08:34 <beneroth> hi all

08:34 <aw-> hi bene

08:34 <beneroth> hi aw- :)

08:34 <aw-> are you using Android ?

08:35 <beneroth> using yes. not developing much on it yet.

08:35 <aw-> yes that's what i meant

08:35 <aw-> i'm trying to use the Calendar app but it requires an account.. not sure why

08:35 <aw-> do you have a suggestion? alternative

08:36 <beneroth> good question!

08:36 <aw-> it's so ridiculous

08:36 <beneroth> no I don't have a suggestion, sorry :( I use the calendar on my very outdated android phone, but I think it doesn't need a account there.

08:36 <beneroth> yeah

08:36 <mtsd> Good morning everyone

08:37 <aw-> maybe i'll search on f-droid

08:37 <beneroth> either find an alternative (and tell me, would like to install it then for my gf too) or create a fake account. though a fake account used for everything is the same as yours ;)

08:37 <beneroth> Good morning mtsd

08:37 <beneroth> yeah its a shame that our devices are not ours

08:37 <aw-> beneroth: haha yeah, well i dont need my calendar to be sync'd to some unknown cloud servers. It needs to be 100% offline

08:37 <aw-> mtsd: hi

08:38 <beneroth> aw-, if you don't find any suitable alternative, lets make a pilBox App xD

08:38 <aw-> in this case maybe i'll just stick to my paper notepad & pen

08:38 <beneroth> ok. let me know if you found a good solution

08:38 <aw-> beneroth: ahaha ok you do it and i'll beta test ;)

08:39 <beneroth> haha ok. no ETA given xD

08:39 <beneroth> until you get it, you will be used so much to your notepad & pen that you don't want to switch ^^

08:40 <aw-> oh trust me, i have a notepad & pen already

08:40 <aw-> many actually

08:40 <aw-> i use them all the time

08:42 <mtsd> I second using notepad and pen :)

08:42 <mtsd> Favourite tools of mine

08:42 <aw-> mtsd: yes, software has failed us once again ;)

08:45 <aw-> actually i'm a huge paper otaku.. my notebooks are all from "L!FE" brand, 100 sheets A5 format, Made In Japan.. i think they're ~$15 per notebook, a lot cheaper than Moleskin and i just swap out the leather cover. Unlike Moleskin you just pay for a new leather cover each time you get a new notebook - bad for environment

08:47 <mtsd> "L!fe", I did not know about them. I have to look into that brand

08:48 <aw-> http://life-st.jp/conts/noblenote02/

08:48 <mtsd> Thank you :)

08:48 <mtsd> Yes, software has failed us once again ;)

08:50 <mtsd> Notebooks to the resque. No batteries running out, no sending what you write to god knows where, haha

08:50 <mtsd> No accounts

08:50 <mtsd> Yes. I am an old geezer :)

08:51 <aw-> mtsd: same here, totally agree

08:52 <aw-> also no risk of "data loss".. unless you lose the notebook.. but how easy is that?

08:53 <aw-> and you know.. finding things in a paper notebook is easier than any search tool i've ever used

08:54 <mtsd> True. A notebook carries a sort of history, a timeline, of your thoughts as well

08:54 <mtsd> Interesting to revisit old notes

08:54 <aw-> yes, i use colour pens and sticky tabs too to organize

08:55 <aw-> not as convenient as an "app", but it's so much better

09:10 <clacke[m]> :-D

10:52 <cess11> A 'class with a '+Date field and some logic is a good enough calendar for the most part to me. Did time measuring at work that way last year, wrote objects with a few fields and summed up the data to get minimal reports on hours spent on different projects.

10:56 <tankf33der> who knows how get Unix time ?

10:56 <tankf33der> in seconds from 1 jan 1970

10:59 <Regenaxer> Perhaps by calling the Unix 'date' command

11:00 <Regenaxer> date +%....

11:00 <tankf33der> ok

11:00 <Regenaxer> or just make it yourself

11:01 <mtsd> date +%s ?

11:01 <mtsd> Checking..

11:01 <tankf33der> date +%s

11:01 <Regenaxer> (- (+ (* 86400 (date)) (time T)) (86400 (date 1970 1 1)))

11:01 <Regenaxer> not tested

11:03 <Regenaxer> Missing '+' (- (+ (* 86400 (date)) (time T)) (+ 86400 (date 1970 1 1)))

11:03 <Regenaxer> -> 63680357499

11:03 <Regenaxer> Possibly correct?

11:03 <tankf33der> nope

11:03 <tankf33der> 1519038212

11:03 <beneroth> leap seconds etc?

11:03 <beneroth> uh big deviation

11:03 <Regenaxer> right

11:04 <Regenaxer> hmm, what's wrong then?

11:04 <Regenaxer> (except leap seconds - are they in Unix date?)

11:05 <tankf33der> golang - 1519048838

11:05 <Regenaxer> ah

11:05 <Regenaxer> must be * of course

11:05 <tankf33der> date +%s - 1519038308

11:05 <Regenaxer> : (- (+ (* 86400 (date)) (time T)) (* 86400 (date 1970 1 1)))

11:05 <Regenaxer> -> 1519041939

11:05 <tankf33der> ok now

11:06 <Regenaxer> So no leap seconds?

11:06 <Regenaxer> or golang is wrong too

11:07 <Regenaxer> Well, it depends on which exact moment we executed this :)

11:08 <Regenaxer> How many leap seconds where there since 1970?

11:09 <tankf33der> on golang server wrong time itself :)

11:09 <tankf33der> classics.

11:09 <tankf33der> damn

11:09 <Regenaxer> tricky

11:09 <Regenaxer> In any case, the above expression is faster than calling date +%s

11:11 <Regenaxer> Results are the same:

11:11 <Regenaxer> : (list (- (+ (* 86400 (date)) (time T)) (* 86400 (date 1970 1 1))) (in '(date "+%s") (read)))

11:11 <Regenaxer> -> (1519042275 1519038675)

11:11 <Regenaxer> oops

11:11 <Regenaxer> hehe, stupid me!

11:12 <Regenaxer> So what is wrong?

11:12 <Regenaxer> It is always exactly 1 hour different

11:13 <Regenaxer> Probably not leap seconds then

11:13 <Regenaxer> UTC?

11:14 <Regenaxer> yes:

11:14 <Regenaxer> : (list (- (+ (* 86400 (date T)) (time T)) (* 86400 (date 1970 1 1))) (in '(date "+%s") (read)))

11:14 <Regenaxer> -> (1519038846 1519038846)

11:14 <Regenaxer> So date +%s gives UTC?

11:15 <tankf33der> yeap

11:15 <tankf33der> %s seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC

11:16 <Regenaxer> ok

11:20 <beneroth> so no leap seconds in unix date?

11:20 <Regenaxer> Seems so

11:21 <Regenaxer> Hmm, leap seconds are not counted, right? They will never show up?

11:23 <beneroth> there must be somewhere, no? weird.

11:23 <beneroth> bbl

11:23 <Regenaxer> No, they are inserted in real time

11:24 <Regenaxer> as opposed to 29th of Feb

11:24 <Regenaxer> leap secons just correct the clocks as I understand them

11:24 <Regenaxer> s/correct/adjust

11:26 <Regenaxer> Leap *years* are also not "counted". They are just a little longer

12:43 <tankf33der> https://cr.yp.to/libtai/tai64.html#tai64n

12:43 <tankf33der> seconds i have

12:43 <tankf33der> now nanoseconds

12:44 <tankf33der> https://pastebin.com/9WVs4Cbc

12:44 <tankf33der> this variations of golang and python version

12:45 <Regenaxer> Pil does not support nanoseconds, only microseconds with (usec)

12:47 <Regenaxer> Internally I always multiply by 1000

12:48 <tankf33der> (list (- (+ (* 86400 (date T)) (time T)) (* 86400 (date 1970 1 1))) (* 1000 (usec T)))

12:48 <tankf33der> and convert both numbers to bigendian

12:48 <tankf33der> 8+4 = 12 bytes list