<qwebirc48371>
is rjeffries on a computer with no smuxi client
<Fusin>
hi rjeff on computer with no chat-client
<Fusin>
what good is a computer without chat???? 8)
<Fusin>
wow @ Raspberry
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: this deivce has been mentioned about a dozen times here already, besides making pretty much all the major and minor news outlets ;-)
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: yes it's cute. take a ben, put in ubb-vga, wrap some duct tape around it so that you don't see that it has screen and keyboard, and voila, you have pretty much the same :)
<Fusin>
right, but the ben version is 4 times more money
<wpwrak>
Fusin: maybe you can get some rejects with broken display a little cheaper ;-)
<wpwrak>
Fusin: also, are they mass-producing that USD 25 device already and this is the final cost for the customer ? or could this maybe just be the BOM cost ?
<Fusin>
yep. also, if they add display, keyboard, battery, it will cost more than 25 bucks
<Fusin>
time ti food yet, i'll be back (with stomac filled)
<roh>
i think its vaporvare.
<qwebirc48371>
wpwrak cute reply, but off base. How would one add a camera module to Ben? Whatever. ;)
<roh>
my guess is: for 25$ they could get all parts bom besides what they get sponsored(no money), it includes no pcb (or a sponsored one) and no manufacturing(soldering) no case)
<qwebirc48371>
geeze I am not suggesting an alternative to Ben. but you know that.I specifically asked if this could be an accessory
<qwebirc48371>
I do not think the $25 is selling price. I think it could be done for $50
<qwebirc48371>
assuming very very thin margins
<roh>
qwebirc48371: well.. maybe. in obscene numbers. and no earnings.
<roh>
currently my estimation is that the pcb and cpu alone cost >20$
<qwebirc48371>
the goal is not profit they guy wants to provide computing to kids who have no nothinh
<roh>
qwebirc48371: sure. nice idea. that stuff will not help em.
<roh>
see olpc. much more realistic.
<qwebirc48371>
you are high on the cpu roh one can get a nice ARM for ~$5 or les
<roh>
qwebirc48371: arm is a scalar from 40cent to 12$.
<roh>
thats not it. the one they use there is quite fast and expensive. also not the issue
<qwebirc48371>
guys, get a grip. this is not trying to be OLPC (a cool project, yes)
<roh>
qwebirc48371: what i dont get is: why does this guy not cooperate with olpc or so? to me it looks more like a pr-stunt as anything really altrusistic. i am not convinced of the 'helping kids' intention in that case.
<roh>
qwebirc48371: oem-ing some ready made hw would also be much cheaper. stuff wit that specs exists already.
<roh>
problem stays the same: which poor people do you know which have a hdmi-port on a tv but no money for a computer?
<qwebirc48371>
OLPC is a very nice system. But let's say someone can make a very stripped down minimal system that hooks up to a HDMI TV (most TVs have that interface these days) and use a $3 full size keyboard to learn programming e.g. Lua, Basic, Forth... it's a cool ideea. he will eiether fail, or maybe he makes it happen. good on him
<roh>
qwebirc48371: most tvs: bs.
<roh>
most tvs on this planet are CRT. also in developing nations.
<roh>
s/also/especially
<roh>
an none of these has hdmi.
<roh>
from my pov the assumtion that people have hdmi ports (especially poor ones) is incredibly arrogant.
<jlamothe>
qwebirc48371: Isn't that the idea behind the raspberry pi?
<qwebirc48371>
it did cross my mind that wolfspraul & Co. could offer this organization a Ben in large quantity for maybe $50 and THAT could chnage the world. ;)
<jlamothe>
(perhaps what you were talking about... I haven't been paying attention to this channel)Â Â ;)
<qwebirc48371>
roh you are out of date about TVs this guy is targeting UK. you can not buy a flat screen that does not have HDMI. ;)
<roh>
qwebirc48371: i think nobel intentions are good. but first and most of all, the third world doesnt need more of our electric garbage. and no low-end computing.
<roh>
qwebirc48371: and why doesnt he organize hw-recycling courses then?
<roh>
you can get hw with that specs easily for free.
<roh>
in container-volumes.
<qwebirc48371>
roh would you like him to use Ben's ? just askin'Â Â ;)
<roh>
qwebirc48371: if it would be ok for his ideas, sure. mostly i think a monitor and a keyboard with it are fine.
<roh>
on the other hand... second hand N900 are coming down from 200 to 100E value now also ;)
<roh>
but i am not sure. is it really a problem getting your hands onto a computer in the uk?
<roh>
uh. need to run. sorry. bbl
<DocScrutinizer>
roh: (hdmi) exactly my point as of a few days ago
<lunavorax_mini>
What ?
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: it says that it also has composite video. at least they got that right ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
I found myself loving the noob desert
<wpwrak>
cute :)
<wpwrak>
but shouldn't this be "the _forbidding_ land of gentoo" ? :)
<DocScrutinizer>
:-D
<wpwrak>
interesting. to play a quicktime video in decent quality, i must not use avformat, libdv, or vorbis (which both somehow know how to decode it), but ppm.melt (mlt) is strange ...
<wpwrak>
hmm ... http://frei0r.dyne.org/gallery  "Frei0r plugin gallery". when you click on the name of one of those visual effects, it gives you the source code. quite the hardcore "gallery" :)
<kristianpaul>
stay at the debian republic for now
<Jay7>
is in Archland near The Great Compile and Chackra Bay :)
<Fusin>
wtf?
<lunavorax_mini>
KDE Sea, the swimming pool for dummies
<lunavorax_mini>
stop trolling
<lunavorax_mini>
wpwrak, what were you talking about that has composite video ?
<Fusin>
loves his Mint-Laptop ;)
<Fusin>
?
<wpwrak>
lunavorax_mini: that "$25 pc"
<lunavorax_mini>
wpwrak, oh ok, the specs changed then ?
<wpwrak>
lunavorax_mini: no, i think people just keep on overlooking that it also has composite video
<lunavorax_mini>
wpwrak, Ok I see that
<lunavorax_mini>
wpwrak, this HDMI output seriously is pathetic
<lunavorax_mini>
wpwrak, I may be too old-school anyway. Probably bad for a 20yrs old haha
<lunavorax_mini>
I always though that in order to really learn "computing" (understand programming) you had to use a slow machine, because it was making you understand why you have to write good and efficient code.
<lunavorax_mini>
So even 700mhz cpu may be a little too high ;P
<kristianpaul>
Hey, anyone had tried musl? seems smaller that uclib
<unclouded>
Hi, can someone please help me building OpenWRT? Specifically alsa-lib doesn't build.  it says "error: 'versionsort' undeclared".  This page: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.uclibc.buildroot/29842 says it's because versionsort is not available in uClibc-0.9.30
<kristianpaul>
had you asked at #openwrt?
<unclouded>
nope. will do, thx
<xMff>
unclouded: known issue
<kristianpaul>
dunno is this is also present in openwrt from qi repo..