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ravelo >
I'm interested to work on Neo900 OS
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ravelo >
anyone else here would like to do this?
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freemangordon >
ravelo: define "Neo900 OS" please, as the project is about HW, not SW
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ravelo >
OS for Neo900
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ravelo >
Meego, Linux, maybe Android
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ravelo >
I just wanted to start a discussion
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ravelo >
as it's quite silent
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bleb >
Noooo android
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bleb >
I would also be interested to hear about any efforts to build software for Neo900. Aren't they aiming to make it fremantle compatible?
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bleb >
or have they really not thought about software at all
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ravelo >
Neo900 UG will not develop software
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ravelo >
so it must be a community work
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Joerg-Neo900 >
Neo900 will be fremantle compatible
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Joerg-Neo900 >
100%
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Joerg-Neo900 >
well, 99.95%
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Joerg-Neo900 >
the remaining 0.05% are supposed to get fixed with patch jobs run on top of a regular fremantle system image
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ravelo >
according to jonwil in the mentioned thread: The 2 biggest missing pieces of the Neo900 software stack from a Maemo point of view are A.The pulseaudio blobs (pulseaudio-modules-nokia-*) which need to be reverse engineered and cloned (...) and B.A replacement for the cellular services daemon that talks the same dbus interfaces as the stock cellular services daemon
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ravelo >
Joerg-Neo900, so you think this will be done for sure in final Neo900?
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ravelo >
how much work is involved?
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Joerg-Neo900 >
this isn't correct since for A. PA we have 100% compatible audio hardware. For B. modem it is correct
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ravelo >
so only cellular services daemon is needed
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Joerg-Neo900 >
for modem my suggestion been to start with a SIP<->cellmo adapter that makes mode, look like a SIP account in fremantle's communication apps
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Joerg-Neo900 >
s/mode,/modem/
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Joerg-Neo900 >
SIP RTP <-> modem alsa card (PVM), SIP control protocol <-> AT commands to modem
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Joerg-Neo900 >
doesn't cover SMS
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Joerg-Neo900 >
in the long run, a proper rewrite of the closed CSD would be fine
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Joerg-Neo900 >
for A. PA most of the closed Nokia PA plugins already been RE'ed , though we
*could* 'steal' the closed blobs from original fremantle and simply run them in Neo900 fremantle
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ravelo >
Joerg-Neo900, how much work is this? can you guess?
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Joerg-Neo900 >
since 'we' (Neo900 UG) "don't ship any software" (except the assistant/BSP), we can't steal any blobs form fremantle, user needs to do that by downloading the fremantle image and extracting them
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Joerg-Neo900 >
no, I can't tell "how much work2 this is, I just can point out where unsolved issues are pending: None, basically
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Joerg-Neo900 >
it basically is exactly same work like making a debian or whatever run on an arbitrary platform like beagleboard or whatever
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Joerg-Neo900 >
it's all there, you just need to
*do it*
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Joerg-Neo900 >
one concern is PVD driver, which is basically freely available in the form of blobs from TI
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Joerg-Neo900 >
the PVR in Neo900 is the one of N9 rather than the one of N900
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Joerg-Neo900 >
so in my book it must be possible to 'steal' the N9 PVR driver
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Joerg-Neo900 >
if you don't want to go though the pain to build your own driver from the stuff TI provides
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Joerg-Neo900 >
through*
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Joerg-Neo900 >
a few drivers for new peripherals like the CRTouch multitouch controller etc might need backporting to fremantle ancient kernel
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ravelo >
it looks for me as if this will be resolved quickly
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Joerg-Neo900 >
no big thing for any medium savvy kernel developer
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ravelo >
thanks for clearing this up for me
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Joerg-Neo900 >
yw :-.)
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Joerg-Neo900 >
the purpose of Neo900
*always* been to be fremantle compatible, so we can use
*all* existing apps and knowhow
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Joerg-Neo900 >
freemangordon often calims we need a new kernel for Neo900. I completely disagree. We would appreciate new kernel but we don't
*need* it to start with
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ravelo >
it's for sure faster to just use existing fremantle
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ravelo >
For me it sounds now that Fremantle could run on v2 also
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ravelo >
in short time
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Joerg-Neo900 >
that been the plan: start with existing fremantle, then do all the needed stuff (like "pulseaudio blobs RE" and whatnot) to turn it into a 100% FOSS OS, then upgrade it to recent kernel etc, then it's
*easy* to port
*that* to other non-N900-compatible devices
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Joerg-Neo900 >
yes, fremantle should run on prot_v2 as well
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ravelo >
great plan
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Joerg-Neo900 >
thought so :-)
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ravelo >
hehe, we will see
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Joerg-Neo900 >
right now with devuan freemangordon, parazyd and others are rather doing all of the above steps at once, to make something faintly similar to fremantle run on a platform not even faintly similar to N900
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ravelo >
gotta go, thanks for the talk :) cya
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Joerg-Neo900 >
let me put it this way: N810 had maemo4, N900 had maemo5, N9 had maemo6. What they do now for devuan fremantle is rather maemo8. Neo900 will work just fine with maemo5.0.1
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