loc ruby... just too much to proces quickly
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<pipework> zenspider: Man if you were async node sauce compliant scale, you'd be done before your call backs even called back.
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<diegoviola> f*ck js
<pipework> JS is nice.
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<pipework> fuck difficult callbacks.
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<zenspider> or something
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<zenspider> damnit... I need something to resolve all these stupid time offsets
<zenspider> git is sorting commits by a single timezone and then printing them local to committing timezone
<zenspider> so it is flipping back and forth across two dates as the commits near midnight
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<darix> zenspider: use UTC everywhere
<darix> which git should do internally imho
<pipework> darix: not his choice.
<darix> pipework: i know
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<womble> git log --date=local
<zenspider> but then I have icky date format w/ month names
<zenspider> it isn't sortable or really usable
<zenspider> I'm wondering if I shouldn't do both the internal format for sorting + iso8604 for capture
<zenspider> hrm.. looks like there isn't a pretty format for it :(
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<zenspider> oh. looks like I can use --date=raw "%cd %ci"
<darix> zenspider: isnt it just the RFC date format?
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<darix> (given it uses email format in so many places)
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<zenspider> raw is "%s %z"... looks like it is STILL wrong for what I want tho
<zenspider> not sure if %s is utc or localized
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<zenspider> anyone know how to make a new git repo out of the commits from a subdir in a different repo? I'd prefer if everything else (timestamps etc) stayed the same
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<yusuf> what is < sign in class definition?
<yusuf> extend?
<tbuehlmann> that's inheritance
<whitequark> essentially
<yusuf> ohhh, i see, thanks , :D
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<maloik> So liberating to work on a pure ruby project for once, even though I've already had a couple mindfucks by falling back to the default relational db mindset
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<yorickpeterse> well, looks like MRI 2.1.3's GC is still crap
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<yorickpeterse> disabled our tweaks, the amount of minor GC runs exploded
<yorickpeterse> http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/screenshot_041114_13%3a55%3a03.png <- vertical marker was the deployment that disabled said tweaks
<yorickpeterse> average memory usage also went up by ~100MB
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<yorickpeterse> Though the total GC time seems to be less
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: that graph looks weird as hell
<whitequark> why does it GC for half a day and then ... not GC for half a day?
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: it's a daemon that only runs for a few hours twice a day
<whitequark> oh
<yorickpeterse> Only testing it without tweaks for one app so far
<yorickpeterse> It's the most GC memory intensive app so I figured it would be a good test
<yorickpeterse> errr
<yorickpeterse> s/GC//
<ljarvis> dat graph
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<yorickpeterse> interesting enough the amount of live objects also has gone up
<yorickpeterse> which, if I'm getting it right, would indicate a memory leak
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<yorickpeterse> also some shit code is constantly invalidating constant caches
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<ljarvis> ruby all up in your memory
<yorickpeterse> wots a GC
<ljarvis> wot even is this garbage
<maloik> there's a devops borat joke in there somewhere
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: after you mentioned constant caches, I was about to say that you started to sound like someone who is actually competent
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: hahaha
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<yorickpeterse> fuck you
<yorickpeterse> I'm just looking at my New Relic graphs and saying "That peak right there _must_ be bad"
<yorickpeterse> the graphs are pretty funny too
<ljarvis> i need graphs to graph new relic being slow as fuck
<yorickpeterse> something something bar charts would be better here
<yorickpeterse> or maybe a pie chart
<whitequark> seven invalidations don't sound so bad
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<whitequark> oh wait
<whitequark> per transaction
<ljarvis> per transaction
<ljarvis> LOL
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<oddmunds> ruby heap size looks like arrows dipped in poison
<yorickpeterse> 32k in total
<ljarvis> I think i know the problem
<yorickpeterse> note that this is something that has ~40k transactions twice a day
<yorickpeterse> something tells me this is mongoid
<ljarvis> why does it only run twice a day?
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<yorickpeterse> because we only need to run it twice a day
<ljarvis> logic
<yorickpeterse> (shocking eh?)
<ljarvis> out logic'd
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, I wonder if I can somehow trace what's causing the invalidations
<yorickpeterse> without first throwing out the usual suspect (mongo)
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<tbuehlmann> there are always low hanging documentation fruits
<chris2> sure
<chris2> but i think t4nk674 wants to code
<t4nk674> I did the CodeCademy guide, but tha's mostly all.
<yorickpeterse> Right, so basically a complete beginner
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<yorickpeterse> yeah in that case skip Rails and MRI (ruby/ruby on Github), those are probably too difficult
<tbuehlmann> :P
<yorickpeterse> (latter involves a lot of C)
<yorickpeterse> actually jruby and rbx shouldn't be too much of a problem for the Ruby side of things, but it's a bit of a step for a total beginner
<ljarvis> I would search for a smaller project, and look through the issues. See if you can fix something, or implement a feature
<darix> openSUSE 13.2 is out. now with even more powerful ruby packaging. :)
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: is this for high school or university?
<t4nk674> The first one.
<yorickpeterse> Hm, proper open source would totally steal the show there
<darix> yorickpeterse: naw. teach them the right way rihgt from the start
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<yorickpeterse> "rihgt"
* yorickpeterse ducks
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: any particular topics that interest you when it comes to programming? Do you want to focus more on web related things or something more hardcore (e.g. compilers, virtual machines, etc)?
<t4nk674> Web related would be nice. Otherwise, I'm more the math/physics nerd.
<yorickpeterse> Hm, I wonder if sciruby is still a thing
<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/SciRuby/sciruby hmpf, doesn't look like it
<t4nk674> Well, Ruby basically only works in the comamnd line, right? So, It'll have to be some kind of program.
<ljarvis> D:
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: actually no
<yorickpeterse> You can start Ruby from the commandline, but it's not limited to only commandline applications
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<t4nk674> However, Ruby on Rails let's me build websites with applications, right? Maybe something in that direction, which isn't a Twitter-clone?
<t4nk674> yorickpeterse: I'd still have to use the command line for I/O, right?
<kalleth> "Well, Ruby basically only works in the comamnd line, right?"
* kalleth facepalm
* t4nk674 reffering to the black window.
<yorickpeterse> kalleth: take into account that this is a newbie, so cut the crap
<kalleth> sorry t4nk674
<kalleth> i shouldn't have snarked
<kalleth> i apologise :)
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: Not strictly
<t4nk674> Thats OK.
<yorickpeterse> reading files and such doesn't require a commandline
<yorickpeterse> it only requires, well, a filesystem to read from
<t4nk674> I could make some sort of processor.
<ljarvis> t4nk674: what about something that counts lines of code?
<ljarvis> you can then bolt on features incrementally
<yorickpeterse> or you can learn Ruby by wrangling the MRI source code and writing patches for Rubinius and JRuby
<yorickpeterse> :D
<maloik> what are you studying? maybe find something in that direction
<ljarvis> ^ dont do that
<yorickpeterse> But that actually is a pretty good way of learning Ruby, but not an easy way
<t4nk674> Please tae the three months in account.
<ljarvis> then it'll be a *really* good code counter
<t4nk674> Studying dreamweaver, photoshop, ruby (at home), lego nxt.
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<ljarvis> what kind of school is this
<ljarvis> "next semester, your topic is: everything"
<kalleth> yorickpeterse: worst idea ever
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<maloik> here you go
<oddmunds> t4nk674: sounds like media og kommunikasjon
<kalleth> ive been rubbying for like 5 years and i'd cry
<kalleth> that'd literally make me go become a police officer instead of a developer
<yorickpeterse> kalleth: I've seen newbies pick it up pretty quickly, at least with Rbx
<kalleth> really?
<yorickpeterse> Note I'm not talking about the VM, that's adults only business
<kalleth> oh
<kalleth> okay
<kalleth> phew
<maloik> you basically have a good excuse to play with robots, there's no reason not to build something with that :D
* kalleth definitely not an adul
<kalleth> t
<yorickpeterse> :P
<maloik> and if lego nxt isn't a good option, look at drones or arduinos or something... plenty happening in that space (but obviously a bit more expensive)
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<t4nk674> oddmunds: More like studiespesialisering.
<oddmunds> t4nk674: aight
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: wait, you're Dutch?
<ljarvis> so that's a word
<maloik> it's not, not in dutch anyway
<oddmunds> yorickpeterse: norwegian
<maloik> unless dutchies write "specialisering" wrong :D
<yorickpeterse> oddmunds: not you :P
<ljarvis> maloik: it's norwegian!
<t4nk674> Actually, I'm german. But I live in Norway.
<ljarvis> come on, keep up
<yorickpeterse> huh
<yorickpeterse> wtf is this mindfuc
<yorickpeterse> * fuck
<oddmunds> why i oughtta...
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<yorickpeterse> maloik: could've been a typo, hence my question
<ljarvis> as an Englishman, i am confuse
<t4nk674> yorickpeterse: Ich glaube, wir können uns gut verstehen.
<tbuehlmann> das glaube ich auch
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: jawohl
<maloik> lmao
<oddmunds> #ruby-languages
<yorickpeterse> Darn Germanic languages are all alike
<ljarvis> yeah...
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<t4nk674> Well, back to the original conversation. What about Ruby on Rails. I could make some amazing websites with applications, right?
<chris2> you can write a blog in 15min!
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<t4nk674> Would that blog be on a actual webpage, with a database? That could be nice to learn.
<t4nk674> Not running from the command line window?
<yorickpeterse> t4nk674: yes, most Rails tutorials actually focus on that
<yorickpeterse> e.g.....
<maloik> it's not very inspirational, I wouldn't bother
<yorickpeterse> that's basically a note taking app with image uploads
<maloik> if you want something with a database you're better off making one with photoshop shortcuts or tutorials or something like that, something relevant to your studies
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<t4nk674> If you just throw some simple, yet with a high learning factor, idas at me, I'm sure we can puzzle something together.
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<yorickpeterse> random idea: music library organizer
<yorickpeterse> there's some Gem for pulling out mp3 tags, which you can then use to auto-create folders, correct file names, etc
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<t4nk674> Aha! I found it! I'll make an app with Appinventor.
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<t4nk674> yorickpeterse: But I'' defenetly look into the folder generator.
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<t4nk674> I'll probably never use it again, but It'll be a nice project.
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<yorickpeterse> well, constant cache hack deployed, lets see what the graphs say in a bit
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<headius> yorickpeterse: constant cache hack?
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<ljarvis> oh no
<ljarvis> headius why did you ask
<maloik> :D
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<headius> just curious what hack yorickpeterse is using to avoid constant cache flushing
<yorickpeterse> headius: some patch for httpclient so it doesn't call Object#extend during runtime
<yorickpeterse> if it works it will be a proper PR
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<oddmunds> cacheflushing is fun
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<headius> yorickpeterse: very good
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<ljarvis> reading rust code makes my face bleed
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<ericwood> keep tissues at your desk
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<whitequark> ljarvis: please don't tell me it's about syntax
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<ljarvis> whitequark: well it's certainly not all of the awesome that's painful to look at
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: rust syntax is meh
<yorickpeterse> :>
<whitequark> syntax is superficial
<ljarvis> hmm, new feature? I know! sigils.shuffle.pop
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: bullshit
<ljarvis> (and yeah I know they're generally moving away with most of the weird sigils)
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: you try looking at brainfuck all day
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<ljarvis> way to go extreme
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: bzzt, wrong
<whitequark> the problem with brainfuck is semantics and only it
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<ljarvis> whitequark is 90% insane
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<whitequark> in fact, the syntax of brainfuck is *perfect*, it represents the semantics in a simple and vivid way
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<thegmanehack> has anyone taken the http://www.ruby.or.jp/en/certification/examination/ ?
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: are you high?
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<mdarby> "Ruby Association"?
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: no
<whitequark> I'm entirely serious
<thegmanehack> yeah from the "Ruby Association" I realize that most people think the cert is dumb.. but i'm being forced to take it.
<whitequark> brainfuck implements a turing machine. it's good at the tasks at which a turing machine is good, and the syntax is concise for those, which is the only thing that matters about syntax
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<thegmanehack> was wondering if anyone had taken it and could suggest some good study material. the suggested study material is out dated.
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: now, if you gave me APL (or, say, J) as a counterexample, that'd make some sense
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<Authenticator> Is there a way to use catch/throw to terminate a multi-threaded process, and catch the throw? I can raise on errors, and rescue the ArgErr: uncaught throw :foo, but I lose the message that went along with the throw.
<|jemc|> Authenticator: you can use "rescue MyExceptionType => e" instead of "rescue MyExceptionType" and then pull properties out of "e"
<|jemc|> although I'm not sure throw is the right tool here
<Authenticator> |jemc|: I did that, but the message from the throw isn't included in the exception that I can see...? Or I'd have just manually parsed and re-thrown from a handler loop in the main thread. But I use the throw message for user-visible errors and they need to be percolated up.
<|jemc|> Authenticator: I misread your statement - I thought you were using a rescued exception to trigger a throw
<Authenticator> No, watching a sub-thread throw to be caught properly (message and all) in the main thread.
<|jemc|> not that I'm condoning using a throw or a raise to do this, but if you raised instead of threw then you would get the actual exception object in your rescue
<|jemc|> You just need to have Thread.abort_on_exception = true
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<jhass> You should always set a stop flag in the thread and poll that
<jhass> everything else is not guranteed to be thread safe as it can happen in the middle of some unfinished operation
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<Authenticator> What is catch without arguments for? Is there a wildcard? The problem is the threads are in the IO layer and the thrown signals are logic layer and it's not clear which signals may be thrown.
<jhass> I yet have to see catch in production code. It probably should be removed from the language
* womble has used it.
<womble> Once.
<apeiros> Authenticator: note that catch/throw in ruby is not the same as raise/rescue
<apeiros> (i.e., you're using wrong terminology9
<|jemc|> Authenticator: I would suggest using a Queue (which is threadsafe) - a thread that wishes to terminate can push a TerminationInfoObject onto the queue
<|jemc|> and the main thread can just call pop on the queue to block until someone terminates
* apeiros usually pushes nil
<|jemc|> then it has the object with all of the info you passed into it
<apeiros> while job = queue.shift
<Authenticator> apeiros: Yeah, raise/rescue, catch/throw. One is being used for code-level errors, the other for domain logic.
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