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ShaneD >
I have been stumped researching ruby post-conditionals for the past few hours and have decided to move beyond my books and google. Is this a good place to ask about statement evaluation uh…technicalities?
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methods >
this is very strange i just gem installed json yet i can't require it in irb and i can't require rubygems either
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arubin >
ShaneD: Sure.
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havenwood >
methods: I'm curious what version of Ruby and RubyGems you're running? What do you get for?: ruby -v && gem -v
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methods >
ruby 1.8.7 and gem 1.8.11
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methods >
hm strangely i usually have rubygems installed through apt but not here
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ShaneD >
I have an open book test an instructor gave out and even after reading all of my books and googling for the past four hours I am not even close. I am thinking maybe he is using terminology different from standard, or I just don't get it. Not looking for an answer here, just a heads up on the general direction I should be researching. The question is: What is a post-conditional and how can we use it with return to guard expensive co
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methods: Can you switch to a modern Ruby? The apt-get ruby1.9.1-full package or better-yet ruby-2.0.0-p125?
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ShaneD >
It feels like it has something to do with short-circuiting the statement to avoid the expensive part but I can't find any examples of it. Is this a ruby Idiom?
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bnagy >
style q: how do I linebreak this? comp_template_sizes = Parallel.map(interesting_templates, @parallel_type=>@cpus ) {|template_fname|
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ShaneD >
I can't even figure out what post-conditional means, although I am thinking maybe it is similar to a statement modifier or postfix condition?
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arubin >
ShaneD: Your first line cut off after "guard expensive c".
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bnagy >
trying to keep under 80, hard limit at 100
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ShaneD >
What is a post-conditional and how can we use it with return to guard expensive computations?
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probably return @already_done || do_expensive_thing
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bnagy >
although that's kind of dodgy style
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ShaneD >
Looks like just a short-circuited or to me. And with no "return" word in it. I think I am just getting lost in the terminology.
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arubin >
ShaneD: Again, your first statement was cut off.
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ShaneD >
Phew. Sorry, first time on irc.
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arubin >
"What is a post-conditional and how can we use it with return to guard expensive c"
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bnagy >
yeah if you've got an example or context that would help :) pastie / gist?
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ShaneD >
expensive computation. No example, no context.
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ShaneD >
Just that and me banging my head into the wall for hours.
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arubin >
ShaneD: Sorry, I missed it the first time that you wrote it again.
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ShaneD >
No problem, one more try and I will make sure not to truncate...
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bnagy >
ShaneD: maybe he just means return result if solved; carry_on_expensive_thing
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arubin >
ShaneD: It did not truncate when you typed it the second time, I just missed it.
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arubin >
ShaneD: Which text are you using?
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ShaneD >
Well at least I know this isn't one of things everyone knows then.
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arubin >
Perhaps that will provide a clue.
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ShaneD >
No text book, and the question is really vaguely worded to me.
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arubin >
Is Ruby actually used in this course?
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ShaneD >
Yeah, this is actually part of the admission test for an advanced class.
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ShaneD >
I have read a few books, watched lots of screencasts, and this
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ShaneD >
is the first I have even seen the term post-conditionals
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havenwood >
bnagy: Hrm, guess you could?:
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havenwood >
comp_template_map = Parallel.map(interesting_templates, @parallel_type=>@cpus)
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havenwood >
comp_template_sizes = comp_template_map { |template_fname|
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arubin >
Perhaps he does just mean postfix conditionals/statement modifiers.
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I thought that initially, but thought they are just syntactic sugar for regular conditionals.
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arubin >
ShaneD: The fact that they are postfix does not make them any more special for avoiding expensive computation though.
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ShaneD >
The question makes it seem like they have some special powers regular conditionals don't.
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havenwood >
bnagy: Or shorter var names? :P I don't see a pleasant way to break it up.
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ShaneD >
I was worried I was missing some common pattern used before doing expensive assignments. Oh well, I guess I will just miss this one.
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arubin >
ShaneD: The shortcut behavior of some of the logical operators can help with that, but I am not sure how they could be called "post-conditional".
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bnagy >
havenwood: first is a good idea, if Parallel will return an Enumerator for that
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ShaneD >
arubin: I was under the same impression.
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bnagy >
havenwood: nah no dice. :/ It's not a 'real' map, sadly
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havenwood >
bnagy: Argh, too bad. Heh.
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going to have to live with 103 cols for now :(
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havenwood: I refactored Parallel.map collection, blah, &blk into a method, fyi
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is zentest deprecated with minitest 5 or something?
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NemesisD >
i get a bunch of warnings when running autotest
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injekt >
NemesisD: minitest 5 spits out warnings for deprecated use
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injekt >
mostly the use of MiniTest which has been renamed to Minitest and MiniTest::Unit::TestCase to Minitest::Test
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erikh >
I am employed now
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erikh >
about to break my code with the go race detector
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bnagy >
is there a Threadpool lib that work well with jruby? I usually use Parallel, but it is going bonkers atm
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benlovell >
bangy: also, you should head over to #jruby
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benlovell >
derp, I meant bnagy.
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bnagy >
benlovell: yeah, but it's usually dead there this time of day :)
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benlovell >
bnagy: true dat.
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benlovell >
bnagy: you specifically want to look at executors. You can create threadpools from there.
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bnagy >
I am looking, but I don't really want to build it myself out of java lego, because I don't really know what I am doing
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bnagy >
Ideally someone would have made a jruby parallel map primitive :)
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benlovell >
you can take a look in the celluloid examples for a simple pmap
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bnagy >
otherwise if nobody has then I guess I'll have to
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benlovell >
celluloid makes this stuff redonkulously easy
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bnagy >
yeah I was trying to avoid celluloid, just cause it's a gigantic codebase and it overlaps some stuff I already have
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bnagy >
but I guess I should give it a try, looks like 20 minutes work to port from Parallel to Celluloid Future
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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woollyams >
bnagy: I have a parallel map in pure Ruby. I'm pretty sure it works in JRuby.
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benlovell: Does the Celluloid example end up creating a Thread for every collection element, simultaneously, or is it backed by a thread pool?
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bnagy >
the naiev way seems to create a Thread per
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bnagy >
wiki says that you can use Actors if you need to limit to n threads
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bnagy >
does Lazily have RO access to scope vars from within the block?
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woollyams >
bnagy: Has access to the binding, yeah.
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bnagy >
k cool, I can use it as a drop-in then
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woollyams >
bnagy: Yeah, the simple way is collection.map { |x| Thread.new { stuff_with(x) }}.map { |thread| thread.join.value }
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bnagy >
celluloid pmap is working
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benlovell >
woollyams: pooled
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woollyams >
benlovell: Cool.
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woollyams >
bnagy: But the "simple way" creates a Thread explosion for large collections.
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bnagy >
benlovell: really? is the pool in the Future code somewhere?
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benlovell >
this defers to celluloid's internal threadpool
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bnagy >
cool, thanks :)
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judofyr >
sure, it will re-use threads, but if you have X number of Future objects they will all be backed by a X threads
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bnagy >
it's a lot faster if someone knows the codebase :)
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bnagy >
maybe I'll try woollyams stuff, since the pmap stuff iswell isolated now
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judofyr >
woollyams: so yes and no: it's backed by a thread pool (so threads might be re-used), but if you use pmap it will cause a thread to exist for every element in the collection
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bnagy >
ok so still thread explosion :/
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I wrote around that, but it's still ugly
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judofyr >
you can use MyKlass.pool though
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drbrain >
hehehe, I wrote a tool to count the number of objects allocated by loading a Marshal stream
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woollyams >
bnagy: Er, perhaps stay away from Lazily#in_threads on JRuby for now. Looks like I have some thread-safety issues to sort out.
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bnagy >
judofyr: is there a simple example for adding a pool based pmap to Enumerable, for example?
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the celluloided version of my code was fast, but the collection sizes are not insane
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bnagy >
or can you just globally restrict the internal celluloid threadpool size?
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judofyr >
bnagy: you can't restrict the internal threadpool. not sure how to implement using a pool.
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bnagy >
maybe I'll wait and see if I can blow it up :)
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looks nice... the first pmap is left over, or what?
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what happens with nested pmaps? you get workers ** 2?
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judofyr >
don't do that :)
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judofyr >
pools in pools are not recommended
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bnagy >
I
_knew_ you were going to say that, but what's the answer? :)
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bnagy >
anyway, let me drop it in and test perf
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bnagy >
hrm. stack explosions and crashing pool manager
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judofyr: it doesn't seem to exit the pmap block, for me? runs the last statement then hangs
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woollyams >
bnagy: It might still be worth you giving Lazily a look. I've found a bug, but it doesn't appear to be JRuby-specific.
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bnagy >
woollyams: yeah, I have it in place at the moment
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corecode >
class_eval + @@class_variable from extending Module = no fun
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judofyr >
class variables are never fun
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corecode >
well, same for constants
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judofyr >
but constants are constants
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judofyr >
constants are constant
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corecode >
but access semantics are the same
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yorickpeterse >
US only again
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yorickpeterse >
because everbody only lives in the US, right?
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andrewvos >
Well, actually because it's a very large country and getting it to work in one country is probably the quickest win.
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andrewvos >
Can you imagine integrating with banks in the UK, for example, yorickpeterse?
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bnagy >
yeah but US banks are paleolithic
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bnagy >
like... they use cheques. I seen em do it!
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andrewvos >
But anyway, that argument is kind of frail
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yorickpeterse >
andrewvos: banking in the EU is still in the stone ages in a lot of ways
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andrewvos >
My point exactly
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bnagy >
AUGH MY EYE YOU TESTED MY EYE!!
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m4n >
go fix your keyboard
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rajix >
could somehelp help me understand why ruby symbols are efficient when used as hash keys instead of plain strings ? or point me to a place where I can get this info ?
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bnagy >
they can be, especially if you make lots of copies of them
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yorickpeterse >
rajix: symbols are only created once and then re-used
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bnagy >
basically there is only one copy of :foo, but there can be many String objects that are "foo"
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rajix >
so memory efficient because they are immutable ?
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bnagy >
trouble is the whole "use symbols as Hash keys ALWAYS" thing falls down as soon as you interop with anything via serialisation
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bnagy >
they're pretty fly when you use them for method hash arguments though
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rajix >
so with ruby two objects pointing to same string say "foo" will create two copies of the string "foo" (unlike python where both the objects point to the same memory location)
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bnagy >
>> a="hi"; b=a; b.upcase; p a
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bnagy >
>> a="hi"; b=a; b.upcase!; p a
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bnagy >
rajix: it's more like this:
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bnagy >
>> id=[]; 10.times do; a='foo'; id << a.object_id; end; p id
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eval-in >
bnagy => [545360360, 545360350, 545360340, 545360330, 545360320, 545360290, 545360280, 545360270, 545360260, 545360250] ... (
http://eval.in/30499)
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bnagy >
repeatedly creating a string and assigning it will leave object corpses that the GC has to deal with
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bnagy >
>> id=[]; 10.times do; a=:foo; id << a.object_id; end; p id
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bnagy => [198568, 198568, 198568, 198568, 198568, 198568, 198568, 198568, 198568, 198568] ... (
http://eval.in/30501)
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rajix >
yep got it … with symbols I see the same id being allocated for multiple repetitions … (python works the same way with strings like how ruby works with symbols in terms of memory allocation) … Thanks a lot bnagy…!!!
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bnagy >
python strings are immutable?
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rajix >
>>> a = "string1"
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rajix >
>>> b = "string1"
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rajix >
this is with python
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bnagy >
so they must be immutable, right?
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bnagy >
it's a style, I guess...
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rajix >
works the same with all primitives , integer, float etc...
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rajix >
ruby is a lil different … (just getting started :-P )
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apeiros >
rajix: how about you
*not* starting your code pastes with >>
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apeiros >
so you don't trigger the bot
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rajix >
sorry about that … that was my first attempt to "copy paste" on free node … will take care in future … :)
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apeiros >
rajix: also as per the topic - paste >3 lines on a paste service please. preferably gist.github.com.
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yorickpeterse >
speaking about the bot, it's output needs to be trimmed
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yorickpeterse >
no point in showing the full path of an error for example
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: ping charliesome abou tit
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yorickpeterse >
he's not online
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bnagy >
well ping him on twitter, DUH
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bnagy >
this is clearly a matter of the utmost urgency ;)
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apeiros >
nobody got his cell?
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tbuehlmann >
just the red telephone
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bnagy >
it's not even 11pm yet in Melbourne
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bnagy >
totally fine to call him
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bnagy => /tmp/execpad-ae6be0a16b4b/source-ae6be0a16b4b:2:in `/': divided by 0 (ZeroDivisionError) ... (
http://eval.in/30512)
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bnagy >
INTOLERABLE
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>> charliesome.send(:<3)
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zzak => /tmp/execpad-0f7c91e81a4a/source-0f7c91e81a4a:2: syntax error, unexpected tINTEGER, expecting ')' ... (
http://eval.in/30515)
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injekt >
mztriz: why are you dynically writing ruby code and then trying to execute it?
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mztriz >
I loaded in a CSV file to a hash and then I get information out of the hash to write the code in the format that rChart needs it in
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mztriz >
so I can generate a chart
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gnufied >
injekt: because it sounded like a good idea at that time.
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injekt >
gnufied: yeah, right after 'bro, hold my beer'
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mztriz >
Obviously I don't know what I'm doing... That's why I'm aksing for help
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mztriz >
injekt what do you suggest I do instead of the way I showed in my pastie?
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injekt >
mztriz: I would read the csv and send the information right into your Rdata object
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injekt >
you don't do any sorting of any kind anyway, so you could read your csv row by row and generate the graph on the fly
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mztriz >
injekt: that is only a very small part of my code and there is sorting involved
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mztriz >
I guess for that part there isnt though
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injekt >
mztriz: then you should nmake sure you paste all relevant parts, it's hard to help
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mztriz >
injekt:http://pastie.org/private/vhsqh4u0iltip3wt9v96og
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injekt >
mztriz: I dont understand, just dont use strings
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injekt >
mztriz: points.each { |sn, v| p.add_point(...) }
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mztriz >
injekt: I don't know I think I tried it that way and it didn't like it, but I'll look at it again. Thanks for helping me out.
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injekt >
mztriz: sure, let us know if you need any more help, im heading out now but there's plenty of people to help you out
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he's a very good writer and illustrator.
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whitequark >
(or she)
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whitequark: Did you reintroduced cvdecl in parser-1.3.4?
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mbj >
Tought it was removed.
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whitequark >
mbj: it was removed in 2.0
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mbj >
whitequark: So I'll see cvdecl nodes in lt 2.0 parse modes?
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whitequark >
mbj: in parser 2.0, that is... master (unreleased)
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whitequark >
in parser 1.x there are still cvdecl nodes
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and cdecl
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mbj >
whitequark: okay, I get situration. Was confused. Thx.
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whitequark: Do you expect 2.0 soon?
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mbj: not sure when.
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mbj >
whitequark: ok, thx.
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I have started to write tests for an idea I have had, does somebody want to look at it?
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PhilG: I'll bite. What testing framework you using? Post a link?
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ruby-lang858 >
Hi all
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havenwood >
ruby-lang858: hey
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ruby-lang858 >
Does anyone know why wget would work from the cli but when put into a ruby script it gives a 403 error?
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apeiros >
ruby-lang858: different env variables
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ruby-lang858 >
apeiros: how would i set them?
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apeiros >
I'd first verify that this is indeed the problem
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ruby-lang858 >
How would i do that sorry?
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you'd open a shell, unset about every env variable and see whether you get a 403. there might be nicer ways to do that.
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ruby-lang858 >
would it put the variables back?
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ruby-lang858 >
when i re-open another shell
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havenwood >
ruby-lang858: Yeah
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ruby-lang858 >
how do i unset the variables, sorry to be a nuisance
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ruby-lang858 >
thank you
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man page will probably explain it
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badeball >
env -i <command> runs a command with an empty environment
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ruby-lang858 >
it dosn't recognize env -i wget
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havenwood >
ruby-lang858: Try: env -i `which wget`
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badeball >
run wget with complete path within the empty environment, like env -i /usr/bin/wget (assuming that that is where your wget resides)
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havenwood >
PhilG: Yay for Minitest! :)
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ruby-lang858 >
ok i got it working i did env -i /usr/local/bin/wget but it fetches the file so there is nothing wrong with my variables?
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badeball >
maybe there is something wrong with the environment that your ruby script runs in
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badeball >
run env -i /usr/local/bin/wget
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badeball >
from within your ruby script
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badeball >
eh, nevermind me. don't do that. i'm stupid.
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ruby-lang858 >
lol ok
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HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden 2013-05-16 19:04:14 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
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ruby-lang858 >
thats the error i get when running it within ruby, but the file downloads if i run it within the shell
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ruby-lang858 >
Any more ideas :( its driving me mad! lol
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PhilG >
havenwood: thanks :)
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ruby-lang858 >
It seems to be something to do with downloading from amazon s3
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havenwood: So what do you think?
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PhilG: <3 minitest/pride, yay! I like the Spec style you use, not to deeply nested.
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PhilG: I'd be curious what a more experienced TDDer would suggest regarding testing class and method existence as well as functionality.
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PhilG >
Fine, thanks! My problem now is, that in order write and implement the last tests I would have to use the other classes, which I haven't done anything on.. So should I just start testing them and come back to the Runner class?
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havenwood >
PhilG: So you are considering whether to Mock or go create the dependent class?
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havenwood >
PhilG: It depends I suppose. A Mockist and a Classist might tell you different answers. I don't know!
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PhilG >
havenwood: That is essentially what I was thinking about. Either I need to pass in an instance of the dependent class (which would make it mockable) or I go and implement and use the actual production class
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I am home, finally
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erikh >
no but I am
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erikh >
talk to me sexy
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zzak: you want to do the PR or should I?
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