11:16 <aw-> hi all

11:17 <Regenaxer> Hi aw-

11:18 <aw-> the wording for (for) is so confusing

11:18 <aw-> as well as the wording for (loop)

11:18 <aw-> ex: in (loop): "if the result is NIL or non-NIL, respectively"

11:18 <aw-> respectively to what? i don't understand

11:19 <Regenaxer> oops

11:19 <Regenaxer> hihi, yes

11:20 <aw-> Regenaxer: in (loop): "the clause's second element is evaluated as a condition"

11:20 <Regenaxer> "has NIL or T"

11:20 <aw-> is that 'any ?

11:20 <aw-> "'any is evaluated as a condition" ?

11:20 <Regenaxer> this is where "respectively" refers to

11:21 <Regenaxer> yes, (NIL 'any . prg)

11:21 <aw-> ahhh

11:21 <Regenaxer> very terse indeed

11:23 <aw-> I tried to rephrase so it makes more sense, but it's a bit long: Endless loop with multiple conditional exits: The body is executed an unlimited number of times. If a clause has NIL as its CAR, 'any is evaluated as a condition, and if the result is NIL, 'prg is executed and the result returned. If a clause has T as its CAR, 'any is evaluated as a condition, and if the result is non-NIL, 'prg is executed and the result returned.

11:24 <Regenaxer> yeah, contains the same info

11:24 <Regenaxer> But then we would need to rewrite many such places

11:25 <aw-> hmmm yeah

11:25 <aw-> anyways I have another question

11:25 <Regenaxer> ok

11:25 <aw-> i'm trying to loop infinitely, but return the result only when the result is non-NIL

11:26 <Regenaxer> return from an infinite loop?

11:26 <Regenaxer> a contradiction? ;)

11:26 <aw-> well

11:26 <aw-> "infinite"

11:26 <Regenaxer> indefinite ;)

11:26 <aw-> as long as the result is NIL, it should loop

11:26 <Regenaxer> So 'until' is the best

11:27 <aw-> i tried that but it doesn't work

11:27 <Regenaxer> '@' has the result then

11:27 <aw-> (until (prg) @)

11:27 <Regenaxer> (until (foo) ...) @

11:27 <Regenaxer> or (loop ... (T (foo) @) ...)

11:27 <aw-> oh the @ is outside of (until) !

11:28 <Regenaxer> yes

11:28 <Regenaxer> The '@' rules

11:28 <Regenaxer> '@' is set only for non-NIL results

11:28 <aw-> ahhhh I was using it in (until) but it would never execute

11:28 <Regenaxer> very convenient!

11:28 <Regenaxer> yeah

11:29 <aw-> awesome! thanks

11:29 <aw-> i was close ;)

11:29 <Regenaxer> As long as (foo) retursn NIL in (until (foo), '@' is not set

11:29 <Regenaxer> When it is set, until exits

11:30 <Regenaxer> So that explains your observation

11:30 <aw-> right

11:30 <aw-> thank you!

11:30 <Regenaxer> :)

11:30 <aw-> i'm working on something now, but i'm hoping next month I can have time to work on the picolisp docs

11:31 <Regenaxer> great!

11:31 <Regenaxer> I book would be nice

11:31 <Regenaxer> with more explanations

11:31 <Regenaxer> the ref is terse, but that's ok I think

11:31 <aw-> isn't there a book already?

11:32 <Regenaxer> not really

11:32 <Regenaxer> only collections of examples

11:33 <Regenaxer> The tutorial is too little, and perhaps also outdated

11:33 <Regenaxer> s/little/short

11:34 <aw-> i think it's quite useful

11:34 <aw-> i often use it for reference

11:34 <Regenaxer> ok, haven't looked at if for decades perhaps :)

11:34 <aw-> actually, one thing would be useful is the full collection of picolisp rosetta code solutions. I don't know if those exist in a single location

11:35 <aw-> I know about this: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:PicoLisp

11:35 <aw-> but every link shows all the other language solutions

11:35 <Regenaxer> yes, this is one of the books compiled by Thorsten

11:35 <Regenaxer> there is a pointer in the wiki iirc

11:35 <aw-> oh really?

11:36 <Regenaxer> he made two books

11:36 <Regenaxer> but they are now outdated too I suppose

11:37 <Regenaxer> Meanwhile tankfeeder made so many more solutions ...!

11:37 <Regenaxer> t4nkf33der to be exact ;)

11:37 <aw-> right

11:37 <aw-> hopefully next month i can jump into the docs some more

11:38 <Regenaxer> ok, very good

11:38 <Regenaxer> Finished some project?

11:38 <aw-> once i finish

11:49 <aw-> lots of pil code being written :D

11:49 <Regenaxer> true

13:57 <aw-> ok i'm off

13:57 <aw-> good night

13:58 <Regenaxer> good night aw-