03:59 <kyak> один раз - не пидарас, простите за мой английский :)

04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> err

04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> how about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlTV3T-JNAk

04:15 <DocScrutinizer05> or at least a rpc600 0HR610

04:15 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mWHRakh5Hw

04:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, this took the guy at last 3h http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTAU647jzzk

04:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess working hours are cheap and laptops expensive where he lives

05:00 <DocScrutinizer05> solder balls in a can, awesome

05:01 <DocScrutinizer05> filling a 724 or more into tiny stencil holes however is a game I don't wanna play

07:26 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: (3h) I would certainly repair a laptop for 3h rather than buying another one (cheaper) or sending it to service center (at least 14 days in an official one even if you pay)

07:27 <whitequark> although the optimal option is probably go to a flea market and find a guy who does that for a living, and pay him something like $30-$60

07:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, here you can't find guys who can do proper reballing on a fleamarket. And anybody who can do will charge you 50 bucks / h at least

07:32 <DocScrutinizer05> EUR, not $

07:33 <whitequark> here there's dozens of them at even just one market

07:33 <whitequark> cellphones, laptops, everything

07:33 <DocScrutinizer05> wow

07:33 <whitequark> though I wouldn't count on *all* of them being able to properly reball, but I know for sure that you can ask and it'll be done

07:33 <whitequark> so at least some do

13:14 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: (scope) depending on what price level you're looking at, you may want to have a closer look at rigol DS1000Z or and siglent SDS2000. the 1000Z should still be "hackable" by entering a code that unlocks advanced features. so you can get a basic model but use it like a better one.

13:18 <wpwrak> the siglent is very new and has appealing specs. the company has been around for a while and seems to do good work. sds2000 is similar to rigol's DS2000A, but specs are a bit better, the price of comparable units is considerably lower, there are 4 channel versions in the line (rigol's ds2000 only have 2), and the siglent also has optional 8 digital channels

13:19 <wpwrak> the rigol DS2000 series can also be "hacked", which would offset the specs and price difference, but they fixed that in the DS2000A, which is current now

13:22 <wpwrak> but it all depends on how many channels and what bandwidth you want

16:50 <rjeffries> Not a bad board, once it is real. Fair degree of open-ness, it seems: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board

17:48 <rjeffries> ??

17:52 <larsc> if I ever need a million or two I think I'll create one of these kickstarter projects ;)

18:12 <rjeffries> larsc: ok, but on the merits, udoo is a fairly nice and reasonably open machine. It is a dufferent approach than Ben Nanonote, obviously.

18:43 <hozer> hrrm

18:45 <hozer> but will the schematics and PCB layout of the Udoo be editable?

18:46 <hozer> anyone know much about the imx6 GPU if it's got full specs?

20:07 <roh> imx6 is sane for foss (mostly)

20:07 <roh> good soc support in mainline afaik

20:08 <roh> freescale is usually also one of the 'good guys' when it comes to nda or not and datasheets

20:10 <larsc> the bunny laptop uses the same SoC, iirc

20:12 <roh> jup

20:12 <roh> so we'll get nice drivers too... there was some guy who got hired to do the gpu stuff afaik

20:37 <rjeffries> I honestly do not remember, were Ben Nanonote schematics editable? As to PCB layout, there was an earlt effort to revise it, but due to a personality clash (as I recall) that did not go anwhere. In any case, Ben Nanonote was a delightful project, it failed to attract critical mass, and teh main guy on busines side moved on.

21:00 <ysionneau> ah, at last a really useful kickstarter project https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad