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<Openbot> xchat is nuts
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<dos1> NSA and GCHQ breached into Gemalto for SIM card keys
<Sicelo> yeah :(
<Sicelo> things are happening really fast these days. and seems it is no longer about tracking 'big guys' only ... it is everyone
<mvaenskae> Sicelo: they want to see how well their surveillance algos scale onto larger datasets ;)
<wpwrak> rules of trust, #1: if a product contains anything that says "trusted", don't
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<mvaenskae> wpwrak: i can trust it to spy on me ;)
<drathir> dos1: yea have keys to decrypt communications...
<drathir> they*
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<Pali> why somebody (from NSA and other organisations) want to crash mobile phone communications and SIM cards??
<Pali> phone communication encryption is only between phone and BTS
<Pali> they just go to AT&T and their backdoor after BTS
<Pali> and no cracking is needed!
<dos1> they probably can't just go to any provider on the world
<ShadowJK> att is onky one out of hundreds of operators
<dos1> with keys, they don't have to
<ShadowJK> yeo
<ShadowJK> yep
<Pali> every provider must do what governers say
<dos1> but not what foreign ones say
<ShadowJK> nsa and gchq doesn't have influence on every government. And even when they do, it's slow
<Pali> and they must co-operate with justice and government
<dos1> "GCHQ successfully intercepted keys used by wireless network providers in Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, India, Serbia, Iceland and Tajikistan"
<dos1> "denoted as “priority targets” in the document" (+ Pakistan)
<Pali> anyway A5/1 cipher is already broken
<Pali> and others probably too
<ShadowJK> The dutch government seems like it wants to throw nsa and gchq in jail for breaking the law. I doubt ATT will cooperate in wiretapping nsa,though.
<dos1> Pali: sure, 2G security is basically useless
<drathir> rim is good but still need to be paid...
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