#rubinius on 2015-01-16 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-12-05 03:45 brixen changed the topic of #rubinius to: 2.4.1 - http://releases.rubini.us/rubinius-2.4.1.tar.bz2 : logs - http://irclog.whitequark.org/rubinius

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00:06 <brixen> |jemc|: makes sense to me

00:06 <brixen> |jemc|: thanks very much for working on that

00:10 <|jemc|> yorickpeterse: thanks for finding the code in psych that this sits in - made it very quick to make this fix

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02:15 <|jemc|> psych PR filed: https://github.com/tenderlove/psych/pull/218

02:16 <|jemc|> although psych tests do not yet pass on rbx

02:17 <|jemc|> I'll see if I can clear out the other failures as well so that we can get rbx on their travis list

02:17 <|jemc|> (and hopefully avoid similar problems in the future before they get released)

02:22 <|jemc|> mm.. never mind, the tests will never pass on rubinius as long as they're supporting the subclass-of-hash-with-ivars use case

02:24 <|jemc|> or until Rubinius implements Rubinius::Tuple#encode_with for psych's CI's sake

02:26 <|jemc|> HA!

02:27 <|jemc|> here's a pretty funny irony given todays' debacle:

02:27 <|jemc|> https://github.com/tenderlove/psych/blob/47adf879591570daebde62895b3712c216710661/ext/psych/psych_yaml_tree.c#L5-L13

02:28 <|jemc|> a special C method just to pull the MRI "hidden" instance variables out of Exceptions

02:28 <|jemc|> with hidden meaning the ones with no '@'

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03:10 <brixen> hilarious

03:10 <brixen> |jemc|: I don't understand your comment about "as long as they're supporting..."

03:10 <brixen> why would a Hash subclass with ivars not be supported on rbx?

03:13 <|jemc|> brixen: because the following is still the YAML output for a Hash subclass object, even after my PR:

03:14 <|jemc|> https://gist.github.com/jemc/ab6e6208d2a4026bfed2

03:14 <|jemc|> (example taken from psych's test suite)

03:15 <|jemc|> because Tuple can't be serialized/deserialize with the it-always-works-for-ruby-classes copy-all-the-instance-variables approach

03:16 <|jemc|> my thought is that people who use "feature" on Rubinius deserve what they get

03:16 <|jemc|> *who use this

03:16 <|jemc|> but it's in psych's test suite, so rubinius won't pass those tests

03:17 <brixen> well then they should fix their tests

03:18 <brixen> seriously, a project as entwined as psych in Ruby not running their tests on rbx is BS

03:18 <|jemc|> I don't disagree - but my PR fixes the most widespread issue and I think I'll leave it there for now

03:19 <brixen> sure, not saying you need to work more on it :)

03:19 <brixen> thanks for doing the PR

03:19 <brixen> I'll see if I can bundle a forked 2.0.9

03:19 <brixen> also exceedingly annoying that a breaking behavior change was made in a teeny version bump

03:20 <brixen> also, they've run out of teeny version numbers under MRI's version-alike scheme

03:20 <|jemc|> brixen: last time I complained about the breaking-change-on-minor-version-number for Qt, didn't you link me to a youtube video about systems on the edge of failure as a standard operating point

03:20 <brixen> I wonder if they'll actually do 2.0.10

03:20 <|jemc|> :P

03:20 <brixen> indeed

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03:21 <brixen> and I shouldn't be surprised or annoyed

03:21 <brixen> MRI has added breaking changes in an invisible patch level

03:21 <brixen> invisible to the normal RUBY_VERSION

03:23 <|jemc|> as I mentioned before, we could work around the hash subclass issue just for psych's tests by implementing Rubinius::Tuple#encode_with

03:23 <|jemc|> but I doubt you're in favor of that :P

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03:25 <brixen> Tuple won't even be visible to Ruby soon, so I'm not motivated to care :)

03:26 <brixen> so, I can bundle a forked psych for a release tarball but not for people building from a clone

03:26 <brixen> what a total effen pain in the ass

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03:26 <brixen> 2.0.9 doesn't even have a release tag?

03:29 <brixen> I think I'm just going to leave it locked at 2.0.6

03:35 <brixen> why the hell did this vbox start using nano for git amends

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07:08 <|jemc|> brixen: psych PR #217 is merged

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07:09 <|jemc|> er.. 218

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09:17 <yorickpeterse> morning

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09:37 <[spoiler]> my log looks like a shrine to tenderlove; he keeps joining and leaving the channel lol

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09:41 <yorickpeterse> Thankfully I filter quits

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09:43 <[spoiler]> haha, I have them on because I once held a monologue

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10:00 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/bundler/bundler/blob/13e860a4f2e687e5e9f26c233d84097712981aaa/lib/bundler/installer.rb#L175 what the

10:01 <yorickpeterse> Ah

10:01 <yorickpeterse> That gets turned into 755

10:01 <yorickpeterse> pfew

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12:42 <dmilith> http://s.verknowsys.com/b09d6bf5c0e0e55dffb3c1e52330d213e4dd3a72.png

12:42 <dmilith> any ideas how to solve it? should I build ruby with debug support for this?

12:44 <yorickpeterse> No

12:44 <yorickpeterse> byebug doesn't work on Rubinius

12:44 <yorickpeterse> It's MRI specific

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12:47 <dmilith> i see, allright, thanks

12:48 <dmilith> any known replacement for it for rubinius?

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12:49 <yorickpeterse> rubinius has a built-in debugger

12:49 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius-debugger

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13:11 <dmilith> cool. thanks!

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13:19 <dmilith> yorickpeterse: I see that rubinius "likes" freebsd hosts, but I'm curious about one special dependency - llvm. Do I need only pure LLVM or whole bundle including clang?

13:20 <dmilith> I'm talking about --enable-llvm option

13:20 <dmilith> which should speed up rubinius a lot

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13:20 <dmilith> but by default I don't have llvm-config on osx 10.10 and fbsd 10.1

13:20 <yorickpeterse> I'm not sure what you're on about

13:21 <yorickpeterse> LLVM is used for the JIT, it's highly recommend to enable/use it

13:21 <yorickpeterse> * recommended

13:21 <yorickpeterse> You only need LLVM, although you can use clang for compilation as well

13:21 <yorickpeterse> clang is faster/uses less memory compared to gcc

13:21 <dmilith> I know

13:21 <dmilith> fbsd 10.1 has only clang

13:22 <dmilith> same on osx 10.10

13:22 <dmilith> there's gcc no more :)

13:22 <yorickpeterse> nice

13:22 <dmilith> allright, I'll try with building llvm

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13:43 <dmilith> I'm just switching whole rails project from MRI to rubinius. Just to let you know, you're doing great job ^^

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13:48 <yorickpeterse> man, concurrent-ruby is cool

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13:48 <yorickpeterse> dmilith: nice

13:48 <yorickpeterse> dmilith: let us know if you bump into anything

13:48 <dmilith> I will. I moved my current company from Php to Ruby, now it's time for them, to forget about MRI ;]

13:49 <dmilith> I will report any issues for sure. thanks for help and good will

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13:53 <yorickpeterse> Core 0: +88.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

13:53 <yorickpeterse> come on little laptop

13:53 <yorickpeterse> you can do it

13:53 <yorickpeterse> compile that Rbx

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13:54 <dmilith> :D

13:54 <dmilith> that's why I'm using my mba only as a remote console

13:55 <dmilith> rbx is taking a while to build even on more powerful machine ;]

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14:01 <yorickpeterse> dmilith: out of curiosity, what are you reasons for moving to Rbx?

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14:17 <[spoiler]> The only issue I have with RBX is startup time, but idm it that much.

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14:21 <nirvdrum> brixen: psych 2.0.9 and 2.0.10 are tagged now.

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14:23 <cremes> this looks cool: http://rbkit.codemancers.com

14:23 <cremes> MRI only

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14:51 <yorickpeterse> brixen: seems we still have some JIT issues with block args

14:51 <yorickpeterse> I have this line `reviewer = review['reviewer']` which now all of a sudden triggers `Coercion error: "reviewer".to_int => Fixnum failed (TypeError)`

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15:37 <brixen> yorickpeterse: ok, you could try adding + tagging a spec/jit/ spec

15:37 <brixen> I'll confirm psych 2.0.10 and then work on 2.5.0 release

15:37 <brixen> 4 weeks overdue :(

15:37 <brixen> please no one schedule more holidays for a few months, kthk

15:37 <brixen> thx

15:39 <brixen> dmilith: what platforms are you on? we're trying to get more packaging out there so people don't compile from source

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15:39 <yorickpeterse> brixen: heh, too busy migrating data using rbx here :P

15:39 <yorickpeterse> sadly that means my CPU is getting hot

15:40 <brixen> throw some water on it

15:40 <yorickpeterse> which means I have my laptop on a box so the fans can do their work better

15:40 <brixen> oh wait...

15:40 <yorickpeterse> 80C at 6400 RPM

15:40 <yorickpeterse> at least it actually uses all 4 cores

15:40 <yorickpeterse> instead of 20% of 1 core

15:40 <brixen> yeah, it's nice to use some cores

15:41 <brixen> Rubinius: Use Cores™

15:43 <yorickpeterse> sadly it's in the end not much faster, so there's probably a bottleneck somewhere

15:43 <yorickpeterse> also lol my script is killing our internet it seems

15:43 <yorickpeterse> E_TOO_CONCURRENT

15:43 <cpuguy83> brixen: But does it have electrolytes?

15:44 <brixen> cpuguy83: unsure, I think it has antioxidants, though

15:45 <brixen> if only everything were as easy as heroku: I build binaries, upload them, available to everyone immediately

15:45 <brixen> I guess Docker will be like that, too

15:45 <brixen> cpuguy83: what's docker on FreeBSD, OpenBSD look like?

15:46 <cpuguy83> Non-existant atm

15:46 <brixen> :sadface:

15:46 <cpuguy83> Joyent is working on linux branded zones for Illumos/SmartOS

15:46 <cpuguy83> And using Docker to drive that.

15:46 <brixen> oh, I think I saw that mentioned

15:46 <brixen> nice

15:47 <brixen> cpuguy83: do you know offhand if there's a handy Atom plugin to manage docker?

15:47 <cpuguy83> Docker on Windows should help to move other projects forward a little faster as well.

15:47 <brixen> heh

15:47 <brixen> my immediate plan for rbx on Windows is Docker :)

15:48 <cpuguy83> Since it will help to de-Linuxify the codebase.

15:48 <brixen> our one coworker who is a dedicated Windows user is investigating for me

15:48 <cpuguy83> Well, MS is building container support into Windows server, so this could be confusing... since Linux Rbx wouldn't run on a Windows daemon.

15:49 <brixen> that would be confusing

15:49 <brixen> I have no idea what the even means

15:49 <brixen> "we've built in support for X but if you run on X it won't work" ?

15:52 <cpuguy83> That means a Windows docker client could (and actually can today on master) talk to a Linux daemon, but native Windows containerization is also happening. Since container images are not cross-platform (no real virtualization), you have Windows images for the Windows daemon, Linux images for the Linux daemon.

15:52 <cpuguy83> And of course Joyent's stuff would emulate Linux at the OS level, so you could run Linux images on Joyent's branded zones... yeah, fun stuff.

15:52 <cpuguy83> something we have to manage.

15:53 <brixen> ah, I see

15:54 <brixen> the orthogonalization of virtualization and containers is a good thing

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16:34 <brixen> hmm, psych 2.0.10 appears to work, but now bundler is deleting the .bundle/config file

16:35 <brixen> I wonder if it's bundler 1.7.12 or something else messed up with psych/yaml assumptions

16:36 <brixen> hm, actually that's not it

16:36 <brixen> can't read diffs :(

16:36 <brixen> it's just adding the yaml doc separator, weird

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16:44 <GitHub135> [rubinius] brixen pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/DQk2wg

16:44 <GitHub135> rubinius/master 57db0d9 Brian Shirai: Define macro if using vendored libyaml.

16:44 <GitHub135> rubinius/master b67419a Brian Shirai: Updated psych to 2.0.10.

16:44 <GitHub135> rubinius/master 114bed6 Brian Shirai: Updated bundler to 1.7.12.

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16:46 <dmilith> brixen: I'm using FreeBSD 10.1 on productions, OSX 10.10.1 on development, but I'm doing my own builds (dedicated software for is - Sofin) - for example build of Rubinius for FreeBSD 10.1 is here: http://software.verknowsys.com/binary/FreeBSD-10.1-amd64/

16:47 <dmilith> s/is/it/

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16:57 <brixen> dmilith: ahh, interesting

16:57 <brixen> dmilith: can I point people to this? :)

16:58 <dmilith> sure. https://github.com/VerKnowSys/sofin

16:58 <brixen> I think eg OpenBSD is still shipping rbx 1.2.4 :'(

16:58 <dmilith> it's KISS stuff, BSD licensed. Do whatever you want with it :}

16:58 <dmilith> um. I didn't play with OpenBSD yet

16:58 <brixen> and we missed some cutoff so the newer version will ship 2.2.10 for the next 6 months or something

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16:58 <brixen> it's impossible to work with a packaging system like that

16:59 <brixen> dmilith: I need to get a packaging page up on rubini.us

16:59 <brixen> I'll note your sofin

17:01 <dmilith> feel free to mention me if you do

17:01 <brixen> definitely

17:02 <dmilith> not many people are using sofin atm.

17:02 <brixen> I'd actually like to include contact info on the page

17:02 <brixen> so, if you want to provide that, it would be great

17:02 <brixen> doesn't have to be your contact info, but whatever are the main contact info for the project, etc

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17:12 <brixen> dmilith: so, can sofin and brew co-exist?

17:12 <brixen> or is that a recipe for RVM^H^H^Hdisaster?

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17:13 <cremes> brixen: i’m starting to spike out some code to use memory-mapped files for file IO. One of the things I can see that I’ll need is a #slice method on FFI::Pointer. Would that API change be acceptable to FFI? I ask because i know you are planning a major revision.

17:13 <brixen> cremes: make whatever API you need :)

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17:13 <dmilith> brixen: technically, yes

17:13 <brixen> we can iterate

17:13 <dmilith> but

17:13 <cremes> ok

17:13 <dmilith> there's danger with that

17:14 <brixen> cremes: also, ByteArray objects will have the ability to simply index another memory space

17:14 <brixen> cremes: instead of containing all the bytes themselves

17:14 <dmilith> cause some software maintainers does hardcode -I /usr/local/include or -L /usr/local/lib into their setup scripts (usually configure)

17:14 <brixen> cremes: so, reading a file into eg lines, will be extremely efficient

17:14 <cremes> brixen: oh? i’ll look into that class.

17:14 <brixen> cremes: when all the ByteArrays that reference that mmap go away, the resource is released

17:15 <dmilith> so there's possibility, that some software will link with /usr/local/lib/*

17:15 <cremes> hopefully there’s a #to_s on ByteArray to quickly generate Ruby Strings...

17:15 <brixen> dmilith: ah yeah, that makes sense

17:15 <brixen> cremes: a ByteArray is the storage for String

17:15 <dmilith> so Sofin will by default warn you, that /usr/local exists. In perfect system there's no /usr/local ;]

17:15 <dmilith> of course it's just an assumption

17:15 <brixen> cremes: there's no need to "generate" anything, but another ByteArray that references the other memory

17:15 <cremes> even better.

17:15 <brixen> cremes: substrings, etc, are extremely simple

17:16 <brixen> dmilith: ok

17:16 <dmilith> to make sure that each built software won't have external /unwanted dependencies without hacking built software itself

17:16 <brixen> dmilith: is there a doc about using sofin with brew, caveats, etc?

17:16 <cremes> excellent. I’ll try to get my spike up on a branch this weekend.

17:16 <brixen> dmilith: also, any chance to use eg brew bottles for stuff like LLVM

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17:16 <brixen> dmilith: since compiling really huge projects like that is terrible

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17:17 <brixen> cremes: sweet!

17:17 <brixen> cremes: btw, buffering completely disappears when you can mmap the underlying resource

17:17 <dmilith> it is, that's why i do binary builds

17:17 <brixen> cremes: just fyi :)

17:17 <cremes> brixen: *exactly*

17:17 <dmilith> you have to build software ONCE, per version

17:17 <cremes> :)

17:17 <brixen> dmilith: ok

17:17 <dmilith> on each system ofc

17:17 <brixen> yeah

17:17 <dmilith> after then, i'm doing sofin push Rubinius

17:18 <dmilith> and it's then available using sofin install / get

17:18 <brixen> ok

17:18 <cremes> that’s why i’m doing it for files… buffering is complex and hasn’t shown any perf improvement. However, we’ll need to keep some of that logic around for non-file file descriptors (pipes, sockets, etc)

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17:18 <brixen> cremes: that could be piggy backed on mmap, too :)

17:19 <cremes> really? i’ll have to google around for an example of using mmap with a socket (for example)

17:19 <brixen> not with a socket

17:19 <brixen> the socket is the sink for the mmap region

17:19 <brixen> the mmap region is the sink for the user output

17:20 <cremes> oh…

17:20 <cremes> that makes sense

17:20 <brixen> a simple independent thread / event loop periodically flushes

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17:20 <cremes> ring buffers

17:21 <brixen> hemispherical octogonal greenhouse parks

17:21 <brixen> or ring buffers, whatever works

17:21 <brixen> :)

17:21 <cremes> heh

17:21 <cremes> i think i’ll do the simplest possible thing that i can get to work (on files). like you said, we can iterate on it.

17:22 <brixen> totally

17:23 <brixen> cremes: btw, what I meant by FFI getting a complete revamp, its foundation is moving into instructions

17:23 <brixen> the API itself is going to be unborked from all those read_array_of_int nonsense into classes

17:23 <cremes> so you are moving towards CISC and away from RISC? (showing my age with those terms)

17:24 <brixen> unsure if those two concepts actually capture it

17:24 <cremes> nice. encapsulation and single responsibility for the win.

17:24 <brixen> I tried to explain in the rbx 3.0 post about the semantic cone vs the semantic column

17:24 <brixen> our existing ISA isn't really RISC

17:24 <cremes> i’ll have to take another look at that post

17:24 <brixen> but it is very abstract in most places

17:25 <brixen> looking forward to playing with some asm.js for this ;)

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17:25 <brixen> s/for/with/

17:26 <cremes> seeing a concrete example of what any of these new instructions will look like will probably go a long way in clarifying them.

17:26 <|jemc|> cremes: are you adding to the API for ::Rubinius::FFI or ::FFI?

17:26 * cremes waits paitenty for brixen’s bootstrap work for rbx-x to land

17:26 <cremes> |jemc|: to Rubinius::FFI. the ::FFI::Pointer class already has #slice.

17:27 <|jemc|> cremes: ah, cool

17:27 <cremes> but now that i know about ByteArrays, we’ll see what i actually need to add to support this.

17:27 <|jemc|> cremes: I've been doing a bit of work to try to make it easier to target both FFIs at once

17:27 <cremes> i’ll ping the lchannel when my changes get pushed.

17:27 <brixen> cremes: well, ByteArray doesn't have this mod yet

17:27 <|jemc|> cremes: for libraries like your ffi-rzmq-core

17:27 <brixen> cremes: you'd still need to copy

17:27 <brixen> cremes: but the mod to not copy will be trivial

17:28 <cremes> |jemc|: nice. is it a FFI wrapper class or somesuch?

17:28 <cremes> brixen: ok

17:28 <dmilith> brixen: i wrote an article about Sofin for bsd magazine. It's on wiki here: https://github.com/VerKnowSys/sofin/wiki/Sofin,-the-software-installer - it's old, but contains most of assumptions explained

17:28 <brixen> dmilith: sweet!

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17:28 <brixen> btw, what do people use to keep track of links these days?

17:28 <|jemc|> cremes: I've just been doing ::Rubinius::FFI = ::FFI and seeing what breaks :P

17:28 <|jemc|> err

17:28 <cremes> ha!

17:28 <|jemc|> other way around

17:28 <brixen> I keep links in browser taps

17:29 <brixen> er tabs

17:29 <dmilith> brixen: i'm using things.app and hackpad.com

17:29 <|jemc|> cremes: I'm not aiming for 100% compatibility - I don't have that kind of time, but it would be great for the few libraries I care about to run on both

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17:30 <|jemc|> cremes: I get a pretty significant speed boost with Rubinius::FFI

17:30 <brixen> dmilith: hm, hackpad looks interesting except the acquired by dropbox part

17:30 <|jemc|> cremes: plus I'm working in the zeromq organization on the zproject project to add auto-generated ruby FFI bindings to any C project that uses it

17:30 <dmilith> yeah.. I did use hackpad before acquisition

17:30 <cremes> |jemc|: sure. long term the whole ffi-rzmq-* stuff should go away in favor of an FFI wrapper around czmq. You might want to target that project (rbzmq?) for your FFI experiments.

17:31 <|jemc|> cremes: I totally agree - my team is talking about migrating our private code onto ruby-wrapped czmq in the next few months

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17:32 <cremes> |jemc|: good plan.

17:32 <cremes> i approve

17:32 <|jemc|> cremes: but my main target is the zproject work - I might want you to take a look at what I'm doing there at some point to make sure I'm not going down any bad rabbit holes

17:32 <|jemc|> but since I'm writing those code generators, it should be easy for me to make sure they can target both ::FFI and ::Rubinius::FFI if I steer away from the differences

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17:33 <cremes> |jemc|: sure, happy to look though my zeromq expertise is withering on the vine a bit lately. what i have used it for “just works” so i haven’t mucked with it a lot lately.

17:33 <|jemc|> cremes: this part is actually not really zeromq-specific, but czmq-style-classes specifc

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17:33 <|jemc|> zproject in general assumes all your code is CLASS RFC style classes

17:34 <|jemc|> and the ruby part uses that safe assumption to wrap them into clean Ruby object APIs

17:34 <cremes> cool, looking forward to it.

17:35 <|jemc|> so basically, that endeavour is "generate ruby FFI bindings for arbitrary objects that follow the CLASS RFC"

17:35 <cremes> good idea

17:35 <|jemc|> cremes: if you're interested you can already clone it down and it is usable (at least for the two or three projects I've been developing with it)

17:36 <|jemc|> but I'll let you know when I want your specific input

17:36 <cremes> send me a link. i don’t want to get distracted from this memory-mapped IO work though… ;)

17:36 <cremes> i’ve been promising brixen something for 2 months so i gotta get this done

17:36 <|jemc|> https://github.com/zeromq/zproject/blob/master/zproject_bindings_ruby.gsl

17:36 <dmilith> brixen: that article is really old.. there were several changes to sofin core since then ;]

17:37 <|jemc|> heh - no I certainly don't want to distract you from that

17:37 <|jemc|> I'll have a good public example to show you when pieter and I finish the edgenet-hydra app for FOSDEM

17:38 <|jemc|> although that'll be more of a showcase for the QML bindings, the ruby ones will be generated as well at zero-cost :P

17:39 <cremes> |jemc|: now you’ve really peaked my interest. what are you and hintjens cooking up for FOSDEM? (maybe we should take this to zeromq channel)

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17:46 <brixen> dmilith: heh, I went to sign up for hackpad, already had an account :)

17:48 <dmilith> ;]

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18:10 <cremes> need a hand if someone is around. i can build latest master just fine on my laptop, but on my desktop the “configure” step bitches about not being able to find yaml.h

18:10 <cremes> same OS, same MRI version (via chruby & ruby-install) but different results.

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18:11 <cremes> just did “brew unlink libyaml; brew update; brew install libyaml” and get same result.

18:11 <cremes> OSX 10.10.1

18:11 <cremes> https://gist.github.com/chuckremes/485526fe5e5891d05ee5

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18:14 <|jemc|> cremes: do these commits help you figure out what's going on:

18:14 <|jemc|> https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/commit/8798016586e3fc602d0ba1a9edb019ed0f741112

18:14 <|jemc|> https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/commit/d7b4a3ae8e302dd7b37fa975653cef8e2695f215

18:15 <|jemc|> rubinius is now vendoring libyaml (for now?)

18:15 <|jemc|> I probably can't help you more than that, as I don't use OS X

18:15 <cremes> if it’s vendoring it, then configure should find it within teh rubinius directory structure.

18:16 <cremes> let me see if i can get it to work with some configure flags

18:17 <cremes> heh, works with “—with-vendor-yaml” so i’ll go with that for now. still, strange that it works without that on my laptop...

18:18 <cremes> solved, for now.

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18:24 <brixen> cremes: the vendored libyaml is not enabled by default

18:25 <brixen> if you have the yaml package installed, it should work

18:25 <brixen> if it doesn't, seems like it could be a system issue

18:26 <brixen> the vendored libyaml doesn't actually fix statically linking psych.so/bundle yet

18:26 <brixen> working on that

18:26 <brixen> mkmf makes shit stupid hard

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19:24 <yorickpeterse> you don't like global variables and hooks?

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19:54 <brixen> hmm, wow did I fuck this up

19:54 <brixen> apparently psych vendored yaml late 2012

19:55 <brixen> but since our build system depends on Ruby, and psych only uses the vendored yaml if the system doesn't have it

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19:55 <brixen> when building heroku binaries, it was super hard to get the rbx installed psych to not use the system libs

19:56 <brixen> which is why I initially gave up vendoring it and used syck to bootstrap

19:56 <brixen> priority #2 for 2015 Q1: kill Ruby as a build dependency

19:57 <brixen> anyway, just built a binary for heroku that works fine without our vendored yaml, since it built with its own vendored yaml

19:59 <brixen> but now I have to work around this bootstrapping issue

19:59 <brixen> last rbx release binary to the rescue

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20:01 <yorickpeterse> brixen: sometimes I wonder what you drink that keeps you sane

20:01 <yorickpeterse> (mostly sane :P)

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20:02 <yorickpeterse> Unrelated, this recent increaes of rants and generic articles about open floor offices makes me appreciate my own office even more

20:03 <yorickpeterse> I'd hate having to work in an open floor office :|

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20:07 <[spoiler]> what's an open floor office? Like cubicles and stuff?

20:07 <yorickpeterse> as in, one big room with no walls anywhere

20:07 <[spoiler]> ew

20:08 <[spoiler]> I can't even fart there

20:08 <yorickpeterse> http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/300541/file-410359449-jpg/open-office.jpg e.g. this

20:08 <[spoiler]> yep, can't fart there

20:08 <dmilith> brixen: maybe you have some wiki or blog about using current version of rubinius, with compiling to bytecode and then running bytecode version of source?

20:09 <yorickpeterse> we have a crossover between open floor and a private office

20:09 <yorickpeterse> big open room for the chatty people, devs sit in their own enclosure

20:09 <yorickpeterse> (with glass walls)

20:09 <yorickpeterse> aptly nicknamed "The fish bowl"

20:09 <[spoiler]> Well we have offices and all offices are connected by a hallway, and the doors are mostly open; and we have glass walls

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20:10 <brixen> dmilith: something like this? http://rubini.us/2011/03/17/running-ruby-with-no-ruby/

20:10 <[spoiler]> they removed the "normal" walls like a few months before I arrived in favour of glass walls

20:10 <brixen> dmilith: that approach is not sanctioned, but possible at the moment

20:10 <yorickpeterse> http://www.olery.com/blog/we-have-moved-to-a-new-headquarters/ office

20:10 <brixen> dmilith: some upcoming changes to how bytecode is marshaled should make this easier

20:10 <yorickpeterse> that was prior to "put all the things everywhere"

20:10 <yorickpeterse> and "put sticky notes on every window"

20:11 <[spoiler]> yorickpeterse: o nice office. Ours has food everywhere lmao

20:12 <[spoiler]> (from a recent office party)

20:12 <yorickpeterse> heh

20:12 <yorickpeterse> we have a rather strict "no food outside the kitchen" policy

20:12 <yorickpeterse> plus I vacuum the place 5 times a day

20:12 <yorickpeterse> (OCD)

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20:15 <[spoiler]> We have a cleaning crew that cleans our building once a week, but that's Sundays I think

20:16 <yorickpeterse> So we have that on Monday afternoon, but people typically leave crumbs all over the kitchen area

20:16 <yorickpeterse> and I'm the only one not walking on shoes, so it really annoys me

20:16 <yorickpeterse> so I vacuum basically every day :P

20:17 <[spoiler]> lol omg

20:17 <[spoiler]> do you wear slippers?

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20:17 <yorickpeterse> No, just socks

20:17 <[spoiler]> Oh. How come?

20:17 <[spoiler]> Do your feet hurt in shoes?

20:17 <yorickpeterse> The slippers I have make my boss rather..uncomfortable

20:17 <[spoiler]> Are they fluffy?

20:17 <[spoiler]> or are they phallic-shaped?

20:17 <yorickpeterse> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv4ZqGgCUAEmebx.jpg <- slippers

20:17 <[spoiler]> or both?

20:18 <[spoiler]> so it was both

20:18 <yorickpeterse> I just don't like wearing shoes all day

20:18 <[spoiler]> Yeah I get it

20:18 <dmilith> brixen: http://s.verknowsys.com/60357f3ce23b9dc904deeb1f4ee42dee4c4e1d49.png

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20:19 <yorickpeterse> is that...hours?

20:19 <yorickpeterse> oh durrr

20:19 <yorickpeterse> it's the time

20:19 * yorickpeterse likes slapping people and randomly picks himself to slap

20:19 <[spoiler]> LMAO

20:20 <[spoiler]> Oh God that made me lol

20:20 <[spoiler]> and I can't stop

20:21 <brixen> dmilith: unsure what the screen shot shows... working, not working?

20:22 <dmilith> not creating any output files

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20:22 <dmilith> nothing happened

20:22 <yorickpeterse> oh

20:22 <yorickpeterse> heh

20:22 <yorickpeterse> use -o

20:22 <dmilith> i did, earlier

20:22 <dmilith> rbx can't run that file

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20:22 <dmilith> ;]

20:22 <[spoiler]> how'd you run the file, though?

20:23 <yorickpeterse> You can't run compiled files using the `rbx` command

20:23 <brixen> dmilith: you have to give it a magic incantation

20:23 <[spoiler]> and sacrifice a chicken

20:23 <dmilith> probably that's what I'm asking for! ;]

20:23 <[spoiler]> or two for good measure

20:23 <dmilith> mule will be enough for a sacriface?

20:23 <brixen> RBX_RUN_COMPILED=1 rbx foo.rbc

20:24 <dmilith> osom

20:24 <brixen> that will work, but it's not supported

20:24 <dmilith> ;]

20:24 <dmilith> I see

20:24 <dmilith> hacky stuff

20:24 <yorickpeterse> wasn't there something like Rubinius::CodeLoader.load as well?

20:24 <[spoiler]> w[h]acky, even

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20:25 <dmilith> heh

20:25 <dmilith> http://s.verknowsys.com/46692b1fdee36a9dcf2b1766351f0ad06ad64b80.png

20:25 <brixen> required_compiled is the better way

20:25 <dmilith> (yes, it's there)

20:25 <yorickpeterse> dmilith: what are you trying to do anyway?

20:25 <[spoiler]> weird

20:26 <[spoiler]> if it's there it shouldn't error lol

20:26 <dmilith> I'm having fun. Also i'm bugtester in some open source stuff. I have bad luck with these, I use it for community advantage ;]

20:26 <brixen> dmilith: follow the blog post, it shows something like rbx -Iwidget-compiled/lib -e "Rubinius::CodeLoader.require_compiled 'widget/lib/widget'"

20:27 <dmilith> yorickpeterse: i have simple ruby file, I'd like to compile it, and then run that bytecode

20:27 <dmilith> yea, I see that

20:27 <dmilith> will try this one

20:28 <brixen> dmilith: we use it to bootstrap https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/blob/master/rakelib/gems.rake#L49

20:28 <brixen> dmilith: so maybe that example will help

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20:29 <[spoiler]> I think I'mma go to ner

20:29 <[spoiler]> s/ner/bed

20:30 <[spoiler]> Have fun, people! <3

20:30 <dmilith> :}

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20:32 <[spoiler]> I just realised goodnight sounds like some weird brand

20:32 <[spoiler]> ok anyway, good night 4real now, bitches :D

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20:36 <yorickpeterse> brixen: when using Rubinius::JIT.compile, should the 2nd argument be the method of the _instance_ of a class, or the method as returned by the class' instance_method() method?

20:36 <yorickpeterse> That is:

20:36 <yorickpeterse> Rubinius::JIT.compile(some_instance, some_instance.method(:foo).executable)

20:36 <yorickpeterse> vs

20:37 <yorickpeterse> Rubinius::JIT.compile(some_instance, Someclass.instance_method(:foo).executable)

20:37 <dmilith> brixen: step by step. Not really. both versions (compiled and not compiled) doesn't run here

20:37 <dmilith> http://s.verknowsys.com/0b9f06117a14b6f4732d7be92f2e1a6c8df2f2ae.png

20:37 <dmilith> don't

20:37 <dmilith> interesting

20:38 <dmilith> http://s.verknowsys.com/a3b0230d1d9bdc40873378858fb00e0c47d190d0.png

20:38 <dmilith> compiled files are there

20:39 <yorickpeterse> hm, seems it uses the former

20:39 <yorickpeterse> brixen: aaaah, I found it why I'm having segfaults with Rubinius::JIT.compile

20:39 <yorickpeterse> brixen: it seems to require that you call the method first before compiling it

20:40 <yorickpeterse> which I guess makes some sense, but it certainly shouldn't segfault

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20:49 <yorickpeterse> aha, the venerable null pointer

20:50 <mustmodify> somehow those vowels got mixed up in my head and I thought you wrote *vulnerable*

20:50 <yorickpeterse> nah, this is a strong and independent null pointer who need to safety checks

20:50 <yorickpeterse> * no

20:52 <brixen> yorickpeterse: do you have a patch for it?

20:52 <brixen> if not, I'll do that shortly

20:52 <yorickpeterse> brixen: Not yet, I'm trying to figure out where to patch it

20:52 <brixen> compiling without running needs to be supported of course

20:52 <yorickpeterse> That is, trying to find out where the null originates from

20:53 <brixen> ok

20:53 <yorickpeterse> in this case a rubinius::MachineCode object seems to be set to NULL

20:53 <yorickpeterse> so it craps out when trying to access a field from it

20:53 <brixen> it's not internalized yet

20:53 <brixen> you can do that manually

20:54 <yorickpeterse> eh?

20:54 <mustmodify> I think we should write a bot that monitors all irc channels, yelling at anyone who curses.

20:54 <mustmodify> not sure why. Just seems like a fun way to spend one's time.

20:58 <yorickpeterse> brixen: ok I think I found the source, but what do you mean with "internalized"?

20:59 <yorickpeterse> brixen: oh hm, I found an "internalize" method, yet that still seems to return NULL

21:01 <yorickpeterse> ok, so ye olde if does the trick but now it obviously doesn't JIT the method

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21:03 <yorickpeterse> aaah, wait a minute

21:06 <yorickpeterse> guess I had to dig into the JIT sooner or later

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21:15 <yorickpeterse> brixen: ok so sorry for the noise, but am I right into thinking that the JIT should _always_ make sure CompiledCode::internalize() is invoked _before_ trying to JIT a method?

21:16 <yorickpeterse> If so, this requires a CallFrame which isn't present anywhere in the chain of the JIT compilation process. I believe I can yank the current call frame out of STATE, but is that kosher?

21:35 <yorickpeterse> oh hey, I think I did it

21:35 <yorickpeterse> hihi

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21:43 <GitHub41> [rubinius] YorickPeterse created jit-method-without-calling (+2 new commits): http://git.io/kuxQNw

21:43 <GitHub41> rubinius/jit-method-without-calling bdea72d Yorick Peterse: Specs for JIT'ing methods without calling them.

21:43 <GitHub41> rubinius/jit-method-without-calling 1dde733 Yorick Peterse: Always internalize methods before JIT'ing them....

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21:44 <yorickpeterse> brixen: ^ feedback on that would be nice, since I wouldn't be surprised if there's a better way at getting the call frame

21:49 <yorickpeterse> bbl

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22:02 <cremes> where the fuck did /usr/include go in OSX 10.10?

22:03 <yorickpeterse> oh derp

22:03 <yorickpeterse> it's probably better to put this in LLVMState::compile

22:03 <yorickpeterse> since that already has a call frame

22:03 <dmilith> brixen: https://github.com/VerKnowSys/sofin - almost documentation in readme.. Let me know if you find any problems playing with it.

22:03 <dmilith> i just updated readme

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22:07 <GitHub192> [rubinius] YorickPeterse force-pushed jit-method-without-calling from 1dde733 to 2cfcc49: http://git.io/vLw8vQ

22:07 <GitHub192> rubinius/jit-method-without-calling 2cfcc49 Yorick Peterse: Always internalize methods before JIT'ing them....

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22:20 <chrchr> Hi! I would like to compile Rubinius and I am failing to do so. On a mac with homebrew.

22:20 <chrchr> I would like some assistance!

22:20 <yorickpeterse> chrchr: failing as in?

22:21 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Here's the gist https://gist.github.com/chrchr/642e08c9d8336ffdb98d

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22:22 <GitHub50> [rubinius] YorickPeterse force-pushed jit-method-without-calling from 2cfcc49 to d198fb3: http://git.io/vLw8vQ

22:22 <GitHub50> rubinius/jit-method-without-calling 94cd3ba Yorick Peterse: JIT specs for methods without first calling them.

22:22 <GitHub50> rubinius/jit-method-without-calling d198fb3 Yorick Peterse: Always internalize methods before JIT'ing them....

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22:22 <yorickpeterse> did you run bundle install first?

22:22 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Yes.

22:22 <yorickpeterse> What Ruby version are you using to build rbx?

22:22 <yorickpeterse> oh

22:22 <yorickpeterse> 2.0

22:22 <yorickpeterse> hm

22:23 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Yep.

22:23 <jc00ke_> chrchr: what does `which llvm-config` report?

22:23 <chrchr> jc00ke_ llvm-config not found

22:23 <yorickpeterse> heh

22:23 <jc00ke_> bingo

22:23 <yorickpeterse> chrchr: `brew install llvm`

22:23 <jc00ke_> yep

22:23 <chrchr> yorickpeterse It doesn't mention this in the README I don't think?

22:23 <yorickpeterse> I believe we now handle brew specifically in master, so another configure should do it

22:24 <yorickpeterse> chrchr: LLVM is a mentioned requirement

22:24 <yorickpeterse> http://rubini.us/doc/en/getting-started/requirements/

22:24 <yorickpeterse> errr

22:24 <yorickpeterse> http://rubini.us/doc/en/getting-started/building/

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22:24 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Ah ok I foolishly assumed the README would tell me what I needed to know.

22:25 <yorickpeterse> No, but I'll add it

22:25 <yorickpeterse> meh I don't like our README format

22:25 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Also (sorry to complain) that error message is bad.

22:25 <yorickpeterse> something something markdown

22:26 <yorickpeterse> chrchr: can you try using MRI 2.1?

22:26 <yorickpeterse> I doubt 2.0 is the problem, but it's worth a try

22:27 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Same error message.

22:27 <chrchr> yorickpeterse Also brew install llvm doesn't get you llvm-config. Still lookin' for that.

22:27 <jc00ke> chrchr: it does, just not in the correct spot (or do we detect that now on OSX?0

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22:27 <GitHub145> [rubinius] YorickPeterse pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EkGhHg

22:27 <GitHub145> rubinius/master c64bb0a Yorick Peterse: Added README note on LLVM.

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22:28 <yorickpeterse> jc00ke: yeah brixen added some stuff for that

22:28 <jc00ke> Add `--llvm-config /path/to/llvm-config`

22:28 <yorickpeterse> at least I think

22:28 <chrchr> jc00ke Yeah it ain't where configure wants it, nor is it in the path.

22:28 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/commit/a360a9e65b1004e1fa3eba681f9921693b6f190d

22:28 <brixen> chrchr: how did you install llvm?

22:28 <jc00ke> chrchr: yeah, try adding that --llvm-config option to ./configure

22:29 <chrchr> jc00ke Yep. It appears to be working now.

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22:30 <chrchr> Thanks for the help. What an exciting adventure this is.

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22:30 <brixen> chrchr: did you see my Q?

22:31 <chrchr> brixen 'brew install llvm'

22:31 <brixen> where did it put llvm-config?

22:31 <brixen> the configure script should find it if brew info llvm has it

22:31 <brixen> or brew list llvm rather

22:32 <chrchr> brixen Um. --llvm-config=/usr/local/Cellar/llvm/3.5.0_2/bin/llvm-config

22:32 <chrchr> brixen Looks like brew doesn't link it into /usr/local/bin like it oughta.

22:32 <brixen> chrchr: so what does this give: brew list llvm | grep '/llvm-config$'

22:33 <brixen> llvm is keg only because it conflicts with apple's llvm

22:33 <brixen> but that command should find it

22:33 <chrchr> brixen It deosn't.

22:33 <brixen> could you gist your terminal running that command

22:33 <brixen> so I can see what it gives

22:34 <jc00ke> chrchr: can you gist running `brew list llvm` too?

22:34 * brixen cannot read your mind or view your terminal psyhoremotely

22:34 <jc00ke> So we can split up the commands to help debug

22:34 <brixen> what that's that called, vision at a distance

22:34 <chrchr> jc00ke Yeah just a moment.

22:35 <chrchr> jc00ke https://gist.github.com/chrchr/7cb7108fa833c6a7918a

22:35 <jc00ke> brixen: is this vision at a distance also spooky? ;)

22:35 <brixen> chrchr: could you run the command I gave you?

22:35 <chrchr> brixen Yeah. Sorry. Just a sec.

22:36 <chrchr> brixen [rc:~] % brew list llvm | grep '/llvm-config$'

22:36 <chrchr> brixen Wait.

22:36 <chrchr> brixen There https://gist.github.com/chrchr/9ca5474d0cdc35efbd49

22:36 <brixen> so why wouldn't this work

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22:37 <chrchr> brixen I don't know.

22:37 <brixen> chrchr: could you gist your terminal running just ./configure

22:39 <chrchr> "Successfully installed Rubinius 2.4.1.n16"

22:39 <brixen> chrchr: I need to see the result of your running configure

22:39 <chrchr> brixen Yes. Just a moment.

22:39 <brixen> and I need your configure.log file

22:40 <chrchr> brixen Now it's saying "Could not find daedalus-core-0.2.0 in any of the sources"

22:41 <chrchr> brixen And that's a new error

22:41 <brixen> you're using a different ruby than the one you were using before

22:42 <chrchr> Yeah. It's now using rubinius. Not sure how that happened.

22:42 <brixen> probably because you installed it in a location on PATH

22:42 <chrchr> brixen Nope 'which ruby' is /Users/rc/.rbenv/shims/ruby

22:43 <chrchr> brixen But back to that other thing.

22:43 <brixen> ugh rbenv

22:43 <brixen> rbenv will completely lie to you

22:43 <brixen> run rehash or whatever you need to do

22:44 <brixen> chrchr: why are you not installing rbx with rbenv?

22:44 <chrchr> brixen (a) that never worked for me either. I posted a github issue on it. (b) I just wanted to try building it from source for fun.

22:44 <brixen> they've fixed rbenv recently

22:44 <chrchr> brixen Okay.

22:44 <brixen> I watched someone install 2.4.1

22:45 <chrchr> brixen Well, I have 2.4.1 now and it looks like it works but rbenv is doing something very weird.

22:45 <chrchr> brixen Which prevents me from replicating the build problems I had earlier.

22:45 <chrchr> brixen But I am working on it!

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22:46 <travis-ci> rubinius/rubinius/master (c64bb0a - Yorick Peterse): http://travis-ci.org/rubinius/rubinius/builds/47305004: The build passed.

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22:49 <brixen> chrchr: ok, well, I gotta run.

22:50 <chrchr> brixen Okay. Thanks for the help.

22:55 <chrchr> Anybody have brixen's email, in case he's still interested in my configure output?

22:56 <chrchr> Found him on github.

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23:01 <jc00ke> chrchr: you can also gist it and create an issue (might be better so we can all contribute)

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