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<andkerosine> Was Programming Ruby ghostwritten?
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<andkerosine> Disregard.
<zzak> drbrain: congrats!
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<drbrain> zzak: thanks!
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<injekt> bleghhh
<injekt> basicxman: ping
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<erikh> holy splitsville
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<slyphon> this is one of those situations where XML might be a good fit, but i'm *SO* resistant to actually doing that
<slyphon> maybe json will work...
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<h4y4shi> How do I make a string lowercase?
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<fireglow> "String".downcase
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<mizix_> 사람 많다
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<slyphon> lot of churn in here toniht
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<WillMars_> Does ruby have any quick helpers for stripping \n and spaces from strings, other than Gsub?
<slyphon> .chomp
<slyphon> that'll do \n
<slyphon> .strip does whitespace
<theconartist> WillMars_: and .strip for sides
<fireglow> what about .join?
<slyphon> you have to keep sticking dollars in its .gstring though
<theconartist> that joins an array fireglow
<fireglow> oh right, hmm. Just started...
<theconartist> if anything you would use it to add whitespace
<theconartist> arry.join("\n")
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<WillMars_> .chomp doesn't touch \n but .strip does
<WillMars_> Go figure
<slyphon> eh?
<slyphon> \n is what .chomp does
<slyphon> i guess it might depend on platform
<slyphon> WillMars_: you on winders or something?
<WillMars_> slyphon: Nope! OSX
<WillMars_> slyphon: It does the \n at the end of the line
<WillMars_> But this string is "\n stuff here \n"
<slyphon> yeah, that's what it does
<WillMars_> Don't ask me why
<WillMars_> Dodgy CSV from dodgy company
<WillMars_> Curse their face
<slyphon> "\n blah \n".tr("\n", '')
<slyphon> => " blah "
<slyphon> that'll replace it anywhere in the string
<WillMars_> Yup
<WillMars_> Just a bit clunky, but it'll do
<slyphon> yeah, tr is fast
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<banister_> anyone here experienced with testing?
<WillMars_> banister_: Yes
* erikh tests banister_
<banister_> WillMars_: can you try this out? https://github.com/banister/plymouth
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<banister_> erikh: hey eric
<erikh> hey john
<erikh> how goes? still b&
<erikh> ?
<WillMars_> banister_: It looks fairly awesome - I'll give it a go
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<banister_> b& ?
<erikh> banned
<banister_> WillMars_: i'm not 100% confident in its performance on 1.9.3 as i dont quite understand how GC has changed from 1.9.2 -> 1.9.3
<banister_> erikh: yeah
<erikh> that sucks.
<banister_> just here momentarily
<banister_> :)
<erikh> gotcha.
<erikh> well I'll leave you to it, then.
<banister_> via phone
<erikh> banister_: oh hey, spread the word, I'm looking for a new gem-testers maintainer.
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<WillMars_> banister_: will it run on 1.8.7?
<banister_> hehe, im not doing anything :) just finding people to test something :)
<erikh> if you know anyone who's interested please let me know
<WillMars_> I don't have a 1.9 app atm
<banister_> WillMars_: no
<banister_> WillMars_: just 1.9.2+
<banister_> WillMars_: ah ok, nm then
<WillMars_> Ah. I can't help right now, but I'll give it a test as soon as I'm on a 1.9.3 app
<WillMars_> As I said, it looks VERY useful
<banister_> WillMars_: no problem
<banister_> WillMars_: it's just BETA atm but it generally works pretty well in my experience
<WillMars_> I have a nightmare of a time getting debugger sessions into rspec
<WillMars_> But I use Guard
<banister_> WillMars_: what kind of debugger sessions? what kind of thing do u want?
<erikh> is the gem pushed already banister_ ?
<erikh> I'll try it on 1.9.3
<banister_> erikh: yes it is
<banister_> erikh: i should probably --pre it until i can iron out the final (very rare though) segv
<WillMars_> banister_: All I want is an IRB (or Pry, I suppose) session at the point of a failing test
<erikh> using bundler -- do you know how to do that?
<WillMars_> But Guard makes them respond immensely slowly
<erikh> plymouth (>= 0) ruby depends on
<erikh> slop (< 3, >= 2.4.3) ruby
<erikh> gah
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<banister_> WillMars_: well that's what this does :) but how were you going about it? what was your approach?
<WillMars_> banister_: require 'ruby debug'; debugger
<WillMars_> Got a snippet for it in Vim, sticking it in the source at points of interest
<erikh> banister_: getting quite a few warnings from pry -- you want a paste?
<erikh> seems to be working pretty well
<erikh> banister_: is there an environment var I can use to control whether the console shows?
<erikh> e.g., for pushing out to travis or gem-testers
<Lbatson21> is there a way to find and install the newest version of ruby using rvm or do you just have to know the current version you want?
<erikh> Lbatson21: there's a way to list all the rubies rvm supports, but I don't remember it
<bnagy> <flavour>-head
<bnagy> but it might be unstable
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<banisterfiend> erikh: yes pls
<erikh> sec
<erikh> also that env var -- please consider it
<banistergalaxy> WillMars_: how does that bring it up on failure?
<erikh> I can code it in myself but it'd nice to have it as an "interface feature"
<banistergalaxy> WillMars_: ruby-debug has built in support for rspec?
<WillMars_> banistergalaxy: It doesn't, I've been doing it by hand
<WillMars_> banistergalaxy: Thus the coolness of this gem
<banistergalaxy> WillMars_: using 'next' you mean?
<WillMars_> No, by sticking debuggers places constantly
<banistergalaxy> WillMarshall: plymouth is just a spinoff from this one: https://github.com/banister/pry-exception_explorer
<banistergalaxy> WillMarshall: oh ok
<banistergalaxy> erikh: what did u wnat the env var for again?
<erikh> well, I want to control when the console shows
<erikh> so I can leave it in my tests, but support automated runs
<erikh> e.g., if travis or gem-testers or something like it runs it
<banistergalaxy> erikh: ah that's interesting
<erikh> USE_PLYMOUTH=1 be rake test
<erikh> or something
<banistergalaxy> erikh: cool, could u file an issue?
<erikh> sure
<erikh> I'll put those warnings in a ticket as wel
<banistergalaxy> yeah
<banistergalaxy> erikh: btw, i gues sit's kind of usless in tests, but u can actually walk the stack at the point of the test failure
<banistergalaxy> up/show-stack/frame
<banistergalaxy> show-stack -h for more info on that command (ditto for teh others)
<erikh> cool
<erikh> I'll play with it more later -- I just wanted to be a little helpful
<erikh> that codebase is a threading nightmare so stacks can be a little ...
<banistergalaxy> erikh: np, gotta go now anyway
<banistergalaxy> WillMarshall, erikh: thanks for your help
<banistergalaxy> bbl
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<h4y4shi> Hey guys. I am having a problem with my program It is an rpg anyone wanna help me?
<bnagy> what's the problem this time?
<h4y4shi> By the way I made my program using tabs, is there a way to convert all tabs into double space using notepad++
<newbold> there is in regular notepad :P
<bnagy> use a proper editor :)
<newbold> ctrl-h, paste a tab in the first box, two spaces in the second, replace all
<bnagy> it must have a search and replace though
<h4y4shi> Hey bnagy. Remember the wander method? I cant get it to work properly
<h4y4shi> I mean wander action, not method
<bnagy> paste some code, and define 'properly' ;)
<h4y4shi> well whenever I encounter a monster it says that there are a wrong number of arguments
<brownies> so cucumber has this annoying habit of outputting to console all my commented out tests; how might i suppress this?
<h4y4shi> bnagy: here is the code http://pastie.org/3339031
<h4y4shi> bnagy: If you run it and choose the action wander then attack a monster it will give you the error
<bnagy> AUGH MY EYES
<theconartist> oh wow
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<h4y4shi> Im starting to get overwhelmed myself.
<theconartist> bnagy: hold me
<bnagy> I think that die rolling could be refactored a tiny bit :)
<bnagy> but, moving on...
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<h4y4shi> bnagy: Yeah I couldnt find out any other way
<bnagy> h4y4shi: I don't want to run the code, otherwise I will have to burn my laptop, but can you give us the exact error message?
<h4y4shi> yeah
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<bnagy> it's probably just mismatched args for Creature.new
<h4y4shi> Here is the pasty http://pastie.org/3339053
<h4y4shi> oh sorry that is running correctly
<bnagy> change line 19 to def damage str
<h4y4shi> Ok thanks bnagy.
<bnagy> although damage_dealt or something is probably a better varname
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<bnagy> there is a LOT of refactoring you can do before you move on and add new features
<h4y4shi> should I change it to def damage(str) or def damage str
<bnagy> refactoring is a good habit to get into
<bnagy> same same the parens are optional
<h4y4shi> since heroes strength is $str should I change it to def damage $str
<bnagy> no
<bnagy> oh and I didn't even see that - barf
<bnagy> there is no reason to have those as globals
<bnagy> but damage is dealing damage based on the monster's strength, which is what's passed as the argument
<bnagy> that's why I mentioned that the variable name is confusing ;)
<h4y4shi> bnagy: Okay yeah your right. I am getting more confused all of the time.
<bnagy> I don't mean to be unkind, but that's because the code is unreadable
<theconartist> h4y4shi: i did a favor for you
<bnagy> you're moving too fast and not stopping to think 'how could I clean this up, make it more understandable...'
<h4y4shi> Okay good point.
<h4y4shi> I should work on cleaning it up now.
<theconartist> i condensed lines 70-112 http://pastie.org/3339076
<h4y4shi> Well I think I will live with the error in the battle system for now and work on cleaning up the code.
<h4y4shi> theconartist: Thank you
<bnagy> suggestions - convert the Creature to hash arguments
<bnagy> clean up the rolling
<theconartist> actually that is a bit redundant too i started off thinking something else
<h4y4shi> bnagy: I will remember that thanks for the help again
<bnagy> if you had hash args you could clean up the encounter system a lot
<h4y4shi> I will google hash arguments and try to figure out how to use them.
<bnagy> it would look like monster=Creature.new( creature_array.sample )
<bnagy> but I'll let you work out the underlying code to make that line work :)
<theconartist> updated the paste h4y4shi, doesn't actually change much
<theconartist> probably actually less clear
<h4y4shi> Ill try that out thanks
<bnagy> theconartist: I think that's probably just too alien-tech at this stage
<theconartist> oh i know it is, just flexing
<theconartist> i am very selfish
<h4y4shi> lol... thats exactly what I was thinking haha.
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<bnagy> theconartist: (1..6).map {|stat| (1..4).map {|die| Random.new.rand(1..6)}.sort.drop(1).inject(:+)} your turn :)
<bnagy> I really just wanted to use rand(1..6) cause it's so pretty
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<rippa> but why Randow.new?
<rippa> *m
<rippa> why not jus ran(1..6)
<rippa> *d
<rippa> *t
<bnagy> doesn't seem to work for me, that's what I wanted :/
<rippa> works in 1.9.3
<bnagy> 1.9.3-head :028 > rand(1..6)
<bnagy> TypeError: can't convert Range into Integer
<bnagy> what have I messed up?
<rippa> [1] pry(main)> rand(1..6)
<rippa> => 1
<rippa> no idea
<bnagy> weird
<bnagy> maybe I'll reget 1.9.3-head
<bnagy> sadly rand(6)+1 still wins for golf :(
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<vbatts> drbrain: ping
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<Harzilein> hi
<Harzilein> weren't there rdoc sources for the old pickaxe available or am i mixing this up?
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<bnagy> rippa: ha, was an rvm path error, irb was showing the 1.9.3 prompt but using 1.9.2 under the hood. Trippy.
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<bnagy> I now have mighty rand(1..6) powers!
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<h4y4shi> is p the same as to_s?
<bnagy> no p obj is like puts obj.inspect
<bnagy> imho using #to_s is a bit of a smell though
<h4y4shi> I am trying to understand this code. If they are not the same then what is the point of lines 9-11 http://pastie.org/3339245
<theconartist> puts will coerce to string and trigger to_s h4y4shi
<theconartist> p is inspect
<bnagy> yeah don't read anymore code from whoever wrote that
<h4y4shi> Okay lol. Why did they package this code/book with ruby if it is bad?
<bnagy> maybe it was free
<h4y4shi> Yeah that is probably right
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<bnagy> in 21 lines they managed to annoy me 5 times, not bad for something that is supposed to me didactic :<
<bnagy> oh make that 6
<bnagy> if you count the ungrammatical capitalisation of Treasure
<rippa> >hungarian notation
<rippa> seriously now
<Harzilein> anyone?
<bnagy> rippa: I think it's just visual basic case isn't it? Otherwise it would be sName?
<rippa> dunno
<bnagy> anyway it's vile.
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<h4y4shi> well are there any other source code examples that I could download and look at that you guys know of?
<bnagy> github
<h4y4shi> oh this looks interesting
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<h4y4shi> Is there a github for ruby users?
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<theconartist> h4y4shi: github is >50% ruby code
<theconartist> and is written in ruby
<h4y4shi> Wow... that is impressive
<theconartist> for the most part
<bnagy> h4y4shi: http://pastie.org/3339315 see top few lines
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<bnagy> then when you have done all that we can give you more exercises ;)
<h4y4shi> bnagy: Thanks man that is what I need. I will work on that.
<erikh> maybe sending him to ruby koans or w/e it's called would be a good first step
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<bnagy> erikh: maybe, but if he's interested in this then there are plenty of opportunities to use it to learn stuff
<bnagy> (sorry to talk about you like you're not here h4y4shi)
<erikh> gotcha
<h4y4shi> Its fine. I appreciate the tips. I learn so much from this irc.
<erikh> stay a while. try the veal.
<bnagy> tastes like chicken to me
<h4y4shi> has manveru been on recently I havent seen him
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<bnagy> he's probably off stealing fire from the gods or something
<h4y4shi> Lol
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<MistyM> Seattle, I am jealous of your .rb now.
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<drbrain> MistyM: haha
<Harzilein> btw, how do i get the same rdoc for core and stdlib as ruby-doc.org has? should running rdoc . in a ruby checkout work?
<Harzilein> rdoc --op /tmp/doc . or something*
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<drbrain> Harzilein: ruby-doc does special stuff
<Harzilein> drbrain: i only want the same content
<drbrain> Harzilein: one second
<Harzilein> drbrain: for the presentation i want to try and get ronn output
<drbrain> rdoc --encoding=UTF-8 --all --op /tmp/doc .
<Harzilein> drbrain: ronn-generated manpages would kick ri's butt on so many levels
<Harzilein> drbrain: thanks
<drbrain> Harzilein: link?
<Harzilein> yes
<drbrain> I've got markdown support in the works for rdoc
<drbrain> adding output formatters is easy for rdoc
<Harzilein> of course a more reliable step would be needed than html -> md -> html -> troff
<Harzilein> drbrain: nice :D
<drbrain> Harzilein: after markdown support is in rdoc, adding (rdoc, rd, markdown) -> troff would be easy
<Harzilein> real roff output like with perldoc would make ruby so much nicer :)
<drbrain> oh, and tomdoc
<drbrain> I've also got this: https://github.com/rdoc/rdoc-browser
<drbrain> but it depends on patches that are only in ruby-trunk
<drbrain> and needs a bit more help in rdoc to have README and whatnot show up in rdoc as things you can read
<drbrain> and it's more info-like than man-like
<Harzilein> yeah, i'm thinking of pinfo etc.
<Harzilein> maybe that's more colorful than a manpage, but i really like the interface. something like perldoc -f something that integrates ri-style searching with troff pages would be good
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<drbrain> ri is presently geared too much towards methods without a good way of joining "here is what this method does" with "here are examples of how to use this method with other methods in the class"
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<Harzilein> drbrain: how does ruby-doc.org determine what goes into core and what into stdlib?
<Harzilein> drbrain: if i understand it right, what i'm generating now with rdoc in the ruby directory will be an aggregate of both
<drbrain> Harzilein: in short, if it's in lib/ or ext/ it's "stdlib" if it's not (root .c files) core
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<drbrain> yes
<Harzilein> drbrain: do you think it would make sense to have an aggregate of core in one manpage? after all, perl has man perlfunc fore the "core" and regular perldoc for the dual-lived cpan modules
<Harzilein> for*
<drbrain> Harzilein: that would be… big
<Harzilein> well, the text of man perlfunc weighs in at 47k words
<drbrain> it may be difficult to search through
<Harzilein> yeah, but if you already know what is there but just want to refresh a detail it should be enough
<drbrain> I'm not sure how many words would be in all of core, but it doesn't sound unreasonable compared to perl
<Harzilein> the idea is that ri could give you an index into that file
<Harzilein> as in: type man rubycore if you want to search for keywords or browse around its sections (could use a html manpage viewer to get a toc), use ri to jump to a method
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<drbrain> … but windows users ☹
<Harzilein> ...
<Harzilein> dunno, they could get a .chm? ;)
<drbrain> I dunno
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<drbrain> the nice thing about rdoc is that it's self-contained and works everywhere ruby does
<drbrain> the un-nice thing is that it doesn't draw from awesome pre-existing platform tools :/
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<drbrain> Harzilein: however, if you want to build this thing, I'll help you make it a success
<rippa> [10:56:01] <Harzilein> dunno, they could get a .chm? ;)
<rippa> they already have a .chm
<drbrain> rippa: I abandoned rdoc-chm… I have no way to test it :/
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<ylluminate> was running pry-nav and ran into a segfault. i'm wondering if i should report it as a ruby bug or what might be taking place here.
<ylluminate> essentially simply `next`'d on a method call and then got into mon_synchronize
<ylluminate> and got the following fault: https://gist.github.com/b1dfb8aa85199cf36efc
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<ryanf> yeah it probably is a ruby bug. I'm pretty sure pry-nav is pure ruby
<ryanf> maybe something's wrong with set_trace_func in 1.9.3-p0
<shevy> hmm
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<drbrain> you've got several C extensions loaded
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<ryanf> oh, one is ruby-debug. I think that's bad news on 1.9.3 still, isn't it?
<ylluminate> hmm
<drbrain> nokogiri, unicorn, ...
<drbrain> look for '.bundle'
<drbrain> before submitting it to ruby, load fewer libraries
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<ylluminate> in this case drbrain i can't limit this particular project down; but i suppose i'll just create a new rails project to test this on without the additions
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<ryanf> can you reproduce it at all?
<ylluminate> but when you say look for .bundle, you're just saying to trace those down in the segfault stacktrace
<ryanf> nah he means in the list of loaded stuff at the bottom
<ylluminate> yes ryanf, i can reproduce it in my scenario on my app each time; i've not tried it elsewhere yet
<ryanf> every file with .bundle in there is a C library
<ryanf> oh cool
<ryanf> maybe tag your repo or something to make sure you don't lose the scenario before you can try getting to a more minimal case
<drbrain> some come with ruby, some are external
<ylluminate> here's my crash report as well: http://j.mp/w0F9Rw
<ylluminate> one note that was thrown out on the pry-nav readme is that it's not threadsafe yet, but i didn't think that this was running in a threaded environment
<ylluminate> yet i wasn't sure how it's jumping into monitor.rb. from what i'm seeing i didn't think that it should be doing that
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<ylluminate> interesting
<ylluminate> it actually seems to come from Mysql2::Error
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<apeiros_> what's the easiest way to unpack a foo.gem file? I want the unpacked data entry in the tar.
<shevy> apeiros_ hmmm "gem unpack" does not work?
<apeiros_> I see Gem::Installer, Gem::Package::TarReader and Gem.gunzip - and I'm sure I could build something from these (or just plain shelling out)
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<apeiros_> shevy: that's already a nice improvement over my shoddy tar -xf & gunzip shell-out I currently use
<shevy> it seems to call "Gem::Installer.new(path, :unpack => true).unpack target_dir" I am finding out where Installere is
<apeiros_> dang, I missed Gem::Installer#unpack accepting a dir…
* apeiros_ tries
<shevy> hmm that is the code part that seems to do the unpack stuff:
<rue> Unpack should be fine
<apeiros_> yeah, seems to work out nicely. I was worried about Gem::Installer stating it'd install executables etc. too
<shevy> oh yeah ... the "out.write file_data" seems to do the unpacking
<apeiros_> that'll do nicely. thanks shevy!
<apeiros_> anybody happen to know what the ruby equivalent to `yard .` is? :)
<rue> For rdoc(1)?
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<apeiros_> err, sorry, `yard doc`
<manveru> h4y4shi: i'm always on
<apeiros_> as in: generate the docs for the library in the current working directory
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<rue> I think just $ rdoc but I don't remember where it looks by default
<rue> -o for output other than doc/
<apeiros_> rue: no, I mean programmatically generate docs using yard, without shelling out
<apeiros_> for now I'm resorting to YARD::CLI::Yardoc.run('-o', target_dir)
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<Doggmann> HEY ANYONE HERE
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<bnagy> NO TRY IN #JAVA
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<ruskie> heh
<ruskie> WHAT? SPEAK UP SONNY!
* unsymbol chortles
<oddmunds> Are any of you, good guys, aware of any IRC channels regarding/related to/concerning software craftsmanship?
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<yorickpeterse> oddmunds: eh, this one?
<oddmunds> yorickpeterse: i've got a sort of java specific question
<yorickpeterse> Oh, try #java
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<andrewvos> Get it while it's new http://fuckingawesomesongs.com/submit
<shevy> who mentioned the devil first :(
<shevy> was it you andrewvos
<shevy> you sinful man
<andrewvos> What?
<shevy> the java devil!
<shevy> someone let it out the bag again
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<lianj> too bad some of them wont play in germany due to f'ing GEMA
<shevy> hehe
<shevy> yeah the strangest thing is
<shevy> when I click on youtube, I sometimes get "this is blocked in your country"
<shevy> then I search for the same song, by another uploader
<shevy> and it plays!
<lianj> haha
<shevy> It reminds me of copy protection. The paying customer has to deal with it, the others just download a version without protection
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<andrewvos> ruby-lang: Am I being an idiot or will this work?
<shevy> eeks eval!
<shevy> I think if this is a download, then the dataset of that will be assigned to @songs or?
<andrewvos> shevy: Just answer the question
<andrewvos> So my plan is to make the site faster by doing the download in teh background
<lianj> just try and see that is doesnt
<yorickpeterse> You probably want to use JSON for that
<shevy> hmm
<yorickpeterse> eval() + remote output = not a very good idea
<lianj> haha, that too
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Meh
<andrewvos> Just wondering if it will cause the json to get parsed and stored every time, but without the initial delay
<yorickpeterse> Just cache it after it was generated for the first time
<yorickpeterse> I really recommend against using eval() for this
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: If I change the json file I want it to be updated automatically
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Cool I will use json.parse then
<yorickpeterse> Just imagine somebody putting `rm -rf ./*` in that file :)
<andrewvos> hehe
<andrewvos> Good point
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<lianj> what should the forking do?
<andrewvos> lianj: Run in the background
<andrewvos> lianj: and update songs every time
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<lianj> ah ok, @songs ||= download_songs so on the first time, it does it without forking and next times it does
<andrewvos> lianj: Sound legit?
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<lianj> andrewvos: what server do you sue?
<andrewvos> lianj: Heroku. No forking on there?
<lianj> they use thin right?
<andrewvos> lianj: Yep
<andrewvos> lianj: I'm using thin too and it appears to work
<lianj> hm, my example too?
<andrewvos> lianj: Not sure didn't try it :|
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<lianj> thin uses EM. why not use this for fetching the data without block?
<lianj> *ing
<andrewvos> Looks like it's working http://fuckingawesomesongs.com/birdy/skinny-love
<andrewvos> lianj: What's EM?
<tbuehlmann> EventMachine. dude, you're getting Internal Server Error for http://fuckingawesomesongs.com/birdy/foo
<andrewvos> tbuehlmann: That's not a url
<andrewvos> Suppose I should 404
<tbuehlmann> EM.system? why not just em-hhtp-request
<lianj> tbuehlmann: dependencies :P
<tbuehlmann> if it's not an URL, what is it?
<tbuehlmann> I don't think you can shellout on heroku, right?
<lianj> dunno
<lianj> iirc you can
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<lianj> tbuehlmann: you can, heroku console '`cat /proc/cpuinfo`' :)
<tbuehlmann> nice
<tbuehlmann> don't do it :P
<lianj> hehe
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<andrewvos> heroku run bash <-- something like that
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<lianj> anyhow, are you sure your forking does update @songs at all?
<andrewvos> lianj: True
<andrewvos> lianj: I should have written tests :|
<lianj> besides the point that using EM for non blocking io if youre using Thin already is prolly better idea
<lianj> my first example (from above) does not update the ivar
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<andrewvos> :/
<injekt> doesn't that only get populated when you restart?
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<andrewvos> injekt: Hope not
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<apeiros_> injekt: did you write slop?
<apeiros_> ah, yepp, github seems to say you did :)
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<lianj> andrewvos: please just use EM.system or em-http-request :P
<andrewvos> lianj: Meh, I've already coded it
<andrewvos> :)
<andrewvos> lianj: Pull requests are turned on ;)
<kalleth> mex = Mutex.new
<kalleth> ;)
<TTilus> *sob* seems i need to communicate to VB.NET software on the client side of my webapp using DCOM+
<lianj> andrewvos: coded what? the 4 lines fork crap?
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<andrewvos> lianj: Yep
<TTilus> anyone done anything like that?
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<andrewvos> TTilus: lolwhut
<andrewvos> TTilus: Client side? YOu need to communicate with vb.net from JS?
<TTilus> do i really need to go put together an activex control or somethng shit like that?
<TTilus> andrewvos: essentially
<TTilus> andrewvos: i guess its more or less impossible from js running within browser
<kalleth> erm, what
<TTilus> andrewvos: but applet/flash/activex/*duh* might do it
<kalleth> doesn't IE have bindings to activex shite?
<kalleth> like, js bindings?
<kalleth> hm, no
<TTilus> hum, ie only requirement when dcom is needed and those could do the job
<TTilus> if there are any
<TTilus> damn need to read more
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<PatrixCR> can someone please tell me why Kernel.class returns Module instead of Class?
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<Mon_Ouie> Because Kernel is not a class
<PatrixCR> So, Kernel is what? a module?
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<Mon_Ouie> Yep, just like Math or Enumerable
<apeiros_> ruby actually told you what it is when you did Kernel.class…
<PatrixCR> do you know a place where I can find Ruby's object hierarchy graph?
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<Mon_Ouie> ri Class
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<PatrixCR> a module's class is Module, a class' class is Class. Is there anything else?
<apeiros_> yes
<apeiros_> all the classes that are
<apeiros_> [].class # => Array
<apeiros_> etc.
<Mon_Ouie> Also classes are modules
<Mon_Ouie> Array.is_a? Module #=> true
<apeiros_> that's because Class < Module
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<apeiros_> (Class inherits from Module --> Class < Module)
<PatrixCR> I know about that
<PatrixCR> what's shocking to me when I type Kernel.class and I got Module as the answer. I was like: WTF?
<heftig> You can't instantiate a "Kernel"
<apeiros_> and why'd that be? (the WTF)
<PatrixCR> I thought all classes' class is Class. Didn't know that Kernel is not a class.
<PatrixCR> but Module itself is a class, isn't it?
<apeiros_> yes
<apeiros_> and all classes' class is indeed Class
<PatrixCR> man, this stuff is confusing for java programmer :D
<heftig> module is a bit like a package. it can be used for namespacing
<apeiros_> well, for a java programmer, it might also be surprising that: classes are object, that class methods are really instance methods too, just of a different class (the singleton_class)
<shevy> PatrixCR you can think of Modules like crippled, stupid classes if that helps you
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<shevy> classes can be used for namespacing too, just look at apeiros_ code :)
<heftig> shevy: of course, that follows from Class < Module
<PatrixCR> I know that classes are objects. When I first read it, I was totally shocked :D
<PatrixCR> thanks everyone
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<PatrixCR> One more thing. Is "metaclass" the same as "singleton class"?
<Mon_Ouie> Depends. In Ruby it is (or has been) used for that too, but usually it means a class whose instances are classes too
<Mon_Ouie> singleton class is the term used in Ruby method names
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<rue> In Ruby-related texts, they are indeed the same thing
<PatrixCR> so, if: foo = Foo.new. and then I do: class << foo ... end , it alters the foo's metaclass, no?
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<Mon_Ouie> Right
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<PatrixCR> hm, I'm starting to get it now. :D :D :D
<PatrixCR> thanks mon_ouie, thanks everyone
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<necromancer> how do you test for a certain exception being raised in RSpec? I want to see if a method in my model throws a custom exception that I created, but when I use lead.save.should raise_error(DuplicateLeadError), i get "expected Leader::DuplicateLeadError, got #<NoMethodError: undefined method `call' for true:TrueClass>"
<nofxx> necromancer, wrap it in lambda
<nofxx> lambda { wow! }.should raise_error
<necromancer> uhh
<necromancer> so lambda { lead.save! }.should raise_error?
<nofxx> yup.. you need a scope to return from
<necromancer> oh that makes sense now :)
<necromancer> thanks nofxx
<Mon_Ouie> Lack of quotes gets confusing at some point
<nofxx> necromancer, cool, np
<Mon_Ouie> (Because 'raise_error?' is a valid method name)
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<andkerosine> Fun fact: you need 323 zeroes before a 1 before Ruby will incorrectly recognize it as equaling zero.
<rue> For a float, you mean?
<andkerosine> Mm-hmm.
<andkerosine> I realize it's architecture-dependent.
<Mon_Ouie> (0..Float::INFINITY).find { |n| eval("0.#{'0' * n}1 == 0") }
<rue> Usually float comparisons use a delta
<rue> When you need exact decimals, BigDecimal is the way to go.
<andkerosine> Accurate to thousands of places, presumably?
<rue> No, exact
<rue> Floats aren't
<rue> Well, exact limited by your available memory
<Mon_Ouie> Floats have a fixed size, so can't represent anything; BigDecimal can be arbitrarily big
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<andkerosine> Ah, it's string manipulation, pretty much.
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<rUBYbuby> json is installed! time to celebrate
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<grandy> hello i'm writing some code w/ mixins and there is some odd behavior (odd to me) where a method is not found. This is when I call a method defined by a previously included module from a different module... as in C includes A and B, and A has the method foo. When an instance of B tries to call foo() it complains that the method can't be found
<andkerosine> You'll likely need to post your code for a proper diagnosis.
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<Mon_Ouie> Why would B get the method from A?
<shevy> code code code we must see code!
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<grandy> Mon_Ouie: ahh i thought the context of execution was inside C
<grandy> Mon_Ouie: which would mean that C saw all methods, so that even if a method was defined inside A, since C called the method from B it would also see hte method in A
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<rue> Code.
<Mon_Ouie> Yeah, too many abstract letters
<rue> module A; def foo; bar; end; end; module B; def bar; p :bar; end; end; class C; include A, B; end; C.new.foo # This works
<ReinH> hey, letters are concrete :p
<rue> AbstractLetterFactoryFactory.instance()
<rue> Your code also works
<grandy> hmm wait, that example works
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<grandy> my actual code is calling it from inside a method defined by define_method
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<rue> That's not a problem. Maybe you're creating a class method instead, or something
<grandy> rue: ahh ok
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<grandy> does define_method create a class method if called from a class method?
<rue> No
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<grandy> ahh i figured it out
<grandy> weird
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<grandy> it turns out there wasn't "self" defined as expected by me
<grandy> inside the call to the block method
<grandy> jeez realized i don't understand this stuff as well as i though
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<grandy> is there a way to idenitfy the caller of a block from w/in the block?
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<shevy> grandy self?
<shevy> normally the caller is available in "caller"
<grandy> shevy: thanks!
<shevy> I dont think you will really need it though
<shevy> normally a block to a method is mostly just an extra fancy argument to it
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<grandy> shevy: in this case i realized that the module method i'm trying to call is out of scope so i can pass in the caller as an arg
<grandy> i just figured maybe i could introspect what the caller was
<grandy> to avoid adding an extra arg
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<Willejs_> hi could anyone help me with this?
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<rue> Willejs_: I dunno about your context (what is a mash?), but #map won't produce a Hash, it'll give you an Array
<rue> And I dunno what “doesn't work” means
<Willejs_> haha, right, i think i need to use #collect
<grandy> does anyone know if there's a way to implement an after filter? ie, a method that is called after every other method?
<Willejs_> and i wasn't declaring value as a variable
<rue> That's an alias for #map
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<MistyM_> #collect just makes so much more sense to me than #map
<MistyM_> Not coming from perl anyway
<rue> It implies more selection to me.
<MistyM_> #select implies selection to me ;)
<lianj> i used collect too at first, but map is just shorter :p
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<MistyM_> Short is nice :b
<MistyM_> PS - lianj, can I snag your OpenAL ffi mappings at some point?
<lianj> sure, didnt i sent you the source?
<MistyM_> If you did I totally forgot.
<MistyM_> (Which is entirely possible. I've only been semi of this earth the past few weeks.)
<lianj> hm, maybe i prepared it but didnt. hold on
<MistyM_> Thanks!
<shevy> MistyM_ for me it's the other way, I always loved .map and hated .collect
<shevy> as the years passed by though, I settled for the shorter variants... .map vs. .collect ... .size vs. .length dunno of any other commonly used method name that has an alias hmm
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<lianj> MistyM_: pm
<Spooner> shevy: I use #size for collections and #length for strings. Oddly, I've recently moved from #select to #find_all because RubyMine marks #select as an error (wrong number of arguments) for no good reason :)
<shevy> hmm odd
<shevy> I normally love the _ token, but in #find_all I hate it ... I tend to prefer #select. Curious that the editor has an impact on the code produced :) for me too, when I look at my ruby code in default geany, I cant stand it
<shevy> also in vim
<shevy> it only looks nice in bluefish :P
<Spooner> shevy: What about _ in #find_all?
<shevy> I need to press that Control key on the left side
<shevy> I hate that!
<Spooner> Oh right, I thgouht you meant the _ variable.
<shevy> ah that one is ok, even though I have to press the control key... I like that it kinda has no name. so I dont have to come up with a name
<shevy> I used to have variables like _tmp though
<shevy> or _ary
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<TTilus> coming from mathematics theres really alternative to .map ;)
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<TTilus> s/really/really no/
<TTilus> *whoopsie*
<shevy> nono dont sub it
<shevy> it is more fun when you keep the sentence as is :)
<ged> Does anyone know how to ask Psych what versions of YAML it supports?
<rue> Interesting
<drbrain> ged: tenderlove doesn't know
<drbrain> ged: but he says 1.0 and 1.1 are supported
<rue> There's the LIBYAML_VERSION constant, but that's probably not helpful.
<rue> Or, well, maybe it is.
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<ged> I guess if you had a mapping of libyaml versions to YAML specs supported, it'd be useful.
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<ged> I was just looking for an analogue of the old YAML::SUPPORTED_YAML_VERSIONS
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